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dac12
March 17, 2008, 10:30 AM
how do you guys feel about a kid harvesting a button buck, in an area that dows,button bucks and the ocational spick bucks are the only deer you can get a clear shot at.

Barber2678
March 17, 2008, 10:36 AM
I think a kid should be able to shoot what ever they want.

CamoCop
March 17, 2008, 10:41 AM
if it's legal, sure!

Boris Bush
March 17, 2008, 11:27 AM
There are soooo many deer in MI where I hunt that I will shoot the first meat deer I see in the 100-120 pound range with one of my antlerless tags.

If it is legal and the meat will be eaten then go for it..

Kreyzhorse
March 17, 2008, 12:17 PM
Trophy bucks are nice, but I eat what I kill. I'd rather have a freezer full of meat that rack on the wall. If a button buck is my only legal, ethical shot, I have no problem taking him.

dac12
March 17, 2008, 12:30 PM
Ok I was just checking.
I live in New Jersey and I’m 15 and I’ve bin hunting deer for a couple years, about 4 years now actual. All that time I never hit a deer. Then last year just after deer season ended I discovered I needed glasses. So this year first day of the season I got to go deer hunting (youth day) after sitting in my regular spot, a pile of rocks/dirt on a dirt road that is never used, after two hours or so my uncle went to try and flush the deer towards me from the side. I saw the deer running but it wasn't a clear shot so I started to look to see if there were any other deer coming when the deer stopped dead in front of me give me a clear broad side shot, I put it down with one shot. I was standing on the pilled of rocks/dirt and I was so happy I was shaking a nearly fell off. O and if anyone has ever considered killing one but let it go/or never thought about it the meat was delicious and tender. Sorry if this story was confusing.

Art Eatman
March 17, 2008, 12:58 PM
No problem, dac12, no problem. And welcome to TFL.

Nobody, repeat, nobody was ever born an expert anything.

:), Art

dac12
March 17, 2008, 01:37 PM
Cool one idiot at my school who is a follow hunter said its not sportsmen like or something. I was just wondering what you guy thought about takeing them.

rantingredneck
March 17, 2008, 02:00 PM
After I broke my back last year during bow season and had to sit the first half of our season out, I killed a small doe in December, 11 weeks after breaking my back and having surgery to repair my spine. If I'd waited for a wallhanger I'd still be waiting.

Like others have said, I eat what I kill and I've not seen a recipe yet that called for an 8pt or bigger set of horns.........

davlandrum
March 17, 2008, 02:30 PM
First deer I ever killed (bowhunting) I thought was a doe when I shot it. Came walking up to it and lo-and-behold, it was a little buck.

Sounds like you did good.

dac12
March 17, 2008, 03:08 PM
davlandrum same thing happened to me accept i was useing a shotgun.

deanadell
March 17, 2008, 04:09 PM
dac,


When there's meat in the freezer, you can wait for a buck with bigger horns ;)

What you killed is called an "Ice-breaker-deer". You got your first one.....you know whot it feels like....you kow what to do next time......don;t sweat the comments made by others if it was a good clean "fair chase" kill.....

I have a beautiful 8-pointer on the wall....been there for a number of years. I've only killed one other buck since then because I'm waiting on something bigger....but I will fill the feeezer with Does.

dac12
March 17, 2008, 04:52 PM
ya next season i'm going to be a bight more selective.

davlandrum
March 17, 2008, 06:06 PM
dac - are you in an area where you can get more than one deer a year? That was one reason I loved hunting back east, I could put food in the freezer, then get more selective. In Oregon, it is mainly 1 deer per year (there are some exceptions, but not many).

Every year, after we have tagged out, my buddy and I swear "next year, we will hold out for Big Lou". But the next year, when the freezer is bare, the first legal deer is fair game.

Good luck and good hunting.

Art Eatman
March 17, 2008, 06:40 PM
Generally speaking about what deer to shoot, little bucks and does are better eating. A tad more tender, and much less likely to be gamey.

Back some forty years ago, I got in on a deer lease with my father and some of his cronies and their own sons. We'd kill one or two little bucks as "camp meat". One of those things that's illegal but traditional since long before I was born. My father's comment, when the cook wanted camp meat, was, "Camp meat is a spike buck, shot in the neck."

Some people have a way of saying things in a voice that adds the message, "Don't screw up."

:D:D:D

Nuthin' wrong with a button buck...

Art

dac12
March 17, 2008, 06:55 PM
Pretty sure one per type of hunting license
I have shotgun and muzzleloader.
I harvested my button buck with a 12g.
I have a inline 50.cal muzzleloader but since my dad is deceased I can't get to the gun range allot since my uncle is a busy allot.(yet he goes hunting more then me)so I was not able to get it sited in since .I got it year before my dad got sick. Then the next Christmas my uncle got me the scope then the next year he got it put on since my dad had died the summer i got the scope. Now all that needs to be done is sighting it in.
So hopefully next year I’ll be able to take two deer, unless it still isn't sighted in.

birdshot
March 17, 2008, 10:18 PM
dac10 my first deer only had one little spike about 4 inches long. thanks for reminding me of why i go hunting. sorry to hear about your dad. sounds like he gave you a good start. god bless you.

BIGR
March 18, 2008, 03:35 PM
I try not to shoot button bucks, but I have shot several thinking they were a doe. Hey they taste real good, so don't worry about shooting one. Sometimes its hard to see the top of the head if those ears are sticking up. I have shot them before thinking it was a doe and walked up to the deer and thought ought oh this one has a set of balls, thats no doe. Things happen.

Mavrik
March 19, 2008, 10:29 AM
Like several others above, the first deer I ever shot (at 16) was a button buck that I originally thought was a doe. I try to be a bit more selective now but it isn't that my father and I haven't taken young deer near the end of the season to put in the freezer. No button bucks since then, but we've definitely made use of our anterless permits.

Mav

rhgunguy
March 19, 2008, 05:48 PM
I try not to shoot them because I don't want to burn my any sex tag on one and I love to see them grow and develop. That being said, not everyone has the luxury of a family farm that no one in the family hunts anymore.

When my 14 y/o brother goes out next season for the first time, I will be just as excited as he will be if he shoots a wall-hanger or a doe. First deer are special.

Sorry to hear about your dad. I know how hard it is growing up without one. On the bright side, you have an uncle that takes you hunting. Nobody in my family hunts anymore and I had to teach myself.

dac12
March 20, 2008, 01:03 PM
Well my mom is looking to buy a house in Pa and I’m thinking of the hunting aspect.
If she does buy a house out there it will be by Shawnee (sp) mountain. Is there any good public land up there and for what? Also is an under aged hunter allowed to carry a second firearm with them while there in the woods in NJ/Pa for self defense. The reason I ask this is because my mom is trying to make me sell a couple of my dads guns but I may just trade it in a to a gun dealer my 2nd cousin goes to for a semi automatic pistol. If I can what would you guys recommend for a low caliber semi automatic.
Thanks for any info you guys can give me and sorry for any misspellings.
o and i figured i would just change this thread instead of makeing a new one.

Freakdaddy
March 21, 2008, 07:16 AM
First off, congrats on your first deer. Don't worry about being too selective next year as there will be plenty of time for that later in your hunting career. I feel it's more important for you to fill your tag regardless of what sex it is. As for as the other kid saying it's unsportsman like, well you run into people like that all the time. I feel it's more unsportsman like not to keep the deer population in control and this means harvesting antlerless deer. In Missouri, our season is pretty liberal and we can buy as many antlerless permits as we want in a majority of the counties. I try to hold out for a nice buck anymore but I do take my fair share of skinheads. If you don't have that luxury of having two seperate tags just remember, if you're selective it means going home empty handed more often than not. Here's a nice little article that sums it up rather well:
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/hunter-stages.php

Now for your second question. DO NOT SELL OR TRADE YOUR DAD'S GUNS!!! You will regret this for the rest of your life...period. I don't know what the regs are where you're planning on moving but for the most part, you can usually carry a pistol on you while hunting. At your age, do not have it concealed in any way, shape or form. Usually where it's a no-go is during archery season or turkey season where only a shotgun is allowed. This is a very blanket statement so please check the Conservation regulations for that state plus state laws regarding transporting/posessing a firearm. As far as a good gun to go with, a new or used Ruger Single Six, Browning Buckmark or Ruger Mark III will fit the bill very nicely. These are all .22's and a great platform to get started off on. They are also very inexpensive and a summer of doing odd jobs or mowing lawns will easily cover the cost of it. Then if you want, you can look into getting a 9mm semi-auto or .357 Magnum revolver. Many models to chose from, fairly inexpensive to buy and shoot. Just remember...DO NOT SELL OR TRADE YOUR DAD'S GUNS!!

Welcome to the forums and don't worry about the spelling, we're glad to have you aboard.

Alan

dac12
March 21, 2008, 08:54 AM
Thx for the advice. We’re not moving it’s my mom is considering buying a second house in Pa for skiing/renting.
Freakdaddy I’m not really sure if I’ll not be able to avoid getting rid of some of my dad's guns. My mom thinks it’s bad to have 16 guns. Her and my uncle already got rid of my dad's AR-15. I can just hope she gets selling them out of her mind.

edit: anyone have anything to say about the Browning Buck Mark Camper Cocobolo UDX

absolute0
March 21, 2008, 03:02 PM
Congratulations on your first deer young man! Your first deer is special, don't let some know it all second guess you. I wish there were a couple million more young people in this country like you!

Please accept my condolences on losing your dad.

dac12
March 21, 2008, 03:03 PM
Thx
Edit: from my mom's reaction I’m not getting a new .22 pistol to carry in the woods with me. But I do have a couple other pistols in the safe that were my dad's.
There are four in the safe of the top of me head I remember that there’s a .38 speical, .44 mag, and a .45.
Witch would be a good pistol to shoot with/carry/first pistol.
I’m guessing the .38 special

TheNatureBoy
March 21, 2008, 05:33 PM
As long as its done legally and the deer won't be wasted, I don't have a problem with it.

Freakdaddy
March 21, 2008, 05:59 PM
The .38 would be the ideal one to start off with providing it's not a snubnose or extremely lightweight. The longer the sight plane, i.e. the distance between the front and rear sight, the easier it is to shoot. If it is a .45 ACP and is a full-size semi-auto, this one wouldn't be a bad one to learn on either. Recoil shouldn't be too bad. You can shoot .44 Specials through the .44 Mag which may make it more manageable and a little cheaper to shoot.

Regardless of which pistol you start off with, make sure to wear eye and especially ear protection. Of course, this goes for any firearm. The first time I shot a .44 Mag, I didn't have any ear protection in. For 2 days, I couldn't hear hardly anything. It took almost a week before things were back to normal where I didn't have any trace of a high pitched ringing. Also, make sure someone who is familiar with handguns is there with you when you first start off. Revolvers and pistols, although almost identically held the same with your strong hand, the support hand differs some. Also make sure they show you how to break them down and clean them. Take care of your guns and your guns will take care of you.

Here's a few links:

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363&q=todd+jarrett&pl=true

This guy touches base on the escaping gas in front of the chamber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHD6JJFQ2WM

This is why you don't put your thumb near the front of the cylinder. Kinda graphic.
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-not-to-hold-revolver.html

I grip my revolvers more like this guy. Video quality isn't all that great though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFO6ZnyDGE8

You can find a ton more info at your public library as well. This should help get you off on the right foot.

Alan

MeekAndMild
March 21, 2008, 07:30 PM
Got yo watch the law. In some states button bucks are only legal in doe season. Best advice if you're hunting antlerless deer is to shoot the bigger one which will be more likely a mature doe. Little ones may be little does or buttons and you won't know until you walk up on them.

dac12
March 21, 2008, 09:59 PM
With the holding the pistol part. From the little experience I have shooting pistols the way I hold them is basically how the guy in the 3rd video did it accept I wrap my free hand around my wrist. Is that bad?
i think i'll try and start shooting the .45 auto first so i can get used to shooting a pistol/not blow my finger off.

castnblast
March 23, 2008, 08:47 PM
I goofed this year and picked the wrong deer during our TX doe season. (fortunately spikes are legal during doe season) and nailed a button buck. I was very embarrased because I was hunting on a friends property. Fortunately they took it in stride, and all I got were the jokes about shooting bambi. so even after hunting almost 30 years, you can still goof. It's not a big deal - provided you eat what you shoot. I generally try not to shoot bambi, but a mature deer, but have done so at least 3 times in my hunting experience, due to mistaken I.D's. No sweat, good eats! bon apetite!

rem870hunter
March 24, 2008, 05:35 AM
congrats on your first deer, my condolences on the loss of your father. 16 firearms is NOT a bad thing at all. i remember my first deer. very very samll doe. so small it looked like a dog. but it didn't taste like a dog though:barf:.

the 38 should be a good starter. but like others said you would want a longer barrel.

as far as legally carrying a handgun in NJ when hunting etc. its not legal to carry a handgun, you also can't hunt with a handgun in NJ. even carrying it for self defense or anything unless you are police or LEO in the woods or fields is illegal:barf:. PA may be different. from the sounds of it you were hunting central or northern NJ. i am in southern NJ. welcome to TFL, good hunting for the years to come.

dac12
March 24, 2008, 08:34 PM
Thx guys.
Well that answers the pistol question. Good to see someone else on the forum from New Jersey (sure there’s more)
Quick question anyone ever hunt here:
http://www.hunt-tioga.com/index.html

dac12
March 24, 2008, 08:35 PM
o and ya i'm in norther new jersey.
live in morris county but not shure where i hunt. i know the way just not the county. its past stocks mointain if you know where that is.

lon371
March 30, 2008, 05:04 AM
The way I see it. If you got a good clean kill and the deer was legally harvested GREAT JOB! I have been hunting for 10 years. I still get excited seeing deer. I get more excited EATING them. Ate some lastnight in a macoroni caserol. I have become the neighbor hood hunting dad. I have taught my kids and several others to shoot. And I have taken all them hunting. I think it is great when kids get into hunting. I love see their reactions when they get their first be it a buck or doe. One of my daughters shot a super nice 10 point her first couple hours out. She was like "yeah I got a deer" My boy now his luck was differrent. Took him 2 years to get a shot at one. It was a doe. He was excited for 2 or 3 days. Took a 12 year old girl one year, second day she shot a small Doe. the girl scared me to death. She was 25 yards from me. I heard the shot, She screamed! about hurt myself getting to her. She was so excited(thats why she screamed) She was still shaking when I took her and here deer to show her parents.
You keep hunting you will get a big one. But until then, if it is legal to harvest. I say go for it- be it a button buck or a small doe. As far as the kid at school. Well my boys response would be "and your point is what?" My daughters responses would be similar, and ending in a threat;) Dont worry about what others think. Everyone has their own oppinion, some people feel they need to voice it (whether asked or not)

lon371
March 30, 2008, 05:12 AM
As far as hunting Tioga. If you have the money I would try it. that Elk price looks good. We live in Indiana, couple of freinds go to Colorado ever couple years for Elk. They spend around $2500 EACH. They have no guarantees to bring anything home. Tennesse guided hunts for Bore about the same price as Tioga. I would check into it, if you have the funds for it. Sure would be cool to harvest a Buffalo!

aerod1
March 31, 2008, 04:55 PM
I see nothing wrong with a kid harvesting a young button buck if he wants. Be sure to give him kudos and praises for his first deer!!

ELMOUSMC
April 1, 2008, 04:04 PM
Congradulations those young buck are tasty around here our deer are corn fed and some of the does I have harvested have run close to 250 lbs.There are some around here that are pressing for a Doe qualifier before you can take a Buck as a method of herd control.If you ever venture out this way I would be proud to have you hunt with me good luck and good hunting ELMOUSMC