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ump45
August 16, 2008, 12:10 AM
How many of you that NORMALLY carry a handgun with a 15/16/17 round magazine (and no spare magazine) would feel uncomfortable carrying a handgun with a 8 round magazine and a spare 8 round magazine (to equal 16+1 total).

The total round count is approx the same.

Striker071
August 16, 2008, 12:41 AM
Fight the way you train and train the way you fight. If that makes any sense. I have trained with 1 mag in the gun and two extras. number of rounds isnt really critical. You just have to know how many you have and be darn sure you are aware if things get heated. If your gun is empty you might as well have a rock. Know people that carry mags alll over the place... they feel what they carry isnt enough... comes down to what you feel comfortable with

Threefeathers
August 16, 2008, 09:54 AM
When I carried my 1911, or Detonics I carried a spare mag and it often got in the way. That is one reason I went for a Sig 229 and a HK P2K.

Hemicuda
August 16, 2008, 10:27 AM
9 times out of 10, when a semi-autoi had a feed problem, it is the magazine...

If I'm carrying a semi, I am carrying a spare mag... it is as easy as that...

NOW, with my little Smith snubby, I USUALLY carry a speed-strip with 6 extra rounds, BUT, if it isn't easy to do (no watch pocket) then I WILL carry it with just the 5 in the gun... (if it takes more than 5 to fix the problem, then I shouldn't be in that gunfight!)

Keltyke
August 16, 2008, 12:23 PM
Stryker071 says it right. Train to fight with what you carry. I usually have a 10+1 pistol, but sometimes carry a 5 shot snubbie revolver. I confess that, when I do, I'm a little more conscious of my limited round count.

fastbolt
August 16, 2008, 12:49 PM
... NORMALLY carry a handgun with a 15/16/17 round magazine (and no spare magazine) ...

I don't normally carry a pistol without a spare magazine. Resolving a magazine-related functioning issue is generally most easily and quickly resolved with a spare magazine.

Think a magazine-related functioning issue can't occur? Spend more time at the range watching LE and CCW folks qualifying with their carry equipment. ;)

Sheer 'capacity' doesn't cause me to lose sleep. I've carried issued pistols with magazine capacities of 15, 14, 12, 9, 8 and presently 7 rounds. I've carried personally-owned pistols with magazine capacities of 12, 10, 9, 8, 7 & even 6 rounds.

I used to carry a 6-shot .357 Magnum as an issued revolver, and still carry a revolver off-duty more often than not ... and it has a 5-shot capacity.

So, capacity doesn't cause me to stay awake at night thinking about it.

Knowledge, awareness, skills, accuracy, firearms maintenance and a suitable carry method for my needs continue to occupy my attention, though.

jfrey123
August 16, 2008, 01:13 PM
The only way I'm ok with a reduced magazine is if it's due to a limited grip size.

Example: I would not carry an 8 round magazine in my full size Glock 17. That gun is designed with a large grip for the sole purpose of carrying 17 rounds and that's how I'd carry it. Why deal with the wasted space?

If you want a semi with two smaller mags, carry a compact version like a G26. That's the only time I will voluntarily carry a smaller mag (unless camping in California has neutered my magazine :mad: )

Pat-inCO
August 16, 2008, 03:37 PM
I have trained with 1 mag in the gun and two extras. number of rounds isn't really critical. You just have to know how many you have and be darn sure you are aware if things get heated.
Not entirely so. I do agree that you will fight the way you train. The part where I disagree is that when you train consistently with the same number of rounds in every mag, you come to a point where you "know" when the mag is running dry.

In other words, you learn to subconsciously count. In those cases you are reaching for the next mag before you - really - need it.

I have both seven and eight round mag's for my 1911 and I've literally had the next mag ready just before the last shot. I always load seven, no matter what the mag will hold.

jabineer
August 16, 2008, 05:23 PM
My primary holster is the Smart Carry V so it's easy to carry a spare mag. When I carry my G19 I've got 15 loaded (I do not carry +1 anymore) and 15 in reserve. With my G36, it's 6 loaded and 7 round extended mag as a spare.

I practice speed loading with one round chambered so I don't have to rack the slide leaving my actual round carry count -1.

FM12
August 16, 2008, 10:04 PM
You can never have too much ammo.

You might have not enough.

Carry what is needed for the expected situation, never any less: sometimes a 5 shot snubby and no reloads, sometimes a high cap semi and three mags, minimum.

Don't be paranoid, but do be prepared.

Striker071
August 16, 2008, 10:30 PM
PAt- what I meant is ... number you have isnt critcal meaning 7 round magazine 12 round 17 round. Of course you want to have the magazines you do carry full. You have to be aware of total numbers ... if one mag then you have 8 13, 17 or whatever and be aware if you are getting close to empty. I carry three magazines... I know from experience if I am on the 3rd mag and the fight is not resolved it may be a time to use the last magazine to get you away from the fight and control the rounds you use.

So no I dont advocate putting 3 rounds in a magazine and calling it a day. You train full ... you fight full.

The point I was trying to make is it is a persons choice as to carry extra mags or speed loaders.

Ok Pat.. you train with 7 and you fight with seven.... that is the critical part. I agree with that mode of thinking 100%..

tshadow6
August 17, 2008, 01:27 PM
The Bersa .380 CC I carry holds 8 in the mag +1 in the pipe. I keep a spare 8 round mag in my other pocket for a total of 17 rounds. I feel rather safe with that ammo count.

fjk1911
August 17, 2008, 02:06 PM
Two 1911's, spare mag each. BUG 340CT, two HKS speedloaders.

Keltyke
August 17, 2008, 02:16 PM
Two 1911's, spare mag each. BUG 340CT, two HKS speedloaders.

Give me a break! All that in CT??? Where do you live, the middle of Gangland?

fjk1911
August 17, 2008, 02:28 PM
Hardly.

Unfortunately there were nine shootings in the Hartford area last weekend - most during a community event in mid-afternoon. Still counting this weekend. Police have put a 9 o'clock curfew in place to try to control it. Then we can look at New Haven, Bridgeport and New London.

I may not live in those cities proper - in fact 45 mins away from Hartford on the water. I do suspect BGs have cars and travel though. We have had our share of bad stuff locally. When you live on the NYC - Boston corridor life is different that in Greenville - Spartanburg and we assess threats a bit more conservatively. If you are going to carjack a car would you go after a Kia or Mercedes?

fjk1911
August 17, 2008, 02:36 PM
I suspect most people do not realize that Hartford is majority Hispanic and that New Haven is an illegal alien "sanctuary city" when illegals have city issued ID cards.

Living in a blue state is not peaches and cream.

Yes, the two 1911's and one 340 are my daily carry weapons.

Ever known a helpless female giftstore owner beaten by an aluminum baseball bat in the head while people watched? Yeah, he got 17 years. She got a ruined life. This happened in one of the most affluent little shopping districts at noon. Not one bystander would even throw a rock at the scumbag. By the time the cops came she was within a thread of dying. She is no longer an anti-gunner but was a flaming liberal before.

Keltyke
August 17, 2008, 07:31 PM
Unfortunately there were nine shootings in the Hartford area last weekend - most during a community event in mid-afternoon.

Wow! I'da never thought...everyone has to carry to meet the threat in their area. Have you considered an Uzi? :D

Keep safe.

fjk1911
August 17, 2008, 07:54 PM
Most people don't think of some areas as being so trouble prone. I mean Hartford is the insurance HQ of the country right? Far from NYC, etc.

Recently heard that Denver has a huge illegal problem and the crime that goes with it. I fly in and out of there all winter and never gave it no never mind in my travels. Driving out to Vail at night, stopping anywhere for gas, etc. not really thing of a threat level.

My friends in and around Houston tell me that the Katrina leftovers have spiced up that area as well.

In New Haven they have started "ride by shootings". Yep, the shooter is on a bicycle which is supposedly easier to get away on and harder to identify - "I think it was some dark skinned dude with a hat on sideways on a blue bike" versus "a blue Caddy with a license plate starting with ABC with four bruvas, two with grills..." I kid you not. it sucks.

dabigguns357
August 17, 2008, 09:22 PM
As most of ya'll know i carry snubbie 357 but don't carry more than whats in my gun.How many out there do carry an extra speed loader in your pocket.

PaulBk
August 17, 2008, 09:30 PM
Yes, the two 1911's and one 340 are my daily carry weapons.

How the heck can you conceal all that when the temp is pushing 90? Just curious...

-Paul

fjk1911
August 17, 2008, 10:05 PM
Actually not hard at all depending on dress requirements... quite a few combinations.

I can get by most days with 5.11 tactical shorts / pants and I go with Galco Skyops IWB LH and RH for the 1911's, the 340 in the right front pocket and the mags and HKS speedloaders in the pouches up front - golf shirt out usually. In the 5.11 covert pants and tucked in dressier shirts, the Galco Skyops IWB works great on both sides with IWB mag holders and allows tucked shirts. Speedloaders stay home. Have a couple ankle rigs for the 340 as well and Sparks VMII with Kydex clips that I find to be a pain.

SigTac makes some nice CCW leather and cotton twill jackets for colder weather and the compression undershirts work pretty too.


Best regards.

hoytinak
August 17, 2008, 10:15 PM
HK P2000SK 9mm 10 +1

Ruger LCP .380 Auto 6 +1

SW1911PD commander .45ACP 8 +1

No matter what I'm carrying I carry the mag in the gun +1 on my person....I do have a couple of extra mags in the truck for what ever I'm carrying though.

ISC
August 18, 2008, 09:11 AM
I usually just have the 10 rd mag in my keltec with a 15 rd reload in my glove box. When I run I only have the 5 rds in my NAA mini revolver.

I never put much credence in the statements of people that claim to carry multiple guns and magazines. I figure they are either paranoid flakes or full of crap internet commandos that meant to say, "If I ever actually went out and wasn't behind my computer most of the time I'd have..... with me". The odds are much greater that carrying extra mags and large caliber weapons will cause you to print enough to get made as being armed (and subsequently become the first target in any sort of armed confrontation).

Additionally, having all that extra crap means that you're less likely to actually be carrying when you need it.

The Great Mahoo
August 18, 2008, 10:28 AM
My usual carry guns are low-capacity ones. A 5-shot .357 and 6+1 .45ACP. I don't carry reloads on me at present, but keep some in my vehicle (which may or may not be with me.) I've been reconsidering carrying reloads lately, after reading what others carry, but haven't been so motivated to buy any belt-rigs yet, and my pockets fill up fast.

Personally, I don't see the need for tons of ammo for daily civilian carry, but its better to have and not need than the other way around. To each their own.

Tuckahoe
August 18, 2008, 11:09 AM
I carry my 1911 using an eight round mag and one in the pipe. I see no need for more in everyday carry.

redhart
August 18, 2008, 01:34 PM
cond. 1 w/7 rds in ultra compact v-10 plus an extra mag of 7 more rds.

rsgraebert
August 18, 2008, 01:35 PM
I carry nothing more than my 1911, 8+1, in the summer. In the winter (meaning leather coat full time while out of the house), I add one spare magazine to the mix.

I can read stories and advice until my eyes bleed, but I still can't picture myself in a situation where 9 rounds wouldn't at least get me to my car or around a corner to run the hell away.

Then again, when the going gets tough, I have taken to having my girlfriend duct tape a trauma plate to my back. The tape makes me sweat and it's hard to remove, but when you're expecting multiple .308 hits to the back, you can't be under prepared.


<couldn't resist, my humblest apologies>

andrewskaggs
August 18, 2008, 01:46 PM
Then again, when the going gets tough, I have taken to having my girlfriend duct tape a trauma plate to my back. The tape makes me sweat and it's hard to remove, but when you're expecting multiple .308 hits to the back, you can't be under prepared.

Touché, sir.

Keltyke
August 18, 2008, 02:23 PM
cond. 1 w/7 rds in ultra compact v-10 plus an extra mag of 7 more rds.

Hey redhart, how do you like that ported Springfield .45? My wife saw one in a local gun shop and just had to have it. Isn't it a sweetie to shoot? She took it and gave me the Defender.

but I still can't picture myself in a situation where 9 rounds wouldn't at least get me to my car or around a corner to run the hell away.

I agree. If 10+1 of .40 S&W doesn't save me or get me outta Dodge, I shouldn't be there to begin with.

hoytinak
August 18, 2008, 06:29 PM
Then again, when the going gets tough, I have taken to having my girlfriend duct tape a trauma plate to my back. The tape makes me sweat and it's hard to remove, but when you're expecting multiple .308 hits to the back, you can't be under prepared.


I wonder what he's up do these days...I miss reading his posts. :)

LanceOregon
August 18, 2008, 06:54 PM
I suspect most people do not realize that Hartford is majority Hispanic and that New Haven is an illegal alien "sanctuary city" when illegals have city issued ID cards.

Wow, I had no idea at all that Connecticut had become a third world state.

I think that we have to just face it and accept the fact that our nation has been successfully invaded and conquered.

And that our government did hardly anything to stop it.

.

fjk1911
August 18, 2008, 07:06 PM
The mayor of New Haven, in fact, ran for governor last term and was defeated by a RINO female and the illegal alien status issue was a non-issue to these voters. In CT, the police cannot ask if you are a legal citizen or illegal alien and you need not prove it - it is not a "criminal issue" it is a "civil issue". Such a joke. Highest per capita income, highest per capita grad degrees yet we are as blue as the sky. Can't hunt with a handgun or rifle only bow or slugs.

You should need a passport to enter this place.

msb45
September 9, 2008, 11:56 PM
fjk1911 I agree with your carry choice. I carry 2 1911s and often have a KelTec in my pocket or a .38 on my ankle.

Having a more accessible gun while driving makes sense. Under a camp shirt it works just fine if you have good leather.

mrghostwalker
September 10, 2008, 11:06 AM
My Police Training Officers have a rule- if you carry a handgun you have to carry a second mag.
As has been said before- the fault of a jam- other than limp wristing- is in the mag. So for my Dept- we always carry a spare mag.
Off-duty, when I carry my 2 inch revolver (my choice, not theirs) I ALWAYS carry spare ammo in a speed loader or speed strip.

mavracer
September 10, 2008, 11:20 AM
derringer,revolver or auto, 1 gun or two I always carry a reload for what ever I carry.
total round count will vary from 6 to about 30 depending on situation.

snolden
September 11, 2008, 11:35 AM
As has been said before- the fault of a jam- other than limp wristing- is in the mag. So for my Dept- we always carry a spare mag.

+1 on this. The only reason I carry a spare mag is for a failure response. I am walking around with at least 10+1 of 9mm and usually (90%) 13+1 of .45 auto. Either of those should be nough to solve any problem I come into.

But I carry a spare mag, because the most likely cause of a failure in my weapon is the magazine.

So to answer the question, ~85% of the time I am carrying 27 .45 rounds in two mags
~10% of the time 26 9mm rounds (1-10 and 1-15 mag)
~5% both of the above guns with only the one .45 spare mag (in this case the 9mm is simply a backup) about once a month if I have to go into the city or drive long distance

and to back all that up is a folding knife 100%.

Sparks2112
September 11, 2008, 12:00 PM
Lately it's been 13+1 230gr DoubleTap GD's in a G-21SF with another 13 in a fobus mag holder (I'm buying a different mag holder fobus is crap for CCW)

I've got a 5 shot Taurus 9mm para in my left front pocket as well... Am I over prepared? :)

ringworm
September 11, 2008, 01:50 PM
i dont feel uncomfortable with the 7 rounds in the gun total.

because I know THE RULE.

Kreyzhorse
September 11, 2008, 02:03 PM
My smallest round count in a gun is 5 in my S&W 637. I carry a reload in a dump pouch. If I'm going semi-auto, I'll carry the LCP with 6+1 with a 6 round spare mag. The 1911 is 8 rounds plus a 8 round spare mag.

Funny thing is I never feel under prepared when I just carry the snub nose with a dump pouch.

45_Shooter
September 11, 2008, 04:25 PM
With my snubbies, whatevers in the gun (5 or 6), and probably a speed strip or a loader occasionally.

With 1911's, 8+1 in the gun on full sizes, 7+1 on compacts, and an 8 round reload regardless. The 1911 mags are thin so I rarely even notice, so I always carry one.

Wagonman
September 11, 2008, 08:21 PM
I usually carry my Sig DAK45 in a fanny pack w a couple of extra mags, cuffs and a flashlight. The very least I leave the house with is a j-frame in an ankle holster or a pocket.

dandydany
September 14, 2008, 06:45 PM
but after reading you guys , made up my mind for a S&W 325PD 4'' .45ACP ; say you get hit , limp wrist will get you if you were using a semi auto, even during a self defense fight. I experience limp wrist while practicing with my Glock 30 and a local friend told me about it later ....with a revolver, that will not happen; besides, you can shoot any type of ammo , lead or whatever which I cannot use in the Glock. I reload all my .45 ammo , 185 gr, 200 gr, wadcutter and 255 gr lead slug, 230 round nose, ect....I use full moon clips that I have for my Webley MK VI , one in the gun, and 4 in a belt pouch and those can be reloaded in the gun REAL fast and are not in my way. Besides, I retreive them nice and clean for reloading.. I hope to get that Smith soon, for now, I 'll use the Glock and will remember your comments about limp wrist. Real nice reading and lots of ideas ...thanks, Dan:)

d906670
September 16, 2008, 09:39 PM
Have had a clinton mag fail ( bottom blew out) at the wrong time with my BHP, I will not go out without a spare mag now.

guntotin_fool
September 16, 2008, 10:31 PM
1911 commander with a 8+1, 2 more 10 rounders in a custom back pocket wallet/mag holder... occasionally a BUG< usually on rent collection days. My brief case usually has 4 loaded mags for 1911, and that goes most of where I go. WHy? because I can.

Just to pull a buddy's leg who carries just a J frame, I showed up at his work carrying my usual load and a Galco shoulder holster with a G27 and 2 G18 33 rounds hanging from the mag pounches, yeah I made some extension snaps to hold them in, but it was more a gag.

Stevie-Ray
September 16, 2008, 10:52 PM
I carry only 7 or 8 rounds of .45 ACP, depending on gun. Sometimes 10 rounds of 9mm. Usually any of the above is supplemented with BUG of 8 rounds of .32 ACP. Never an extra mag.

jrothWA
September 16, 2008, 11:13 PM
I'm always carrying two units of reloads (e.g.: speedloaders / magazines)

SGT-MILLER
September 16, 2008, 11:13 PM
Any weapon I have will be supplemented with 2 extra mags. That's just me.

Even 15-17 rounds of ammo will give you about 30 seconds tops of good firefight. I want to be able to last out a little bit longer if it ever comes down to that (which would be a rare event).