PDA

View Full Version : Okay don't laugh yet, suppressed shotgun


20nickels
March 24, 2008, 12:28 AM
So I saw the movie "No Country for Old Men" and a main character uses an autoloading shotgun with a enormous can on it shooting buckshot throughout the movie. Now I know it's been tried, but please remind me that there is no friggin' way this works, or works well at least. :rolleyes:

rkba_net
March 24, 2008, 12:45 AM
It can and is being done... and they are quite common in Europe.

Rant Casey
March 24, 2008, 10:41 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8j5P0LXemAA

YukonKid
March 24, 2008, 02:23 PM
I think it would be really cool to do it, but i don't know if it is possible or not.

YK

SDC
March 24, 2008, 03:57 PM
Yes, definitely possible, and available; I've fired a Hushpower single-shot, and it was an interesting experience; the expansion chamber ran basically the whole length of the barrel, so there were 1/4" ports the whole way, with threaded discs for mounting the outer tube welded onto the barrel (you could unscrew the outer tube for cleaning/maintenance). There were a couple of odd things about this set-up; one, it had a weird sort of "thump-riiiinnnnng" sound when it was fired, because the outer tube acted like a bell when the pressure hit it. Two, there was enough residual pressure inside the expansion chamber that it tried to fold the pie-crimp on the shells back in, at least 3/4s of the way.

20nickels
March 24, 2008, 04:41 PM
I stand corrected. The one in the movie was short and stubby, like a Family size can of soup or a coffee mug only taller. The barrel was cut off at the magazine. He didn't mention if he had the proper permits........:p

douglasschuckert
March 24, 2008, 08:22 PM
How the shotgun suppressors work is by extending/porting or porting the existing barrel, and attaching a reflex-type suppressor to the end. Basically the baffels are placed OVER the ports as to keep the buck/bird shot out of them and to allow the use of chokes. They work, but they are not the most effective out there. Most people dont even bother. No Country For Old Men, the fact he's using is suppressor is a reality, the sound it made is BOGUS.

20nickels
March 25, 2008, 12:59 PM
Just a thought, maybe they would be more effective with a slug? or is it the suppressor design itself?

SDC
March 25, 2008, 02:31 PM
They tend to be fairly effective "as-is", as a shotgun is a lower-pressure firearm to begin with, and the wad does a good job of eliminating any "blow-by". They could be more effective with a multi-chamber design, but they're already fairly large and heavy as it is.

.351winchester
March 28, 2008, 09:47 PM
Cool, never thought it was possible other than that single giant flechette in a sabot load I read about somewhere.
All I could think about while watching that movie.

Maser
March 29, 2008, 02:11 AM
Umm wasn't the shotgun used in the movie really a "bolt gun" that's used to kill cattle for slaughter?

SDC
March 29, 2008, 07:14 AM
No, the "bolt gun" was operated by compressed air; he also used a pump-action shotgun (looked like a Mossberg to me, but you never get a really good look at it) fitted with a large-diameter suppressor that has too little volume to be really effective, as well as a Tec-9.

Maser
March 30, 2008, 06:57 PM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0477348/trivia

The weapon used by Anton Chigurh is a captive bolt pistol. It is most widely used in the slaughter of cattle to stun the animals before they are butchered.

SDC
March 30, 2008, 07:33 PM
The weapon used by Anton Chigurh is a captive bolt pistol. It is most widely used in the slaughter of cattle to stun the animals before they are butchered.

It's a "pistol" only in the sense that it uses an expanding gas to propel a projectile; however, that "projectile" is permanently attached to the firing device, as it only has to throw the bolt 3/4" forward to do what it has to do (stun an animal or fracture its skull, so it can be slaughtered). The version shown in NCFOM operates off of compressed gas (which is why whenever you see Chigurh using it, he's also carrying a tank of compressed gas), but other versions of these sorts of "bolt guns" have been made that work using gunpowder cartridges, like ramsets or power hammers. Some have also been made that fired ordinary small arms ammunition, but these will usually have a muzzle attachment that allows the user to press the gun against the animal's head without it slipping off. Chigurh also uses this device several times to knock locks through doors


http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/noCountryForOldMen-1024.jpg

The silenced shotgun he uses is a completely different item, as seen below:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/chigurh.jpg

20nickels
April 3, 2008, 10:06 PM
Who cuts his hair, Prince Valiant? He looks like an Oompa Loompa!

oneSoneK
April 3, 2008, 10:10 PM
Who cuts his hair, Prince Valiant? He looks like an Oompa Loompa!I saw the movie.... bet you wont tell him that!:D:D

20nickels
April 3, 2008, 10:28 PM
I think he has a little "Chigurh" in his gas tank. :p

oneSoneK
April 3, 2008, 10:32 PM
Just remember when he asks where you live....DONT TELL!! And please call the coin!

lon371
April 19, 2008, 08:16 AM
I am curious, how he shot any shotgun rounds thru that little hole? Oh yeah its a MOVIE.:D

Nortonics
April 19, 2008, 09:13 AM
Ever actually seen & listened to one of these:

http://www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun/img/tomanddeer.jpg

The Quiet Shotgun (http://www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun/)

Some guys shoot these things in Sporting Clays at my local club. The first time I witnessed this I thought they were joking around - not. The sound is so light it's incredible - as stated, it sounds more like a pellet gun...

douglasschuckert
April 19, 2008, 10:27 AM
Good GOD!!! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING??? A Martian Anal Probe??? A "Quiet Shotun".. and the guy's wasted the few grand it takes and applied for a Patent? WOW!!!

I would be afraid to take that thing hunting... I'd get a laughed at.. How in bloody hell does he transport it? It wont fit in a truck cab nor in most cars.. the friggin think is too long... I hope it breaks down...

pointless...just pointless.....

BTW The air-ram device used in the movie, is not considered a pistol nor is it regulated by any other authority than possibly the Food and Drug Administration or the Department of Agriculture... maybe...

Its a pneumatic hammer... thats it... nothing more to it than that.

SDC
April 19, 2008, 03:28 PM
I am curious, how he shot any shotgun rounds thru that little hole? Oh yeah its a MOVIE.

It works exactly the same way that shotgun shells are fired through that "little hole" at the muzzle of a shotgun; the pellets are pushed and contained by a wad or shot-cup, and they don't start to spread out until after they leave the muzzle (or, in this case, the suppressor). If you look at the picture, you'll notice that the "little hole" in the centre of the suppressor is about the same size as the end of his thumb, the same way it is when you look at an ordinary shotgun.
Hastings shotgun barrels also makes or made an extension similar to that Diller fellow's barrel; with these, the entire barrel acts as an expansion chamber, so that by the time the wad gets to the end of the barrel, you don't have any more high-pressure gas to cool down or route through a suppressor.

20nickels
May 2, 2008, 01:55 PM
I've seen these extensions. Cabela's carries them, or used to. $100 from memory.

Bogie
May 4, 2008, 12:39 PM
Not all shotguns are 12 gauges...

A 20 or 28 cut down could be highly effective, without beating the shooter to pieces at the same time.

jackel
May 6, 2008, 07:58 PM
Here is some pictures you might enjoy
-Josh