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playtheblues
June 2, 2008, 07:24 PM
First post here, so, hello all. I just bought a new F.LLipietta Engraved Colt 1851 Navy Stainless 44 caliber revolver today for $250, shipping included. Just wanted to know if any of you folks have this gun, and if so, how do you like it? It got very good online reviews. I've had a couple of cap and ball guns before, but haven't shot one in a while. Couple of questions: Is a round ball all this pistol will shoot? Also, where is the best (least expensive) place to buy online supplies such as powder and caps? I have plenty of 44 balls and a nice powder flask, and powder, but need some caps. I appreciate any info you folks can provide.
Bill in SC

playtheblues
June 2, 2008, 08:00 PM
Here 'tis.

SDC
June 2, 2008, 09:10 PM
Pietta makes fairly good guns; the "Flli Pietta" marking is just a contraction of "Fratelli Pietta", Italian for "Pietta Brothers". Since these are really only short-range pistols anyway, a round ball is all you should normally need, but if you want to get into casting, you can get Minie-ball style bullets with a hollow base for it. No idea on percussion caps, but since shipping on these is likely to be pretty bad, you're probably better off finding a local supplier.

Bill DeShivs
June 2, 2008, 09:54 PM
It's not engraved, it's laser etched.

playtheblues
June 2, 2008, 10:10 PM
I did not buy it for the engraving/etching, but rather because it is stainless, and small compared to some of the longer revolvers. I do cast my fishing weights, and was planning on casting my .44 balls. And yes, I can get my caps local, but in the case with MANY daily items, I can usually buy stuff online cheaper, even with shipping charges. I appreciate the replies.
Bill in SC

Fingers McGee
June 2, 2008, 11:30 PM
Actually, it's not stainless either; unless they've changed since I bought mine. They're polished in the white. Try getting a magnet to stick to the cylinder and frame. If it does, it's not stainless.

Regardless. They're fun to shoot & clean up easily. I've got 2 in .44 and one in .36.

They work best with .454 round balls. www.bpstuffllc.com is a great source for balls & wads. They will shoot conicals also; but they're highr and arent readily available unless you cast your own. Cabelas is a source for caps. First thing you should do is replace the nipples with Treso's (www.thunder-ridge.com) or stainless steel ones. I prefer Treso. #10 Remingtons fit perfectly on them, and the smaller flash hole reduces the possibility of caps getting blown back into the action.

Bill DeShivs
June 3, 2008, 03:53 AM
The stainless steel used in guns is magnetic.

mykeal
June 3, 2008, 06:35 AM
First of all, not all stainless steels are austenitic. Martensitic steels, which exhibit magnetic properties, are often used for firearms since they are more machinable. It's entirely possible for a stainless steel gun to attract a magnet, so that's not a reliable test.

Having said that however, it's more likely that the gun is nickel plated; I believe that's what Pietta currently markets. They did offer some "polished steel" guns at one time, but I don't think that's in the current catalog. In either case it's a very nice looking gun.

I would suggest that the first thing he does is shoot the gun. In fact, I'd put 50 to 100 rounds through it before I spent $25 on a new set of nipples that he might not need. It might just work perfectly well with the nipples it came with.

playtheblues
June 3, 2008, 07:13 AM
I appreciate the comprehensive replies, folks! Cabelas has it listed as "polished steel". I guess maybe it is not stainless after all.
BB in SC

Fingers McGee
June 3, 2008, 10:39 AM
Bill/Mykeal. The frames and cylinders of my SS C&Bs (six at last count- Colt, Uberti and Pietta) will not hold a magnet - admittedly the barrels will to a degree; but not as tightly as a blued model.

The Pietta Marshal models are not nickel plated. They are polished steel - as the box says. One listing describes it:

"Colt 1851 Navy Yank US Marshal. Excellent reproduction by Pietta.
.44 cal only right now. .36 cal may be available in the future.
We called these Stainless Steel for lack of a better term, but the metal is actually a highly polished steel allow that does not rust easily, and accepts the photo engraving very nicely. Fluted Cylinder. Frame is fully engraved. Walnut Grips. This model has been very popular. A nice shooter as well..........................."

Mykeal - I agree that replacing the nipples may not be necessary - if the gun is only going to be used occasionally for plinking. Stock nipples have flash holes about twice the size of after market Tresos or SS nipples. The smaller flash holes will reduce blowback that casuses cap jams. If the gun is going to be used for any type of competition, replacement nipples will ensure reliability.

playtheblues
June 3, 2008, 11:04 AM
I appreciate that info Fingers. I may indeed replace the nipples as I will probably shoot it pretty regularly.
BB in SC

Suiftwater
June 3, 2008, 11:56 AM
Hallo, I have got one, it is more accurate that I thougt before try it, I have modified the frontal point as you can see in the pic and now all shots are in the center black area at 25 yards.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2648/piettayankyc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I normally charge it with .451 round ball and 16 grains FFFG, this pietta is very good machined, my revolver was made in 1988.

Regards and sorry for my bad english.

playtheblues
June 3, 2008, 12:10 PM
NICE, suiftwater! Don't worry about bad English. I lived here for 54 years and still can't talk right!! :-)
BB in SC
BTW: Can someone suggest a good, inexpensive holster for this pistol? I have lots of leather on hand and might make one myself if I can't find an inexpensive one.

bennadatto
June 3, 2008, 01:53 PM
That sure is a pretty piece ya got there! I guess I know what my next BP pistol purchase is going to be now!

mykeal
June 3, 2008, 02:18 PM
Yep, it's a nice looking gun for sure. I don't have any stainless/nickel/polished steel guns because I personally prefer blued/browned/antiqued finishes. But there's no denying they're nice.

Cabela's actually has 2 engraved .44 cal 1851 Navys listed in "stainless steel" type finish - one is the Marshal's short barrel version, which is called 'polished steel', and the other is a a longer barrel with a 'gold' finish cylinder and a finish claimed to be nickel. I wasn't sure which one playtheblues was referring to.

BTW, I'm a Treso fan personally. I don't think you can go wrong with them for all the reasons mentioned above. But, I like to wear out the OEM nipples before I replace them with Tresos. Sometimes it doesn't take very long.

Hawg
June 3, 2008, 06:35 PM
And yes, I can get my caps local, but in the case with MANY daily items, I can usually buy stuff online cheaper, even with shipping charges.

It's not the shipping charges but the hazmat fees that get you on small items like caps.

rogertc1
June 5, 2008, 12:34 PM
Cabela's has them in polished steel.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006191210070a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&No=18&noImage=0&Ntt=black+powder+pistol&Ntk=Products&QueryText=black+powder+pistol&Ntx=matchall&N=4887&Nty=1


Best bargain in BP:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0054587216473a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&No=0&Ntt=black+powder+pistol&noImage=0&Ntk=Products&QueryText=black+powder+pistol&Ntx=matchall&N=4887&Nty=1

ROG

playtheblues
June 6, 2008, 12:34 PM
Finally got this gem in my hands today. Now, I need to learn it's disassembly procedure from top to bottom! I was pleasantly surprised how nice the trigger pull is from the factory. Very smooth, and light.
BB in SC

playtheblues
June 6, 2008, 12:37 PM
Here is a good breakdown shot of the pistol.

Cimarron Lawman
June 6, 2008, 09:36 PM
I just saw one of these at Buffalo Gun Center. It was polished white steel.

gac55
July 3, 2008, 01:49 PM
Does anyone, know of a used one is? I don't think Buffola Brothers have there's any more, i need to mate mine!
I would be great full for any and all advice!
Thanks Greg

gac55
July 3, 2008, 02:37 PM
CL,
I just called them, there's is new, i was hopeing to buy a used one! Calbela's has them, I live 44 hours from a Cabela's but I can take something up and trade, but they realy know how to stick it to you!! I called them, and they offered me maybe they said $250.00 for my OMV Special Edition, I would only be taking a $300.00 dollar hit!!

If anyone runs acrossed a used one please get a hold of me, it is best to get me buy email!

Smokin_Gun
July 5, 2008, 05:39 AM
I had one a U.S. Marshal 1851 .44 4" barrel...great little cannon. You will love it, if not see what I got to trade. I called her my "Lawless Fancy Lady".
http://i26.tinypic.com/29y5yet.jpg

Added view...and whoever said it wasn't engraved and just lazer ectched knows not the engraving capabilities of a Lazer engraving tool. It engraved it's not etching. :cool:
Playstheblues Congrads a damn good lookin an a good shootin Rev. and ENGRAVED to boot.:D
John, Doc Holiday said He wants one too.
Check it out:eek:
http://i27.tinypic.com/33yklcz.jpg

SG

playtheblues
July 5, 2008, 11:54 AM
I concur that it is one of the sweetest feeling BP pistols I've ever handled. The action is as smooth as a Swiss watch. The trigger pull is amazing for a factory job. It is well balanced and just "fits" my hand perfectly. I hate to admit it, but I have still NOT shot it. Closest place for me to get percussion caps is nearly 50 miles from here. I don't want to have to pay the $20 hazmat fee for a small order, but I may end up doing so.
Bill in SC

Smokin_Gun
July 5, 2008, 01:25 PM
Actually, it's not stainless either; unless they've changed since I bought mine. They're polished in the white. Try getting a magnet to stick to the cylinder and frame. If it does, it's not stainless.

Fingers, there is Magnetic and Non Magnetic stainless it revolvers. My Ruger DA "Police Service Six" Stainless steel is completely magnentic, cylinder and frame. The Euroarms Rem pictured below the Cylinder and Loading lever are not magnetic but the frame is... They are both stainless steel.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2d7uic5.jpg

playtheblues
July 6, 2008, 08:18 AM
I have worked with metals for a long time, but was not familiar with the term "white steel". I did some Googling and came up with a good link. If I am reading correctly, and the description is complicated, "white" steel is a form of stainless steel.
http://www.sppusa.com/reference/white_paper/wp_ss.html
Bill in SC

mykeal
July 6, 2008, 07:39 PM
The term 'white steel', or more commonly, 'steel in the white' used on this and other bp forums generally refers to unfinished (ie, no bluing, browning, parkerizing, plating or painting) metal, rather than a type of steel, stainless or otherwise.

playtheblues
July 7, 2008, 07:31 AM
Well I assure you that this pistol is not just unfinished carbon steel polished white with no finish. There is obviously some chromium in it. I have handled it daily extensively, and have not applied one drop of oil to it, and there is nary a speck of rust on it. Normal unfinished carbon steel will rust overnight without protection.
Bill in SC

mykeal
July 7, 2008, 09:42 AM
Well I assure you that this pistol is not just unfinished carbon steel polished white with no finish.

Nor did I say, or even imply, that it was. I simply provided the common usage definition of the term.

playtheblues
July 7, 2008, 12:27 PM
No, I didn't think you were implying it. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what "white steel" actually is. Once again, from the link I provided, it is complicated. From what I can gather, some forms of white steel are actually stainless. If so, I am wondering why they call my gun white steel rather than stainless. How does "white steel" differ from stainless?
BB in SC

mykeal
July 7, 2008, 01:04 PM
Again, as used on the bp forums, 'white' steel simply refers to finish. The term 'stainless' refers to a family of steels with very specific alloy components, so it's a description of the properties of the metal and not necessarily finish (although stainless steels all generally have shiny, light gray finishes).

A gun may be made from a steel alloy that is similar to a stainless steel but does not contain the elements necessary to qualify to use that term. It may be highly polished and closely resemble stainless steel. Such a gun would be called 'in the white', or 'white steel'. The term simply describes the look and suggests that the exact alloy is either unknown or is known to not be stainless steel.

Describing your gun as 'white' steel simply characterizes the appearance as being like stainless steel without implying one way or the other whether it is actually that alloy. In other words, it's not blued.

playtheblues
July 7, 2008, 01:39 PM
Well, I'm still confused, but that's not unusual. :-) A magnet sticks TIGHT to my pistol. It's certainly not stainless, yet it refuses to even get a hint of rust. I do realize that some stainless is magnetic to a degree. Maybe I will write Pietta and see what the deal is.
BB in SC

Hawg
July 7, 2008, 02:05 PM
I think it's just highly polished. It will rust if not taken care of but will take awhile.

Ricklin
July 7, 2008, 08:47 PM
I agree with Hawg, a high polish will not rust quickly. I have a 1950s FN Mauser it's bolt is in the white and not a speck of rust. When you think about it blueing doesn't do THAT much to prevent rust, it's the gun collector's scourge.

playtheblues
July 7, 2008, 10:32 PM
<I agree with Hawg, a high polish will not rust quickly.>

That would certainly depend on the type metal something was made of. Highly polished carbon steel will rust overnight. The "white" steel obviously has enough chromium in it to not rust quickly. Once again, I've handled this weapon daily, purposely with no oil just to see if it would get a hint of rust. So far, so good. I guess I will oil it soon, as I like to keep my weapons oiled regularly anyhow. Once again, again, :), I was a welder for a good part of my life, and have handled all sorts of metals, but the only "white" steel I ever dealt with was stainless. This "weapon" grade white steel is uncharted territory for me. It's a curiosity to say the least. Wonder why they make many pistols from stainless, yet this one is "white" steel? Easier to engrave? Cheaper? I will say that I am very pleased with it's finish durability.
BB in SC

Hawg
July 7, 2008, 10:44 PM
The more chromium and/or nickel it has will reduce magnetivity. If your magnet sticks tight seems to me it can't have much. I too have Mauser bolts that are bright and shiny and don't get much attention.

blueing doesn't do THAT much to prevent rust

All bluing is is colored rust.

Smokin_Gun
July 8, 2008, 05:09 AM
The more chromium and/or nickel it has will reduce magnetivity. If your magnet sticks tight seems to me it can't have much.

Hawg, all I can tell ya is my Ruger Stainless Steel "Police Service Six" .357mag will hold an antenna type pick M up magnet anyplace on the Rev. You got any DA or Autos in Stainless Steel? The higher dollar type..check um with a magnet you may be surprised. (Higher Dollar Revs is $450-500 and up...HeeHeeHee!)

SG

Hawg
July 8, 2008, 06:23 AM
Nah, I don't do stainless.:p.......Ummmm, come to think of it I do have a very expensive ss rifle barrel. :D

Cimarron Lawman
July 8, 2008, 04:02 PM
According to Mr. Pietta, this model has a superficial heat treatment that helps resist rust. However, it will readily rust if not maintained. The US Firearms China Camp is a good example of a "white steel" gun. It's not stainless, but is made of a special alloy that is only slightly more rust resistant than 4130 carbon steel. And it is true that highly polished carbon steel is slightly more rust resistant than unpolished steel. Polishing seals the pores and discourages rust. As stated, check out the bolt of a Mauser rifle.

Hawg
July 9, 2008, 07:42 AM
Hawg, all I can tell ya is my Ruger Stainless Steel "Police Service Six" .357mag will hold an antenna type pick M up magnet anyplace on the Rev. You got any DA or Autos in Stainless Steel? The higher dollar type..check um with a magnet you may be surprised. (Higher Dollar Revs is $450-500 and up...HeeHeeHee!)

Nah, I don't do stainless........Ummmm, come to think of it I do have a very expensive ss rifle barrel.

Well I just dug out my target rifle with a SS barrel. It was time to anyway, haven't seen it in about a year. I was very surprised. Magnet stuck to it HARD!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/03A3/100_0264.jpg

perilous parker
May 10, 2009, 04:53 PM
Last post on this thread is damn near a year old, hope someone reads this anyway. I bought one of these yesterday at less than the price of a carton of Camels. I thought it was cutsie, other than a few minor scratches on the grips it apears unfired. I get to liking it more and more. I am not a big c&b fan; I just don't have the patients for it. Now being both a SASS member and being cursed with Gemini birth I must have another. Awesome wheel gun for the price!

CaptainCrossman
May 11, 2009, 06:26 AM
is that a true stainless gun, or nickel plating ? be careful, because a lot of these imports are selling "nickel finish" guns, when in fact they have brass frames with nickel plating

check it with a magnet first, if the magnet doesn't stick, it's not stainless, it's nickel plated brass

a local here had a "nickel" C/B for sale, checked it with kitchen magnet, it was actually brass frame

take a stainless kitchen knife, a magnet will stick to it

williamfeldmann
May 11, 2009, 08:36 AM
Captain - These are polished white steel. No plating and not stainless.

I just wish these would come in a .36 cal

Fingers McGee
May 12, 2009, 12:36 AM
They do - or at least did. I've got one and would like to get another.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/100_1704.jpg

FM

mrappe
May 12, 2009, 02:30 AM
They work best with .454 round balls. www.bpstuffllc.com is a great source for balls & wads. They will shoot conicals also; but they're highr and arent readily available unless you cast your own. Cabelas is a source for caps. First thing you should do is replace the nipples with Treso's (www.thunder-ridge.com) or stainless steel ones. I prefer Treso. #10 Remingtons fit perfectly on them, and the smaller flash hole reduces the possibility of caps getting blown back into the action.


Where do I find these nipples. The link given in last years post did not work (www.thunder-ridge.com) . I need to eliminate the caps getting blown back into the action if possible when I am shooting CAS

Also, I have an 1891 mauser that I inheireted from my grandfather that looks like brand new. The polished bolt has never had much oil or grease on it and this is absolutely no rust on it. A magnet sticks tight to it (I just tried it).

mykeal
May 12, 2009, 05:59 AM
I think he meant Track of the Wolf (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(0gn34urhpatqw4jkcjwj4nae))/categories/tableList.aspx?catID=14&subID=171&styleID=785); Thunder Ridge is out of business.

madcratebuilder
May 12, 2009, 07:48 AM
Where do I find these nipples. The link given in last years post did not work (www.thunder-ridge.com) . I need to eliminate the caps getting blown back into the action if possible when I am shooting CAS

A few things you can do to improve the reliability and reduce the cap jams.

New nipples with smaller vent holes reduce blow back.
A heavier hammer spring well reduce blow back but increase trigger pull. Trigger pull can be over come with proper stone and polish work.
Make sure the caps fit the nipple correctly, this may entail modifying the nipple length or diameter/taper.
On the top right side of the recoil shield there is a slot that allows the fired caps to slide out of the frame when cocking, polish this slot so there are no burrs or rough spots on it.
I have seen some folks put a small pin in the hammer slot, under the hammer, in the frame to keep caps from falling into the frame cavity.

I'm sure there are other ideas from members.

Fingers McGee
May 12, 2009, 09:58 AM
Where do I find these nipples. The link given in last years post did not work (www.thunder-ridge.com) . I need to eliminate the caps getting blown back into the action if possible when I am shooting CAS


Back then thunder ridge was still operating. A replacement source is the Possibles Shop http://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-nipples.html,

Bill Akins
April 6, 2011, 03:13 AM
I know this is an ole thread but since it is about the same revolver I'd like to have I responded to it. I know I can get this revolver at Cabelas and other outlets, but if anyone has a good deal on a nice used .44 one please let me know.



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Fingers McGee
April 6, 2011, 11:40 AM
There's one on Gunbroker with a $175.00 opening bid price:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=223560686

Bill Akins
April 7, 2011, 12:05 AM
Gosh, how did I miss that? I check gunbroker almost every day. Thanks for that info Fingers. However,....I see some possible problems and marring of it.

The backstrap just below the hammer appears to have an inordinate gap between the backstrap and the main frame. At least one of the backstrap screw heads is buggered, not a biggie, but apparent. And the worst of all is that someone banged with something metal (probably a screwdriver) and marred up the right side of the wedge and then slipped and badly scratched the barrel just above the wedge messing up the engraving and looks on that side.

Sigh, I just can't understand someone taking metal to the wedge and buggering up the wedge and scratching the barrel like that when a wooden implement would do the job equally as well and with no possibility of scratching and marring. A screw can be replaced. The backstrap might just need its screws tightened. But finding a replacement wedge in that special "white metal" would be hard to do and there is nothing that can be done about the barrel being badly scratched up. I was tempted to bid when I first saw it, but upon looking more closely and further reflection, that buggered up wedge and scratched barrel pretty much ruins it for me. I think I'll wait for one in better shape.




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Fingers McGee
April 7, 2011, 04:31 PM
Well, it is listed as being used. I haven't seen a used one yet that didn't have some dings around the wedge - except mine :D

Hawg
April 7, 2011, 04:55 PM
I don't think it's that bad. If it was a .36 I might even be tempted.

Bill Akins
April 7, 2011, 05:52 PM
Finger McGee wrote:
Well, it is listed as being used. I haven't seen a used one yet that didn't have some dings around the wedge - except mine :D.

"Except mine :D"
Lol, but of course Fingers. That's because we know what we're doing while obviously others who take a ball peen hammer and screwdriver to their wedges don't. Which makes me wonder how well the cylinder and barrel was maintained. The ad didn't say anything about the bore or cylinder condition. If it was just the wedge that was marred, I could make one of those out of stainless steel to match on my mill. But there's not much that can be done about the barrel being badly scratched on the engraving just above the wedge. That would bug me forever. The whole reason for having this model is because of its fine looks.

I know it's used and the price is reasonable, but whoever buggered up that wedge and badly scratched that barrel, obviously did not tighten the screws on the backstrap either, and I'm wondering if maybe the reason the screws aren't tightened and there's that gap between the backstrap and main frame is because maybe the threads in the frame are stripped? Might just be loose screws but could be stripped threads. I don't want to buy it and then find out the worst that the frame threads are stripped. Seeing that gap in the pics is not good. If you were the seller and saw that gap wouldn't you see to it that the screws were tightened....if they could be?

With the gap between the backstrap and frame, plus the buggered up wedge and badly scratched barrel, and realizing whoever owned it did not know what they were doing, that makes me very leery of bidding on that one.

I don't mind paying a bit more for another used one in good shape that doesn't have those detraction's I saw in that one.


But after looking at another (different from that auction) Pietta .44 1851 Marshall as shown below (brand new).....
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/45292/2637010220099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

I also looked at this (brand new) Pietta 1860 .44 Marshall from Marstar of Canada that also appears to be in the same type of polished white metal as the 1851 is made out of.....
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/47237/2874540730099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

I like both revolvers a lot (especially partial to their half fluted cylinders) and naturally would like to have them both. I admit I am a bit more partial to the more sleek design of the 1860's barrel and loading lever. I've only seen the polished 1860 offered by Marstar of Canada and am not sure if it is available from other outlets in the U.S. since I think (but am not sure) that Marstar of Canada products cannot be imported to the U.S.

And then I just found this mate to my other nickel and gold plated 1860 Pietta for sale at $235.00 and even though I only paid $160.00 for mine in almost perfect condition several years ago, with the way things have gone up that isn't a bad price.
http://www.deerridgefarm.com/1860amy2.jpg

So decisions, decisions. Go with a good used 1851 or 1860 Marshall models in polished white metal, or get the mate to my nickel & gold plated 8" barrel 1860. Perhaps instead of saying "decisions, decisions" I should say "addiction, addiction!" Lol.



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Fingers McGee
April 7, 2011, 06:16 PM
I don't think it's that bad. If it was a .36 I might even be tempted.

If it was a .36, we wouldn't be having this conversation - I'd have it already. I need a mate for the '51 I already have.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/100_1704.jpg

And could use a mate for my '61 too:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/Engraved61Navy1.jpg

Bill, I know where you're coming from. On the wedge, I have a pair of the .44 Sheriffs. One has in-the-white screws and wedge, the other has blued screws and wedge like the one in your photo.

FM

bedbugbilly
April 7, 2011, 07:29 PM
playtheblues - man, I don't care if that pistol is made out of gummy bears and has candy corn for nipples! That is one sweet looking revolver! I have a feeling you are really going to enjoy that little beauty and have a lot of fun with it! Good luck to you! :)

Bill Akins
April 7, 2011, 10:10 PM
Fingers, is that '61 of yours the same one I showed a pic of that Marstar of Canada has available? They look the same only yours has the shoulder stock cutouts and I didn't see those on the one from Marstar. Also, where did you get those white grips on your '51 Marshall? Are they PVC? Did it come that way or did you get replacement grips?

Kudos to you Fingers, you have the exact two I would also like to get. Only I like mine in .44 if I can get them that way. I've had .36's in the past and may again, but I think "WHY?". Why have a .36 if the same revolver is available in .44? The .44 is usually only a little larger and with my big hands and with the way I can twirl and sling around my full size 8" barrel '60 Colts, a tiny bit extra weight or size means little to me and I'd rather have the better knock down power of a .44

The only time I would deviate from that is when there is a revolver I really like that is available in .36 only. Such as this ASM I wish they had made in .44 but was only made in .36
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/223732000/223732341/pix640855225.jpg
That ASM kind of reminds me of the Marstar Pietta one and your '61 Pietta fingers. Only I think since I've found that yours and the Marstar one is available in .44, I'm not quite so interested in the .36 ASM anymore. So if I can get the same thing in .44, I'll never get a .36
More knockdown power and just one size of lead balls to deal with cutting down on clutter and confusion of which size balls are in which pouch for which revolver. I like just having one size fits all.

After years of having various blue steel BP revolvers that I had to chase rust on constantly, I'm only attracted to stainless and nickel BP revolvers these days. I haven't bought a blue steel one in decades. The only blue steel BP revolver I would buy to keep is a good used 1858 Remy carbine, and only because they don't make them in stainless or nickel. When I do get one, I'm going to have it nickel plated too. Nickel and stainless just clean so much easier and won't corrode up as easily either. Just my thing. Each to their own.


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Fingers McGee
April 8, 2011, 04:07 PM
Fingers, is that '61 of yours the same one I showed a pic of that Marstar of Canada has available? They look the same only yours has the shoulder stock cutouts and I didn't see those on the one from Marstar. Also, where did you get those white grips on your '51 Marshall? Are they PVC? Did it come that way or did you get replacement grips?

No, the Marstar one in your picture is a .44 Cal 1860 Army Sheriffs model. Mine is a .36 Cal 1861 Navy Sheriffs model. The steel BS, steel TG, and grips on the .36cal '51 model came from an EMF Great Western II. It came originally with Pietta's standard brass square back trigger guard, brass backstrap, and walnut grips. I don't like the shape of Pietta 1851 grips and change them when I can. I have a steel BS and TG for the '61; but don't have grips for it yet.

ZVP
April 8, 2011, 04:10 PM
SUIFTWATER,
Purty little pistol!
I noticed the load you posted, don't you think it's a mite anemic for a .44 load?
I know that the manufacturer promotes super light loads for legal reasons but you might get better preformance with at least a 25 gr load.
If the frame material is just silver plated brass, then hold to a 20-22 gr load but if the frame is steel it will handle (and shoot more accurately) if you "up" the powder charge a bit. For instance I load my .36 caliber Steel, Uberti London at 22-25 gr and I load my Steel Remington at 35 grains.
JMHO,
ZVP

Hawg
April 8, 2011, 05:56 PM
ZVP, you're answering a post almost three years old and he hasn't made a post in over a year.

Hardy
April 8, 2011, 08:30 PM
Great Gun and Rems. Has anyone got any info on a Reb Remington made by Richmond Arms during the war, or was some reinactor on some pipe dream. He says it belonged to his great great grandfather who rode in the Hampton Legions and he still fires it. But he Never brought it to store-- We never saw it?

Fingers McGee
April 9, 2011, 03:12 PM
There was no 'Reb Remington' made during the war. There was however the brass framed Spiller and Burr, and spur trigger Cofer revolver. Both were brass framed and resembled the Remington

Foto Joe
April 9, 2011, 05:24 PM
Etched, engraved, stainless or in the white. Those are purdy little hand cannons.

I'm going to have to go back to work in a few weeks so I can get off of gun re-hab and buy another.

starbuck125
April 9, 2011, 09:29 PM
been wanting one of those for awhile now, i like how my 51"s fits my hand, got 2 of them. both are steel framed, one of them is nickel plated that i got a few years back for a song:D.
fingers, thanks... now i'm wanting one of those sheriff models like yours....guess i need to start dropping hints to the wife, fathers day is coming up:D

Hardy
April 10, 2011, 07:49 PM
Thanks Fingers I didn't think so. I guess you can't believe everyone that walks into shop.

Fingers McGee
April 10, 2011, 10:42 PM
I was away from home when I posted yesterday & didn't have any of my books handy. I didn't remember where the Cofer revolver was made. They were made in Portsmouth VA. There were some 80 or so of the Cofers bought by the 5th Virginia Cavalry, so.......

The Cofer looks a lot like the '58 Remmie; only it has a spur trigger like the .31 cal Remmie pocket pistols

Fingers McGee
April 12, 2011, 10:32 PM
I don't mind paying a bit more for another used one in good shape that doesn't have those detraction's I saw in that one.



Bill,

Here's another one on GB; although the listing erroneously says it's nickel plated:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=224310108