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458winshooter
September 11, 2008, 12:55 AM
I was just over on gunbroker and ran across a Marlin 1893. It was chambered in 32 H.P.S.I am not familiar with that so does anybody have anything they can share on it?I tried to google but didn't get much.Thanks.

James K
September 11, 2008, 02:11 PM
IIRC, the .32 H.P.S. (.32 High Power Special) was simply the .32 Winchester Special when used by competitors who didn't want to put "Winchester" on their guns. AFAIK, the cartridge is still available, though not common.

Jim

Rampant_Colt
September 11, 2008, 02:32 PM
GREAT find!

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9628/3220reduxfv3.jpg

or it could possibly be 32/20?

the .32 Winchester Special that Jim Keenan's referring to looks exactly like a 30/30, and has identical ballistics

IIRC, the 30/30 and .32 Special were available in 1894

I personlly think the rifle in question's a 32/20

Jim Watson
September 11, 2008, 02:59 PM
No.
Marlin 1893 is the long action suitable for .32-40, .38-55, .30-30 and .32 Special.
If it were a .32-20 it would be a model 1894.

Rampant_Colt
September 11, 2008, 03:37 PM
Jim Watson is correct.

That rifle is chamered for .32 Winchester Special [see above photo]

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976993599/Guns-For-Sale/Gun-Auctions/Rifles/Marlin-Rifles/Pre-1899/Marlin_1893.htm
what a sweet rifle!


happy bidding! :cool:

458winshooter
September 11, 2008, 08:33 PM
Thanks to all of you for your responses.Now if I can justify it to my wife and bid on it!I just picked up a NIB 1895 45-70 last week.

Rampant_Colt
September 11, 2008, 10:02 PM
I was reading Cartridges of the World and saw that the Marlin M93 was also chambered for the 32/40 cartridge


click on pic for full-size image:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6658/3240001reduxcd7.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3240001reduxcd7.jpg)

I suggest asking the auctioneer or rifle owner what the proper caliber is

James K
September 12, 2008, 12:43 PM
The .32-40 never had the word "Special" attached to it. IIRC the Marlins in that caliber were marked simply ".32-40".

Also, while the .32 Special looks like the .30 Winchester Center Fire (.30-30), they are separate cartridges and are not interchangeable. The .32 Special came about because many shooters and hunters liked the .32 caliber. Ballistically nearly identical to the .30-30, it also allowed Winchester to use the same drilling and rifling tooling they used for the .32-20 (.32 Winchester Center Fire) but for a more powerful cartridge. As the .30-30 gained wide acceptance, the .32 Special declined, though many old timers swore it was a lot more powerful than the .30-30.

Jim

Dave Gafvert
September 29, 2008, 01:00 PM
Hi. I sold my 1893 Marlin and still have a as new set of RCBS dies, 3 boxes of
unopened 170 grn Hornady bullets (300). and some cases. Let me know if you
would be interested in them. all for 60.00. Cheers Dave

Arquebus
October 19, 2008, 07:24 AM
Jim Keenan said: The .32 Special came about because many shooters and hunters liked the .32 caliber. Ballistically nearly identical to the .30-30, it also allowed Winchester to use the same drilling and rifling tooling they used for the .32-20 (.32 Winchester Center Fire) but for a more powerful cartridge.
Don't think that's quite right. The .32/20 uses a .312" bullet whereas the .32 Special uses a .321". The usual story concerning the .32 Special, & it may be just an urban legend, is that folks were trying, unsuccesfully, to reload their .30/30 cases with blackpowder as reloading with smokeless was still a new development. Apparently Winchester marketed the .32 Special as being suitable for reloading with BP due to its slightly larger bore diameter & slower rifling twist rate.

Jim Watson
October 19, 2008, 08:08 AM
20, 40, what's the difference?

The .32 Winchester Special amounts to the .32-40 barrel specs and the .30-30 bottleneck chamber. No relation to the .32-20.

The part about factory loads with smokeless and reload with black is, if an urban legend, a very well entrenched one. I have an article where the writer tried it. He was disappointed with the performance when loaded with "fresh" components, but then he found a can of pre WW I DuPont black powder. Loaded with that, his .32 W.S. shot at higher velocity with less fouling and better accuracy, making it a worthwhile proposition for the handloader at the turn of the previous century.

James K
October 21, 2008, 02:59 PM
Hi, Arquebus and Jim,

My goof on the bit about the .32-20. I plead guilty to passing on a myth I read somewhere without checking it. But it was no myth that many old timers did consider the .32 Special to be a lot more powerful than the .30-30; I knew some of them and there was no way to convince them otherwise.

Jim