What powder is "H. Universal"?

[btefft]

What powder is "H. Universal"?

On page 565 of the Speer manual #13 (in the 240 grain table for the 44 Rem Mag) it lists a powder simply as "H. Universal".

I googled it and found nothing. So, if anyone knows, please let me know.

I'm guessing it means Universal Clays, but don't really know for sure.

Hack

[Stumper]

Good guess. Hodgdon Universal.

[robctwo]

Probably Universal Clays. Go to the Hodgdon site and check their load data against the Speers.

[btefft]

robctwo,

I did. Hodgdon shows 10.2 gr Of their Universal producing 1246 fps.

Speer shows 9.6 gr of "H. Universal" producing 1237, and that's max.

So, I'm still in the dark.

Maybe I can contact Speer and see what they say.

Hack

[jibjab]

Assuming Speer and Hodgdon where using the same bullet, the same case and primer and the same powder lots, they may use different test barrels and pressure test equipment.
I would work up from 8.9 gr. of Hodgdon's Universal.

[SKULLANDCROSSBONES65]

G'day, I'm not sure if this is relevant. Last week I asked the Australian powder manufacturer ADI a question about identifying their various powders. (I will post a new thread soon on the subject.) In short, their AP70N powder is sold in the USA by HODGDON under the label 'Universal'. Still not sure if this will help.

[sourdough44]

I like & use Hodgdon Universal 'Clays' in several handguns. It is in the same realm as the well know Unique & supposed to be cleaner. I do find it clean. I have noticed some charges from Hodgdon to be on the high side compared to various manuals. I usually x-reference several manuals before I start loading.

[E.J.W.]

btefft,
Hogdon makes both powders spoken about in this topic.
There is "Universal Clays" which I use for my 12ga trap loads and "Universal" which I use in my light target/plinking loads for my 44 Mag. They are two different powders and cannot be used in place of each other.

E.

[jibjab]

http://www.hodgdon.com/shotpist.html

[Unclenick]

I heard that Hodgdon planned to drop the "Clays" suffix from their International Clays and Universal Clays powders to keep them distinct from Hodgdon Clays, yet a third powder that is faster than either of the other two. I don't see that on JibJab's link, though.