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Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 08:51 AM
I have a pitbull that keeps coming into my yard and harrasing my animals. He is getting bolder and more hostile. I think I am going to have to wack him.

I have tons of #4 buck shot. Will this be sufficient for a pitbull at less than 20 yards? I was going for a heart shot.


If #4 is not sufficient what good is #4? What animials is it safe to go after with #4?

hogdogs
March 11, 2008, 09:08 AM
I reckon it would suffice. #4 shot may as well but the #4 buck should .
Good luck
brent

tyrajam
March 11, 2008, 09:35 AM
#4 buck is the most popular shotgun load for coyotes. At 20 yards it will make short work of any pitbull. I know some folks (like hogdogs) with working catch dogs may disagree, but I am all in favor of banning pitbulls within city limits. To many kids getting their faces ripped off. If a pit ever comes in my yard I will shoot it instantly.

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 09:48 AM
I do not trust them. We had a case this years where a woman was walking 2 of her own pitbulls down the street on a leash. They turned on her and killed her. Happened about 3 months ago.

I do think that bred has probably been inbred too much and that they are too much of a danger for society.

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 09:51 AM
My ccw is a glock 9mm. I ususally do not walk around my yard with a shotgun. I was concerned that the 9mm might not put the pitbull down fast enough if he charged.

I know I could use slugs on "MR. Bull" but I was curious about weather or not #4 buck could do the job.

I think I might give #4 buck a chance. Deepending on what others on this post say.

Duff
March 11, 2008, 09:57 AM
This is a pretty hot subject for me considering I own three of them, all three of which are completely harmless and very well trained. One of them in fact is scared ****less of my brother in law's chihuahua. I will however give my opinion on the subject at hand...Pit bulls that have the bad seed owners that abuse them for purposes of making them aggressive are going to take a pretty dead-on shot to drop them...they have pretty thick skulls and are very fast so getting a good shot isn't going to be very easy unless it's unaware of your presence. For your own safety if the pit bull is indeed human aggressive, I highly suggest calling animal control. If you shoot it and hit it, but don't kill it you're just going to **** it off and cause even more danger to yourself

hogdogs
March 11, 2008, 10:01 AM
While we won't jack this thread... I will say that i believe we should punish the deed not the breed. I also have learned in the 3 years hog hunting that these GOOD bulldogs are highly driven and full of pent up energy. They are not to be owned by most types of people. First and fore most they must have severe obedience training and a secondary job to do or they will possibly go broken arrow. They cannot be trusted to be in the control of just about every child as they just don't have the strength or mental fortitude to control one. Most woman as well are out but I do know of a few that are great with the bulldogs (better than me by a long way) It is a different animal than a watered down AKC show dog. But yes i agree the 4buck will have plenty of oomph... but I personally wouldn't do it with less than a few rounds for backup...
Brent

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 10:35 AM
I will probably go with 00 Buck or slugs.

I also have 3 kids that play in the backyard.

The dog will be whacked. Just trying to figure out which humane/entertaining/investigative way to do it.

Based on what yall say #4 buck isn't worth much. Might have to invest in more 00 buck. Save #4 buck for the turkeys.

davlandrum
March 11, 2008, 11:00 AM
+1 to Duff and HogDogs - not the breed but the owner. I had one several years ago that was very submissive - even though her papers read like murderer's row - Sally the Ripper, Bloody Sam, etc. Unfortunately, the Army moved us and we ended up in the city where she did not have enough room. We were able to sell her to a very nice couple that had a farm.

But, regardless of the breed, an agressive dog in my yard with the potential for bad things to happen would have to be dealt with.

I assume you have discussed this with the owner? I would also probably talk to local law enforcement to make sure you are not going to get whacked for taking action. Animal regulations vary widely.

Of course you have the basic right to protect you and yours, but it doesn't mean there won't be any ramifications.

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 11:09 AM
I live in the ghetto. You hear gun shots all the time. The dog appears to be stray. I do not know who the owner is.

No one cares about gun shots in the ghetto.

We are all just disposable humans here. They let the street thugs run the place like it is a 3rd world country. So far me and my family have been okay. I think this is due to the fact that I am friendly and respectful to the dealers.

My neighbor has cars pulling up to his house all day long. Some times he gives curb side service. Customers go in his house and then out a few miniutes latter.

I have been very friendly and respectful when around him so far me and my family have been left alone. I thought about envolving the police, but once I get fingered as the snitch all hell will break lose.

Even if the cops busted him he would probably post bail and be out the next day. Where would that put me and my family....SOL?

So we give them christmas cookies and are polite to them and they leave us alone.

Art Eatman
March 11, 2008, 11:36 AM
Given your situation, I think I'd point out to the neighbor that if the dog does harm a kid, it will be unavoidable for cops to get involved, whether or not you want to. Medics, hospitals, reports to police, city administration: They'll all get involved.

Bad for his business. So, appeal to HIS best interest, since he won't be impressed by thoughts of your kids. His best interest is in not attracting unwanted attention.

Art

Rampant_Colt
March 11, 2008, 11:59 AM
#4 buckshot? Nah... I would use 000, 00 buckshot or slugs. Too many pellets in a load of #4 buck to account for in an urban enviroment; and Pitbulls are a LOT more muscular and heavier-boned than coyotes.

ps - if you use a longer barrel the report may be a bit less [better terminal performance as well] ;)

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 12:05 PM
This is not my drug dealing neighbors dog. No one knows whos dog this is.

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 12:10 PM
I could use my AR-15 but I do not want my neighbors to know I have it.

I figure when the SHTF The drug dealers will get a can of "BUSHMASTER" opened up on their A**.(100 round drums included):eek:

Most of the time they are so high it would take them about 5 miniutes to realize those were tracers I was firing at them not some type of phycodelic halucination.

CarbineCaleb
March 11, 2008, 01:53 PM
#4 would probably work fine too at close range, but #00 would definitely give you more confidence due to it's better penetration and you'll still have multiple holes in Mr. Pitbull.

New_Pollution1086
March 11, 2008, 01:58 PM
I'd "whack" him if it was me, i think the 00buck will do the trick.

T

Super-Dave
March 11, 2008, 02:08 PM
I am going to go with 00 Buck.

I'll whack him next time I see him in my yard.

I'll give him a chance to leave but if he even looks at me wrong.:eek:

Would it be un-ethical/illegal to cook the "Bull" on my barbeque grill and feed him to my dogs?

Don't want to waste a carcass.

bluedog
March 11, 2008, 02:44 PM
Good choice on the buckshot load! But give the mutt a proper burial and put it behind you.

hogdogs
March 11, 2008, 03:52 PM
Why grill it? Mine would love it raw!;) I limit "proper burial" to a dog that has made a good pet or hunter. I ain't about to waste my time and energy diggin' holes for sorry mutts! The buzzards and yotes gotta eat too...:D
Brent

20nickels
March 11, 2008, 04:11 PM
.22lr to the eyeball or head. Why make a mountain out of a molehill.
Why does every owner say how sweet and docile their little angeldog was right after it chews off a baby's testicles. They are genetically bred fighting machines regardless of the owner, why not just own a crocodile?

Buzzcook
March 11, 2008, 04:33 PM
Your 9mm will do. As frightening as pit bulls seem they are still small animals as far as calibers are concerned.
#4 buckshot will kill the dog.

Pit bulls are great dogs. Pitt bull owners often are not great owners.

If you haven't called animal control, do so. You need to be on record that the animal is a danger to your property.
If you can, photograph the dog each time he comes on the property as another record.

You might want to try less lethal means of getting rid of the dog such as a bb gun or a cattle prod.

Legally if worse comes to worse, with a dead dog you have to pay for the relative value of the animal. With a wounded animal you have to pay for some very expensive veterinary care.

stevelyn
March 11, 2008, 06:12 PM
I've had to whack a lot of dogs over the years. #4 Buck will do the job just fine.

castnblast
March 11, 2008, 07:49 PM
Too many "good" pits attack...That's what they are bread for. It's kinda like having a pet cougar or tiger. You can baby feed them, treat them nice, but they are wild...Most may never turn on you, but some will. They are too unpredictable. We had one last year get away from it's owner on our street. The neighbor's kid got scared and ran. That dog went right after the kid. My neighbor "dispatched" the dog w/ a base ball bat. I grabbed my .357. Didn't need it. The 5 year old had 36 stitches in two legs. This was not a bad owner. The dog was reacting instinctively. If I ever see a pit run into my yard, (I have small kids which I threw into the back of my truck) It WILL get shot. period...no if's and's or buts. I will never allow one on my property...They are a liability nightmare.

Crosshair
March 11, 2008, 07:49 PM
A gell test should answer your question.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/12%20Gauge%20No%204%20Buckshot.jpg

Short answer, yes #4 buckshot should work very well.

stinger
March 11, 2008, 08:00 PM
Deal with the problem as you see fit, but I think the delimma needs a more permanent solution. Why don't you move your family out of the ghetto?

elkman06
March 11, 2008, 08:55 PM
I have to agree w/ Stinger on this. Get the hell out of there. If you can walk talk and **** in a bottle, you can get a 70-80k job out here in Wyoming. Your family deserves better than this.
For me, the dog would allready be in doggy hell.
elkman

nate45
March 11, 2008, 08:56 PM
Just curious did you contact the local sheriff or animal control?

roy reali
March 11, 2008, 09:58 PM
Why was this question posted in the hunting section of TFL?

Art Eatman
March 12, 2008, 09:29 AM
I guess 'cause he was wondering about the effectiveness on the only game animal available? In his case, dangerous game, as far as the kids are concerned...

Bottom Gun
March 12, 2008, 09:34 AM
Call animal control or the sheriff and let them deal with it.

Shooting a dog is never good and you run the risk of starting a neighborhood feud that can escalate out of control if it turns out the dog does belong to someone.
It would be bad if someone retaliated by shooting one of your animals.

Also, posting like this doesn't exactly enhance the image of shooters and gun owners.

Just a thought. . . . . .

Super-Dave
March 12, 2008, 09:44 AM
I have called animal control on the neighbors chicken and goats. They still have not responded. That was 3 months ago.

I posted this here because someone out there has shot a very large coyote or wolf. Where else to get good info on killing animals with a gun than a hunting forum?

Bottom Gun
March 12, 2008, 10:04 AM
Call the law. They may be more apt to respond to a pit bull call than a rogue chicken alert.

Duff
March 12, 2008, 10:24 AM
Agreed, in most states if the law or animal control picks up a pit bull and takes it to the pound, it's going to get lethally injected anyway. Most states don't allow pit bulls to be adopted from the pound. So it's out of your hair and it gets "whacked" so you win both ways. Not to mention it's much more humane than possibly not killing it when you shoot it.

Y'all are killin me with this they're bred for fighting and killing bull****. Learn some facts of the breed before listening to the media. The reason is may seem "there are more pit bull attacks than any other breed" is because you don't hear it on the TV or read it in the papers when a chihuahua or a boston terrier attack someone, but it happens just as often as pit bull attacks

I fully agree that when ANY dog attacks a human being, it shoudl be put down instantly and the owner should be charged. However, killing a dog just because it's "bred for fighting" is like taking away our guns because "they're made for killing people"

20nickels
March 12, 2008, 01:53 PM
Duff,
"Y'all are killin me with this they're bred for fighting and killing bull****. Learn some facts of the breed before listening to the media. The reason is may seem "there are more pit bull attacks than any other breed" is because you don't hear it on the TV or read it in the papers when a chihuahua or a boston terrier attack someone, but it happens just as often as pit bull attacks"

I don't want to veer this off topic, but yes it is more common for other dogs to attack however the undisputed killing and maiming king is the Pitbull. I know all I need to know about them, just it's nomenclature alone should tell you something "Pitbull". Would you carry a cute furry handgun that shoots itself?

elkman06
March 12, 2008, 02:00 PM
Duff, While I agree that pit bulls, shepherds, chows, etc,, tend to get a bad rap via the media, please answer a question for me. When breeders are choosing their dogs persay to breed with, they tend to breed the biggest, strongest, and most aggressive out of a given litter to breed with. I think this naturally brings alot of the downside to bear w/ these breeds. Wrong? I know of people who swear by rotweillers, shephards, etc but you couldn't give me one due to the breeding tendencies. I'm a family man and that labrador w/ the three foot tongue and happy disposition is just a better choice for kids.
elkman06

Duff
March 12, 2008, 03:15 PM
Depends on the breeder. Mr. Ghetto that sells drugs on the curb in front of his house, yes... When I breed my dogs, I look for:

A: AKC/UKC approved hip alignment
B: Canine Good Citizens (CGC) Certification
C: Good temperment testing
D: Typically the dogs I breed mine with or breed to mine are AKC Champions
and or UKC Champions
D: All of the above within said dog's pedigree

My Dogs (http://www.klarrkennels.com)

Bottom Gun
March 12, 2008, 03:28 PM
I agree with Duff.
I used to breed German Shepherd Dogs.
I only bred OFA certified dogs with excellent temperments. All others were neutered or spayed.
FYI, German Shepherd Dogs are some of the most gentle affectionate dogs you will ever find. The problem is, too many people try to turn them and other breeds into killer attack dogs for "security".

I have been around a lot of Bull Terriers and I have never had a problem with any of them. I used to have two of them come to visit me daily from down the road. They were great dogs and always got along well with my dogs.

20nickels
March 12, 2008, 04:15 PM
Tks for your insight into this thread as a breeder Duff. I"ll admit I've learned some from your last post, however even if you have the nicest, well tempered pitbulls around my inherent mistrust for them is still very strong and not unwaranted. Good luck to you.

Playboypenguin
March 12, 2008, 04:17 PM
I think you better call animal control. If you shoot it and someone comes across you post here stating it was an on-going problem that you were aware of then allowed it to escelate to the point where you shoot it you will be in a world of hurt.

So how about put down the gun and pick up the phone. Every confrontation in life does not require an explosive solution. Only internet rambos think that way...responsible adults do not.

grymster2007
March 12, 2008, 04:43 PM
As for the buckshot question, I’d go with 00 buckshot if I had to shoot a muscular dog, but first I’d heed Playboypenguin’s (and other previous poster’s) advice.

As for the “bad breed” issue, I can only say our German Shepard was the finest dog I could imagine. She was brave, protective, gentle, lovable and smart. In her nearly 13 years, she never bit anyone. I did once watch her clamp on to the shirtsleeve of a high school boy that had come over to visit our daughter. The kid was walking towards the daughter’s room and the dog was just saying no. She didn’t growl or otherwise threaten the boy, just held him until I told her to quit (yeah I enjoyed it for a few moments before saying anything:D).

She had an inherent sense about what was important to us. She just knew that a baby or small child or someone’s pet was to be protected and never harmed. At the same time she knew that pulling a rat from the woodpile and killing it was the right thing to do. I always found it interesting how she could differentiate things like that. How she just “knew” what we expected of her in every case.

I had a few other dogs over the years and none were nearly as smart as her. I’d guess that a combination of genetic makeup and environment determine if a dog will be dangerous.

roy reali
March 12, 2008, 07:28 PM
I hope you were kidding!

tplumeri
March 12, 2008, 07:43 PM
No one knows whos dog this is

I find it kinda interesting that NO ONE has gotten irate about you shooting this pitbull.
what would the responses be if it were a black lab or terrier...I got fried on this forum for shooting my own dog with an old daisy pellet gun!
About the #4 shot, I would go bigger for a humane kill. one of my dogs (scruffy) got loose and neighbor shot him with #4 at about 30 feet.
I know this because he called to tell me it wasnt a clean kill and did i want him to finish the job.
I went over with my usual carry and the dog didnt look that bad. dug out 6 pellets and a shot antibiotic at the vets and good as new.
he has no interest in jumping the fence any more!

Art Eatman
March 12, 2008, 07:51 PM
Aw, roy, maybe a half.

Look: We've answered the question of load effectiveness, and given what seems like rational advice, and then wandered off into the world of dogs as dogs--and, generally speaking, pit bulls aren't mentioned as hunting dogs, usually. Not on quail, pheasants or ducks, anyhow. :)

For a little kid, it doesn't take a heckuva lot of dog to be dangerous.

And some dogs fight above their weight class. I once saw a Chihuahua kill a Great Dane.
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Stuck in his throat...

Enuf.

Art