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Harley User
July 5, 2008, 02:54 PM
will it be enough to stop a BG ????

mavracer
July 5, 2008, 04:29 PM
it will make a hole it depends where the hole is and mr BGs level of determination only one of which you have control over.
that said I've carried a Seecamp and a Walther PP at times.

Playboypenguin
July 5, 2008, 04:30 PM
I don't know...maybe you should ask the tens of thousands of dead Europeans that were killed with a .32 pistol. :)

hoytinak
July 5, 2008, 04:34 PM
I feel confident carrying my Seecamp .32

Hkmp5sd
July 5, 2008, 04:38 PM
I also feel confident with the .32 in my Beretta Tomcat. Nice pocket pistol for carry in the heat of the Florida summer.

tplumeri
July 5, 2008, 04:40 PM
thousands of dead Europeans that were killed with a .32 pistol

Yeah, but that was PTC.

I think my 32mag would slow down most aggressors.

cabbynate
July 5, 2008, 04:41 PM
My pocket pistol is a Kel-Tec PT32. It gets little use but I feel pretty good carrying it when I need to do to what I'm wearing. I once shot a car windshield in a junk yard with a Seecamp .32 at about 15 feet away and it went through the windshield and got stuck in the plywood behind the windshield I was using to hold it up. Not bad penetration....

T. O'Heir
July 5, 2008, 09:46 PM
Better than nothing, but no handgun round will give you a 100% guarantee of stopping anything or any body.

jon_in_wv
July 5, 2008, 09:58 PM
If it is what your proficient with I'd say it will work. I've always said I'm more afraid of a trained shooter with a warrior mindset and a .32 than some joker wannabe with a .45. Of course, if he is a trained shooter with a warrior mindset and a .45!?! Even better.

Keltyke
July 5, 2008, 10:05 PM
No one wants to get shot with ANYTHING. If size and concealment is concern, and a .32 is what you can carry, go for it. Practice, practice, practice.
Proper shot placement will make the difference. Carry a spare mag, most .32s only hold 6 rounds. A .32 between the eyes will stop the BG quicker than a .45 to the arm.

threegun
July 5, 2008, 11:09 PM
will it be enough to stop a BG ????

Yes. Is it as capable as larger caliber handgun rounds....no. I own the p-32 but it remains a back-up. To easy to carry a bigger caliber nowadays. Why prepare for an event thats very unlikely only to go half way?

A .32 between the eyes will stop the BG quicker than a .45 to the arm.


However a 45 hit to the bad guys arm will cause more damage than a 32 hit in the same spot. The 45 will maintain enough energy continue (for that broad side shot) into the vitals.....the 32 might.

Keltyke
July 6, 2008, 12:01 AM
However a 45 hit to the bad guys arm will cause more damage than a 32 hit in the same spot.

And that is why I maintain practice and shot placement is EVERYTHING.

xrocket
July 6, 2008, 07:41 AM
Old tired saying but defiantly applicable:

The firstest with the mostest usually wins.

Personally, I tend to think a slight modification is in order:

The first, best placed shot usually, but not always wins. I place size pretty far down the list when it comes to my personal safety.

Be armed
Be aware
Move
Seek safety
Engage first
Aim for vitals
Shoot to stop

After that short list, I guess size might matter. Although, if it does come down to size I would rather be armed with larger, faster, expanding ammunition.

Double Naught Spy
July 6, 2008, 09:51 AM
I don't know...maybe you should ask the tens of thousands of dead Europeans that were killed with a .32 pistol.

So since more people have been killed with a .22, it must be better for stopping bad guys?:confused:

Killing and stopping aren't the same thing and the OP may not quite understand the difference. Certainly, killed people are stopped, but the question is, "When did they stop?"

It is sort of like the difference between getting hit with a fist and with a baseball bat. Both may work to stop a person, but which do you think would be better to effecting a stop?

I am a big fan of folks carrying the largest caliber in sufficient quantity in a platform that they can conceal and shoot very well. For some, that may just be a .32. For some, it may be something bigger. With practice, most folks can carry a larger caliber and shoot is very well.

threegun
July 6, 2008, 02:43 PM
And that is why I maintain practice and shot placement is EVERYTHING.


Problem here is that shot placement at the range and during a gunfight are two different animals. Range targets don't move or shoot back making them much easier to hit with precision. While bigger won't make up for a bad placed shot it is capable of penetrating much deeper which could be an advantage with a moving bad guy.

Relayer
July 6, 2008, 03:32 PM
I'd sure carry bigger if you could/would. Not too many law enforcement agencies issue a .32 as their standard firearm. If it comes down to it, wherever I hit the BG, I'd rather hit him with something bigger, but sometimes compromises will/must be made.

Still, as mentioned previously... yes, the .32 can stop a BG.

Double Naught Spy
July 6, 2008, 03:33 PM
If your targets don't move, then you need to get better range targets or a better range. :p

Larger and more powerful calibers also give you the advantage of penetrating more layers better.

Ala Dan
July 6, 2008, 03:40 PM
As has been stated, "shot placement is paramount"~! ;)

I feel very confident with my ability to place rounds from the LWS-32
to the area that I'm trying too strike~! :cool: :D

B.N.Real
July 6, 2008, 05:03 PM
Your better served with a .380 as your minimum sized caliber.

And now,just recently some 9mm's are just as small.

There's a power increase of 100% right there.

FLA2760
July 6, 2008, 05:37 PM
BN REAL said,"Your better served with a .380 as your minimum sized caliber.

And now,just recently some 9mm's are just as small".

A +1 to that.
Oh someone said that most .32s are 6 shot.
My Kel Tec P32 is 8+1 ( I installed the +1 on the magazine)
A second magazine is always a good idea.;)

threegun
July 6, 2008, 05:41 PM
DNS,

If your targets don't move, then you need to get better range targets or a better range.


I've shot movers in competition and they are much more difficult to hit even though their movement is predictable. Add unpredictable movement and gun fight stress levels to my list.

Ala Dan, How have you gained such confidence? You shoot unpredictable movers under life and death stress? I mean I can also hit with speed and accuracy but will that translate into such when the above is added?

Nnobby45
July 6, 2008, 05:53 PM
Well, not the best choice when the 9mm is availale in just as small a package with much better ballistics.

Wayward_Son
July 6, 2008, 07:22 PM
Don't forget about the new .327 magnum. While most of us don't even have our guns yet (I've been waiting four months now since I originally put down the $50 deposit) and ammo still isn't on the shelves, it should turn out to be a good defense cartridge. I'd really like to see S&W introduce a six-shot J frame available with two or three inch barrels in all of their steel and alloy combinations and with their various hammer choices. I think a scandium six-shot with the shrouded hammer and a three inch barrel would be a fantastic carry piece.

Wildalaska
July 6, 2008, 07:35 PM
Seecamps are the ultimate daily carry gun for the experienced armed civilian in normal circumstances.

WildnothingbeatsitAlaska TM

Archie
July 6, 2008, 07:53 PM
This response is from the viewpoint of a seasoned shooter who has a reasonable competence with firearms. It is intended for one with a reasonable knowledge and competence of firearms. It is written with the assumption we all know one cannot substitute caliber or gimmicks for ability and accuracy.

A .32 ACP autopistol is not real high on any list composed by people who carry guns for a living or constantly as a defensive tool.

The good qualities of the .32 ACP is that it is usually easy to carry with minimal concealment and - at least in the better guns - very reliable.

.32 Autos were issued to many field and upper grade German officers during the Second World War. However, they were not intended for use in fighting the enemy - as field and upper grade officer don't really do much shooting. They were primarily a badge of office and probably a means of suicide if things went really, really wrong. One also finds the bulk of people - in the tens of thousands without doubt - killed by the .32 ACP round died of infection some time after the event.

No. .32 ACP is not a 'stopping round'. It is true no handgun round is a fool proof (the fools are far too ingenious) stopping round, there are many that rate better on the scale, starting with .38 Special.

No, no one wants to get shot with one. In this context, one might use a .32 ACP in one or more of those 'no shots fired, problem resolved' events. But that doesn't work on a serious adversary or a doper looking for a score.

I would consider nothing less than heavy loaded .38 Special as a defense gun. I tend more to the .357 Magnum and .45 ACP end of things, but that does require dressing with the intent of carrying a gun.

All that having been said, I do have a Colt 1903 Pocket Pistol in .32 ACP. I have carried it from time to time, mostly on a whim. The fact is, I keep a watchful eye for problems and I've never had to pull a sidearm in that context.

Thank you, Lord.

A good .32 ACP is certainly better than a soft, brown eyed stare. If that's what you have, that's what you have. If this is your choice, I would urge you to choose again and bigger.

velocette
July 6, 2008, 08:04 PM
I'd rather resist with a .32 than beg for mercy with a mournful cry.

My Seecamp is an always pistol. Its almost always in my back pocket. At home, at work, at play. The only time it is not there is when I am carrying something larger, or if I am 60 feet underwater taking pictures.

Roger

Phlip
July 7, 2008, 03:26 AM
I carry an H&K USP45 and a Glock 27 along with some other tools at work. When not wearing polyester, I carry a Keltec P32. I'm happy with a 32 but I do pay attention to what is around me and I generally avoid the kind of places where bad things tend to happen so hopefully, I'll never need to use it.

threegun
July 7, 2008, 06:11 AM
I'm happy with a 32 but I do pay attention to what is around me and I generally avoid the kind of places where bad things tend to happen so hopefully, I'll never need to use it.

Situational awareness should be #1 on everyone's list regardless of caliber carried. Still it doesn't make up for the 32's lack of penetration.

obxned
July 7, 2008, 10:47 AM
The .32 is not my first choice in an ultra-concealable gun, but if it was the only choice in the size and model I wanted to carry, I certainly would.

It is not a 'one shot stoppper', but you weren't planning on quitting after firing only once.

CSG
July 7, 2008, 11:47 AM
Regardless of internet commando bravado and advice, my two cents is a firearm loaded with the right .32 ammo is quite deadly in the hands of a calm and collected shooter. Would that be you under duress? Also, most .32 CCW pistols are quite small and not everyone shoots them well. Would the .32 you propose to carry be one you could present and shoot well quickly?

I don't own a .32 but I do own a Beretta 950 .25 that I have carried often in my front pocket. I shoot it very well and it holds a total of nine rounds. While I feel underarmed compared to carrying one of my 9mm's, .45's, or S&W 442, there are times when those won't be appropriate for my dress or location.

If you live in the big city or areas where you feel more vulnerable, something like a Kahr PM 9 *might* be a better choice.

Research the ammo choices and you'll be able to make a more intelligent decision IMO.

Nnobby45
July 7, 2008, 05:45 PM
Seecamps are the ultimate daily carry gun for the experienced armed civilian in normal circumstances.


Don't know if a gun without sights can be called the ultimate for daily carry--except as backup.

Where the .32 is concerned, it was the Winchester ST that elevated it's ballistics to respectable. For a while, all Seacamps were built specifically to reliably feed that round, as well as the Glaser. Don't know what they're doing these days with all the new ammo developments.



And there's the Rohrbaugh R9 in 9mm, billed as the world's lightest and smallest 9mm. Probably not much different in size than the .32 Seacamp.

Don't know about the Seacamp, but the R9 Rohrbaugh is unpleasant to shoot and rough on the hand. Not an issue for a BUG, but would tend to discourage practice if a primary CCW.

alistaire
July 7, 2008, 05:52 PM
It's better than a sharp stick, and who carries a sharp stick???

Remember a handgun is what you use to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have put down.

Wildalaska
July 7, 2008, 07:04 PM
Don't know if a gun without sights can be called the ultimate for daily carry--except as backup.

For the average armed citizen, what do you need sights for?

A .32 ACP autopistol is not real high on any list composed by people who carry guns for a living or constantly as a defensive tool.


Folks who carry guns for a living (ie Police) need more than a .32....there are many of us civilains here who constantly carry a firearm as a defensive tool and the Seecamp .32 is quite popular.

WildwhatdoyouhaveinoyurpocketrightnowAlaska ™

2cooltoolz
July 7, 2008, 07:15 PM
Just came in from the grocery store and the answer to
WildwhatdoyouhaveinoyurpocketrightnowAlaska
is a Seecamp .32. I feel more protected with my PM9 but the Seecamp carries easy.

Playboypenguin
July 7, 2008, 07:18 PM
And there's the Rohrbaugh R9 in 9mm, billed as the world's lightest and smallest 9mm. Probably not much different in size than the .32 Seacamp.
There is actually quite a bit of difference. I own both. :)

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/PlayboyPenguin/Gun%20comps/R9s-LWS.jpg

CSG
July 7, 2008, 07:35 PM
I love those miniature Seecamp and NAA .32's but I can only get one finger on the grip of the NAA and my personal rule is a minimum of two. Haven't had a chance to handle the Seecamp.

threegun
July 7, 2008, 09:03 PM
Seecamps are the ultimate daily carry gun for the experienced armed civilian in normal circumstances.

Says you. My ultimate daily carry gun is a glock 23. Experience tells me that more penetration will be useful if I every need to use my carry gun. The seecamp and keltec micro guns do make fine BACKUP GUNS though.

Wildalaska
July 7, 2008, 11:53 PM
Experience tells me that more penetration will be useful if I every need to use my carry gun.

Experience tells me I'll never need to pull the trigger :)

WildandifidotheseecampwillgiveanowietoitstargetAlaska TM

David Armstrong
July 8, 2008, 12:11 AM
Says you. My ultimate daily carry gun is a glock 23. Experience tells me that more penetration will be useful if I every need to use my carry gun.
Perhaps you would care to regale us with just what this "experience" consists of?

For the OP...yes, the .32 will do just fine. It has in the past, it will right now, and it will in the future. Caliber has consistently been shown to be the least important factor in self-defense for the CCW world. Any caliber will do if you do your part, no caliber will do if you don't do your part.

Snackycake
July 8, 2008, 01:37 AM
A lot of fellows who begin to carry concealed (whether off-duty LEO or civilian) often carry a big gun for a year, or two, or three. But a lot of them (maybe most of them?) Eventually find it a pain to carry a big gun and either

A. Carry no gun some of the time (Gasp, admit it, you've done it too!)

or

B. Buy a smaller gun that they would never tell their buddies about but they carry anyway.

Sure, a .32 is a bit of a pipsqueek but so are most handgun loads really (compared to a REAL stopper like a 7.62 rifle round). Better a .32 or a .25...or even a .22 lr than nothing at all.

First rule of the gunfight, ladies and gentlemen?

That's right: Bring a gun.

Get a .32 or whatever, carry it and then get a bigger, better gun, and carry it as much as you can.

(I carry a full sized gun almost every day, for what it is worth)

threegun
July 8, 2008, 06:15 AM
Experience tells me I'll never need to pull the trigger

Still you carry Wild, why?

Perhaps you would care to regale us with just what this "experience" consists of?


Tons of reading and listening to what experts say is needed to stop a determined threat. That includes a medical examiner (friend) who has looked from the inside at different bullet wounds, hospital workers who treat different bullet wounded patients, and bullet weights & velocities. All suggest that smaller caliber hits are not as incapacitating as larger caliber hits.

See David you prefer to play the odds and thats ok. Odds are you'll never even need a gun and even longer odds as Wild put it "never need to pull the trigger". I prefer to put every tool in my box that I can possibly fit before trouble hits no matter how much more rare the need be.

Let me ask you a direct question David. If you could only carry a handgun (since we can't conceal a rifle) & (a handgun that can be easily concealed) what caliber would it be if you knew a gun battle was coming and you couldn't avoid it? I know you won't answer the question because I've asked it of you many times without a direct answer. I know part of the answer anyway, it won't be a 22/25/32/380.

You prepare for a gun fight by carrying and training only to carry a caliber you would never choose when the awful time comes of ever really needing it. I refuse to do so. To each his own.

And please don't act as though you are the only one who studies this issue. You have a history of....looking down your nose posts...to many TFL members with whom you disagree.

mpage
July 8, 2008, 06:39 AM
Real-life street experience shows the .32 to be a poor defensive round. It just flat out doesn't do the job. I thought this was well-known.

A Skorpion maybe, but not a pistol. If I had to rely on a .32 I'd load it with ball ammo; in self-defense I'd empty the mag.

I know a guy who shot an assailant in the eye with a Seecamp; I don't know the specifics, but it didn't do much.

xrocket
July 8, 2008, 06:54 AM
It's apparent that badgering is not limited to badgers.

flyby
July 8, 2008, 08:00 AM
I know a guy who shot an assailant in the eye with a Seecamp; I don't know the specifics, but it didn't do much.
Lexan shades? :D

mpage
July 8, 2008, 09:17 AM
Lexan shades?

More like beer goggles, from what I understand. That and God knows what else he was high on. :eek:

Hard Ball
July 8, 2008, 09:48 AM
I cab see a role for most cartridges but noy for the .32ACO and the .25ACP.

Snackycake
July 8, 2008, 09:52 AM
It is true if you look at the numbers the .32 is a pretty weak sister, but on an anecdotal basis it doesn't mean much. I know of two individuals who were shot very nicely with a good 9mm round and kept right on going (one in the forehead--he fell down, but got back up and staggered around).
And before all the .45 worshippers gloat too much...was it just last year that the guy in Texas went postal and shot his girlfriend 6 or 7 times with a Government model? They were good 185 grain JHP's, and good hits, and up until the last shot through the running lights she was still running around nicely...and she weighed less than 100 lbs.

Handgun rounds of all kinds do not provide reliable anything.

If you can't win the fight after shooting someone 5 times through the chest with a .32 then you will feel silly, but a lot less silly than the guy who beats his chest and carries a manly gun...except this one time because it is a pain in the ass and he left it at home and got his mail handed to him by some crack whore with a razor blade and-gosh-he-really-wished-he-had-brought-at-least-a-.22-because-boy-this-sucks-having-a-really-really-cool-gun-back-at-home-on-his-dresser-but-not-here-where-he-needs-it---ouch!

Wildalaska
July 8, 2008, 10:04 AM
Still you carry Wild, why?
It matches my headborne lightning rod :)

WildicarryfordogprotectionAlaska TM

Wildalaska
July 8, 2008, 10:09 AM
got his mail handed to him by some crack whore with a razor blade and-gosh-he-really-wished-he-had-brought-at-least-a-.22-because-boy-this-sucks-having-a-really-really-cool-gun-back-at-home-on-his-dresser-but-not-here-where-he-needs-it---ouch!

Thats the perfect example you know why....
It illustrates that one must look for trouble.
Crack whores aren't running around the shopping malls with razor blades. :)
They are hanging around seedy areas. Why are YOU there.?

No one here says you SHOULDNT carry a bigger gun...I do at times. But, for the average experienced armed citizen living in a low crime area it is quite acceptable.
Its not Hobbesian out there, unless you live in Detroit or Wash DC

WildgetagripboysAlaska TM

threegun
July 8, 2008, 12:08 PM
I know a guy who shot an assailant in the eye with a Seecamp; I don't know the specifics, but it didn't do much.



Definitely an angle issue. Even the puny 22/25 will easily penetrate enough to kill through the eye if the angle is correct.

I just helped a customer who was car jacked and shot. She took to rounds to the head from to different guns both sub calibers a 22 and a 25. One hit her right eye (now glass) and the other went into her skull causing a huge indention at the top of her head were the hairline starts (she forced me to feel the depression:eek:). She was indeed incapacitated immediately however after 3 brain surgery's she's fully recovered minus the eye.

Snackycake
July 8, 2008, 12:34 PM
Quote: "Thats the perfect example you know why....
It illustrates that one must look for trouble.
Crack whores aren't running around the shopping malls with razor blades.
They are hanging around seedy areas. Why are YOU there.?"


It depends upon the shopping mall... :)

Or, maybe "crack whore" is just my euphamism for "Ex-wife", hah! :D


You are absolutely right, of course. 90% of security for the average person is just staying away from trouble.

But, 10% of the trouble (as a wild guess) comes to find you wherever you are. All three of my civilian concealed weapon "events" occurred in normal suburbia.

Stevie-Ray
July 8, 2008, 11:06 PM
My Seecamp is an always pistol. Its almost always in my back pocket.Same here, only a P32. There was no P3AT when I bought my P32 or I'm sure I would've purchased that. LCP is next; I like the way these tiny guns pack. They shoot pretty good, also.

David Armstrong
July 9, 2008, 12:04 AM
Tons of reading and listening to what experts say is needed to stop a determined threat.
So, in other words, when you say "experience tells me" you actually have no experience, but you've read some stuff and talked to some people. Just wanted to clarify that.
I prefer to put every tool in my box that I can possibly fit before trouble hits no matter how much more rare the need be.
So, you're going to start packing around that S&W .44 Mag with the 6" barrel?
Let me ask you a direct question David. If you could only carry a handgun (since we can't conceal a rifle) & (a handgun that can be easily concealed) what caliber would it be if you knew a gun battle was coming and you couldn't avoid it?
Lots of rifles can be concealed, given the correct dress, and given that I know a fight is coming why would it matter if I was carrying concealed or open? Do I get to have a silencer? Are my opponents mall ninjas? Are we in a dark warehouse with vampires hiding in the rafters? As long as you are playing make-believe, might as well go for the whole thing!:rolleyes:
I know you won't answer the question because I've asked it of you many times without a direct answer.
Stupid questions get the best answer possible, sorry.
And please don't act as though you are the only one who studies this issue.
Huh?? Sorry, you are making things up again. I have never suggested that I'm the only one who studies this stuff. I wish more would, yourself included.
You have a history of....looking down your nose posts...to many TFL members with whom you disagree.
Gosh, cry me a river. My history is of joining into spirited debate with those who present their argument in a reasoned manner, using logic and facts. What I look down on is those who don't use facts or reason, or try to prove their point by doing stupid stuff like "Imagine you know you are going to go into a gunfight in advance...." when discussing CCW issues.

pax
July 9, 2008, 09:48 AM
And this one's done, too.

Guys, here's a hint: when you find yourself looking for creative ways to insult other people because their viewpoints annoy you, it's probably time to get offline and go do something else.

pax