Armi San Marco .44 1851 Navy Sheriff's Model

[arcticap]

Here's a brass frame, 1992 Armi San Marco 1851
Navy .44 Sheriff's Model with a 5 inch barrel.
The nipples are frozen, there's some light to
moderate pitting mostly in the rifling grooves
of the bore, and some minor roughness in the
chambers from oxidation.
There's also some nicks and gouges around
the wedge, and the flat of the crown has some
cosmetic pitting.
It has a nice light trigger pull, tight lock up and
smooth cycling.
A new set of nipples is available from Deer Creek
Products 765-525-6181.
$65 shipped O.B.O.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37786&stc=1&d=1225601842

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37787&stc=1&d=1225601868

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[Hawg Haggen]

If it was a .36 you'd have a deal.

[IDAHOMIKE]

Ill Take It, Pm Incoming Sunday With Info

[lockedcj7]

I'll take it if Mike backs out.

[Hawg Haggen]

This is gonna be interesting. One gun, two buyers on different forums. Anybody got popcorn?:D

[hawkins50cal]

Other than the frozen nipples, it's in working condition?

[arcticap]

Yes, it is working.
Thanks for being interested in it. :)

[hawkins50cal]

If the sale falls through, I'll take it. pay pal or however.

[karwelis]

this person doesnt deal fairly. i wouldnt be suprised if the gun was stolen

karwelis

[W. C. Quantrill]

Looks like the seller is tryin to make deals on several forums.......takin on the looks of a shifty seller, he is.

[mykeal]

karwelis and W. C. Quantrill - those are very serious accusations and should not be left hanging. Please explain your statements and provide supporting information, or apologize.

[arcticap]

The pistol was sold to member of American Longrifles who told me that he was very pleased when he received it.
Apparently karwelis is upset because he posted on 2 forums that he wanted to buy the pistol but it was sold to someone else by mistake.
On November 2, karwelis posted on ALR that he wanted the pistol and for me to check my email.

i want it! check your email!

karwelis


http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=1697.0

Karwelis never emailed me but I didn't know that.
I replied to an email that I received from an ALR member who wanted to buy the pistol and I told him where to send the money. Then I posted on 2 threads that an email was sent because I thought that I did reply to an email from karwelis. But it wasn't from karwelis. He never emailed me to make arrangements to buy the pistol.
I finally emailed karwelis directly after I eventually discovered that the person who did email me to buy the pistol wasn't him. On November 13 I emailed karwelis and explained what had happened.
He said that he emailed me even though he didn't.
He said that he called me but I never received a message stating that it was from him and my answering machine wasn't full.
He never contacted me until I emailed him first 11 days later after the ALR buyer told me that he wasn't karwelis.
I was surprised but then I didn't know karwelis's real name and I still don't.
I apologized to karwelis for selling the pistol to someone else even though I didn't do anything wrong except mistakenly reply to an email thinking that it was from karwelis. It was the buyer who informed me that he wasn't karwelis but by then it was too late and the funds had been received. And karwelis still hadn't emailed me. So it's partly his own fault too.
There wasn't any telephone messages left on my answering machine stating that it was from karwelis.
The only message that was left on my machine was a very long prank message that my wife told me about that was exactly the same as the one described by smokin gun as being left as a text message on his phone after karwelis said that he wanted to buy a pistol from him too.
When Karwelis told smokin gun that he left a telephone message, smoking gun stated that the only message that he received was a text message la, la, la, la, la and hang ups.

Re: Revs 4 Sale
« Reply #7 on Oct 4, 2008, 12:46am »

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Home Phone (661) 266-3652

I got a 702 hang up & 1 text on my cell(message was La!La!La!La! La! that's all...

SG


http://www.kabooom.proboards102.com/index.cgi?board=class&action=display&thread=271

Now my wife told me about this exact same la, la, la, la message that was left on our answering machine well after the pistol was sold and only after I mentioned to her about smokin gun's wierd text message. I didn't hear the message but my wife and my son did and they said that it went on and on and on. They thought it was a prank message. But what would I and smokin gun have in common besides trying to sell a pistol on karwelis's website? Nothing. He lives in the Mojave Desert and I live in Connecticut and we've never met except on the internet.
karwelis, that's the wrong way to leave a message.
It's also wrong to say that an email was sent when I didn't receive any from you to buy the pistol.
I didn't visit karwelis's website during that time period to see his posts on my ad because my email reply to sell the pistol had already been made immediately.
It's also wrong to make accusations that I wasn't fair regarding the sale of this pistol. I sold the pistol under the terms that were stated in the ad.
Unfortunately it wasn't to karwelis, but to the ALR member who did send me the email that I responded to.
If karwelis had emailed me, then my email response probably would have been to him.
It's unfortunate but these are the facts.

[Hawg Haggen]

karwelis and W. C. Quantrill - those are very serious accusations and should not be left hanging. Please explain your statements and provide supporting information, or apologize.

I doubt Karwelis will be back and W.C. only comes in once in awhile so I'll tell you what I know. Arcticap posted the pistol for sale on four forums that I know of. He posted it on Karwelis's forum on Nov. 1 at 10:02 PM.
At 11:13 karwelis said "I'll take it, call you in the morning".
On Nov. 2 at 2:52 PM Articap said "email sent-thanks".
At 3:02 karwelis said "hey um,,,,,,,tried calling a couple of times today, and who did you send the email to"?

On Nov. 12 Articap came back in and said "I responded to an email that I received, and then when
I talked to the buyer on the phone after the money
was received, he told me that he wasn't karwelis!
But up until that point in time I thought it was you who was buying the revolver".

[karwelis]

arcticap aka steve, did get emails from me, and he did post on on several sites, mine Muzzleloading life, here and American Longrilfe, and one other that im not familiar with. he is a shifty seller, and cant be trusted. i said what i said here because i was mad, but if you read what i said, its not an acusation, but does cause doubt. the worst part is he claims ignorance as his excuse. and thats really low. he was sent several emails from me, that had my full name and phone # and i tried calling, but could not leave a message, because his voicemail was full. and most of his dribble here is just that! check out the link provided by him for American Longrile, and see whos name is atatched to that. after all he says it was that person ho got the pistol. if you all want to know what kind of a person i am, come to my site and find out!

jean karwelis
administrator
Muzzleloading Life
http://kabooom.proboards102.com/index.cgi

[mykeal]

Well, I appreciate the fact that you came back to provide an explanation for your comment.

I must admit, however, to being quite confused. If I understand your statement, you responded to articap a number of times, both by email and telephone, with messages to the effect that you wanted to purchase the revolver he was advertising. I further understand you to say that despite your apparently successful contacts, he refused to acknowledge them and subsequently sold the gun, to himself.

This is beyond bizzare; I can only conclude that I must misunderstand what you claim happened. You do not claim that Articap took your money and refused to deliver, nor do you claim he sold you misrepresented goods. I don't see that you are out any money or merchandise, so I can't find any harm done. He may have engaged in some unorthodox behavior (none of which is apparent from his version of the events), but that's about it.

Do I have it right?

Edit: By the way, I make every effort not to judge the character of a person based on internet postings, so I'll not be visiting your site, or any other, to attempt to ascertain which of you is 'the better man'. I have no interest in that.

[arcticap]

I think that I now understand what happened.
Karwalis forwarded me 2 emails today that he sent to me on November 2nd and November 3rd from his email account at AIM.com
But I never received these emails because they were never delivered to my gmail.com email account for some reason, possibly due to problems with AIM.com's email delivery system.
I checked my gmail.com inbox and they never arrived and weren't deposited there.

Now my oldest son has an AIM.com email account which he doesn't like to use for sending important emails anymore because he had problems with emails not being received when he sent them.
I think that's what happened in this case too.
If the AIM.com email service is unreliable, then it caused both of us to point fingers that emails weren't sent or responded to.
Of course I feel bad or else I wouldn't have posted that I sent an email [to karwelis] in the first place.
You should have heard my repeated questions to the buyer when I repeatedly asked "You're not karwelis, you're not karwelis? I thought you were karwelis."
He said that he was familiar with karwelis because they're both members of ALR and build rifles.
But by then it was too late, fees were involved and I hadn't heard further from karwelis.
In hindsight I should have emailed him directly in the beginning, and also sooner to try to explain, the difference being a few days that went by.
I don't use voicemail, only an answering machine.
I sincerely apologize to karwelis for my mistake saying that he didn't send any emails. Honestly, neither of them were received.
I do hope that karwelis is able to find another revolver to buy that will serve him even better.
Good luck and God Bless! :)

[karwelis]

bla, bla, bla, is what i heard. thats a bulls*** excuse! ive been using the service fo years without fail! just admit your an idiot and move on

[mykeal]

Well, I guess we don't need to go to your web site after all.

[Gaucho Gringo]

Having read this entire thread and wanting to buy the gun myself when I saw the post, but by the time I read the post the gun was posted as being sold. Guns for sale are like buses, if you miss one another one will be along shortly. D'ont sweat the small stuff.

[karwelis]

oh im over it, and anything regarding it has been deleted from my site, and the people over at Muzzleloading Life have moved on.

karwelis

[kirpi97]

To all the parties, I would like to say, I can understand what happened. Just recently I placed an item up for sell. I got three buyers. I told the second and third offerers that it was sold. But this is where it went wrong.

While I was working with one buyer another email came saying they needed info to send the money order. With the string of numbers used in email addresses today, I didn't look close enough. The original offerer, who we will call A, was who I thought all along I was communicating with. However, when the other offerer, we'll call B (who never used the thread to communicate), emailed concerning payment, he stated at first he was using a money order. So it sounded like offerer A. But later he changed and said he would use his wife's PayPal account--quicker payment and all.

So stupid me, I just thought the two different email addresses were within the same home. Boy was I wrong. I actually ended up selling the item to offerer B using PayPal while offerer A's money order was in the mail.

I communicated with A and offered to make it right if I had to go out and purchase the items again and sell them to him at the price I offered. He was kind enough to understand. But mistakes happen. We need to understand that.

And as for emails coming late. I have a yahoo account and my mother a msn account. There have been several occasions when an email will be sent to her that takes two week to arrive. I do not lie. I could drive to her house or use snail mail quicker. Those times happen. But for the most part everything goes well.

There are bad apples, but I do not believe anyone here set out to purposely to con another. From what I can read and due to my mistake, I think that is what happened here.

So in the words of Rodney King. "Can't we all get along." I wonder what ever happened to that drunk after the settlement????

Oh yes, to make this even more fun. Should Mike back out, Locked not be available, and Hawkins50cal pass on the offer, can I place an offer as well?

[arcticap]

Thanks for posting such an interesting story about your own selling experience and also the kind commentary.
About your wanting to make an offer, thanks anyway but no thanks! :)

[trekkie951]

hawghaggin called it so well at post #5.

[arcticap]

What made it even more interesting was that the fellow who did buy it never posted on ALR where he saw the ad and only contacted me by email.