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GPossenti
July 8, 2008, 10:20 AM
My wife went to a self-defense class last night. The instructor told her the best thing to do in case of a home invasion at night is stay in the bedroom, look out the window for additional BGs, then climb out the window if it's clear and call the cops.

Our bedroom is on the polar opposite side of the house from the carport. If I were to break into my own house, I'd do it through the carport. There's cover on three sides in that position, (4 if you count the car as cover). We can't see the carport from our bedroom window.

My plan was always to either stay in the bedroom with the door closed and gun in hand, or to crack the door and take up position on one knee peeking around the doorway.

Any thoughts?

Jim Watson
July 8, 2008, 10:41 AM
I think you have the right idea. Anybody willing to keep and use a gun for self defense is generally better off to fort up in their own home. Resist the temptation to try to clear the house, just hold a position and shoot any intruder. Let them steal what they like from the rest of the house.

I could see bailing out only for the unarmed.

obxned
July 8, 2008, 11:01 AM
I can't 'fort up' or escape out the back window. I need to provide support for our dogs.

Glenn E. Meyer
July 8, 2008, 11:10 AM
No offense - but aren't dogs expendable as compared to humans. Not trying to start a flame war but would one enter a gun fight area for your dogs?

Of course, that is a personal choice - I'm just suggesting that getting the humans to hunker down seems safer.

Also, if it is a fight and a door is visibly opened, is that a clue to shoot the door area up - it's not real cover.

I think you would want the advantage of ambushing the BGs when they are dealing with the door.

GPossenti
July 8, 2008, 11:15 AM
Our dog (black lab/rott mix) sleeps in our bedroom on the floor. Part of me wants to send her down the hallway to distract and attack Mr. Intruder while I make my way down the hall.

The other part of me thinks I should just keep the dog in the bedroom.

Glenn E. Meyer
July 8, 2008, 11:20 AM
Again, no offense - if the dog is valued, keep it with you.

If you send it down the hallway - it is like sending a round down the hall. You want the dog to engage the BG. Following the pooch just sets you up for getting killed.

The BG shoots the dog - you get bamboozled or distracted and get shot - not an unreasonable scenario.

cyprian
July 8, 2008, 11:53 AM
This sounds like a setup to get people to reveal their plans to the government when they send Blackwater after us.

chris in va
July 8, 2008, 11:55 AM
but aren't dogs expendable as compared to humans

Some people don't think so.

Creature
July 8, 2008, 11:59 AM
but aren't dogs expendable as compared to humans.

Not for the POS who is standing, uninvited, inside my home.

Kreyzhorse
July 8, 2008, 12:00 PM
This sounds like a setup to get people to reveal their plans to the government when they send Blackwater after us.


Not true at all. From what I've seen of Blackwater, they'll open fire on your home with every thing they've got and when your home is in smoldering ruins and you are most assuredly bloody pulp, they'll then claim that you actually started the fight.

In all seriousness - your plan sounds like a good one. I always wonder why self-defense usually means running away. Without seeing your home, it sounds like your only option is to stand your ground and wait for the police to arrive.

GPossenti
July 8, 2008, 02:01 PM
My bedroom is at the end of the hallway. I'm not trained to clear houses, and the other end of the hallway is shaped light a doughnut (kitchen, dining, living room all in a circle with one wall in the middle. Two doorways I can get shot from, so I'm not comfortable moving down the hallway.

As far as the dog is concerned, I was thinking it would be a two pronged attack. The dog and I would both go down the hall to attack, probably ending in a dead or wounded BG, but also possibly a dead or wounded dog.

I'm thinking staying at the doorway of the bedroom is my best bet. I don't like the idea of keeping the door to the bedroom closed. I can't see anything outside the room, and thus can't locate the BG. It's more a sense of helplessness.

Glenn E. Meyer
July 8, 2008, 02:19 PM
Why do you think attacking is the best strategy? You are the one moving away from cover or concealment to advance against opponents who may have taken up cover or concealment.

Going down a hallway is walking through the 'fatal' funnel. I'm just a FOG but in all my FOF - walking down a hallway towards folks with guns who can 'pie' you - esp. with more than one opponent seems not a good idea.

In class, the 'house clearers' (unless they were a trained team - and sometimes them) usually got killed.

I also opine that a standard door is not cover. If I were determined to 'get' you and could discern you are by the door - I'm hosing the door.

Triple8
July 8, 2008, 11:03 PM
I like the element of surprise. Problem with a dog in the bedroom is the barking. That may keep the BG from opening the door for fear of being attacked by the dog, but it may not. If you crack the door to peek, the dog may distract you when trying to get out.... I think I would keep the door closed and wait for the BG to open it, and then decide whether to attack or not. Keep a cell phone handy for 911, secure the family in your room. If there are children down the hall, I think I'd be following the dog on attack to try my best to save them...

David Armstrong
July 9, 2008, 12:17 AM
Glenn's got it pretty good, IMO. Attack is a no-no. Defense will almost always give you the greatest advantage and chance of survival, house-clearing the greatest disadvantage. And most doors, particularly interior doors, don't bother a bullet at all.

I like dogs as much as the next guy, but if the choice is dog or any of my poeple, well, all the people will have a nice funeral for the dog a few days later under the tree in the backyard. Dogs are easy to replace, getting a new daughter over here from Russia is tough!:)

stephen426
July 9, 2008, 01:26 AM
So what the heck do you do if your master bedroom has a huge sliding glass door that opens to the patio??? I also have a window that looks onto my covered patio. The bedroom door is on the opposite side of the sliding glass door. I'm thinking the best alternative is the master bathroom which is perpendicular both the bedroom door and the sliding glass doors.

While home invasions are rare, I can recall 2 that happened recently in Miami. One was in Coral Gables which is a pretty ritzy part of town. Its hard to imagine thing happening there since the police response time is insanely fast (about 3 minutes tops). The other hope invasion that made the news happened in the West part of Miami and ended up causing the Dolphin Mall to shut down when the bad guys holed up there.

You can pretend this stuff can never happen to you, but most people believe the economy is going to get worse before it gets better. I'm expecting crime to get worse, not better.

snevensmores
July 9, 2008, 02:17 AM
I'm trained to clear a house.
... with a few other members of a team, and only in a situation that requires it. With my living arrangements, this would be unnecessary.

In my mind, this is more of a "war" situation, and I'd be taking a defensive position.

For me, I'll stick to holing up in the bedroom, armed with my 9mm w/ spare mags and a turned-off flashlight. I'd get my girlfriend in a corner with as much cover as possible and have her dial 911 on one of our cell phones, alerting the police of the situation and our position in the apartment.

I'd retain the element of surprise as much as possible. If it's obvious that the home invaders know I'm in there, I'd yell that I'm armed, the police are on their way, and if that door opens an inch, they're dead (btw, I always keep my bedroom door locked, as well as the entrance doors to my apartment. I spent too many college years living in an apartment building where some drunk would accidentally walk into my living room looking for someone that lived on an entirely different floor).

However, there's a window in my bedroom. If I was awakened by an intruder breaking in through the window, he'd be dead before his foot touched the carpet.

I think keeping doors/windows locked is a simple, yet integral beginning to safety. Keep as many locked doors between you and the intruder as possible. That way, no one can "slip" into your house without audible warning -- glass breakage, kicking in a door, etc. You, or, better yet, your dog (wish I could have one here) will become alert to the situation at hand.

GPossenti
July 9, 2008, 09:08 AM
Our bedroom door is parallel with the hallway, not perpendicular. You can't tell if the door is open or closed from the rest of the house.

It's a good idea to keep a safe defense instead of attacking.

Somebody on another site said if someone is trying to break through the deadbolt and chain on our door, to start shooting through the door before the BG even makes it in the house. I'm not so sure this is a good idea from a legal defense standpoint, unless I follow up by dragging the body inside the house.

Torch
July 9, 2008, 09:16 AM
Some people don't think so.

Sadly true.

cyprian
July 9, 2008, 01:32 PM
But we're all chit-chatting abt defending. So whataya do? Keep long pants, boots, shirt, and a bugout bag folded and ready to go by the bed. Put a trapdoor into the crawlspace under a dresser. If you're trying to get away from the government, they'll be expecting you to hide in the attic or crawlspace (I saw Dallas SWAT on TV, so it must be true) so excavate an underground garage and go through a tunnel to the surplus Patton tank you have fueled up and ready to go. Don't forget the jammer you'll need to confuse the infantry robot that they'll send controlled by a sniper team.

I mean, not that I think it's a ridiculous scenario or anything! Serious abt the folded clothes and boots. Get ready to move and don't count on a smooth escape.

The question is, why are we talking abt escaping from the bad guys? Don't we have guns, phones, and police? What more do we need? How much is enough? And aren't there a ton of threads abt defending your home? And don't every one of those threads have at least one poster talking abt going on the offensive and houseclearing and all that? And by "all that" I mean "all that the prosecutor will need to prove his point that you've chosen to go from being a defender to being an attacker who's out for blood"

Lest ye forget, every one of those posts by someone expressing a tendency to attack a BG reveals someone who could be distracted by a diversion and forgets what it is he's supposed to be defending. You think your wife is going to just let you go tra-la-lalling down the hall to get in a fight? You seriously would leave your wife [children, dogs, goldfish, robots] alone in order to go draw down on someone?

Are we talking abt a complete societal meltdown? Then, by all means, dig a tunnel into a neighbor's yard and take some topo maps with you and try to move your family into the woods and evade, leapfrogging into abandoned homes for food and whatnot as you go, and look for an armory and vehicles. This is as good a time as any to point out that you'll need to indoctrinate your family into going along, and also work on your cardio.

Can o'worms with zombies inside.

akr
July 9, 2008, 01:47 PM
Best chance of a home invasion around here is by mistake from the cops....then they'll shoot you dead if you think they are criminals and fire upon them. How are you to know? I would really like to know what to do, since many criminals will shout that they are police. :confused:

SilentHitz
July 9, 2008, 01:54 PM
Leave the escape plan for the BG, hold your position in the bedroom where you planned. You know the layout better...make him /her come to you...or hopefully grow a brain and leave.

No way would I subject myself to the added danger of whomever might be outside...unless they set fire to the place.

Samurai
July 9, 2008, 02:07 PM
Quite obviously, as put best by Winston Churchill, "If you are going through hell, keep going!" First priority should always be escape from danger.

That said, the "escape plan" poses an interesting question when you consider that, in Tennessee, we have the Castle Doctrine. Therefore, it is FAR easier to justify shooting someone if you and the intruder are in your home. There is a PRESUMPTION that you're justified. But, if you retreat into the street, are chased, and kill the intruder while out in the road, you have to go through the trouble of proving "reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury."

So, as a sub-question to the "escape plan" question, I ask: Is it better to stand your ground in your home, or to attempt to leave your home to get away?

thallub
July 9, 2008, 02:19 PM
The instructor told her the best thing to do in case of a home invasion at night is stay in the bedroom, look out the window for additional BGs, then climb out the window if it's clear and call the cops.

That so called "instructor" should find another line of work. If one does not have a working cell phone then get one of the giveaway cell phones that can still be used to call 911.


No way would I subject myself to the added danger of whomever might be outside...unless they set fire to the place.


#1

SilentHitz
July 9, 2008, 02:37 PM
So, as a sub-question to the "escape plan" question, I ask: Is it better to stand your ground in your home, or to attempt to leave your home to get away? You have permission to be in your home, the BG don't! Stay there...if you wind up outside, there will be questions. Were you really trying to escape, or did you follow the BG with intent on killing them? Courts can make it look pretty bad on you for leaving the safety of your home, and "taking it to the streets". Sad but true.

daveydoo
July 9, 2008, 02:52 PM
Here is my plan Alarm will go off, wife and I will arm ourselves and close the door and lock it. Wife will call 911 from he cell as the alarm company calls the police. We wait, if the BG want to come though the bed room then first it is me 12ga and 40 cal then my wife has 357 and ability to reload either 12ga or 40.

Odds are the alarm and our four dog will slow or make them think twice before moving to our bedroom.

If we are awake in our home then wife and I move the bedroom. Once we have kids they will be taught to go to our room. And once the children are of age they will be taught good solid firearm education and what to do. Being prepare and aware of the surroundings does not make you paranoid only ready for a day that I hope never comes.

No state or govt has a right to say your are not to defend your home and our love ones. We as citizen need to ensure that to our children and grandchildren. It is our duty.

akr
July 9, 2008, 02:55 PM
This was on the news. Police raided the wrong house by mistake. An elderly woman in the house fired at the door as they were bursting in. They shot her 5 times and killed her.

David Armstrong
July 9, 2008, 02:57 PM
I'm not so sure this is a good idea from a legal defense standpoint, unless I follow up by dragging the body inside the house.
It might be legally defensible, but puts you in a really bad place for the civil case. And dragging a body inside is a pretty good way to change a legitimate self-defense situation into a blatant criminal event. NEVER alter a crime scene unless necessary for safety.

Redneckrepairs
July 9, 2008, 03:16 PM
I dont have kids at home anymore so the only thing out of the bedroom i worry about is pets . Colorado was famous for the " make my day law " some years ago and it does not reach to the new " castle doctrine " laws in many states . Statute here is basically the reasonable man doctrine . That means if a " reasonable man " would be in fear for his/her life shooting is permissible. I cant shoot someone for trespass, but by the same token if me and family retreat to a room and call the cops i can shoot anyone who attempts to enter our safe room . If i get up in the night and discover a burgler well if i can explain that a common man would be in fear of assault resulting in grave injury or death ( colorado jurys so far have held breaking in can establish this fear ) i may shoot such a disadvantaged person . Tx took stuff an order of magnitude larger in they basicly state you can shoot thieves . and have enacted laws to protect this premise ( Joe Horn was no billed there and here the best he could have looked for would be manslaughter ) . To the OP tho , MY state does not require me to " escape " if possible . It rather requires me to stay within the " reasonable man " doctrine . which is pretty much common sense . If they kick your door in while you are watching tv well they mean you no good . If they kick your door in at 3 AM well they really mean you no good . If you are in fear for your life you may use whatever you need to to defend yourself . We dont as a rule have home invasions in colorado . We still have crime . but the " burglers " make sure the homeowner is not there , and due to gunsafes they dont take a large collection often .

Japrite
July 9, 2008, 03:23 PM
When you know that a bad guy is attacking your house why cant you set upn a strong defensive point with something like a belt fed machine gun, or even a tommy gun- that would really give them a surprise and be sure to use high velocity rounds that will hurt badly even if the Bad Guy has body armour. Personally i would get at the top of the staris, as this gives a good viewpoint and hit them hard with everything - tommy gun, shotgun pistol any other firearm thatn you happen to have as soon as they get into the house then if their still standing go after them with a tommy, or substitute,gun and bush-wack them as soon as you get a chance. Of course you could take the simple route and leave fenn traps lyimng around so by tyhe screams you know where the bad guys are and can hit them accordingly

SilentHitz
July 9, 2008, 03:50 PM
When you know that a bad guy is attacking your house why cant you set upn a strong defensive point with something like a belt fed machine gun :rolleyes: Rarely if ever are you going to know when you'll be attacked, and few people have belt fed machine guns or tommy guns.

All those stray bullets flying at your neighbors...and the police will be hauling you off.:rolleyes:

velobard
July 9, 2008, 06:29 PM
When you know that a bad guy is attacking your house why cant you set upn a strong defensive point with something like a belt fed machine gun, or even a tommy gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLyMJ7LER4
:D:D

My home simply isn't set up well for defending. We're on second floor, two other kids in upstairs bedrooms, but we have one kid in a bedroom at the opposite end of the first floor. There's really no options for changing that setup. We have a lease and can't have a dog. As most of you know, there's simply no good way to go down stairs without exposing yourself. One thing that works both for us and against us is that with the old floors in this place there's no way to navigate much of the house without squeaking floorboards. It's not noticeable during the day, but during a quiet night it's very noticeable. Fortunately, we're in a pretty good neighborhood, but I have no illusions that provides any assurances. We should be mostly "kid-free" within a few years, so we expect to move to a smaller house at that point we'll keep security in mind.

Striker071
July 10, 2008, 12:22 AM
Well I know in my state for a long time you had to flee from your own home.... and could be prosecuted for killing the perp in your own home. That has changed or so i have heard but dont know the extent of it.

First of all if you have dogs most burglars wont come close to you unless they are Pros. Draws too much attention to what they are doing. If they are pros they wont do the job while you are home because they want to get the most out of your home if they have cased the place and if they are pros believe me they have done their homework.

I agree with a good defense... call 911 and give them as much detailed information as possible. Let them know where you are and that you are armed so when they come through the door they dont shoot you or you shoot them.

The main thing is a plan of action for the whole family. If you have kids they should know what to do if that situation arises. Just like a fire plan ... have a central meeting place... and a secondary incase you cant get to the primary. Get to know your neighbors so if you or your kids get separated and have to leave the house you can go and pound on a door somewhere for help and have them dial 911 as well.

Escape is an option ... I like gathering and defending yourself better. Have to do whatever will keep you from harm both staying or going.

.300H&H
July 10, 2008, 01:59 AM
I have 2 dogs <dobe and a sheperd>and 3 cats...and two parakeets. The dogs are well-trained and they let me know if somebody or something is on the property well before any possible break-in. My dobe starts to whine if somebody is at the driveway<long way away...>and my shepherd stays quiet, but is ready and waiting. They aren't mean dogs; it's just their nature to be aware about what's going on. While it's possible a home invasion might put the dogs at risk, the dogs are quite formidable - and any burglar with just a bit of common sense would be wise to steer clear of'em. The cat's? Oh my, I feel sorry for the burglar in my house ie. 3 cats running amuck trying to hide while a dobe and a shepherd get all excited...and the parakeets start sqwawking...
and then their's my wife with her iron skillet and a .38 snubbie...and me with my .25acp.:D

BillCA
July 10, 2008, 02:38 AM
As the title says - "Home Invasion Escape plan".

There are times when it may be advisable to evac & evade. Having one intruder is bad enough. Two is downright scary. But if you have more than that (for whatever reason), there's a high degree of danger.

Having a plan for the wife & kids to escape whilst you perform the rear-guard action may be prudent. At least you'll have thought things out ahead of time and know what to do or where to go.

For some folks, it's a no-go. You can't get out without being seen or risking further danger. For others, it may be easier to slip outside undetected and then flee to the nearest (ideally armed) neighbor.

Here in California, we've seen a number of home-invasion style robberies in the past. Usually in the Asian immigrant community. They use 3 to 6 people to invade, terrorize and take what they want. Sometimes people are hurt, sometimes not. Some do end up dead. So the idea of a 3 or 6 man "team" is not improbable.

Like Stephen426 my primary exit is a glass door and it puts me visible to anyone in the living room/dining room area. The next best bet is to exit thru the garage, however the noise of the door opener would draw ill-intent intruders too quickly.

Unless the house is on fire or people are shooting the pets, furniture & walls, the best bet is to hunker down and remain in a defensible position. If possible or necessary, push the bed or other furniture to block the door and defend the entries to the room.

If I can tell there are multiple intruders (who aren't yelling "Police!"), my preference is a defensible position from the bedroom and not be shy about ammo usage. I figure the noise will certainly get the neighbors' attention (especially after shooting out the glass door).

ActivShootr
July 10, 2008, 07:40 AM
I have small children in my home and their bedroom is between mine and the doors. I am going to attack with a cold-blooded ruthlessness that would make Genghis Kahn go :eek:.

If you break into my house while I am in it, YOU WILL DIE!!! I do not plan to escape.

daveydoo
July 10, 2008, 08:03 AM
It is MY home not the Govt either state or fed. It is MY life not the state or fed. I will protect both with deadly force if need be. Liberals can kiss my ass for being aggressive. No reasonable man wants to kill another. But if it comes down to me or you, then hell I love myself to much. A thief can have my belongings but my love ones (including dogs) and our lives they cannot have.

Any state which violates the consitution is in violation of the law. If I must run from my home then my rights to persue happiness and a complete life have been violated also. Most states have changed this dumb law and allowed defending oneself in their home. Common sense to me, and to most.

Virginia58
July 10, 2008, 08:22 AM
By staying put in your own home and calling 911 you hold the best cards. If you are in a bedroom, stay there and keep the lights turned off. You know better than any "visitor" to your home, where the walls, doors, windows, furniture, squeaky floors, etc. happen to be. With the lights out the univited guest(s) will be the ones stumbing around in the dark, bumping into things while you wait unseen.

If they turn on the lights you still have the advantage of knowing the layout, and you can wait at the ready to see if they advance to your position. If you have called 911 immediately the clock is counting down in your favor.

In my case, the perimeter doors and windows are alarmed so if there is a break in that call will go out to police in addition to my 911 call. The alarm siren is so piercing that I can't stand it more than a few seconds when I am testing it. So while I am upstairs, in the dark, behind closed doors, armed to the teeth; there is an intruder downstairs in the dark, with the siren from hell going off, and the law on the way. I'm betting they exit quickly, but if they still advance on my position that siren will be the last thing they hear.

obxned
July 10, 2008, 11:54 AM
At no time of the day are all of the dogs in one place in our house except by coincidence. If someone breaks in, at least some of the dogs will be involved. Now, do I sit in my room and hope how ever many dogs are in the fight can controll the situation, or do I add some more dogs and some firepower while the BGs are rather busy trying not to get torn apart?

Glenn E. Meyer
July 10, 2008, 02:30 PM
If you think running down a hall towards armed inviduals is a good plan when you have other options which may be better in saving YOUR life - then it's your choice.

.300H&H
July 10, 2008, 03:02 PM
A good dog can be a good ounce of prevention - and a well-trained good dog can be a friendly 24/7 security guard. Anecdotal: I know of a local country store where a man some years ago came in and attempted an armed robbery. He didn't pay enough attention to the store owner's well-trained shepherd that was laying quietly on the floor behind the counter. The bad guy blinked...and in the blink of an eye he lost his gun and needed about 150 stitches. My dogs are well-trained and they have better instincts/reflexes than I do in a crisis.;)


Dogs, Cell Phones, access to a firearm - can all work well. Plan of escape?
The best laid plans can fall to ruin. It's good to keep options open - and not have a 'plan' that is too tight or confining. Cell Phones are wonderful. I don't have children in the house or children that visit...so I can afford to keep a few things stashed in places<including cell phones>that might come in handy. It's nothing interfering with one's lifestyle...but there's no area of the house where I would feel 'trapped.'


Surveillance systems are great too. In fact, I'd say 'prevention' is key. Escape plans are okay, but one gets more bang for the buck with $ and time spent on prevention. If someone breaks in while I'm in the house asleep - the first prevention is to have something that will will make sure I'm alerted in time to the break-in. Makes no sense to have an escape plan, if I won't even know if somebody has broken in and invaded. If somebody is on top of me, then any escape plan sorta flies out the window. My Home is My Castle and the Castle Doctrine applies... ;) I wouldn't mind having a good moat.

Relayer
July 10, 2008, 04:30 PM
I live in a 2-story home with all bedrooms on the 2nd story. There is also a basement with its own door and 4 windows. I have a couple of kids who are usually off to college. Their bedrooms are in between my bedroom (at the end of the hall) and the top of the stairs.

I have an alarm system (which I'm sure could be defeated, but probably not by anyone who might be primarily desiring to inflict injury on the family) on all doors and windows on the basement and first floor levels, and also a watch-cat that is probably somewhat less than reliable :).

If the kids are away I would certainly not charge down the hall to face an intruder. However, if they are home, I would have no choice but to get down that hall to their rooms asap.

daveydoo
July 10, 2008, 04:39 PM
If a team of 6 intruders (as in the post earilier) come though our door it will be a sad day. As a door is a tactical advantage. One allows limited number to go though it. Mossberg 590 and Xd 40 can easily pick them as they enter my bedroom. 8 shots of 12ga 00 buckshot and 60 rounds 40 plus 5 rounds of silvertips in my wife's 357 I take my chances in my bedroom. Our master has multi walls and large enought to set up to aim at the door, in several places. It was a factory in my choice of home. Thinking ahead and CYA myself.

dabigguns357
July 10, 2008, 08:35 PM
This is how my family handles our h/d needs.My primary weapon of choice is a mossberg 12 gauge pump with a rifled slug barrel and a backup s&w 686 357 strapped and holstered on a clip on belt.I leave the bedroom and check the rest of the house while my wife directs me on the bedroom tv monitors.If the intruder gets past me then my wife will be waiting behind a locked door with her 410 filled with slugs and a snubbie 357 for back up..I have 3 nightvision cameras outside and 3 nightvision cameras inside.The first inside camera is above my bedroom door facing at an angle down,and the second is above the door facing into the kitchen at the back of the house and the 3rd is facing up the stairs to the kids room(no sneaking in or out for our sons)I know i sound a bit paranoid but if there is a bump in the night i want and can to see it from either back door or front.The cameras help us see whats on the other side of the door before we shoot.We also have 2-way radios with ear pieces for my wife and i,and in the kids room we have baby monitors that get turned on every night.Again i know this sounds crazy but as the old saying goes,tis better to have and not need than to need and not have.Oh by the way the cameras i use came from walmart and were only 78.99 a pair.

Dwight55
July 10, 2008, 09:02 PM
I'm just too old to be going out a window to a concrete/gravel landing 8 feet below the bottom of it.

I'm staying in my bedroom, . . . watching both doors, . . . and if either opens up, . . . it will only be after they have ID'd themselves as LEO, . . . and since I know a few of those who would respond, . . . I feel OK as having a good plan.

My wife is a non canine person, . . . and her fat old momma cat won't attack much at all, . . .

But I've got guns, . . . I've got ammo, . . . and I've got the rest of my life to lay around my bedroom, . . . the bg in the living room only has until the red/white/blue lights start pouring into my driveway, . . . then he has to make some kind of move.

May God bless,
Dwight

akr
July 10, 2008, 09:42 PM
............and I'm 68, so I'm REALLY too old for anything except to lie in bed with the shotgun under the covers. :cool:

David Armstrong
July 11, 2008, 02:01 PM
Now, do I sit in my room and hope how ever many dogs are in the fight can controll the situation, or do I add some more dogs and some firepower while the BGs are rather busy trying not to get torn apart?

Sit in your room. Why in the world would anyone want to give up a position of tactical superiority that enhances your chances of survival? As has been pointed out several times,even the police do not house-clear by themselves. It puts you at such a disadvantage that it is hard to understand why anyone would even contemplate it with the exception of something along the lines of "got to get the kids."

I leave the bedroom and check the rest of the house while my wife directs me on the bedroom tv monitors.
As above, why?? Particularly if you have monitors to watch.

M1911
July 11, 2008, 02:20 PM
Going down a hallway is walking through the 'fatal' funnel.

Indeed. I would not leave the bedroom. I would not peak out the bedroom door. Keep the bedroom door closed (locked if possible). Now they have to come through a fatal funnel to get you.

BurkGlocker
July 11, 2008, 03:43 PM
Thing is, my children are in the other half of the house, and if I hear my dog barking for ANY reason, I am up, out of bed and clearing the house. The kids know not to get out of bed for any reason if the dog is barking, and most of the time they dont even wake up. I leave night lights on in the house strategiclly placed so as to cast a shadow on the walls in my line of sight. I have a partition wall that is perpendicular to my bedroom door that I have ripped the sheet rock out and put nothing but solid 2x4s across the opening, so if someone shoots in my direction I will have at least some sort of barrier to stop or slow down what ever may be slung my way. I've walked my house many times, over and over in the dark and know my lanes of fire to keep my kids and neighbors safe. I have done this in every home i have lived in, taken the steps, know my lanes and outlets. And I dont trust anyone, because I have seen best friends and even family come into homes and kill. You may call it paranoia, I call it preparedness.

BillCA
July 14, 2008, 04:37 AM
Re: Alarms... check with your alarm company to see if there is a way to wire the alarm to sound if the wires are cut. A friend figured a way to do this with his alarm unit in the event someone cut the phone lines.

Re: Two Story homes... The top of the stairwell is a fair defensive position, but only if you can see down the stairs far enough and/or have a wall to conceal yourself behind.

An older home layout had the stairs do a 90-degree turn halfway up and the stairs emptied into the end of a long hallway. In essence, once someone came around the corner, they could see the length of the hallway. In such cases, defending from a nearby bedroom/bathroom doorway may be a better option.

An escape plan that isn't too detailed is a good idea. For instance... one parent exits first and helps children out of the house. They then flee to a neighbor nearby selected for screening bushes or their known willingness to respond and help. If separated, children should know who's house to go to and to NEVER return home until police or parents say it's safe.

If you have a stealthy intruder, when police arrive they may need access to the house. Keep spare house key(s) attached to a ring along with a light-stick. Attach a clear plastic "map pouch" to the ring too. Inside the map pouch, put a simple illustration of your home's floorplan. When needed, once police arrive, activate the lightstick and throw the assemblage into the yard or driveway. At night the glowing lightstick is self-identifying. If the situation goes south into a hostage or stand-off situation, they have a map of the house and know where you are by cell phone.

Multiple Intruders:
If you are sure there are multiple intruders, use your room to maximum advantage. Barricade the door with furniture, the bed or simply blankets...anything to slow down opening the door. Remember that most walls are simply concealment... if they're beating at the door, your first shot(s) thru the door may score or deter them. If a bedroom wall is along the hallway, shots through the wall into the hallway may also be useful. (Protect yourself from incoming on the same wall!) Of course, be sure you know what is across the hallway too.

If multiple intruders are present and forcing the bedroom door, this is the correct time to be prepared to expend ammo at a high rate. Showing of considerable firepower will deter them from entry. Opening a window may also help draw attention to the noise. Contrary to popular opinion, gunfire inside a home is not very loud from outside if the house is closed up in the winter.

kraigwy
July 14, 2008, 11:07 PM
I Will Not Run Or Retreat In My Own Home.

End Of Story

jackthoreau
July 15, 2008, 12:00 AM
Invasions are very common now! Living in Albuquerque sucks. A lot of angry and stupid drivers for starters. A lot of great US loving people live here in New Mexico don't get me wrong, but also a lot of people who know that they can basically go unpunished for even repeat violent offenses do to a highly jacked up court system here in NM that favors the criminal over the victum 9 times out of ten! Combine that with a bad economy and random home invasions are up big time! I'm talking about random senseless slaughter! The BGs here in ABQ have a big time power trip! They would rather rape your wife and than torture you and your kids. But most don't have that kind of time. They just kill you. They rob you for sure, but it seems like the motives more and more are kill for the thrill rather than simply rob a place. I don't go to bed now without preparing to use deadly force at moments notice!

2fs2ns
July 30, 2008, 08:55 AM
Our house is setup poorly for self defense. Master bedroom is on the exact opposite corner of the house as the front door and the back door. Our 3yr old daugher's room is between them. I've gotta go get her if the alarm starts going off...no hiding in the bedroom for me.

Hopefully our 100lb Chesapeake will go nuts as he usually does when someone's making noise outside... All windows/ext. doors are alarmed and it's set every night.

I'm more worried about someone coming in during the day when I'm not around and my wife's in a room away from a gun...