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P99AS9
May 13, 2008, 12:57 PM
What is your favorite moden sub machinegun and why?

VUPDblue
May 13, 2008, 01:54 PM
UZI. Accurate, reliable, and ubiquitus. As far as I'm concerned, the UZI is THE SMG.

Dragunov54
May 13, 2008, 05:36 PM
Beretta M12. Very reliable, super compact, and no recoil!

Firepower!
May 13, 2008, 06:49 PM
Hk MP5 but K.

tplumeri
May 13, 2008, 07:18 PM
Thompson

AutoPistola
May 13, 2008, 09:44 PM
I chose the Steyr TMP. Kind of like a modern mini uzi with a twist!

P99AS9
May 14, 2008, 12:41 PM
Thompson

The Thompson is not modern. It was designed in the 20's.

Silvanus
May 14, 2008, 02:09 PM
The M3 Grease Gun was designed in the 40s...not exactly what I would call "modern" either:p

tplumeri
May 14, 2008, 05:36 PM
The Thompson is not modern. It was designed in the 20's.

Really? I'll be darned. I thought Kahr just just started making 'em in the last few years with state of the art machining.
Guess you cant believe everything you read.

.351winchester
May 14, 2008, 08:02 PM
LOL :D

I went with the UMP...maybe the last conventional subgun we'll see? Anyway it's a good .45 chopper with that Walther MP profile for control, folds up compact...

Nothing could replace a Thompson (wouldn't mind a Sterling either) but if a Genie popped out of a bottle today, that's what I'd ask for.

Kahr, I'll be laughing about that all night :D Classic

Who voted for the grease gun?

LiquidTension7
May 14, 2008, 08:52 PM
My M11 with Lage upper is outstanding. I had an Uzi for a while - don't anymore and I'm not upset in the slightest. I've got the 750rpm bolt in the Lage. Who needs a burst setting when you can just pull off 2s, 3s, 4s whatever at will?

SDC
May 15, 2008, 07:53 AM
I would probably vote for the MP5, but the Jatimatic is an interesting design that would come in second.

Musketeer
May 15, 2008, 08:37 AM
The MP 5 but in 10mm. There are FBI agents who were assigned them and still refuse to "upgrade" to something newer. Easily handled, reliable, accurate and powerful. Not a .223 but as much as you are going to get out of a sub gun and be controllable.

freakshow10mm
May 15, 2008, 03:37 PM
MP5-10mm for sure.

BreacherUp!
May 30, 2008, 09:34 PM
There are FBI agents who were assigned them and still refuse to "upgrade" to something newer

They might refuse all they want. the MP5-10 is going away, forever.

hknut
June 2, 2008, 02:22 AM
Of the guns you listed, I would have to go with the MP5. I have sho 3 diffrent versions, my all time favorite is th SD3. Followed by the UMP. However the grease gun puts a smile on everyones face. ;)

hkg3
June 5, 2008, 08:40 PM
Mp5sd

Lavid2002
June 5, 2008, 08:55 PM
uzi uzi uzi!
I once fired over 12 SMGs in a day, and in comparison the uzi was the best for me being a beginner. It must be excellent once you get a few thousand rounds thru it, sat nicely on target where the mp5 would dance the rounds all over.

mpage
June 7, 2008, 02:18 AM
PPs-43; best SMG of WWII.

otter7467
June 17, 2008, 07:03 PM
I've only shot the Uzi and MP5

Vote goes to the MP5, but I do want to try the P90 suppressed

rugerdude
June 26, 2008, 12:44 PM
I've shot an Uzi and an MP-5 as well. I have to go with the Uzi. Kinda odd feeling due to the open bolt design, but I could keep it on target much better than the MP-5, which translates to more accuraccy out of a shorter weapon.

The Mp-5 liked to try and run away, while I could just keep chuggin 3 round bursts out of the uzi and keep them all on a steel torso at 25 yards.

buzz_knox
June 26, 2008, 01:26 PM
I've shot an Uzi and an MP-5 as well. I have to go with the Uzi. Kinda odd feeling due to the open bolt design, but I could keep it on target much better than the MP-5, which translates to more accuraccy out of a shorter weapon.


My experience was the same. The MP-5 is fun, but the Uzi almost allowed you to write your name with the stream of fire.

The Uzi and the Glock 17 converted to select fire are my favorites. With a shoulder stock and good grip, the pseudo 18 is amazing controllable. In one-handed fire, not so much.

Crosshair
June 27, 2008, 01:09 AM
They might refuse all they want. the MP5-10 is going away, forever.
Too bad. I never understood this infatuation with the .223 and short barrels. It's a match made in hell. Ungodly muzzle blast/flash, especially in semi-confined areas, and questionable terminal performance when you start chopping the barrels down really short. (16" is as short as I would go.) Not to mention the increase in reliability problems due to the gas system timing.

Then you have increased shooter fatigue. (Experience it at the range when someone has a 20" AR vs a 16" AR.) Increased hearing damage. Increased chance of setting something on fire that you didn't mean to. (Seen it happen at the range.) Increased chance of injuring someone who is next to you with the muzzle blast and increasing THEIR fatigue level.

After all this you STILL don't have a weapon that is as quick and compact as a submachinegun. If you want to be able to penetrate soft body armor, use AP 9mm ammo. It's available to military/LEO and has been for years.

/just ranting.