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Wolfolson
September 8, 2008, 09:43 PM
Can anyb lend a hand with some info?

i found a new in the box mg 42 at my friends grandpa's. if we can't find any paperwork on it (form 4) is there any way to get it registerd?

what can we do with it legally?

PTK
September 8, 2008, 11:21 PM
Donate it to a museum if there's no paperwork, the BATFE has been known to make such exceptions.

hoytinak
September 8, 2008, 11:30 PM
Edit: Nevermind...

Stagger Lee
September 8, 2008, 11:31 PM
Let's see how many people are going to bite on this... :rolleyes:

David Hineline
September 9, 2008, 12:52 AM
It would be around a $40,000 gun if transferable so don't go chopping it up lightly.

If you have a friendly police dept. you trust then have them run the serial number with the ATF, they will let them know if it is registered and to who, then the legal heir of the estate can get the gun transfered to them.

Once the ATF is contacted you must be prepared to get rid of the gun you found. Of course finding paperwork on your own would be the best route.

SPUSCG
September 9, 2008, 12:24 PM
i saw these high up there, like well over 100k, there sought after heavily your lucky to have found one, id love an mg42

Wolfolson
September 9, 2008, 05:19 PM
can a dealer buy it and sell it to milatary or Law enforcement?

hoytinak
September 9, 2008, 05:22 PM
can a dealer buy it and sell it to milatary or Law enforcement?

not legally

Hkmp5sd
September 9, 2008, 05:27 PM
If it isn't registered, no one can buy it. As previously stated, ATF may let a museum have it. The best thing your friend can do is call ATF and let them run the numbers. It's not worth the hassles you/him will get into if you try to do anything else. It really sucks to lose a piece of history as well as a $100K+ gun, but 10 years in federal prison sucks too.

ISC
September 9, 2008, 05:57 PM
I'd check the NFA registry for the serial numbers (it won't be there) then cut the reciever up as per ATF regs and sell the kit (minus the torch cut reciver pieces) for $600.

Or you could just sell it to the ATF informant who just sent you a PM and get an all expenses paid trip to a very secure vacation spot.

Alot of people would be tempted to hang on to it and never let it see the light of day, hoping for another amnesty like the one in '68 or a change in the registry laws when a Libertarian gets elected. Alot of people also believe in Santa Claus and 911 conspiracy theories.

I'm glad I'm not facing that choice, because I'd be tempted to have a new family heirloom in a secure cache.

HKuser
September 9, 2008, 06:02 PM
It's difficult to believe that there are any "new in box" MG42s floating around. The Germans shot the bejesus out of them before they ever made it over here.

aroundlsu
September 9, 2008, 06:39 PM
Just call the ATF NFA customer service line. Tell them you want to check on a Form 4. Give them your serial number. If they ask for your name, it's in there. Otherwise they'll say nothing exists for that number. If there is nothing in there under that number they don't ask for your name. If it's not in there you need to throw it in the bottom of a river.

Stagger Lee
September 9, 2008, 06:45 PM
For the reco4rd, MG42's aren't "worth $100k". Not even if it's personally autographed by Erwin Rommel. $40K is about top end for the things. It could be donated to a museum for one hell of a tax deduction. The curator at the Springfield Armory National Firearms Museum or the Smithsonian would know more about such things.

Hkmp5sd
September 9, 2008, 06:53 PM
A NIB mint MG-42......I bet it would hit 100K at an auction.

ISC
September 9, 2008, 06:58 PM
If it's not in there you need to throw it in the bottom of a river.

I'm telling you that there is nothing illegal about a MG42 kit if it has been demilled according to BATF guidelines, and they are worth quite a bit of money. Semiauto recievers are available if you wanted to build it as a functioning LEGAL gun also.

Crosshair
September 9, 2008, 07:25 PM
STFU and hide it VERY well if you don't want to destroy a piece of history. This is not the recommended method, but many people do do this.

There are plenty of people hiding FA guns that they would love to make legal if they could.

Wildalaska
September 9, 2008, 07:27 PM
Don't feed the troll

WildwhatafarceAlaska ™

hoytinak
September 9, 2008, 07:32 PM
You could save it for a local gun buy back program then you might get a $50 coupon or something for it....those are supposed to be no questions asked right? :D

VUPDblue
September 10, 2008, 02:31 PM
I'm leaning toward agreeing with Wildalaska, but for arguement's sake I'll ask if your friend's grandfather is still alive? If not, is the grandmother still living? Surely someone in the family will know if it was registered as a bringback or during the amnesty. Try asking some of the close family members before you ask the feds. If you don't get an answer, you can follow the advise of some of the other posters and ask BATFE to look up the serial # in the registry. If it turns out that the MG is not registered, I'd contact an attorney versed in NFA regulation and firearm law in general. Whatever you do, PLEASE do not destroy the gun! Even if it is not legal, there are proper channels to go through that would not lead to the destruction of that kind of historical artifact.

Wolfolson
September 10, 2008, 07:03 PM
Thanks for the info. i had non idea were to start to ask questions.

I did not relize that this is such a rare find. No one in their family has any intrest in it. i was hope to aqiure it if it is legal.

James K
September 10, 2008, 07:18 PM
If it is not registered, you can't legally cut it up. You can't legally "demil" it. You can't legally dump it in a lake. You can't make a kit out of it, because it is illegal for you to have it in the first place.

The only thing you can legally do is to surrender it to the police or BATFE. They can, at their option, transfer it to a museum, but you can't tell them to do that.

In theory, you can abandon (surrender) it to a government museum, and some people claim to have done so. But you could just as easily be arrested trying.

I would call an attorney and have him set up a meeting with BATFE to abandon the gun. The reason for using an attorney is that they are less likely to hassle you if it is all taken care of in the presence of your attorney.

So why can't you just cut it up or dump it? Because possession is a felony and doing that would be destroying evidence of a felony, which is a felony itself.

Some people say to remove the parts and surrender just the receiver. OK, if BATFE agrees but if you are an innocent party trying to comply with the law in a reasonable time, how would you explain taking a week or so to dismantle the gun?

Jim

Wolfolson
September 10, 2008, 07:22 PM
If thet do not find the form 4 do not mess with it.

ISC
September 10, 2008, 08:14 PM
after the receiver is destroyed it's just parts. The same parts any 12 year old you can buy through the mail if he saves his paper route and grass cutting money. Parts are not controlled unless there is some evidence of intent to manufacture.

I have a AK47 parts kit that I bought a while back. If I had an AKM-47 and decided later that I was taking too much of a chance by owning it and cut up the receiver, there'd be no difference between the two kits.

aroundlsu
September 10, 2008, 09:46 PM
The serial number and a thirty second call to (304) 616-4500 from a pay phone would answer A LOT of questions. They will either ask for your name or say "No record for that number". I've done it dozens of times while waiting for Form 4s to get into the system. It's really no big deal. If they ask for your name you can just make one up and they'll say "I don't have that weapon under that name at this time." That means they have it under someone elses name (probably your grandfather) and you're in business.

FWIW, the ATF guidebook says to contact them to arrange for disposal of an illegal weapon.

Many rare machine guns were registered during the amnesty period. There is as good of a chance it was registered as it wasn't. SAR magazine has an awesome belt fed that was registered during the amnesty in this months issue.

David Hineline
September 11, 2008, 12:54 PM
When was the last time anyone saw a payphone?

w_houle
September 11, 2008, 01:11 PM
I see a payphone every time I check my mail.
This sounds like a big can of worms, and unfortunately there isn't an answer that will let you walk away with that gun.

johnwilliamson062
September 11, 2008, 01:55 PM
I know what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't drive to Mexico and try to sell it to one of those wealthy drug lords in a big mansion for a few thousand dollars. I trust the ATF to do what is right and allow it to go into a museum and not cut it up.
What ever happened to that Alvin York gun?

HKuser
September 11, 2008, 02:16 PM
I trust the ATF to do what is right and allow it to go into a museum and not cut it up.

Actually, if it's forfeited and as described, the ATF would probably put it in THEIR collection.

Crosshair
September 12, 2008, 12:19 AM
When was the last time anyone saw a payphone?
Last week, why?

rem870hunter
September 12, 2008, 09:55 PM
SHHHHH, you didn't find anything, and i didn't read that you did either. find some ammo and take it to a place with alot of land and blast away with it.

IdahoG36
September 12, 2008, 11:29 PM
SHHHHH, you didn't find anything, and i didn't read that you did either. find some ammo and take it to a place with alot of land and blast away with it.

The only problem is that automatic gunfire has a strange way of attracting lots of attention. Just a thought.

Sturmgewehre
September 13, 2008, 08:44 AM
To those of you telling him to keep it and hide it, are you willing to serve his 10 years in prison when he gets caught with it? I didn't think so.

Don't take the advice of those who have nothing to loose in giving you extremely bad advice.

Surrender the weapon to the BATF. Trust me, there is NOTHING worth the time you'll serve in prison after being caught with it. You posted on a public forum where any LEO can easily track who you are that you're in possession of a likely illegal MG.

If it's not in your possession, don't take it into your possession. Whoever is in possession of it needs to surrender it immediately.

Stagger Lee
September 13, 2008, 09:13 AM
Can we stop pretending that this guy really has a NIB MG42 now? Even the OP troller appears to have tired of the game. :rolleyes:

Ricklin
September 13, 2008, 09:28 AM
Thanks Stagger Lee, I can't believe that this idocy now consumes two pages. I do all of my trolling for Salmon.

johnwilliamson062
September 13, 2008, 09:59 PM
Trolls make some of the best topics though. At least the most entertaining. Seriously though, no one knows what's up with the Alvin York gun?

Johnny Guest
September 14, 2008, 08:46 AM
Let’s give it the benefit of a doubt and say this topic is on the up-and-up.

There’s been some good advice about how to safely surrender or otherwise dispose of an illegal machine gun. Likewise, there’s an off chance that it is a legally held, registered item. There’s only one way to find out, but in any case, unless it IS legally registered and transferable, there’s no legal way you can keep such a piece.

On the other hand, let me remind everyone here: It is against TFL policy and rules to advocate, encourage, or further any illegal activity. Besides, to do so is just plain stupid. I seriously doubt any board member would be dumb enough to take such advice, but if he did, you’d be partly responsible for getting someone into bad trouble. Besides, such posts aren’t that clever in the first place.

Let’s be clear here: Next time there’s a “It’s worth a lotta money -- sell it illegally” post, or a “Hide it and shoot it” post, the member posting same WILL be banned. No PM, no e-mail, no warning. THIS is the warning.

People, look - - I don’t like the way MANY laws are structured. I hold no brief for regulatory agencies who create penal laws by simply publishing a memo. It sucks, okay? But this is the system under which we operate. TFL will NOT tolerate members advocating violation of the law. Now, please, don’t send me a PM saying, “Hey, I was just joking.” Just let it pass and go on to other matters.

If this posting offends anyone, too bad. If you’re so miffed you leave in a huff, good riddance.

Please, friends - - Don’t test this. It would be unrewarding.

This topic is plumb wore out. CLOSED.

Johnny Guest
TFL Staff