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GLP Standard
October 2, 2008, 02:42 AM
Just wondering what kind of information you guys can give me on flex cuffs? I wanted to pick up about a dozen of them just to have in case the need ever arises for them while I'm at work.
I was wondering things like:
-What different types are there and which are better?
-Is there anything special I need to know when applying them that is different from applying regular handcuffs?
-I know that people have used regular electricians zip ties before, but I dont want to hurt anyone. Would you recommend against this, or is this general okay as long as theyre wide enough and secure enough?

GLP Standard
October 4, 2008, 01:06 PM
No one can give me any information on flex cuffs?

Code3GT
October 4, 2008, 01:53 PM
The only reason I can think you should need flex-cuffs is if you're a peace officer...and if you need them at work, then the department should provide all the necessary training and equipment. Anything outside of sworn LEO, you're playing with legal fire.

GLP Standard
October 4, 2008, 02:27 PM
Thats the problem with my job. They dont provide us with crap, and what they do provide us with is complete garbage. Reason? They're cheap, and don't spend money unless they have to. All my equipment is my own, and the only thing I have that the company provided is my uniform, and if I could, I would buy my own uniform too.

That being said, the reason I feel the need for flex cuffs, is because I work on an extremely large bombing range for the USAF, which just happens to be located just north of the United States/Mexican border in Arizona. That being said, a very large number of Illegal Aliens come through our property, and even worse, our property is basically a highway for drug runners. The drug runners are more or less what I'm worried about. They travel in large groups, and often times carry weapons. That being said, I only have 2 pairs of cuffs. If I'm ever on the range, and I encounter coyotes that are carrying drugs, they're going in handcuffs, because I don't trust them, no questions asked. If I ever come across a group of 10 coyotes, I wanted to have flex cuffs in case I needed them. I'll worry about the legal aspect of putting a dirty ass illegal immigrant in cuffs when it happens. In the mean time, I'd rather not get shot by some scum-bag who's carrying illegal drugs in a country he has no business being in, because they have no remorse, and if they lose their drugs, they're gonna get killed by the cartel that owns the drugs anyway, so what do they care about taking a human life?

So, am I a sworn LEO? No, not yet. Do I potentially have a need for flex cuffs? Absolutely. Our Chief has given people flex cuffs before just for the very purpose stated above. In fact, we just had an ICE Agent drop off about 20 of them for our Chief last week, which is what gave me the idea to pick some up. My Chief however isnt what I would call a friend, and I really dont want to go asking him for some flex cuffs, because chances are, they would be coming out of his pocket. He would probably just tell me to go buy my own, hence why I'm asking this information.

RolandMk.1
October 4, 2008, 02:39 PM
Not LEO, but it seems to me the only problem with Flex-cuffs is that they're plastic. Tough plastic, but plastic that can be easily cut or broken.

Instead, why not get a couple of co-workers to chip in and buy a bunch of cheap steel-cuff's wholesale? I've got some cheap single-lock steel handcuffs I bought for five, ten bucks. Get another two guys in on this, each order ten pairs, that's thirty cuffs. Buy the cheapest metal handcuffs you can find, direct from the manufacturer; and you'll have something that will last and can be re-used many times.

It'll be expensive, but I think it'd be the best option in the long run. I mean, sooner or later you'll just have to buy more flex-cuffs, whereas you can use metal cuffs over and over again.

My two cents...

Don H
October 4, 2008, 03:12 PM
They travel in large groups, and often times carry weapons.....If I ever come across a group of 10 coyotes, I wanted to have flex cuffs in case I needed them.

Your syntax indicates you are a lone guard in this situation. I have to question the wisdom of this approach.

teeroux
October 4, 2008, 03:56 PM
The only reason I can think you should need flex-cuffs is if you're a peace officer...and if you need them at work, then the department should provide all the necessary training and equipment. Anything outside of sworn LEO, you're playing with legal fire.


Well mabe not every department is as great as yours.:rolleyes:


My wife is currently in the police academy and she was issued a gun, holster, and duty belt by her department we had to procure everything else for her duty belt.

GLP Standard
October 4, 2008, 04:40 PM
Lone, probably not. One other person to back me up? More than likely. I know its not a smart move putting myself in that position. In fact, its not even in our job description to track and catch UDA's. That's what Border Patrol is for. However, we are supposed to detain trespassers when we encounter them on the range, and that's exactly what UDA's are: Trespassers. I don't necessarily go out looking for this kind of thing when I'm out there, but the possibility of running into something of that nature is very real, and I'd like to be prepared if it happens. I definately feel its my job to handle a situation if I'm ever put in one, NOT to run away and hide.

Un_lucky
October 4, 2008, 07:53 PM
I'll humor your question try the ASP tri fold. They work well enough and are easy to carry. However please don't try to cuff more people then you can control. If someone you cuffed was injured (fell down and couldn't catch themselves etc) you would be liable. That's why I'm hands on with anyone I restrain.

Swampghost
October 4, 2008, 08:13 PM
Google Ty-Wraps or zip-ties and you should be able to find whatever you want. This is one of the best known companies http://www.tnb.com/ps/pubint/index.cgi?a=get_sub&cid=2

If you know somebody in the air conditioning business they use them to secure duct to registers and they're strong enough to make a quick fix on a school bus transmission mount. Done it.