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P99AS9
May 13, 2008, 01:13 PM
What is your favorite full-auto handgun and why?

PTK
May 13, 2008, 01:20 PM
I doubt more than a few people here have even handled, let alone fired, a FA handgun.

rantingredneck
May 13, 2008, 01:26 PM
That was kinda my thought too. I'd like to fire a G18 or 93R but never have even seen one in person.

VUPDblue
May 13, 2008, 01:56 PM
They're all equally useless IMHO, but I've used the G18 and I know some officers who carry them. That said, if given the choice, I'd carry a semi only Glock before I carried a full auto Glock any day. (or any other manufacturer for that matter)

Firepower!
May 13, 2008, 06:46 PM
I own a Stichken APS and it is the best. It select fires those 9x18 very accurately and manageable recoil during rapid fire.

Clsoe second will be g18 cuz it has hight mag cap.

Also have Mauser...too big. And Hkvp70....hideous.

hoytinak
May 13, 2008, 06:57 PM
I only one I've ever played with was an older 93R, it still had the ported barrel. Along with the forend grip and folding stock it wasn't too bad to shoot. I think any and all full-auto pistols are pretty useless, but I'd still like to shoot some more just for the fun of it. :)

AutoPistola
May 13, 2008, 09:48 PM
:cool:
the 93R is probably the most "useful". I voted CZ for the hell of it.

Rant Casey
May 14, 2008, 02:53 AM
The glock is the only one ive fired. It was quite a bit of fun but I don't see it's usefullness aside from some range fun.

SDC
May 14, 2008, 07:11 AM
I've fired converted Hi-Powers and Glocks, but the problem with just about ALL FA handguns is that their cyclic rate is so high, they climb like a SOB, and you end up dumping much of the mag. A forward grip, like on the 93R or the FA CZ really helps with this, but when you start to get that big, you may as well get a real SMG anyway.

GeorgeF
May 14, 2008, 03:28 PM
Ive only fired my Schnellfeuer - couldnt give any info on others.

Chipperman
May 14, 2008, 04:17 PM
The only one I've ever fired is a Stechkin. Controllable, fun. Watch the slide, though. It can hit you in the forehead if you're not careful!!

.351winchester
May 14, 2008, 05:22 PM
The Monarch Gun Co. "Steady Fire and Multi-Shot Riot and Anti-Bandit Gun", Frankenguns built from kits and Colt Gov. Models by Hyman Lebman of San Antonio. The .45 had a 18 rd, .38 Super held 4 extra. Originally designed for the LAPD for deployment from motorcycle sidecars, the notorious "Baby Machine Gun" sported a Cutts style comp, and a cut down TSMG foregrip. Lebman was Baby Face Nelson's personal gunsmith, and soon the whole crew added them to their armories in both cal's (Dillinger's was a gift from Nelson upon busting out of Crown Point; Nelson lugged his Super .38 around as a constant carry PDW in his last days, the same one he murdered Agent Carter Baum with, an act that more or less resulted in the creation the FBI as it exists today). I like this period of history (My God, can you imagine ordering and having this delivered to your doorstep?), so I'll go with this one.
Check out the curved mag in the pic I just found to use, never saw that before.

Mac-11 and Micro Uzi count? Suomi Jatimatic? Skorpion needs up there. Baddest .32 ever.

P99AS9
May 15, 2008, 09:26 AM
Mac-11 and Micro Uzi count? Suomi Jatimatic? Skorpion needs up there. Baddest .32 ever

Those are submachine guns

PTK
May 15, 2008, 11:56 AM
P99AS9

Those, actually, are pistols with stocks, much like the poll options. Besides, a FA pistols is a submachinegun!

.351winchester
May 15, 2008, 03:29 PM
I consider them machine pistols due to size, despite having a bolt instead of a slide. MAC 11s and Skorpions have belt holsters available, complete with mag and silencer pouches built in, both have stubby carry mags available. The Skorpion is always called a MP insted of SMG, the little MAC too. More compact than a HK Mark 23. I believe the VP-70 cannot rock n' roll without the detachable stock in place.
These blur the line, seem more of the pistol type though with cyclic rates and such. Both their stocks (Mac and Skorpion) are a joke.

The Jatimatic has no way to attach a stock (and can reportedly be controlled one handed on auto) but is probably bigger than MP5-K. Maybe those 2 and others like them such as the KG-9 auto, or the chopped and channeled Swedish K's of Vietnam, are just subs or PDWs without a stock...they fit any category but are too big to be called MPs, stock or no stock.

The first subguns, the huge, wood stocked, carbine sized tubers, were termed machine pistol, before and a little after the term submachinegun was coined for the TSMG. According to the designer for HK, the full MP-5A2 is one.

Machine pistols generally have a notorious and unsavory rep. They are usually not tactically sound choices for LE, SD, or Military use for most any application, to the point a regular pistol would be prefered. It takes a lot of training and practice to handle proficiently. Some anti-piracy ship security teams use Glock 18s, and the Stechkin gets a lot of play in Russian gangbusting. Otherwise, just a concealable ambush buster which found their niche with revolutionaries, traffickers, hit squads, hijackers and desperadoes. Not to say it's inherently evil, just that for the most part they fit the BG gun stereotype.
I think they would be fun as hell to play with. Shot a Spectre SMG long ago (stock folded over), could have done that all day :)

freakshow10mm
May 15, 2008, 03:34 PM
Stechkins are cool. I've always like the Skorpion. The R93 looks cool. I think all in all the machine pistols are a curious bunch.

When I get my class II SOT, I'm going to have some fun experimenting with conversions.

FM451
May 31, 2008, 12:29 PM
A very impressive looking weapon (shown here in 2 publicity stills from the 1972 film "Sitting Target"). In this film, the FA pistol had not only a shoulder stock and 20 round magazine, but a telescopic sight as well!

While not entirely practical, the Mauser Schnellfeuer probably saw more real action (particularly in China) than its mordern rivals, and greater production (100,000 pieces for the Mauser). The Beretta, H&K VP-70, CZ-75, Astra & Star machine pistols had much smaller production figures, as far as I've been able to determine. The Stetchkin and Skorpion machine pistols seem to have seen more use than their western counterparts; I've always been curious if their production came close to that of the Mauser machine pistol.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9848/oliverreedianmcshanesithf0.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oliverreedianmcshanesithf0.jpg)
Ian McShane and Oliver Reed, from Sitting Target

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Oliver Reed and his little friend, from Sitting Target

FyredUp
June 17, 2008, 10:45 PM
.351winchester...

That full auto .45 with the Thompson foregrip is just plain cool looking. It may not be very practical but I would buy one in a heartbeat just for the extreme coolness of it.

David Hineline
June 18, 2008, 02:25 AM
Yes the Glock 18 is so uncontrollable that I have to shoot two of them at once to keep them level.

http://myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/twoglocks.jpg

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Webleymkv
June 18, 2008, 08:28 PM
The VZ-61 Skorpion would probably be my choice as it is one of the few really controlable Machine Pistols due both to it's small caliber and rate reducer.

Cool Hand
July 15, 2008, 12:28 AM
I shot a MAC-10 when I was about 14 years old and fell in love, but I think I would rather have a Glock 18 with a secondary verticle grip.

royke
December 16, 2009, 10:36 PM
Mauser copy Super Azul is a lot of fun to shoot, control fades quickly though on any but the shortest burst, stock needed for any control at all. The Chinese used to turn this type of weapon sideways to traverse on Japanese up close....
It made a carbine at longer ranges...... The little Trejo pistols are tremendous fun to shoot in .22LR, makes an MG42 sound slow by comparision, Blaaaat......
The 7 round mag of the Modelo 1 vanished in a heartbeat..... The 10 round mag of the Modelo 2 Especial a hair longer....... 7 to 10 rounds of .22LR in 1/3 of a second up close would likely hit like a load of buckshot with less wear and tear on the hand and wrist.......:D