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amprecon
March 16, 2008, 02:24 PM
Would a 4X power magnification be too much for a scout scope?

wjkuleck
March 16, 2008, 02:48 PM
I would say so. You use the Scout Scope with both eyes open, and I think that the difference between 1x in one eye and 4x in the other would be a little tough for the brain to process.

No offense ;) .

However, if it works for you, who am I to quibble?

http://www.fulton-armory.com/ScoutM14Aimpoint-550_50.jpg

Regards,

Walt

sholling
March 16, 2008, 02:52 PM
I've been researching this and it seems like 1.5-2.5x seem to be the most popular. Another possibility is a 2-6 variable. Leaving it at 2x, and reserving high magnification for rare long shots.

amprecon
March 16, 2008, 06:41 PM
Yes it does, the 2 - 2.75 powers do seem to reign supreme. I was considering the possibility of a 4X power being too much of a difference to actually inhibit it's ability for quick target acquisition.
BTW wjkuleck, that's a sweet setup on that M1A, which red dot is that? That setup looks a little high, how does it work for you?

wjkuleck
March 16, 2008, 06:52 PM
BTW wjkuleck, that's a sweet setup on that M1A, which red dot is that? That setup looks a little high, how does it work for you?

That was a quick mock-up for photography; the Aimpoint (for that's what it is) ARMS mount still had the spacer for co-registration on the FAR-15 off which I pulled the Aimpoint & mount. Even without the spacer & thus the lower mount height you'd probably want a little comb riser for comfort. Neither the M14 nor the M1 were really intended to be scoped.

Now, with something like this for the M14, with its adjustable comb & FAR-15 sight line, it's a different story:

http://www.fulton-armory.com/HarrisSpread-800-72-Adj_50.jpg

Best regards,

Walt

ClarkEMyers
March 17, 2008, 09:24 PM
Most of the world apparently thinks so - hard to find a 4X scout scope.

I have a couple of the Steyr rifles with Leupold made 2 and a fraction scopes that work for me. Burris offers a variable with Scout eye relief for those who want the option. I'm inclined to agree with Jim Carmichel's (? spelling) long ago observation that a generation who grew up with scopes would be more comfortable with higher powers than their parents and so might find the oft repeated warnings against too much power a tad strong - but he was talking about using a 6X where earlier writers had suggested nothing more than a 4X - I'd suggest if you want a 4X you don't really want a scout scope but if it works for you who am I to say no.

amprecon
March 18, 2008, 11:55 AM
I was not relegating myself to only "scout" scopes, whereas there are many who use the handgun scopes for their scout rifles and have had good results as I have read, but not so much about what power they're using.

Redneckrepairs
March 18, 2008, 03:36 PM
On my Savage scout i have a cheap nc star 2x7 pistol scope and so far it works well tho i normally run it at 2x. On a " sputnic scout " i just got built up ( a mosin m44 ) i currently have a red dot with no magnification . On the enfield scout i sold i had a fixed 4x pistol scope . I have to say that 4x is about max for a scout , and in this case less would be more . If a 4x scope is what you have by all means use it , however realize that you will either get neither fish nor fowl nor the utility of a scout rifle . The scope on a scout * should * put the aiming point and the eye on a single plain of sight nothing more or less . IMHO its a hunting rifle not a tac sniper . It is to shoot " minute of game " first time every time from muzzle to 400 yards or so and nothing more and nothing less . The scout isnt a sniper , it isnt a plinker , it is an all around rifle and with that in mind it does not need nor is it an advantage to have magnification to speak of ( on my .308 it gets turned up to 7x to shoot prarie dogs ect.. which is well out of the rifles dutys ).

Bond007
March 18, 2008, 07:35 PM
I have had a Leupold 4x handgun scope on my M1A scout for years. It works great, is accurate for longer shots and has held up to recoil well.

It's on Leupold's detachable rings, so I can remove it and put on a red dot or just use the iron sights. It's a set up which I feel optimal and works quite well.

M

Boris Bush
March 18, 2008, 09:41 PM
I shoot 4x regular mounted scopes on a couple of my guns and I tend to shoot both eyes open all the time.

For me a 4x scout scope would just be mounted farther forward....

Bogie
March 18, 2008, 10:20 PM
Most "scout" scopes are basically just handgun scopes.

More than a coupla-x = too darn much vibration to see, unless you've got the sucker rested on something.