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jonedell@yahoo.com
February 21, 2008, 08:16 AM
Can anyone PLEASE let me in on the differences between the 870 Wingmasters and the 870 Express shotguns. I am mainly interested in mechanical differences. I think the wingmasters have better wood in the stocks? is that correct or am i just way off here folks? Any help is greatly appreciated

rem870hunter
February 21, 2008, 08:33 AM
the finish express with a matte almost black and the wingmaster with a brighter blue., the trigger group express composite versus wingmaster steel., the furniture( stock and forend). the express is still being made in a super magnum (3.5" shells) as to where the wingmaster is not (3" shells max.). and probably some other things that i did'nt remember.

less machining hence the darker rougher looking appearance on the express model. except the camo and the nickel plated, marine magnum models.
i have an express mag. and a wingmaster mag. both do what i need them to do. always go BANG. a wingmaster will cost more but should last longer than the express. its all in how you take care of it. the express i have is the first one i've owned. i have only had it for a year i have blasted alot of clays and killed one goose with it so far. i can honestly say that the only thing i don't like about the wingmaster. is the shiny bolt. thats all. everything else is fine with the wingmaster except that.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
February 21, 2008, 12:33 PM
The Wingmaster trigger housing is aluminium.

Thing is---I've been seeing plastic housings show up on Marine and Tactical models lately---probably more durable than aluminium when the chips are down.

Dfariswheel
February 21, 2008, 07:55 PM
Here's yet agian are the differences between the Remington 870 models:

The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington’s "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

The new "Tactical" and Marine Magnum guns are based on the Express.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine versions, which do NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece sleeved barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
The Marine Magnum and Tactical models have plated or polymer finishes.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A chrome plated bolt.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin. and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing and is built in a special area of the plant from 100% inspected parts.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Heavy-duty shell lifter spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.

jonedell@yahoo.com
February 21, 2008, 09:50 PM
thank you for all the informative responses. sorry about the newbie question. I already have 1 870 express magnum w/ +2. I am considering a wingmaster when i get back to the south.

wakerider017
February 29, 2008, 10:46 AM
I have a 12GA Wingmaster and a 20GA Express.

The Wingmaster is MUCH nicer and feels a lot smoother! It will be my go to gun come turkey season :)

Running Gunfight
February 29, 2008, 05:22 PM
I bought an express because that was all I had the money for at the time. Got the HD model with the 6 shot mag.

Since then, a knoxx specops, scattergun tech mag spring and follower, sidesaddle, switched out the locking safety for a non-locking factory, and put about 3000 rounds through it with no probs.

Next I am considering getting the MIM parts out of there as they might wear out in 10 years of solid shooting. I have a list of replacement numbers if I ever want to call remington to place an order.