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armedandsafe
April 6, 2008, 01:15 PM
I don't want to hijack the thread on aggressive officers, so I am starting a poll, just because I'm curious.

I'm asking the LEO on this forum, have you recieved training in using "Command Voice?" Those of you who have will recognise what I'm asking and most of those who haven't won't know what in the world I'm talking about. :D

Pops

pax
April 6, 2008, 01:17 PM
Not a LEO, but I got training in using a "command voice" during the very first defensive firearms class I ever took, from Marty Hayes at the Firearms Academy of Seattle. (www.firearmsacademy.com)

Good and necessary stuff. (But most parents already know it ... ;) )

pax

bestbod85
April 6, 2008, 02:58 PM
yes, during Corrections officer training

Whirlwind06
April 7, 2008, 11:08 AM
Yes, learned it while raising 2 kids :)

ZeSpectre
April 7, 2008, 11:57 AM
SIR! PLEASE STEP BACK FROM THE KEYBOARD <grin>.
In other words, yes.

I'm long out of any LE related work but someone surprised me a while back and I automatically responded w/command voice. My wife laughed later but the homeless guy backed right off :D

TwoXForr
April 7, 2008, 12:57 PM
Not any formal training, just kinda developed naturally over the career.

grymster2007
April 7, 2008, 03:01 PM
"Command Voice" training

Is that were they teach the officer to repeat the same command over and over and over and over?

When I think about it, kinda makes sense, but if I'm watching something like Cops, it wears on me a bit. Well... it wore on me a bit... don't much watch that type of show anymore, even though I did enjoy seeing lowlifes getting arrested.

Creature
April 7, 2008, 03:35 PM
Perfected mine in the Military.

38SnubFan
April 7, 2008, 10:03 PM
Not directly LEO here, but I got my training from those who currently work or have retired from the field, as my part-time job (Bail Enforcement) requires me to use the same/similar techniques when apprehending a defendant.

I have to admit, it was uncomfortable for me to use the skills I learned (I've never been a very confrontational person). Nowadays, it becomes a second nature. (Have 2 young boys to raise too, so it becomes rather commonplace LOL).

-38SnubFan

Sarge
April 7, 2008, 10:19 PM
I checked 'academy' circa 1980.

It is a tool to be used sparingly.

jfrey123
April 7, 2008, 10:49 PM
Edit: Oops, just noticed the LEO requirement listed above. Please discount my vote...


Voted academy. Did 4 years of JROTC in high school, and had plans to go career military with it. Learned command voice my freshman year when I was made a squad leader and assistant drill team commander.

A booming, authoritative voice is fun in certain situations... :D

armedandsafe
April 8, 2008, 08:48 PM
Jfrey, the reason I put the LEO requirement in there for the vote was to tie it to the previous thread on overly aggresive attitudes on the part of CHP officers. I was just curious.

I'm enjoying the comparison to raising kids. I just retired from herding kids (school bus driver.:D:D:D )

Pops

ChewToy
April 11, 2008, 12:04 PM
This is one of the hardest things to teach Security Forces newbies in the Air Force. Most of the time we're working with 18-20 Y/O's, it's one of the toughest things to get them to do properly. It's definitely an important skill as the balance of calm and chaos rests on the partrolman being in charge and giving that impression from the begining.

scorpiusdeus
April 11, 2008, 12:09 PM
Yes, learned it while raising 2 kids

Best reply yet. :D

Aquanewt
April 11, 2008, 07:51 PM
We were told about it in basic academy training and then it came up again during in service classes. Anyone with street time learned how effective a good one was and how useless a poor one was.

T. O'Heir
April 13, 2008, 01:43 AM
Nope, but I taught it to NCO candidates/trainees while in the Queen's Service. The 'voice' is about getting people to do what you want by being confident in yourself and being the one who will make a decision. Most people can't or don't want to make a decision and will do what the decision maker tells them to do. It's actually part of 'Leadership 101'.
"...Please discount my vote..." This isn't a democracy!

chrisandclauida2
April 13, 2008, 04:44 AM
your body language and voice i.e. verbal commands are the first steps on the continuum of force.

gordo_gun_guy
April 13, 2008, 08:53 AM
Not an LEO, but I've been trained on "command voice" in the military--originally, in the context of military drill and basic officership, but also (as the counterinsurgency goes on) in a more LE-like escalation of force context, too....:eek:

Kids: I don't often raise my voice with my children, preferring first reasoning/golden rule (you wouldn't you like it if your brother hit you in the head, would you?), then expressed disappointment, and finally a good shaming/quiet chewing out....BUT, the few times I've used the command voice, they've invariably started crying.:D

pax
April 13, 2008, 09:08 AM
Kids: I don't often raise my voice with my children...

Well, you can't, or it loses effectiveness. :)

To me, the voice isn't for situations where reasoning might do what needs to be done. I've always used it simply to STOP the action when nothing else will effectively and immediately do the job, such as when a 3-year-old just starts to dart away in a busy parking lot when there's a car coming. When the kid hears that tone of voice, he knows it's important and he knows he'd better stop Right Now. More to the point, done right, a good command voice does make everyone stop in shock for a moment whether they're the ones being addressed or not.

I figure a good cop probably uses the voice analogously to the above: not too often, rarely or never where reason or another method will work, and mostly to quickly and effectively stop the action when nothing else will do the job.

My .02! :)

pax

armedandsafe
April 13, 2008, 04:17 PM
My .02!

I think you misplaced the decimal point to the left in that comment. :D

Pops

Timbow
April 13, 2008, 11:12 PM
That's all they preached in drill in the academy. It doesn't take long to figure out when you need to use it and when you don't. It's always best to start out at as low a level as possible then escalate as necessary based on the situation. Of course if the subject is armed and the situation is deadly force, the continuum is lost and you do what you gotta do to survive and protect the public.

tc556guy
April 22, 2008, 12:01 AM
Yeah, its pretty much drummed into you during your initial officer survival training that you MUST control any situation you get involved in. Command voice is the first step in the use of force wheel.

Tanzer
April 22, 2008, 05:56 AM
Not LEO. Trained in crisis intervention as part of the CPI (Crisis Prevention/Intervention) unit @ a shcool (just kidding) school for "at risk" (insert descriptive language here). Later went into elementary (and managed to see CPI implemented - really needed it here). Meanwhile trained w/ and ex FBI supervisory trainer who also worked w/ the local AG's office.
Kinda' Remember my drill seargent also; "Alright you weak little maggots! Yer gonna be runnin a bit faster today! You aint disgracing me, your momma or your country by fallin behind! Any o' yew larvae got any questions?

djc7
April 23, 2008, 05:18 PM
Yes. I got that training in the Air Force (Security Forces). Plus, I observe it occasionally from my wife when I upset her. ;)

johnnypi45
April 25, 2008, 10:20 AM
I have learned it in the Air Force. I'm normally an extremely passive person, and let me tell you, this really put me out of my "comfort zone" but probably for the better. Working basic training and similar situations, really made me come out of my shell some. I even find myself talking louder in my normal voice than I used to.

shooter_john
April 25, 2008, 02:35 PM
Yes, LEO Academy, 2004, and it is continually stressed through our defensive tactics/ officer safety and SWAT training. I agree with pax especially when dealing w/ kids though, it can definitely lose it's power with the wee ones. And I am yet to go 'Deputy' on my son without getting that heartbreaking face and a few tears, so I reserve it for the worst of situations. Fortunately 99% of the time he is great kid but he is ALWAYS 110% little boy!

parrothead2581
April 26, 2008, 05:31 PM
You betcha. Although, mine isn't much above my "normal" voice. I have had to learn to lower my voice for typical conversations. I was often mistaken for my father over the phone...at around 13 years old.

That's genetics and testosterone for ya...