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PB1234
June 9, 2008, 04:10 PM
I noticed that SOG has Winchester 97s on their site. Any one know who made them, if they are any good and how much they cost?

PTK
June 9, 2008, 05:23 PM
Norinco, $209.95 for the "Winchester" model, $289.95 for the walnut furniture model.

CAS use them to good effect, though I prefer real 1897s to the reproductions.

bobn
June 9, 2008, 05:51 PM
i have both a original and the repro 97. iac is now supposed to be the importer of them. to be fair i shoot them both with good results. i really perfer stuff made in new haven but i got to settle for what i can get.....bobn

MAX100
June 9, 2008, 05:58 PM
Some of the Norinco shotguns are very well made but their 97 isn't one of them. To many people have problems out of them. I stop carrying them because I felt the quality wasn't there. Sale them by order only.


GC

bobn
June 9, 2008, 11:21 PM
hm, ahlmans in morristown minn has a bunch of them that IAC built to new specs that cap ahlman help set. i shoot around a bunch of cas guys that shoot tons more than most casual shooters and they have no problems.
....HOWEVER, I am not sure of the relationship of the older norinco guns and the newer IAC guns. maybe there is a big difference. bobn

MAX100
June 10, 2008, 02:33 AM
bobn hm, ahlmans in morristown minn has a bunch of them that IAC built to new specs that cap ahlman help set. i shoot around a bunch of cas guys that shoot tons more than most casual shooters and they have no problems.
....HOWEVER, I am not sure of the relationship of the older norinco guns and the newer IAC guns. maybe there is a big difference. bobn

Why do you think he had them built to new specs. Maybe the old specs had problems.

Most of the CAS that shoot the 97 have had them reworked by a gunsmith that knows them well. They are not stock shotguns. They are very smooth after they have been reworked by a specialist. They have to be for competition speed shooting. Some of them still have problems.

If anyone buys a 97 I would have it rework by a specialist to smooth it out. It will need it for good service. At least the ones I have seen.



GC

bobn
June 10, 2008, 07:06 AM
97s generally are a clunky action, model 12 win replaced them. remington 870 were so smooth thier sales ready surpassed both of them in the 60s and 70s. they do not have a lot of safety features modern guns do.
....however to be fair to pb1234 original question, neither me or max would know exactly which reproduction 97s SOG would be selling. i do know that the later IAC importated 93/97s are decent guns and do work and do not need gunsmith. max obviously doesnt like them. i do. bobn

mpage
June 16, 2008, 06:21 AM
I have one of their trench gun clones, and have always kept it around for HD use. Recently however, I started wondering if this weapon would be more of a liability if fired in self-defense, due to its looks.

Is that a valid concern?

lescoulee
June 19, 2008, 08:51 PM
I have one of their trench gun clones, and have always kept it around for HD use. Recently however, I started wondering if this weapon would be more of a liability if fired in self-defense, due to its looks.

Is that a valid concern?

You're going to get sued, regardless. It might make a difference to a Jury, but if you were in legitimate fear for your life that's a secondary concern, I would think.

Unless, of course, you turned the BG into a martini olive with a 12" bayonet on the end of your trench gun...

:p

sceva
June 19, 2008, 09:29 PM
QUOTE "97s generally are a clunky action, model 12 win replaced them. "

Not really; The 97 remained in production until 1957; only seven years before the original Mod 12 was dropped in 1964.

There was enough demand to continue selling them long after the Mod 12 was introduced. Mine was made in 1954.