Gun fight at park

[Firepower!]

Five days ago we had a gun fight in the center of the capital city. It took less than three minutes for the entire incident. The opposing party fired pistol shot at our car, where upon ak fire was returned and escaped the scene. We went to the police station and filed a report. Police assistant sub inspector was ordered to accompany us to the location the where the culprit were sitting. Our job was to identify the culprit so police can take further action. When we reached the premises the culprits became aware and immediately starting shooting again while trying make an escape. The sub inspector fled the scene and no police units were sent. Thus we took situation in our hands and returned fire with 6 M4 and 6 Ak47. Under the fire cover we aprehanded the culprits, forced them into the trunk (2 of them) and deposited them back at the station.

Result police pressed charges agaisnt us for kidnapping the culprits and bringing them to station. Took twevle hours for us iron out police and crooks within.


Lesson: do not go the park under armed!

[B. Lahey]

Yowza. That's pretty honkey tonkin', glad to hear you avoided perforations.

Makes me appreciate the fact that we have cops that will do that stuff for us over here.

[BikerRN]

Is this part of a fiction novel you're writing?

As far as going to a park "under-armed". If I knew I was going to need a gun I wouldn't go there.

Biker

[HiBC]

I know a gunsmith who had an intercom in his shop.He was being robbed(guns,that might kill people,were being stolen)
He intevened with a shotgun,and handcuffed the offenders to his post vise.Then he called the sheriff.He had to deal with kidnapping charges.
1) I accept that life ain't fair
2) I accept that if I introduce a gun to any situation involving people I will likely suffer prosecution,even if it is self defense.
3) I figure shooting back to stay alive is OK,then I'll deal with it as a survivor.
4) If I arm myself and head back into a situation,unless it is to stop a capitol crime in progress,I will be prosecuted
You somewhat have my sympathy,but the vigilante/posse thing just doesn't work for the average district attorney.
Avoid,avoid,avoid.No other option? OK,whack em. You had other options.

[rampage841512]

Right. Sure. :rolleyes:

[B. Lahey]

Is it one of these? What the heck is a dacoit?

Four get award for foiling dacoity bid
Saturday, September 13, 2008
By Our crime correspondent

Rawalpindi

Regional Police Officer Nasir Khan Durrani Friday awarded commendation certificates to four citizens for exhibiting extraordinary courage and bravery in arresting bandits during a dacoity attempt in Westridge.

Those who awarded include Muhammad Imran, Muhammad Nawaz, Muhammad Akhtar and Haji Zahid Ali who had intercepted dacoits while hitting a house on wee hours of Thursday.

Four dacoits held a passer-by at gun point when he was walking to his uncle’s house located in the same street and tied his arms and legs with ropes and later asked him to guide them to his uncle Asif’s house.

The dacoits as entered his house Asif woke up and took out his gun while women of the family started shouting to attract people’s attention to seek their help.

Meanwhile, people of the area were gathered out the house of Asif and cordoned off the gangsters.

The dacoits started firing and tried to escape from the scene but as a result of counter firing, a dacoit was gunned down while the other, identified as Anwar, was later handed over to the area police in critical condition.

Six ‘dacoits’ arrested in capital
Saturday, September 13, 2008
By Our crime correspondent

Islamabad

The Shehzad Town Police Friday arrested six gunmen, who according to police, were assembled at a place with the intention of committing dacoity and recovered loaded pistols from them.

The police upon receiving information that seven accused are present at a deserted place near green area of Boota Darbar and planning to commit dacoity in the area. Taking action, DSP Shehzad Town Muhammad Ishaq Warraich constituted a team headed by SHO Arshad Ali Khokhar, Mubarak Ali SI and other officials to conduct the raid. The team promptly conducted raid and arrested six suspects on the spot identified as Syed Tahir Hussain, son of Tanvir Ali, resident of Khanna Dak, Islamabad, Imran Rafi, son of Muhammad Rafi, Rawalpindi, Malik Imran, son of Muhammad Sher, Sadiqabad, Yousaf Khan, son of Junaid Khan, Madina Town, Mukhtiar Ahmed, son of Abdur Rashid of Abbottabad and Tariq Mehmood, son of Muhammad Farooq of Bilal Town.

The police held them and also recovered weapons from their possession. During interrogation, the suspects have confessed that they committed a number of dacoities in the area. Police has registered the case under sections 399/402 PPC, AO-13/20/65 against the suspects and started investigation.

[KLRANGL]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacoity

Dacoit - Hindi for bandit...

Last time I checked, I go to the park to enjoy the beautiful outdoors, not worry about having to return fire with an AK :rolleyes:

On the gross assumption your story has any basis in fact (which I doubt), where does returning fire with 6 (six!?!?) M4s and 6 (six!?!?) AKs seem like a good idea, especially when you had a proven egress route? The incompetence of police forces or not, just get yourself outa there man...

[Keltyke]

Lesson: do not go the park under armed!

That reads like a bad Mickey Spillane dime novel. I ain't buying it.

The opposing party fired pistol shot at our car, where upon ak fire was returned and escaped the scene.
Your car returned fire with an AK??? What are you, Green Beret?

We went to the police station and filed a report.
So everyone missed and you calmly drove to the local precinct house to make a report, instead of staying on the scene and calling the cops like you should have?

Police assistant sub inspector was ordered to accompany us to the location the where the culprit were sitting.
Shots fired and they sent ONE cop? That's not even remotely believable.

When we reached the premises the culprits became aware and immediately starting shooting again while trying make an escape.
They fired on a cop and the place wasn't flooded with blue lights in about 30 seconds? Nope.

The sub inspector fled the scene and no police units were sent.
Science fiction.

Thus we took situation in our hands and returned fire with 6 M4 and 6 Ak47.
So your party had 6 assault rifles? (I don't know what an "M4" is.) Bull.

Under the fire cover
"Under fire cover"? Where'd you learn to talk like that, watching Vietnam movies?

Don't feed the troll, boys.

[cbm1948]

That reads like a bad Mickey Spillane dime novel. I ain't buying it.
Entertaining to read but I have to agree with Keltyke 100%

Clint

[B. Lahey]

What I want to know is what the heck a lawyer was doing participating in a spur of the moment commando raid? You couldn't hire some young guys to do that sort of work? Did you spend all your money on $7,000 Glocks?

If y'all doubt Firepower!, read the local news from Islamabad. I just did, there are several dozen papers with online English editions.

Wild west.

[ringworm]

you'll have to excuse us here in the good old USA.
when we hear park we think...
http://www.theparkpeople.org/images/wash_park_gardens_2.jpg
not...
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060126/aplus2.jpg

[TwoXForr]

Thanks for the laughs, read this and just smiled, and if you were here I would pat you on the head and go, that is a nice story.

[B.A.]

What I want to know is what the heck a lawyer was doing participating in a spur of the moment commando raid?

My thoughts exactly.

Firepower,
Do you possibly have your pronouns mixed up, meaning "they" but writing "we"?
And if you were there, what role did you actually play in the drama?
Not trying to discredit you, but would be interested to know more about the context and details.

I'm not surprised this sort of thing happens on regular basis in Pakistan. Down here we've got an ongoing saga of some cops who kidnapped a group of gemstone dealers, took them out and executed them in the suburbs. For you foreigners' reference, a google search turned up:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=news+Dar+Es+Salaam+police+murder+gemstone+dealers&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

(Now let's see if I managed to do that quote thing correctly...)

[Firepower!]

Chief,
It was spur of the moment action since here when a friend is in trouble we help first and ask questions later.

Things got out of hand when the guards started shooting. The plan was to force the other party to police station, but the sub inspector fled and it turned out to be a mess.

I am a lawyer, but my friends are some what crazy and they expect you hang with them when %^&* happens.

I know its hard for many to believe there in US.

[Keltyke]

I know its hard for many to believe there in US.

Sorry "Chief", your post never mentioned WHERE this happened. I guess when you live in the jungle...

[CWO4USCGRET]

Thank you for the post Firepower. Kidnapping charges? I can see where it is possible; one of the elements of kidnapping is to move someone from a location with force and against their will. No matter what country one lives in there are criminals and there are those who do good for the benefit of the the populous. Thanks for trying to make your capital a safer place.

Guys I am going to go out on a limb here and say something some of you will not like and some of you will.

When I joined The Firing Line I was given the ability to provide personal information - where I live, what I do for a living, etc. Firepower's post clearly shows that this is truly an international forum; amazing, the internet brings us from all over, with diversity and different values and views on life. When I read the post it was obvious to me that the poster lived in a foreign country but when I checked his profile I didn't see where he was from. I suspect that if Firepower listed his physical location some of the people who belong to TFL would make even worse comments and totally discount the poster and his post. There is too much prejudice and hate in the world; we don't need it on a disucssion board where we all share the same common interests of guns.

The only problem I see is that Firepower! is an attorney...

Where's that list of lawyer jokes.

[New_Pollution1086]

That is intense, is stuff like this a regular occurrence where you reside?

T

[Keltyke]

The only REAL problem is people who assume how others will react. I suspect if the OP had said WHERE this happened, his post would have been received with less skepticism and treated with more respect.

[SGT-MILLER]

Glad to hear you made it out without any injuries/deaths. Stay safe and stay frosty.

[Stagger Lee]

Just for argument's sake...how do we know that "Firepower" (or anyone else here) isn't just some teenager in Ohio? It is the internet, after all... :rolleyes:

[SGT-MILLER]

All I have to say is innocent until proven guilty..that is the American way.

[SilentHitz]

but when I checked his profile I didn't see where he was from. I suspect that if Firepower listed his physical location some of the people who belong to TFL would make even worse comments and totally discount the poster and his post. Only a few...Firepower has already posted on this forum that he is from Pakistan. Their parks ( among other places) aren't as peaceful as those in the states...not by a long shot.

[Playboypenguin]

This thread is a huge joke, right? It sure does give all of us a black eye if taken seriously. :barf:

[SilentHitz]

This thread is a huge joke, right? One way to find out, spend a few months in Pakistan and see what it's like there.;)

[Relayer]

Wow. We walk around with our SP-101s, Glocks 22sl, and 1911s... you fellows are out toting AK47s and M4s. That's firepower.

How many deceased in all that shooting?

[Creature]

This never happened. It is just a joke.

[SGT-MILLER]

Ok..just for arguments sake.......

Prove that it never happened. :D

[Playboypenguin]

Yes, by all means let's let anyone with a computer and a vivid imagination post any Rambo crap they want to post regardless of how it affects the public persona of the forum as long as no one can prove them wrong. :rolleyes:

[Creature]

...this forum's public persona that you speak of...just who are we trying to impress and why should we give a rat's patooty what they think?

[SGT-MILLER]

If you want to accuse someone of lying, you'd better me able to back it up with something concrete. Otherwise you're making yourself sound like a total idiot.

If that's the way you look at things, why should anyone believe anything you post?

Plus, how are you positively affecting the public persona of this forum by accusing someone of lying without taking time to provide proof of the accusation? All you are doing is making this thread sound juvenile.

If you don't believe it, that's fine, just move on and post somewhere else.

:rolleyes:

[Playboypenguin]

...this forum's public persona that you speak of...just who are we trying to impress and why should we give a rat's patooty what they think?
People might want to familiarize themselves with the mission statements of this forum. If they feel the need to operate counter productively towards them they might want to excuse themselves from participation.

[Playboypenguin]

If you want to accuse someone of lying, you'd better me able to back it up with something concrete. Otherwise you're making yourself sound like a total idiot.
That is crap. If someone wants to make outlandish and unbelievable statements from their american ISP while pretending to be a 3rd world revolutionary I think the burden of proof falls upon the one making a spectacle of this forum.

[Creature]

If you want to accuse someone of lying, you'd better me able to back it up with something concrete. Otherwise you're making yourself sound like a total idiot.

It is not the audience's responsibility to prove anything. It is however up to OP to prove any claim that he wants the audience to believe.

edit PBP beat me to it.

[Sparks2112]

That is crap. If someone wants to make outlandish and unbelievable statements from their american ISP while pretending to be a 3rd world revolutionary I think the burden of proof falls upon the one making a spectacle of this forum.

Oh no he didn't!

Seriously though, does either side of this matter that much? Someone close the thread and lets get back to our regularly scheduled programming already.

[S832]

This thread is a huge joke, right? It sure does give all of us a black eye if taken seriously.

QFE, seriously - ***?

[Creature]

People might want to familiarize themselves with the mission statements of this forum. If they feel the need to operate counter productively towards them they might want to excuse themselves from participation.

Your condescending smugness is cracking me up!

[Hornett]

Mods,

Can we change the title of this thread to "Gecko45 takes a walk in a park"?

[Playboypenguin]

Nothing condescending about it. Mall ninjas and basement commandos are a blight on the gun community and they should never be tolerated in open forums. Their names should never even be spoken accept as the punchline in a joke. :)

[SGT-MILLER]

Well...if he's from an American ISP then that would be something to ponder now wouldn't it?

That would be some proof to cause question of this story.

It's just stupid and immature to blame without proof, anyone that blames without proof, is acting juvenile..that's my humble opinion.

If you have an argument/proof to stand on, then that's a different story.

Otherwise, if you don't feel this thread is consistent with the mission statement of this forum, let a moderator know about it, and move on.

It's not rocket science, folks............:rolleyes:

[Playboypenguin]

You have a real backwards way of looking at things. Believing outlandish stories simply because no one is proving them false. I bet you are a great target for internet scams and love to hear about alien abductions. :)

[Creature]

I think the OP's public thrashing here by the rest of us will convince any passerby of this forum's lack of tolerance of BS'ers. I do believe our public persona here at TFL will remain intact however strained you may feel its integrity to be.

[Playboypenguin]

Until they read the posts of people defending him and going along with his story. What part do you think most people will fixate on?

[Creature]

I am also very confident that any reasonable reader who reads the posts of those who defend the OP with their illogical argument/s will be amused at worst.

[tplumeri]

I don't know what all the noise is about....
something similar happened to me once.
i was with the 47th CSH in afghan.
only difference is we didnt put em in a trunk and drive em anywhere.
and it didnt happen in a park.
and it was m16's instead of AK's
and it was a sanctioned military action.....
well, i guess it wasnt too similar after all.:D
tom

[Capt Charlie]

Tall tale? Maybe, maybe not. What I can tell you is that Firepower!'s IPA traces back to the Asian Pacific Network. Take it from there.

There are plenty of reasons to close this thread, and most of them don't relate to the OP :mad:.

Closed, for a total and disappointing lack of civility. This is NOT how we do things at TFL, folks.