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John-Doe
February 25, 2008, 01:25 PM
Hi every1!

I'm looking for both drawings & parts and i appreciate if anyone who knows tell me.

Here we go:

Does anyone know where/how i can find drawing (on the internet) to make a gun myself?
-with measures, tolerances, etc.?

exampel in attached file.

...or where (on the internet) i can buy parts to just put them together to a gun?

Exampels:
http://www.diyguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=55
http://www.diyguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=34

I found this:
https://www.vbd.com/noc/shop/products_detail.asp?CategoryID=44&ProductID=287
...myself, does anyone know where i can find the other parts?
-and where i can find other Beretta frames like "stainless, blue, etc.?

I don't mind to do a little work myself:
http://www.diyguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=55

Anyone who knows -please tell me!

-Thanks!

Unclenick
February 25, 2008, 03:41 PM
Since federal law defines the frame as the firearm, you won't be able to buy that legally without going through a Federal Firearms License holder to run the NICS background check and to receive it and transfer its ownership to you. If you are planning to machine the gun parts yourself, there are a number of sources of blueprints for military contract guns, like the the M1 Garand or the M14 or the 1911 pistol. All require some serious machining expertise to make. A lathe and a milling machine and access to heat treating equipment will pretty much be minimum requirements, and will cost you a good deal more than just buying a gun, so there is no money to be saved here unless you own the machinery and have the skills to start with.

Buying parts, including frames, can be done in a number of places. Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/) and e-gunparts.com (Numrich) would have all you need between them to build a good 1911, but again, the frame will require transfer by FFL holder.

If you are looking to build an accurate, top of the line gun, then you are looking at learning quite a bit and winding up investing in some tools. This won't be a money saving proposition, either, for your first pistol, but it is a satisfying hobby and if you plan to own a number of such guns over time or just want to be able to tweak things to your personal preferences yourself, it may be worth it to you.

John-Doe
February 26, 2008, 01:30 PM
Thank you for your answer.

Do i really have to have a licens for theese things?

I have read that theese is not gun-parts beacuse they are not finished...

Well... i have to belive you.

"A number of sites" ?

What other sites is there on the internet? -every that you (or anyone else) know?

-Isn't there any site i could order the other beretta parts from?
i have the frame, barrel, other parts -what about the slide?
-Anyone knows from where to order a Beretta-slide?

9mmHP
February 26, 2008, 02:01 PM
Your posts suggests you're a non-native English speaker. If so, are you in the U.S.? If you're in the U.S., the frame must pass through a licensed dealer unless you buy it in a private party transaction.

UniversalFrost
February 26, 2008, 02:35 PM
you can build a frame yourself, but can never ever sell it and must be turned in to the BATF if you wish to no longer own it.

Do not try to build a machine gun (i.e. class 3 or 4) this will end up in prison time.

There are tons of places where you can buy a .75% finished ar lower or an unbent AK receiver, which you bent and then heat treat, but why go to the hassle when you can get a finished receiver cheaper and don't have to worry about selling it.

I can only see it from 2 angles"

1. you just want to do it, because you like to do stuff on your own (I can relate)

2. you can not own a gun legally so this is a way of skirting the law, which I would not reccommend because you are gonna get caught and busted.


In my opinion, just go out and buy a receiver and go through the normal processes. You can then tinker with it all you want and build a kit gun if you want.

i build ar, ak and fal guns from kits all the time, there is a load of info out there on putting a kit together and I have posted how to's on the ak and ar builds here and on ar15.com several times.

if you need any help just ask.

JOE

Beretta686
February 26, 2008, 03:08 PM
but can never ever sell it and must be turned in to the BATF if you wish to no longer own it.

I don't think that's necessarily accurate (although I certainly could be wrong). For example if you "build" an SBR with a Form 1, technically you are "building" a firearm rather than registering a previously unregistered firearm. But once it's on the registry your free to transfer it on a Form 3/4.

I think it would be the same thing for a non-registered weapon.

IIRC all you have to do is place your name and location of the receiver along with a S/N and your free to sell in to someone as long as your not "manufacturing" the weapons (i.e.- building 100 for "personal use" and than deciding to sell them as a "private sale" at a gunshow). But if you build one, decide you don't like it and sell it, I think your in the clear.

Beretta686
February 26, 2008, 03:14 PM
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms.

Off of ATF's website.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6

I think they imply that you can't make the weapon specifically for sale, but that if you later decide to sell it you can.

The item also mentions making NFA items in the same terms, but once you make those you can transfer them at will.

9mmHP
February 26, 2008, 03:29 PM
Not quite "at will" it would be a post-May sample and must be transferred to a government agency or SOT dealer.

From the same site:

"An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency."

Beretta686
February 26, 2008, 03:54 PM
Not quite "at will" it would be a post-May sample and must be transferred to a government agency or SOT dealer.

From the same site:

"An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency."

Roger, but I was refering to other NFA items, such as SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, etc, etc.

John-Doe
February 27, 2008, 01:50 PM
Many posts...

>9mmHP:
No, i'm not.
I'm Swedish (live in Sweden) and my English is not as good as it should be.
-but there are lexicons online & i know SOME English.

I'm not sure but the text says this is not parts of a gun beacuse they are not finished.

>UniversalFrost (& others):
I'm never going to sell anything, what i buy & build i'm going to keep the rest of my life, i buy & build to get a gun, nothing else.

"tons of places" ? -where? -tell me everyone you know! (not only UniversalFrost, if anyone else know, -just give me the www.! -thanks!)

"2" is right, it's a long story but i can tell you this: i'm going to use a gun for self-defence only, nothing else. -against dogs, maybe humans.

Once again:
I appreciate if people who knows tell me where i can find the slide (finisned or unfinished) for a Beretta(92)!

See you!

UniversalFrost
February 27, 2008, 05:49 PM
"2" is right, it's a long story but i can tell you this: i'm going to use a gun for self-defence only, nothing else. -against dogs, maybe humans.


Sorry, but I am not gonna help you break the law. No matter where you are from. Also, in sweden and most countries in Europe you can legally own a firearm, but sometimes this requires a lot of paperwork and a large amount of cash and you may even have to keep the weapon at an armory.

In Germany ( where i lived both as military and later a foreign national civilian) I owned weapons that were purchased in Germany and I had to be a member of a local German shooting club for justification on the purchase of the guns and also had to attend many many hours of training (even though i am an NRA certified instructor and a hunter safety instructor for South Dakota and Nebraska).

So, why would you want to break the law and face jail time?

Just do the paperwork and pay the fees and attend the training if needed and then get the weapon.

JOE

John-Doe
February 28, 2008, 01:48 PM
It's a long story, but here it is:
When i growed up, my classmates harassed me and my parents didn't help me.
Beacuse of that -today -i suffer both depression and anxiety.
Now there is two "sides" with people, both "sides" are angry at me 'cuse i don't agree with them.
Everybody is angry at everybody, at least more then nothing.
Also a man -a relative -is not as he should be mentally, he always thinks "so what" when things happens to me.
Some of theese people are familiar to dog-owners.
If you say "arf" to a German Shepherd -you can figure out the rest yourself.
'Cuse of how i feel i can't just get a gun the legal way.
I could buy a gun from the "black" market, but i don't like dealing with criminals, so that is the last way out.

If i end up i jail, i will get out sometime, if i end up i the grave, i never get out of it.

If i survive, maybe there isn't so much left of me that i am able to live a life worth living...

That's my story, that's why i try to get a gun by buying parts, make them fisished & build a gun myself.

UniversalFrost
February 28, 2008, 01:52 PM
sounds like you need to see a counselor

Ledbetter
February 28, 2008, 05:55 PM
What you propose is illegal where I live and I would not advise you doing it in Sweden or Trollville or wherever you actually are.

John-Doe
February 29, 2008, 01:45 PM
Never mind

brickeyee
February 29, 2008, 02:44 PM
Most gun parts are exporrt resricted from the United States under out ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) laws.

You will have to figure out this one by yourself.

Cowart
February 29, 2008, 05:39 PM
Here are a couple to get you started:
http://www.sarcoinc.com/
http://www.acmearms.com/80percentfaq.php/

Bill DeShivs
February 29, 2008, 06:20 PM
This thread should be closed. The OP has stated that he is attempting to break the law.
Let it go, guys. This fellow isn't right.

UniversalFrost
February 29, 2008, 09:49 PM
Yes, I have already flagged this for the mods to review and close. This is a blatant request to help break the law.

I also can't understand why COWART would even anser this persons questions when the person said that it was illegal for them to make/possess a firearm in their current state.

MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!

Sgt.Fathead
March 1, 2008, 01:00 AM
I can't believe this thread is still open! I'm actually astonished. UniversalFrost, I'm going to wave a bigger flag. Let's hope it gets locked up or, honestly, the thread starter gets some serious help.

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES BEING ENTERTAINED!

UniversalFrost
March 1, 2008, 12:02 PM
YES THIS SHOULD BE CLOSED.

Also, the thread starter JOHN-DOE probably doesn't realize that in his country he will need to have a permit to purchase ammo for any gun that he either buys or makes. And if I am wrong correct me, but you need a permit for the ammo purchases and the permit is issued for each firearm that the person owns. So, if you own a 8mm mauser chambered rifle and that is your only weapon and the permit is only for 8mm mauser then you can not go out and buy something like 9mm luger with the permit that is only for 8mm Mauser.

MODS WHY HAS THIS THREAD NOT BEEN CLOSED YET????? :confused::confused::confused:

joe

Unclenick
March 1, 2008, 01:19 PM
The mods aren't seeing this, for some reason. I'll drop them a line with the link. In any event, because this request is from overseas, none of the U.S.-based part suppliers will be allowed to export to Sweden or anywhere else. They don't even allow parts as inert as sights to go to Canada. Midway and several other sellers got some major fines over it, which is why they no longer sell outside the U.S. This has been true since 1999, when the Clinton administration signed on to ITAR as Brickeyee said. The enforcement went major after 9/11. On another board a Canadian posted who had brought some reloading items across the boarder. The Canadian authorities inspected him and had no problem with what he had, but warned him that if the American side had stopped and inspected him on his way out of the U.S., he would have been arrested, so it really wasn't worth the risk.

I feel sorry for John-Doe, who appears to have a persecution complex and should not be thinking of gun ownership. I hope he gets psychiatric help. I believe it is free to Swedish citizens in Sweden. If we are wrong about this, somehow, then the free psychiatrist will tell him that we are wrong, and then he can go through legal channels.

John-Doe
March 1, 2008, 02:23 PM
Never mind

Sgt.Fathead
March 1, 2008, 03:09 PM
Those initial comments are mine and I echo them now. You need help but not in the form of any weapon. As I suggested in my PM back to you, while your situation, if true, is regrettable, taking matters, the law, into your own hands is not the answer. Seek help beyond your doctor. A clergyman perhaps? A self defense course? Friends? Law enforcement, a teacher?

Illegally obtaining a firearm, whether through these so called criminals you mention or building one yourself, is not going to solve any problems for you and will undoubtedly, should you actually succeed, make your situation more dire.

How old are you? How bad could this iffy situation actually be? You claim you have no money and no job but want to build a gun.

A FURTHER REQUEST TO CLOSE THIS THREAD!

Eyes of my Enemy
March 2, 2008, 11:32 AM
My initial thoughts on this guy were that he is an undercover ATF agent attempting to see if you could get someone to assist him in breaking the law. Now I just think he is lonely and pathetic. Not to mention a danger to society. I am glad he is in another country besides the U.S.

John-Doe
March 3, 2008, 01:40 PM
Never mind

MODS -delete this thread!

...or close it, whatever...