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rwt101
October 31, 2008, 10:52 PM
I am getting my C&R license soon and I want to get a Mosin carbine. I am concerned about the ammo availability and cost. I am also starting to reload and could probably reload some. But anyway I need to keep the cost down. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Bob T:)

tokarev762
October 31, 2008, 11:09 PM
If a carbine is what you want, then I suggest the M38. Unless you like having a bayonet attached with a hinge at the end of your weapon, whereupon you pick up an M44.

The 91/30's are usually the cheapest form of the Mosin-Nagants. Most folk think that the Finnish M39's are the best of them all.

Milsurp ammo is still easy to find. Dies, brass and bullets plentiful enough.

Mind that once you get one M-N, you'll end up with several soon enough.

Tamara
November 1, 2008, 05:59 AM
Wanting "the best" and keeping costs down are rarely able to be done at the same time. Fortunately, even the nicest of Mosins (outside of rare sniper variants and such) is only going to set you back a few hundred bucks.

If it's a carbine you want, your choices are kinda limited unless you run across a screaming deal on a Pole. If it's a rifle, any of the Finnish variants should make you happy.

hejlman
November 2, 2008, 09:09 PM
I suggest you check into the local gun shows, they have a whole lot of the 91/30's and M44's usually. Just make sure you pull the bolt and check out the barrel. I just today purchased a M44 and am looking forward to firing it. I have already reconditioned the stock with some sanding and some stain with poly in it. There are also tons of parts available for the weapon. Rounds are very easy to get and reloading is a good idea. I bought rounds for 6 dollars a box of twenty today when I purchased the gun. Have fun!!

AzShooter
November 2, 2008, 11:07 PM
I'd look at the Model 38. It's just a little longer than the M 44 but doesn't have the bayonet attached and shoots better than the 44 which shoots best with the bayonet extended.

rwt101
November 2, 2008, 11:10 PM
Is all the ammo for the Mosins corrosive ammo?:confused:
Bob T

tokarev762
November 2, 2008, 11:55 PM
I just regard any milsurp ammo as corrosive. Still use it though. Got several thousand rounds of 7.62x54R and only about a hundred of it is new noncorrosive.

Just give it a good cleaning on the same day that you shoot it. Check it the next day to make sure everythings good.

jsmaye
November 3, 2008, 08:40 AM
I am also starting to reload and could probably reload some.

The 7.62x54R round uses Berdan primers and is more difficult to reload. How much more I don't know - I'll let the more experienced take it from here.

tokarev762
November 3, 2008, 11:19 AM
He can buy boxer primed rounds and reload the brass from them or just buy new brass that takes boxer primers.

carguychris
November 3, 2008, 03:46 PM
To echo the previous posts, AFAIK all milsurp 7.62x54R ammo has corrosive Berdan primers, including the brand new stuff when it's available. To this day, the Russians supposedly will not use non-corrosive or Boxer-style primers because they reportedly don't perform as well in extremely cold weather.

However, don't let this scare you. Contrary to what the guy who's always sitting on the stool at your local gun store tells you, it won't ruin your gun, because there's a readily available solvent for corrosive primer residue- it's called warm soapy water. :) After you shoot your Mosin-Nagant, run a few patches soaked in WSW through the bore and wipe down the bolt, the top of the mag follower, and the insides of the chamber, receiver, and mag housing. Then clean again with powder solvent and oil like normal. There's no special techniques or secret Super Whatsit Magical Mystery Bore Solvent needed. ;)

To answer the original question, the Finnish M28 and M39 are widely considered to be the best Mosin-Nagant carbines. They were rebarreled with higher quality barrels than what the Russians or Soviets ever used.

jhenry
November 3, 2008, 06:47 PM
Best carbine? I would have to say a Finnish Cavalry Carbine but good luck finding one at all let alone at anything near an affordable price. Absent that I would opt for a M38 with a good bore, not counter bored.

Stan in SC
November 3, 2008, 09:55 PM
The 91/59 is the best carbine in the Mosin lineup.They are cut down 91-30's.


Stan

hejlman
November 18, 2008, 03:42 AM
The Ammo I keep seeing is all "corrosive" unless you want to pay out the nose for new 7.62 54r from the big suppliers. I have been shooting the readily available mil surplus for sale all over the internet and it like the gentleman said works just fine. Warm soapy water and oil works great. These weapons are so resiliant that you could most likely use homemade gunpowder through them and it would not damage the beast. Reloading the mil surplus rounds from what I have been told is not recomended. Not sure if it is price or just not supposed to be reloaded.

rwt101
November 18, 2008, 08:13 AM
I bought an M38. It is an arsenal refurb. It has been counter bored.
Bob T:D

hejlman
November 23, 2008, 06:29 PM
Sweet rifle. I enjoy shootin my M44 a lot. Have fun!!

PtrJack
November 26, 2008, 09:48 AM
If your m38 is anything like my Romanian M44, you will love it! I don't know which carbine is the best, but I know I like what I have. It's accurate and easy to break down and clean.

Three suggestions:
1. See if you can find some 7.62x54r hollow core ammo. It has the same full load as the light ball, but for some reason doesn't kick as bad. (Probably lighter bullet=less pressure!) My m44 does fine with either, but the hollow core is more fun! Light ball is usually 140-150 gr. rounds.
2. Don't even consider reloading until the supply of surplus ammo dries up. The berden primers are impossible to find and even if you could it takes special tools to de-prime. Buy as much ammo as you can afford at the next gun show and you will do fine.
3. For breakdown of your gun, including the bolt, check out surplusrifle.com. Look in the left-hand column after you pull up the site. Also check out their forums. I cut my C&R teeth on that site!

hejlman
November 26, 2008, 06:32 PM
Good point on the site. I learned to break down my M44 in 5 minutes from that site too. You can learn a lot from all the side sites too. I just purchased 200 rounds of Czech Military 147gr. Silver Tip Light Ball for $41.90 from Ammunitiontogo.com. Many types to choose from, even new rounds from big suppliers. Enjoy!!

boogity8k
December 8, 2008, 06:17 PM
are all mosins carbines ?

jsmaye
December 9, 2008, 08:20 AM
are all mosins carbines ?

There are three main variants of Mosins, and several foreign models that more or less take after the Russian weapons. The most common are the 91/30 (full-length), the M38 (carbine, no bayonet), and the M44 (carbine with bayonet). Later, some 91/30s were physically cut down to carbine length and designated the 91/59.

There are Finnish, Czech, Polish, Chinese, and even U.S. models of the long rifle and carbines. There are also a few models prior to the common 91/30, but they're pretty rare.

AK Man
December 12, 2008, 12:52 AM
The Polish M44 is a lot better quaity (wood & metal) than the others.
Look for the 33 in an oval on the reciver.
My m44 shoots great, I have no problem shooting 200 to 300 yds. open sites.
Check out this link.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/global%20mosin%20nagants/Polish-M44.asp

AK Man
December 12, 2008, 01:00 AM
1. See if you can find some 7.62x54r hollow core ammo. It has the same full load as the light ball, but for some reason doesn't kick as bad. (Probably lighter bullet=less pressure!) My m44 does fine with either, but the hollow core is more fun! Light ball is usually 140-150 gr. rounds.

The 7.62x54r hollow core ammo kicks less because it only has a 44.8 gr round.
Check out this link about 3/4 way down the page, number 013.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

The Ammo I keep seeing is all "corrosive" unless you want to pay out the nose for new 7.62 54r from the big suppliers.

Don't worry about "corrosive" ammo, just clean your gun like in this link and your good to go.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/corrosive/index.asp

shinnery jim
December 14, 2008, 11:36 PM
hey dont forget the 91, it is 2 and 1/2 inches longer than the the 91/30. I have one made in 1917. it is a great shooting gun. I have had it for 30 years and put a lot of rounds through it.dont get me wrong, I have five of them all together. 2 91/30s a 44 a 53 and the 91. buy you some ammo on line. got 880 rounds last month for 129 dollars.

p99guy
March 17, 2010, 11:51 PM
lol heavy ball in a M38 , off the bench isnt much fun in my book.....I much prefer the 1.1 pounds heavier M44(it weighs as much as a full lenth 91/30)
And sold my M38.

I really like my russian made, ex east german M44,and light ball.
the Finn M39 is the most refined, with a higher combed pistol grip stock, better sights, and revised anti jam magazine the Finns came up with...and a modified/better trigger.
my Mosins

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3576/img0278xv.jpg

raftman
March 18, 2010, 06:20 PM
If you really are worried about corrosive ammo and don't wanna take the extra steps to clean after, the recent production Russian non-corrosive 7.62x54R stuff (like Brown Bear) is still pretty cheap as far as rifle ammo goes andd relatively available too.

TX Hunter
March 19, 2010, 09:47 AM
Here is a very good place to buy Amunition for your Mossin Nagant.


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/

artsmom
March 19, 2010, 10:46 PM
I concur with AK Man. I have a 91/30, 91/59, Model 38, and two Model 44s, and the Polish one is the nicest in my collection.

I did get a beautiful 91/30 from Classic Arms, which was their rifle of the day.

I like them all, actually.:D

TX Hunter
March 20, 2010, 04:42 PM
MR Rwt101

I am also waiting for my C&R, I sent off the paper work, with payment, and hope took copy 2 to our chief of police. He said it was the first time he has ever seen that. Oh well.
I have already bought a Mauser for myself and a Mossin for my Son.
I bought one from an individual and the other was sent to a dealer for me.
You will love the Mossin Nagant, they are great rifles, I sure hope you get a good one, and have alot of fun shooting it. :)

gyvel
March 21, 2010, 03:12 AM
Find a Polish M44 carbine; They are the Cadillacs of Mosin Nagants.

ksstargazer
March 21, 2010, 11:04 AM
While the Polish M44's have the best fit and finish of the carbines, they do not have the accuracy of the M91/59 mosin carbines. I have both and both are must haves in any mosin collection.
If you want to venture out of the carbines, the Finnish M39 is a bit longer but has much nicer sights and handles recoil and muzzle blast better. They are all uniformly among the most accurate military rifles made. I agree with Tamara, you can't go wrong with a Finnish mosin. I have yet to find an inaccurate Finnish rifle.

SigP6Carry
March 21, 2010, 03:06 PM
I prefer the M38, over all other Mosin Carbines (outside of the Finns) for one reason: not sighted in on a Bayonet. Other than that, the M38, 44 and 59 are all essentially identical carbines and you'd do good with any of them that you want. The Finn models are truly the Cadillacs of the Mosin world, although I don't consider them a Mosin, myself. I consider them as much a Mosin as the Springfield a Mauser, although many would disagree.

Also, Stargazer, check this out: The M59's aren't inherently more accurate than the M44's. I'm not sure if you considered the bayonet into the consideration with the M44 vs. 59 issue. Or the fact that Mosin quality and accuracy is ALL OVER THE PLACE. A beat up, rotted out Finn ain't gonna shoot as well as a near-new Soviet 30.

Ignition Override
March 22, 2010, 01:04 AM
There have not been any MNs, no matter which type, in gun shows near Memphis which compared with the Polish MN 44s or better examples of Finns.

An extra, modest bit of cash can be well worth it.
People are often seduced by laminated MN 44s:o, at the expense of searching for a really bright bore/rifling. This was my main mistake.

mp25ds4
March 22, 2010, 02:57 PM
A pole m44 is by far the highest quality of m44's, I scored mine in excellent condition for 150$ about 2 months ago. But you'll have trouble finding one in excellent cond. for less than 275$

TommyW
March 22, 2010, 05:14 PM
If you can find one...the 91/59 is the most accurate carbine that I own. StanSC is right. The 91/59 is a cut down 91/30. That means that the barrel is thicker than the M38 or the M44. My M44 can't get close to what the 59 will do. I have set mine up in a ATI stock with Pentax glass. It'll bring down about anything that grows on the North American continent. From the Keys to Alaska. I blew a hole through a 10" red oak tree with the 7.62x54R cartridge. Grizzly bears are tough, but, they ain't that tough!!!Ain't this fun,...I love this stuff!...