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pfch1977
March 29, 2008, 01:09 PM
There is a trend in which 3 or 4 hooligans pounce on an unexpecting victim all at once. Mainly I have seen this around here with defenseless homeless, but now its spreading to regular working people on the street.

How does one protect themselves from such gang attack? What does a person look for in the neighborhood?

MLeake
March 29, 2008, 01:15 PM
Avoid those neighborhoods.

Avoid unlit or shadowed areas.

Be careful nearing corners.

Walk like you know where you are going.

Carry yourself like you know what you are doing.

And avoid those neighborhoods.

Cheers,

M

lanternlad
March 29, 2008, 06:45 PM
Also, look around repeatedly as you are walking. Muggers tend to go for unsuspecting people. Be aware of your surroundings at all times.

Sparky33
March 29, 2008, 07:37 PM
Appear to not be the "easy" target, avoid blindly walking along with you Ipod on, jacking with your cell phone, etc. Be aware. With that said I wouldn't be super obvious with my awareness, ie glaring at the potential "threats". That is just begging for the "What are you looking at" or "You got something to say" agressive lines. The rule I always go by is to act like you belong there.

Topthis
March 29, 2008, 07:55 PM
This type of "tactic" has been going on for a long time now, actually. Gangsters, thieves etc. have always prey on those that are vulnerable. I have taught martial arts now for a little over 20 years now and have always tried to teach my kids to never be ALONE in unfamiliar areas, never be ALONE in dark and desolate areas etc. The key in these circumstances is that most of the folks that are being attacked are alone. If you have to be travelling alone, then try to stay in places that are populated and not desolate.

Bloody Bill Anderson
March 29, 2008, 08:29 PM
Avoid that neighborhood. Or burn it out!

Wildalaska
March 29, 2008, 08:42 PM
Avoid that neighborhood. Or burn it out!

O thats special:cool:

WilduhhuhAlaska TM

kgpcr
March 29, 2008, 08:59 PM
Bring in a little napalm and cook her on down!! Robing Williams Good mornign Vietnam.

I would simply avoid the area and if i did have to be there it would be heads up. No dark alleys, No daydreaming. Be aware and be smart.

Hawg Haggen
March 29, 2008, 09:24 PM
O thats special

Ain't it tho. It's worked in other places.:p

Tundergun
March 30, 2008, 04:37 AM
Avoid what area? It's not like the bad guys are waiting in there neighborhood for an unsuspecting person to come along. If their needy there going wherever to get what they need.

MLeake
March 30, 2008, 07:10 AM
.... sure, the bad guys can go to different neighborhoods.

Still, some neighborhoods earn reputations for being more dangerous than others.

Bedford-Stuy in New York, Cabrini Green in Chicago, the Combat Zone in Boston, Rampart and South Central in LA, the South Orange Blossom Trail and Pine Hills areas of Orlando are all examples.

To a lesser extent, most cities have their more dangerous neighborhoods. Look where the majority of muggings, armed robberies, drug busts, rapes, and homicides occur; your local paper will usually have those stats.

Avoid those neighborhoods, and your odds of gang encounters drop dramatically.

You could as easily say that, hey, sharks are everywhere, so you could run into them anywhere in the ocean.

That may be true, but I still choose to avoid those areas where surf fisherman are casting bait; chum has been put in the water; guys have speared fish on lines; deep channels move through shallows; the shoreward side of shoals and sandbanks after the tide has gone low.

Cheers,

M

Dwight55
March 30, 2008, 01:35 PM
Just remember momma's dinner time rule if you happen to get into it with 3, 4, or more hooligans:

Everyone gets "firsts" before anyone gets "seconds". Put 230 grains of copper plated lead into each one as fast as you can, . . . once you have determined that your life is in danger, . . . and you have no other way of extricating yourself from said situation.

You may have to explain yourself to cops, a DA, a judge, and even more than one jury, . . . but it beats the heck out of having your mail delivered by the local ground hog.

May God bless,
Dwight

Rifleman 173
March 30, 2008, 05:11 PM
I think that before one ventures out that they should reasonably be aware of the areas through which they will be travelling. In addition, one should be aware of what is all around them and when possible walk as close to a wall as possible. If you walk near a wall, all you do is turn 90 degrees and put your back next the wall. That way nobody sneaks up on you. Posts make lousy protection devices because somebody will always try to sneak around one to get to you. If you have the chance, step back into a doorway or recess which will make approaching you even harder. Watch for people spread out along the sidewalk and one or two walking towards you. If you see two standing along the curb and two walking towards you expect an ambush type attack. Also be very leery of somebody approaching you with a, "Hey, Mister..." That could be the last thing that you hear because his buddy is striking you from behind. If you carry concealed think about where you need to have your gun for a sudden attack. Do you want your gun in a holster on your strong side or would it be better to have it in a coat pocket in your hand and ready? Do you walk with your hand in your pocket? The reason I ask is because I talked to a mugger who said that he NEVER would try to attack a person with their hand in their pocket because he thought that those people either had a gun or an open knife ready to go for fighting. What muggers look for are the perpetual victim or easy mark. The person who walks with their head down and looks timid but well dressed. Got that? Show some bling and look mousey, well, you're marked for a take down. Walk like you're angry, strong or proud and most muggers will leave you alone. Also make noise... yell... when confronted. Muggers hate noise, attention and light. Don't walk down dimly lit streets. Use your head. Scan ahead and if it looks dark in the middle of the block, go around that area by means of another well lighted street. Stay away from wooded areas like parks, cemeteries, etc. at night. If you know that you're going to be out late at night, carry something deceptive for clubbing a dirtbag like an umbrella or cane. If you're going to carry an umbrella or cane, know how to use it in a defensive manner. Don't leave anything behind at the scene when you leave either. Remember, when possible, try to "mark" your attacker in some fashion. If you are attacked or grabbed, and if you have a knife handy, slice the dirtbag deep across the belly or face really good to identify him later on if you need it. So what if you take out an eye of his? What's he going to do? Sue you? No, more than likely he'll try to say he was attacked "by some gangbangers" instead of admitting that he tried to rob somebody. If you do get attacked, do not and I mean NEVER again use that route home if it is at all possible. Just in case, have your attorney's phone number on speed dial should you need it or feel the need to talk to somebody of the legal profession.

workinwifdakids
March 30, 2008, 08:48 PM
Bedford-Stuy in New York, Cabrini Green in Chicago, the Combat Zone in Boston, Rampart and South Central in LA, the South Orange Blossom Trail and Pine Hills areas of Orlando are all examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Los_Angeles

Oh, you racist bastard! I'll have you know it's SOUTH Los Angeles now, not SOUTH CENTRAL. They changed the name, so that all the bad people would leave, and now skittles fall from rainbows into the mouths of smiling nuns.
:D
</snark>

jrothWA
March 30, 2008, 10:49 PM
Be aware of surroundings, keep eye and ears open.
Walk with purpose. (and carry a big stick)

MLeake
March 31, 2008, 01:37 PM
... but those are the areas of those cities with the highest per capita levels of violent crime.

We had some rougher neighborhoods where I grew up, which was 99% white. The rates weren't as dramatic, but we still had some not-so-safe places.

Cheers,

M

Lavid2002
March 31, 2008, 03:18 PM
+1 to everything said, p.s. saying carry an item for striking IE umbrella brought this tom mind hahaha
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg
Pretty funny

MLeake
March 31, 2008, 03:39 PM
... and his points mirror mine, for the most part, though expanded and more detailed.

However, I am not so sure about the moving along a wall part. In the middle portion of a building, this could be fine, but not necessarily even then.

The problems are doorways, recesses, and corners.

If you are along the wall, there are stretches where it can give you a wall to put at your back. But there are also good hiding points for potential attackers, and if you are right up on the wall, you are both in grab range and blocking your potential lines of sight around those corners.

Be aware of walls, and ready to use them, but stay out of easy arm's reach of recesses, doorways, shadows, and corners.

Cheers,

M

MLeake
March 31, 2008, 03:41 PM
... but listen to your sixth sense, too.

If something seems wrong, even if you don't know why, then something may very well be wrong.

At those times, listen more carefully, and be ready to leave.

Cheers,

M

workinwifdakids
March 31, 2008, 11:08 PM
MLeake, my apologies. I was trying to be funny, and it didn't come across right. I'm sorry.

What I was saying is that the liberals decided to change the name of a terrible place, hoping the place would change. We know better.

MLeake
April 1, 2008, 06:24 AM
Workinwifdakids,

No worries. I thought you were joking. But after reading that, I could see how people could actually interpret my post that way. Some folks have their own agendas on those issues; they write to my local paper after every report of a crime.

I just wanted to make sure I didn't feed that particular machine.

Cheers,

M

PS I agree with your comments on the PC crowd and some of the ridiculous fixes they think they have come up with.

alizeefan
April 2, 2008, 04:04 AM
All the suggestions here are very good common sense answers and should be followed. The thing I have noticed with some threads though is an idea that there is an answer to ALL the scenarios being put forward and sometimes there just isn't. If your set upon by 20 " gang bangers " in a dead end street or something well your pretty much ****ed.

Not suggesting that you would just quit the fight but we all are human and guess what, life is one big risk. You win some and you lose some. You just do your best till your time is up.

thrgunsmith
April 2, 2008, 06:00 AM
that put me in jeopardy of being mugged and it happened quite often.
9.9 times I saw it coming but ignored the red flags.

For some reason when I'm walking late at night (I work nights)
and I have my hand on my 642, no one bothers me.

There is no need for anyone to crowd me because at 0330
no one is on the street, anyone crowding me is probably up to no good and I give them wide berth, if they pursue, that means trouble.

One time a guy got real close with a small concealed knife I verbally deescalated before I knew he even had it in my hand .

He was close enough to stab me before I could have shot him from concealment.

I realize I need a lot more real combat skills then just hitting my target

BreacherUp!
April 3, 2008, 08:27 PM
Oh, you racist bastard! I'll have you know it's SOUTH Los Angeles now, not SOUTH CENTRAL
Nah, still called South Central, or South End, or The Mogue

dberry
April 3, 2008, 09:54 PM
1.Avoid danger areas if possible.
2.Be aware of everythibng around you.
3.Be trained to act and choose the right tactic.

stephen426
April 3, 2008, 10:27 PM
Since so many people already mentioned the "Try not to be an unsuspecting victim", then I will address what I would do if I was already in such a situation.

The most important thing is to protect your head and face to minimize the chances of serious injury. It will be very difficult to draw and get a shot off it you are already on the ground getting the snot kicked out of you. There is even a very good chance you will lose your gun and possible have it used against you. Besides, the chances of getting off an aimed shot is slim to none and you might hit bystanders.

I would look for an opportunity to go for a shot to the knees or groin. Make a hard decisive strike since you want to incapacitate any attacker as quickly as possible. If I had a chance, I would go for my knife and slash at anyone close enough. If you get them to back off, then go for your gun.

Bloody Bill Anderson
April 4, 2008, 10:51 PM
Quote:
Avoid that neighborhood. Or burn it out!

O thats special


Ain't it tho. It's worked in other places.

Bloody Bill Anderson was a genteel southern boy who saw his father executed in cold blood for refusing to support the North. Later, because they wouldn't change sides to the Yanks in the War Between the States, Anderson's mother and sisters were rounded up and hauled to Lawrence, Kansas where they were imprisoned in a make-believe prison. Those liberal bastards gutted the building of all but it's exterior shell so it would hold more Southern sympathizer prisoners. When the building collapsed, one of Anderson's sisters was killed and the other seriously maimed. Armed with this knowledge of the atrocities done to his family, Bloody Bill rode with W.C. Quantrill and his Raiders in retaliation of the Jayhawkers and the Yanks. They burned Lawrence, Kansas to the ground, but unfortunately, like cockroaches, Lawrence rose from the ashes to become a bastion of liberalism again.

I stand by my original statement: Burn em out. The crime-ridden hell-holes of our cities need to be burned down. Clean out the filth and rebuild. Put the gang-bangers, dope dealers, and hoodlums on notice "were gonna stop your crap or you're gonna burn". It's time to clean up America. Take it back from crime.

It's time for the South to rise again!

Dmanbass
April 4, 2008, 11:01 PM
The Southern Son always rises. Amen!

mc5aw
April 4, 2008, 11:02 PM
Paraphrasing much of what's already been said, predators look for easy prey.

Don't give off the appearance or vibe that you're easy or prey. Be aware of your surroundings at all times, and always expect the unexpected.

Doggieman
April 5, 2008, 12:26 AM
The crime-ridden hell-holes of our cities need to be burned down.


Ok buddy you start it up

Wildalaska
April 5, 2008, 02:29 AM
Bloody Bill Anderson was a genteel southern boy who saw his father executed in cold blood for refusing to support the North.

Bloody Bill anderson was an insane homicidal son of a horse thief who greatest exploits in battle were the murder of innocent townsfolk and unarmed prisoners.

Nice handle. Whats next on this Board, Richard Speck?

Oh and you related to Quantrill here? A bunch of kiddies goofing around? Nice profile by the way:barf:

Burn em out. The crime-ridden hell-holes of our cities need to be burned down. Clean out the filth and rebuild. Put the gang-bangers, dope dealers, and hoodlums on notice "were gonna stop your crap or you're gonna burn". It's time to clean up America. Take it back from crime.

It's time for the South to rise again!

Attention lurkers...this Board is not like this, the membership here are not all like this I can assure you :barf: This guy has got to be a plant or a troll

WildmodtimeAlaska TM

Archie Clement
April 5, 2008, 08:56 AM
Wildalaskaneedsahistorylesson. Maybe Bloody Bill went over the top but you have to consider the times and what was done to his family. You cannot judge people from those days by modern standards.

Oh and you related to Quantrill here? A bunch of kiddies goofing around

No, he's not related to Quantrill and he's not a kid. All three of us came here from another forum. Quantrill had been lambasted here and so has Bloody Bill. I guess it's my turn now. Friendly lot you all are.

Wildalaska
April 5, 2008, 09:22 AM
Wildalaskaneedsahistorylesson

Wild does just fine with history. An insane murderer is still a murderer despite the context of his life.

No, he's not related to Quantrill and he's not a kid. All three of us came here from another forum.

O golly, wonder which one LOL

WildthreecheersforgeneralshermanAlaska TM

Bloody Bill Anderson
April 5, 2008, 10:38 AM
A bunch of kiddies goofing around?

Not hardly. I'm probably older than you or at least your age. I had 16 years experience in Engineering and Construction before I began my 16 year career in Vocational Technical Education. I have a Masters Degree in Engineering Trades Education. Kiddie? Far, far from it.

Nice handle. Nice profile by the way.[QUOTE]

I chose the moniker because Bill Anderson doggedly stood up for right and retaliated for the wrongs done to his family. He was of Scottish ancestory who's motto was "nemo me impune lacessit" (no one provokes me without impunity). While Anderson was alive he was simply known as "Bill Anderson". Sensationalizing historians added the "Bloody" part, later, after Anderson was dead.

[QUOTE]Bloody Bill anderson was an insane homicidal son of a horse thief who greatest exploits in battle were the murder of innocent townsfolk and unarmed prisoners.


It would be a far stretch here to say you are partially correct, but I'll give you this much credit, your sorta-kinda close.

Anderson's father was a hatmaker by trade. He moved his family to Kansas because it was a free state. He wanted to escape the slave/no-slave battle. Because he refused to choose sides, the Unionists ACCUSED Anderson's father of stealing a horse in an attempt to force him to declare support for the North. When he refused, he was killed in cold blood in front of his family. Naturally, Bill Anderson sympathized with the Confederacy after that. The Unionists were a determined lot, (not unlike today's liberal democrats). In an attempt to force Bill Anderson to change to the Union side, the Unionists rounded up the women and children of Southern sympathizers, took em to Lawrence where the rest of the story has already been noted. When you back a dog into a corner, he is going to come out snarling and biting. I bet you would do the same. The Union issued official orders to execute any Confederate guerrilla on the spot. Bill Anderson simply responded in kind.

At the end of August, 1863, the Union commander, General Ewing, issued orders to expell all citizens from both sides of the Missouri/Kansas border, confiscate ALL property and turn it over to the Federals. Waging war against civilians only enboldened the guerrilla bands, including Bill Anderson, to defend what was rightfully theirs. From that time on, there was no return to "civilized" warfare for Bill Anderson. Yes, the cold-blooded killing of his father, the unnecessary death of his sister, and the maiming of another sister, drove Anderson to an "insane lust for revenge" against the Unionists. Anderson's guerrilla raid on Centralia, Missouri was NOT a revengeful action. It was a brilliant tactical move against an approaching Union army from information gathered by Confederate sympathizers.

This guy has got to be a plant or a troll


Not at all. I am sick of the way Hollywierd and Yankee liberal left have distorted the true facts of our history. Our nation has been duped by unscrupulous historians. I'll take truth over fiction every time.

pax
April 5, 2008, 11:25 AM
Good grief. From gang defense to the Civil War ... sheesh!

Closed, for egregious thread-jacking and other reasons which should be obvious to the discerning reader.

pax