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Rmart30
November 17, 2008, 09:56 PM
Excluding wildcats if you were going to choose a caliber larger than 30-06 for large game animals in the lower 48 with shots 250+ yards the norm which would it be?

bobn
November 17, 2008, 10:02 PM
after playing the magnum game including 300 win, weatherby, 375 hnh, i believe i would put a premium scope on the 06 and spend more time at the range using premium ammo. bobn

Son of Seeker
November 17, 2008, 10:03 PM
ignore this post.

oneounceload
November 17, 2008, 10:05 PM
if you're truly wanting another gun of bigger caliber for lower 48, then look at the 338 family

Personally, I have complete confidence in my 7mm mag with 160 Noslers to capably handle anything in the lower 48 - JMO, YMMV

Glenner
November 17, 2008, 10:07 PM
The 300 Win Mag is SOOOO good!!!!!
You can push a 200 Grain Sierra Match King out to 1,000 yards easy. Making a big game kill at 300-400 yards with that caliber is no problem..........

j.chappell
November 17, 2008, 10:08 PM
I happen to love my 300 WIN MAG. You will get a lot of keep your 06 its all you need. It very well indead may work for what you want but if you are like me I'd rather have a 300 class rifle when I want to shoot heavy for caliber bullets.

The 300 Win MAG gets my vote. And if you want something even bigger then you have your 338 class rifles.

J.

300magman
November 17, 2008, 10:13 PM
In general I say 300 win mag, but you might also like 300 wsm, or 300RUM (lots of reach out and punch something there) .338s work to, be it the standard, the edge, lupa, or 338RUM. But for flatness the .300 has it and I think plenty of punch too.

kristop64089
November 17, 2008, 10:19 PM
300 win-mag

flyboy14
November 17, 2008, 10:23 PM
One of the 338 cartridges, my choice was a 338 win mag. Common caliber easy to load and lets you step up in bullet weights. Retains a lot of punch downrange, and has good b.c. Unless you want to go bigger, for now its a free country. flyboy

Sarge
November 17, 2008, 10:46 PM
.338 Winchester.

MeekAndMild
November 17, 2008, 10:59 PM
OK is .338 A Square a wildcat or not? Does it bend the OP rules or not? :confused:

Blackops_2
November 17, 2008, 11:01 PM
.338 Lapua :cool:

Swampghost
November 17, 2008, 11:03 PM
A ,300 Whtby Mag. is all that you need on this Continent and most of Africa. By far one of the most wicked cartridges ever.

Many will contest this and mine never made it to Africa. It was way too much for anything that I might do.

jpwilly
November 17, 2008, 11:13 PM
I'd go 338 or 300 Win Mag

El Paso Joe
November 17, 2008, 11:49 PM
I like the 358 win but it is a bit esoteric these days - scarce and hard to find ammo. Think about the 35 Whelen. 338 is good too - I have a couple and they shoot well enough. There is the 375 H&H. Had one once - the result of youth and testosterone poisoning. It hurt on both ends... Seriously though, take a look at the 338.

DIXIEDOG
November 17, 2008, 11:49 PM
30-06 light magnum loads:D

nimbleVagrant
November 17, 2008, 11:56 PM
I'll be different and suggest the .35 whelen. It's not technically a wildcat but it is on the decline.

crowbeaner
November 18, 2008, 12:08 AM
If I had to step up in caliber from the 30/06, I'd have to go with the 338 Win Mag or the 340 Weatherby. The Wby can be loaded down a bit to 338 specs, but the brass is quite expensive. I shot a Ruger that was rechambered from 338, and the rifle was unpleasant to shoot but man alive, what power. That 26" barrel made the most out of the massive powder charges, and I shot it without a sandbag or recoil reducing apparatus; it literally kicked me away from the bench. A muzzle brake would have cut the felt recoil, but without earmuffs and plugs, I don't think I'd like to shoot it much. For a real powerhouse that launches heavy bullets, look at the Remington 416 mag.

garyhan
November 18, 2008, 12:23 AM
Anything less than the .338 wm doesn't give enough increase in killing power to bother with, so .338 win would be my choice.

gary

Fremmer
November 18, 2008, 12:25 AM
Get a .35 Whelen. I've seen that round absolutely flatten a good-sized deer. A lotta wallop, and without the magnum bite on your end. :cool:

Dallas Jack
November 18, 2008, 01:57 AM
My choice would be the 300 RUM. If I just had to have something with more range. (I'm a fan of the 30/06 and all of its derivatives)

Dallas Jack

Omaha-BeenGlockin
November 18, 2008, 07:54 AM
Skip the .300's and step up in caliber----.338 or .375.

Magnum Wheel Man
November 18, 2008, 08:12 AM
I'd be one of the 1st to agree the '06 is plenty enough "medicine" for the lower 48... but what fun would that be if you couldn't buy something else ???

I personally never got into the "hotter than '06" 30's, but the 300 Win Mag is very credible... also the 35 Whelen is a good cartridge, but wouldn't be my 1st choice as a game getter at the ranges you indicated...

myself, I went to both a 338 Win Mag, & a 375 H&H... ( mine are both Browning Stainless Stalkers, with BOSS's, & the recoil is very manageable even from the bench with either )

the .338 is one wicked penitrating round... my old shooting range was only 200 yards long, & the 200 yard target holder was a large freezer ( 2.5 feet thick ) & stuffed solid with sheet rock... I say "used to be" because I found that while the freezer did a good job of stopping even the 375 H&H Federal Safari Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loads... the same ammo in the 338 caliber blew through 2.5' of sheetrock stuffed freezer every round from 200 yards:eek:

Creature
November 18, 2008, 09:27 AM
The .338 Lapua always makes for a clean kill at long distance! :)

Its no wonder the Lapua is gaining popularity in ever widening circles. For a very interesting read on the 338 Lapua: http://ericsettle.co.uk/SUPMAGS.htm

Slamfire
November 18, 2008, 09:39 AM
35 Whelen. With a 200 or 250 grain bullet it is adequate for anything in North America.

sundog
November 18, 2008, 09:56 AM
32 WSM, 8mm Mag, 338, or 35 Whelen. I kinda like the 35 Whelen.

sureshots
November 18, 2008, 10:59 AM
If its in North America and you can't get it done with A 30-06 Caliber than you need to just give it up. More is just not enough in this case. The 30-06 cal. is plenty unless you just want more recoil and noise.

Creature
November 18, 2008, 11:55 AM
If its in North America and you can't get it done with A 30-06 Caliber than you need to just give it up. More is just not enough in this case. The 30-06 cal. is plenty unless you just want more recoil and noise.

Personally, I would hedge my bet with something a bit larger than a 30-06 if I was going to be in brown or grizzly bear country. Many hunting outfits ask that if you can handle a larger caliber, they prefer that you bring it and leave the 30-06 at home. Big bears are pretty smart and nobody wants to be chasing a wounded and angry bear for any distance.

.300 Weatherby Mag
November 18, 2008, 01:04 PM
step up.... .300 or .340 weatherby mag.... Yogi does not get along with a .340 and .250 gr. noslers..

Water-Man
November 18, 2008, 03:39 PM
My next step up was a .300 Weatherby Mag and I've been happy ever since.

Sportdog
November 18, 2008, 03:44 PM
300 WinMag w/200gr Nosler Partition class bullets. You will be getting from 300-400 fps advantage over the 06 with the high BC heavy 30 caliber bullets, you can buy the ammo anywhere, and most important....that's what I did!:D

Rmart30
November 18, 2008, 05:19 PM
.338 Lapua

Thats actually the round that got me to thinking about this. :D

There was a shooting show on the other night and they were on a 1000 yard range with it and it got me to thinking.....

This last hunting club I joined is full of hogs and there is one spot across a holler where it would be a 350-400 yard shot minimum. possibly even 500 yards.

Im not sure if the 06 would have enough left after that distance to put one down reasonably.

Creature
November 18, 2008, 06:21 PM
Im not sure if the 06 would have enough left after that distance to put one down reasonably.

At that distance, no problem for the 30-06...

But when it copmes to real power, the lapua has a lot going for it. Did you read that link I put in my last comment talking about the Lapua? The US military is taking a good hard look at the Lapua for sniper work. The Brits and Aussies have had very good results with the Lapua...and the word spread pretty fast.

In case you missed the link the first time: http://ericsettle.co.uk/SUPMAGS.htm

The Lapua is a beast that is delivered in a very convenient package.

kristop64089
November 18, 2008, 06:30 PM
Talk about hind-sight...

I have ALWAYS wanted a 300 winmag, ever since I can remember, so I just bought one...Now I'm reading all about this Lapua(I don't hang out in the rifles forum much), and I'm thinking I may have screwed the pooch.

In all reality, I know I haven't, but I have a serious case of "little man's disease" right now.:mad:

Rmart30
November 18, 2008, 08:43 PM
At that distance, no problem for the 30-06...

For a deer im with ya but boars are awful tough and on most of that land if its a bad shot and doesnt put them down quickly they end up almost impossible to get out of the woods because of the terrain they run too.



But when it copmes to real power, the lapua has a lot going for it. Did you read that link I put in my last comment talking about the Lapua?

Yes I read it.....very informative. :)

45-70Govt
November 19, 2008, 02:08 PM
325 Wsm

publius
November 19, 2008, 08:46 PM
.338WM or .375H&H

UniversalFrost
November 19, 2008, 08:50 PM
well, 8mm mag, 300 mag, 300 ultra mag, 300 weatherby mag, 338 mag, 338 lapua mag are all the next steps that are in the bigger category, but they come with extreme recoil compared to the 06' so they are not always better.

Just learn to shoot your rifle well and get good glass that can handle the extreme distances.

JOE