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SecurityPillow
August 26, 2008, 10:01 PM
Hello Everyone,

I recently designed a memory foam pillow that safely & comfortably holds most handguns. This pillow also has the ability to store valuables as a theft deterrent. I am currently in the Research & Development stages of this project, and looking for feedback. There is no product currently for sale and there may not be for quite some time. I am not "Spamming" here!

Please click the following link for the details. Click "Skip Intro" if it takes too long to load...

http://www.SecurityPillow.com

What are your thoughts on this concept? Any suggestions or advice? I understand that this concept is not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but I would appreciate if you would at least keep your comments respectful and constructive.

Thank you for your time!

The Security Pillow TM
"Sleep Tight."
Pat. Pending

KChen986
August 26, 2008, 10:10 PM
Does the 'stretch to fit' holster allow for a quick and snag free deployment of the pistol? I'd imagine something stretching around a handgun may lead to snags....

forest15
August 26, 2008, 10:11 PM
Looks like a great product, would also be good for traveling, when staying in hotels and what-not. Any idea on possible price? And if this works out, when would they be available?

ISC
August 26, 2008, 10:22 PM
As long as you can keep it cheap people will likely buy it. maybe having a simplified version cheaper and a king size version for more. An additional throw pillow model for the living room might be good, just be sure to include some legal disclaimor about leaving loaded guns accessible to children in the packaging and on the site. \

Also, cut out the intro completely on the site, alot of people won't wait for it and will never see your product.

just my thoughts.

Smaug
August 26, 2008, 10:34 PM
I share the concern with KChen. It looks snag-tastic.

Other than that, great!

Scattergun Bob
August 26, 2008, 10:58 PM
I like it, what is the price point, are you in manufacturing?

ThePBM
August 26, 2008, 11:52 PM
I'd much rather have a "SecurityPillowCase" because I would hate to have to choose comfort of my pillow based on a small (if any) selection. Not everyone likes memory foam.

B.A.
August 27, 2008, 02:18 AM
Incredible!

When I first saw the title of this thread, I almost soiled my keyboard laughing. A handgun pillow design. Now there's something!
Thinking I might have come across the early stages of a worthy successor to that ghecko45 guy with the combat wheel barrow, I had to give it a go.
Upon seeing it, I was almost certain it was a troll or someone trying to spread a virus (first post, attached link) and then realised, through the replies, it was for real and you're serious!

Don't get me wrong, however, I mean no disrespect and to each his own and horses for courses and all that.

But a handgun pillow... I just have to chuckle. What next? Kevlar pyjamas? Sorry, just kidding.

Seriously, though, SecurityPillow, best of luck with your venture and hope you fare well with it. I just had to comment.

(I might have to add one of those disclaimers about "if you take offense to anything in the above post, my sincere apologies are offered, since none was intended" as a tag line)

SecurityPillow
August 27, 2008, 02:20 AM
Thanks for all of your feedback! The "stretch-to-fit" holster is made out of extremely durable spandex material. The slick surface of the spandex allows for the handgun to be easily removed but the material is durable enough to last for years. The sock is also permanently fixed inside of the pillow and can not be removed. I recommend placing your thumb over the "Hammer" of the handgun when drawing it from the pillow if applicable. This speeds up the process and deters snagging.

We hope to have this product available for sale within the next 12 months. We are still in negotiations with several manufacturers and have not pinpointed the exact retail price of The Security Pillow. Our goal is to make it as cheap as possible without sacrificing quality or longevity. It shouldn't be any more expensive than other high quality memory foam pillows.

Eventually there will be many variations of The Security Pillow to suit the individual needs of the customer. i.e. Body Pillow, Throw Pillow, Contour Pillow, Down w/ foam core, king size, queen size, etc.

FXWG
August 27, 2008, 03:04 AM
Let me know when they are ready for sale!
wrg@comcast.net

evan1293
August 27, 2008, 03:38 AM
I think its a great idea and I'd be very interested in one when they become available.

Just last night I was thinking to myself about a little problem I face at my apartment when it comes to defending myself. My wife and I sleep in our room with the door shut. We have a window air conditioning unit in our room that runs all night. The problem I face is that the only door to our apartment is as far away from our bedroom as possible. If someone were to break in and they did so without making too much noise, I wouldn't be able to hear them until they opened our bedroom door. Accessing a firearm from the night stand may be impossible given that the intruder is already in the room. The security pillow would be a great solution to my problem.

imthegrumpyone
August 27, 2008, 04:21 AM
:confused::(:confused:

Playboypenguin
August 27, 2008, 04:23 AM
This is just me, but I personally would never place a gun inside a pillow knowing my partner was sleeping on the other side of me. So anyone that buys one of these please keep in mind to place the pillow to where the barrel faces off your side of the bed and not towards your other half.

flyby
August 27, 2008, 06:39 AM
I like it..neat concept..
I,ve imagined before if something like this were both possible and practical.

Also PBP brought up a strong point ..maybe produce them in both right and left handed so people wouldn't have change which side of the bed they sleep on :) ..then again I'm fairly ambidextrous with handguns.

Personally I'd rather the gun were more towards the rear closer to where the mags are..I wouldn't need all the spare mags, Of course those chambers could be left empty also.

C Philip
August 27, 2008, 07:11 AM
Also PBP brought up a strong point ..maybe produce them in both right and left handed so people wouldn't have change which side of the bed they sleep on ..then again I'm fairly ambidextrous with handguns.Or perhaps instead of having to make two models, just have one model with holes to reach into the central pocket on either side of the pillow.

Once you have a prototype ready, it would be neat to see a video of someone actually drawing from it to see how it works.

Bear Claw Chris
August 27, 2008, 07:16 AM
Accident waiting to happen.......... :eek:

PSP
August 27, 2008, 07:30 AM
Gives new meaning to the phrase "pillow fight". :D

This isn't something I'm wanting for the security of my own home, but I could see me using something like this when traveling and staying in motels.

Saab1911
August 27, 2008, 08:07 AM
Any money that is made from this pocket will line the pockets of a fat cat
lawyer.

Keltyke
August 27, 2008, 08:11 AM
I got a gun only inches under my head while asleep??? Just how easy does the safety of that semi slip off? How light IS that trigger in SA? How easy can the hammer of that revolver be thumbed back? Watch yourself if you're the type to sleep with one hand under your head. I can see it now, "Suicide by pillow."

My last stand piece is in a proper holster with a retention strap and it's fastened securely to the headboard, above our heads. The muzzle points straight up. It's drawn by reaching up, grabbing the butt, opening the strap with the thumb, and pulling the piece down and out. It's the same motion as drawing it from a belt holster position. The muzzle never sweeps either of us. It takes a conscientious effort to bring it into play.

Guns under pillows may look cool in movies, but as someone already said, it's an AD waiting to happen.

johnboy1981
August 27, 2008, 08:54 AM
If your like me I am constantly flipping my pillow over to find that cool spot on the pillow. I would hate to have to wake up and try to find which way my firearm is facing while im half way awake.

Sturmgewehre
August 27, 2008, 09:19 AM
Thinking I might have come across the early stages of a worthy successor to that ghecko45 guy with the combat wheel barrow, I had to give it a go.

You've confused two internet legends. Gecko45 was the original Mall Ninja and Gunkid was the "combat wheel barrow" guy.

Brian Pfleuger
August 27, 2008, 09:23 AM
In the interest of eliminating a fight before it starts, I'd eliminate/change the picture of the BG at the beginning. Someone is going to say "I can't believe you used a person of race X for your BG" It may not even be Race X or even look like it to everyone else but there's always somebody. Anyone remember the thread about the BG target?

Saab1911
August 27, 2008, 09:28 AM
Upon seeing it, I was almost certain it was a troll or someone trying to spread a virus (first post, attached link)


Is that why my computer tells me that it loves me and that I need male
enhancement in the worst way?

Selfdfenz
August 27, 2008, 09:35 AM
More than once I've seen rusted or pitted firearms that were stored between bed mattresses. If the humidity in the dwelling is periodically high I guess it must get trapped in the matress hence the problem.

So...in using this product you're going to store a firearm in an enviroment that get a humidity recharge (expiration) every 24 hours and also happens to discharge that humidity slowly?

If not addressed in your product design you should expect to pay for having lots of firearms refinished or replaced. I won't even address the issue of security of weapon when you are away from the dwelling, around kids etc.

S-

Jon-m
August 27, 2008, 09:38 AM
This seems very unnecessary to me...and more than a little bit dangerous.
How is this pillow safer/faster/better than a properly holstered gun in a nightstand or attached to a headboard?
I can understand wanting fast access to a pistol at night, but honestly, putting one under your head?
If anything, I think this would make quick access to a weapon more difficult/dangerous than if you had it safely secured in a nightstand.

I can't honestly say that I'd ever be comfortable having a loaded weapon under my head while I'm unconscious either. Especially if I was sharing that bed with another person.

Brian Pfleuger
August 27, 2008, 09:50 AM
There will be any number of people telling you that this is a bad idea for one reason or another. Do the best you can with it. Make up your own mind. Check out costs of insurance and other things, if you haven't already, and run with it. Make sure to protect yourself from liability. You could be sued for everything from a neck ache your pillow caused to a BG saying he got shot because your pillow made the gun to accessible. Law suits don't have to make sense but you have to defend against them. Insurance for firearms related items is going to be stratospheric but you'll definitely need it.

CortJestir
August 27, 2008, 10:05 AM
Well, if there's a market...

I say good luck to you. I'm sure there are folks that literally do sleep with a gun under their pillow. Might as well make it as safe as possible.

New_Pollution1086
August 27, 2008, 10:29 AM
Finally a place to put the remote without losing it while I sleep.:D.

Thats a good idea though, i don't know that it would work for me, I move around a lot while I sleep, the pillow needs to be comfortable in any angle and I don't think this product will be, but a throw pillow version however...

T

TwoKings
August 27, 2008, 10:43 AM
This is just me, but I personally would never place a gun inside a pillow knowing my partner was sleeping on the other side of me. So anyone that buys one of these please keep in mind to place the pillow to where the barrel faces off your side of the bed and not towards your other half.


I feel the same. Plus, I could just never sleep well knowing a gun is in my pillow. I would be worried about some sort of freak accident that would kill me.

SecurityPillow
August 27, 2008, 03:44 PM
Quote:
Bear Claw Chris
Accident waiting to happen..........

Could you please elaborate? The Security Pillow is just as safe as wearing the gun on your hip, shoulder, or any other holster for that matter.

Quote:
Saab1911
Lawsuits anyone?
Any money that is made from this pocket will line the pockets of a fat cat
lawyer.

The Security Pillow will be used at ones own risk. There will be proper legal disclosures and insurance to handle this. Let's face it the pillow is not more dangerous than the gun.

Quote:
Johnm
This seems very unnecessary to me...and more than a little bit dangerous.
How is this pillow safer/faster/better than a properly holstered gun in a nightstand or attached to a headboard?
I can understand wanting fast access to a pistol at night, but honestly, putting one under your head?
If anything, I think this would make quick access to a weapon more difficult/dangerous than if you had it safely secured in a nightstand.
I can't honestly say that I'd ever be comfortable having a loaded weapon under my head while I'm unconscious either. Especially if I was sharing that bed with another person.


We are most vulnerable while asleep. The Security Pillow is the most efficient place to safely store your firearm. If an assailant gets the jump on you and you only have a split second to react then a safe, bedside table, under the bed, or in the closet just wont cut it. Besides tons of people already sleep with a gun under their pillow. This is just a safer way to do it.

BillCA
August 27, 2008, 04:22 PM
Interesting idea.

As others have pointed out, there are some inherent weaknesses that doesn't make it suitable for everyone.

Like one poster, I flip my pillow at night sometimes to find a "cool spot". I also tend to wake up with my pillow folded in half to support my head because I'm a side-sleeper. This pillow won't work for me.

Your literature will have to point out that a semiauto pistol should not have a round in the chamber, for safety/liability reasons. Nor should any firearm be stored inside in a cocked position. :eek:

Bad side for hotel use is that the pillow will be heavier than normal which may arouse the housekeeper's suspicions. Best to store it in the closet before leaving the room.

Personally, I don't see a much superior advantage to the pillow over a bedside holstered gun, one in a nightstand drawer or in a headboard compartment.

Wake up, reailze threat. Grope in the dark to find the open end of the pillowcase. Pull up or down on the security flap. Reach in to find the gun, put thumb on hammer & withdraw the gun. Chamber a round w/semi-auto.

The pillow doesn't allow you to lie in bed nearly still while you draw the weapon from it's place, like a bedside holster. It is not possible to reach into the pillow while laying on it (unless you're much more flexible than I am).

Lastly... the corrosion concern. Most people's body temp rises slightly during sleep. Some of you may prespire when sleeping too. Worst of all, many people who are belly-sleepers or side-sleepers, especially seniors, may drool on their pillows at night. An older neighbor of mine launders his pillowcases (and pillowslips) every other day because of this.

Stone Cold
August 27, 2008, 05:18 PM
I'm a drooler. I'm not sure if a vapor barrier would work or not. I also can't be sure I wouldn't be dreaming a sweet dream, squeezing something nice and feminine, and BLOW MY BRAINS OUT! :eek: I'm also right handed and sleep on the left side of the bed. That means to grip the pistol without turning it inside the pillow, it would have to be aimed at my darling wife's head.:rolleyes: Better go back to the drawing board, or price the thing so you can buy several million $ in liability insurance.

Tom2
August 27, 2008, 05:41 PM
I can just see someone reaching inside in a panic, grasping the pistol, and pointing the pillow at a burglar, saying, "don't make me use this!":D

Recon7
August 27, 2008, 05:54 PM
Would the pillow then work like a silencer like in the movies?:D

kozak6
August 27, 2008, 06:58 PM
First, the website.

The intro is unnecessary, and all of the really slow animation on the page itself takes too long and is even a little obnoxious.

A non-flash version of the page would be great.

The resources page isn't very good. The little white squares make it look incomplete, and they aren't obviously links.

About the pillow, I don't like it and won't buy one. I really don't feel good about having a gun pointed at myself or loved ones.

I toss and turn all night, flip my pillow to the cool side often, change positions, and that pillow ends up moving around quite a bit. I'd probably lose track of which side to reach into, and then grab it upside down, as opposed to a pistol in a fixed location, pointed in a safe direction.

I don't know much about crime or law enforcement, but isn't it not uncommon for burglars to use pillowcases to carry off loot? It would be a shame to arm them or give them other valuables one was specifically trying to hide right off the bat.

Also, I sweat like crazy and occasionally drool in my sleep. How much of a problem would moisure be?

Guns stored in cases and the like also have problems with rust. Have you put any thought into maybe using some kind of silicon impregnated cloth or possibly some sort of desiccant?

robhof
August 27, 2008, 07:26 PM
The pillow would make an excellent silencer and flash hider, resulting in legal problems if you snuff the bad guy with a silenced weapon and no ATF stamp. It would dramatically affect accuracy and not in a good way.

jaydubya
August 27, 2008, 07:55 PM
Someone said: I can't honestly say that I'd ever be comfortable having a loaded weapon under my head while I'm unconscious.

I concur. I commend the op on his capitalist spirit, but I also think the market for this pillow will be very small. So small it might become a capital cannibal.

I base my home security at night on concentric locked zones, with handguns in strategic places throughout.

Cordially, Jack

bushidomosquito
August 27, 2008, 08:00 PM
I appreciate your idea and ingenuity but for most of us in the gun community there is no need for something like this. We tend to be prepared and cautious folks. Most of us have taken measures to ensure that no one short of an honest to god real deal ninja or a mission impossible team is going to make their way inside our homes and be standing over us with a garrot in their hands before we wake up. Hell, the way I have it set up I would be allerted soon enough to wake up, call the police, brush my teeth and load a SAA revolver before anyone made it to the bedroom. This just seems like an idea designed to make up for a total lack of security preparation and a gun should be the last line of defense, not the first. I guess the big question would be can you find a single incident where someone was harmed because they could not get to a gun on a nightstand or bedside holster soon enough?

There might however, be a small market for the mall ninja crowd. Lucky for you most of them sleep alone.

dbldblu
August 28, 2008, 05:36 PM
I used to keep a handgun on the headboard shelf of my waterbed. I did so for a long time. Then, one morning, I awoke to find the handgun under the covers down by my knee. Apparently my hand fell upon it during the night and I did God only knows what before leaving it where described. I no longer keep any firearms within arms reach while sleeping.

Tom2
August 28, 2008, 05:55 PM
You know besides all the pooh poohing, I would think that any sort of usable pistol accessory will sell some as there are alot more people out there than are on this board. I think they will sell. Just that I don't know if it will sell enough to make a break even or profit. Some folks do sleep with guns under the pillow, I suppose, so why not inside if it gives more sure access to it? I keep one on the nightstand and then it is stored well out of sight during the day. I have also seen holsters that mount on the side of the mattress. Well whatever, it has to be in the same place all the time or if you wake up in the middle of the night, you might take awhile to figure out where you have been putting it. I don't have one, but I think the best security is a big ol' barky dog in the house at night, better than a thousand dollar security system, and cheaper than that or an armed guard patrolling in a gated community. If the dog barks and makes a fuss at 3 AM and wakes me up in time before someone can breach my exterior he has payed for himself many times over. When I get into a situation that I can keep a dog, that will be seriously considered. And I don't mean an expensive trained attack dog or a dinky little nervous dog that barks at birds and crickets all night either.

BillCoe
August 28, 2008, 07:10 PM
Well I like it, and it has the added benefit that you could stuff the pillow under your dress and look pregnant. Course I'm a dude so that may be a bit awkward. :barf:

I don't think that my wife would like it, and I pretty sure that the 2 much abused Jack Russells could find a way to pop the dominant cat if they found out how to do so. :eek::D

Sparky33
August 28, 2008, 07:25 PM
oh man, 1st thing that came to mind.......combat wheel barrow! Someone else mentioned it earlier on but before I opened this I was thinking the same thing.

Serious though, I much prefer the holster mounted to the back of a headboard or in a nightstand drawer. Also I like my pillows thin, so its either too thick for my taste or the slide is goona be digging into my face. Good concept but I think it might execute poorly

B.N.Real
August 28, 2008, 07:59 PM
I hope you make a million dollars.

I can't wait to see your ad on the tv and to tell my wife I read about you right here on the Firing Line Forums.

Great luck with it.

SecurityPillow
August 28, 2008, 09:00 PM
Quote:
bushidomosquito
I guess the big question would be can you find a single incident where someone was harmed because they could not get to a gun on a nightstand or bedside holster soon enough?

Yes I can give you a real example of this. In fact it happened in my neck of the woods...

http://godspath.com/News/Pages/semiautomatic_gun_under_pillow_f.htm

treg
August 28, 2008, 09:18 PM
Internet poster to Gaston Glock:

"***? Ain't no one in America ever gonna buy a PLASTIC pistol! HAH HAH HAH HAH....."


Best wishes for your venture.

WINSTON THE WOLF
August 28, 2008, 10:15 PM
:eek: banging in the bedroom. Might have a new and unexpected meaning.:eek:

johnwilliamson062
August 28, 2008, 10:46 PM
For a single person this might not be abad idea. A lot of safety concerns. I hope you take time to address them or have one hell of a good disclaimer.

Hammerless revolver and don't even deal with pulling it? As long as there isn't so much tension the cylinder won't turn inside the pillow it should work great.

I would never go this rout, but I would also never buy an AR except possibly for competitive range shooting. Obviously many don't agree with me there either.

waytoofunky
August 31, 2008, 09:21 AM
Oh. my gosh. I think I'd feel safer with no gun then a gun directly under my head, and pointed at my wife.
:confused:

I'd never sleep well again!

hogdogs
August 31, 2008, 09:54 AM
And what about when me and momma (REALLY IT IS JUST ME) decide a pillow fight is in order? Hey I am a kid at heart...
Brent

right winger
August 31, 2008, 03:24 PM
I want a couple. please email at murphysdad02@yahoo.com
when the go on sale.:)

ElectricHellfire
August 31, 2008, 09:59 PM
Pretty ingenious but my wife would probably prefer not having my Glock 21 pointed at her face during my turbulent sleepy times.

Stone Cold
September 1, 2008, 11:59 AM
The other thing, if you use your pillows during amorous undertakings (hey, sometimes things need padding and/or propping), you may have to keep a few "conventional" pillows on hand, possibly under the bed, for easy, quick access.

ZeSpectre
September 1, 2008, 12:54 PM
I think the idea is NUTZ! However I also think that people coming up with stuff like this also come up with other things that turn out to be FANTASTIC ideas so keep on trying!

ElectricHellfire
September 1, 2008, 05:23 PM
if you use your pillows during amorous undertakings

ROFL! True but a most amusing way to put it. :D

Kreyzhorse
September 1, 2008, 06:22 PM
if you use your pillows during amorous undertakings

Funny....... I won't add to it by discussing N.D.s though..... :D

rogertc1
September 2, 2008, 06:14 AM
A good ideal however I am not that paranoid living in a low crime area and have a dog.
Could be marketed as a safe place for valuables too. A hotel room traveling buddy.

.22lr
September 3, 2008, 03:08 PM
PILLOW FIGHT!
In all seriousness though, I think this is a bad idea as you would have to permanently fix the pillow to the bed so you'd know what side of the pillow the opening is on. That and the ability for it to snag in the pillow, etc just seems like a very elaborate and somewhat iffy to a problem that is better served by good locks, a loud alarm and a great dog (dogs in general all are, except the tiny yippy ones. Also, lets not overlook that there are generally more than one pillow on the bed (My beautiful wife has decreed that here should be more pillows, I think we are up to 5 now). "stay right there while I try another pillow!" oh yeah, sleepwalkers should probably stay away too.

But other posters hit the nail on the head, its your product and business, i neither gain nor suffer from your endeavor, but my opinion is that I think it would be of dubious benefit, and that the lawyers would tear the waivers you'd have people sign to shreds

wookie810
September 4, 2008, 01:17 AM
I can just see this on an A&E crime special now. Man convicted of murdering his wife. Claims that he accidentally shot his wife while sleeping because of his gun pillow. Prosecutors nail him on it. He continues to plead his innocence to no avail. Just seems like an accident waiting to happen. And the guy that was getting robbed in the hotel room was awake at the time. And how coincidental is it that the guy robbing him made him lay right next to the pistol? If he would have been carrying it they wouldn't have even made it past the door. He did have a CCW permit as the article states.

Hemicuda
September 9, 2008, 11:13 AM
Cost my man, we need a preliminary cost... and when might they be actually available..

nra_guns_winner
September 9, 2008, 12:14 PM
No reason to even remove the pistol from the pillow. (Unless you have a semi auto) Your already going to have a mess to clean up if you must use it.

ISC
January 5, 2009, 10:46 PM
hmmm

Tucker 1371
January 5, 2009, 11:30 PM
I'm just picturing all kinds of ways that might cause an accident. I have really intense dreams too (not that kind :eek:) and God only knows what I might do in my sleep. Ill keep my HD gun propped in the corner next to my bed, that's quick enough for any scenario I might face.

scorpion_tyr
January 5, 2009, 11:33 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks having a loaded firearm pointed at your head is a bad idea.

Gunlocator
January 6, 2009, 01:59 AM
Here is the way i see it. I think you have a product that some will buy. However even with disclaimers and liability insurance that does not mean you will not get sued. Anyone can sue and I can assure you some attorney will find a legit reason your product is unsafe and I would hate to see anyones fate in the hands of a jury that may rule a judgement higher than your liability insurance and you loose everything you have. And with this design I can clearly see this happening. I dont think it will take a rocket scientist to see this is a accident waiting to happen. I do wish you the best in your venture but feel your risk are way too high on this. I have a digital safe next to my bed I can reach over and key in the code in total darkness in seconds out of a dead sleep. You can ask my wife I have done it several times when she has woken me saying she heard a noise or I woke up for one reason or another. I think with self training and close location of a secured firearm you would be MUCH better off than with a design like yours and a lot safer. Just my $.02