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Creature
February 16, 2008, 03:28 PM
I remember reading a thread a long time ago on this topic, but a search didnt help me much in finding it.

This question is for those that carry a "limited capacity" semi-auto on a daily basis. By limited, I mean those that carry a gun with a magazine capacity of ten rounds or less.

After you have cocked and locked your weapon...do you then always top off your mag?

Why or why not?

Glenn E. Meyer
February 16, 2008, 04:20 PM
Yes - more for the zombies or bad guys. If you are going to carry the gun, why not max it?

Someone will talk about the average gun fight only taking X.X rounds but the average DGU takes NO rounds - so why even load it, let alone top it off?

Also, competitions teach you to top off. Unless you have some reliabililty issue, why be lazy?

obxned
February 16, 2008, 04:38 PM
Is there any reason not to??? I sure can't think of any.

JohnKSa
February 16, 2008, 04:43 PM
Beretta half-heartedly recommends against it in the manual for their 92 series pistols. Half-heartedly because the very next paragraph explains how to do it.

AdamSean
February 16, 2008, 04:50 PM
Always. I find no reason not to so it just comes natural to do so on all my firearms. Including the 12 gauge pump.

Creature
February 16, 2008, 05:17 PM
Maybe because some people dont like a "lose" round floating around after they download?

EHCRain10
February 16, 2008, 05:47 PM
i see no reason not to top off

Creature
February 16, 2008, 06:28 PM
Surely someone out there does not. If you dont, I am interested to know why.

Erik
February 16, 2008, 07:27 PM
Another "there is no reson not to" comment.

JohnKSa
February 16, 2008, 07:48 PM
If you dont, I am interested to know why.Beretta says that loading from the magazine and leaving it a round down from completely full leaves the magazine spring tensioned to about the same amount as a fully loaded magazine would be if it were installed in the gun.

The top round is pushed down a bit by the part of the slide that strips the rounds from the magazine. That means that when a completely loaded magazine is inserted in the gun, the spring is compressed even further. According to Beretta there's an advantage in not subjecting the spring to that additional compression.

I top off in some guns and not in others. The only gun I've ever really noted an issue with was the Glock 20. A fully loaded brand new magazine is pretty hard to lock in place.

wyocarp
February 16, 2008, 11:21 PM
I just got out my G20 and noticed absolutely no difference between having a bullet down the pipe or not when locking a fully loaded magazine in place.

tharmer
February 16, 2008, 11:45 PM
I don't top off my 10 rd mag because it's easy for me to "feel" 10 rds. Not so easy to feel 11.

yomama
February 16, 2008, 11:46 PM
Single stack-----yes

Double stack-----no

To many worries with double stacks to load full. I know many will disagree, but when it comes down to your hide, you want a mag that will cycle.

Why not? Modern springs are great, and won't wear out, but can absolutely intertwine.

38SnubFan
February 17, 2008, 12:11 AM
I do. The manual for my Taurus 24/7 PRO states, "Capacity: 12+1." I see no reason not to take advantage of it.

Although it's true the average DGU takes NO rounds, I'd sooner be prepared for that "non-average DGU". With 13 in the gun and 12 in a spare on left hip, that leaves me with options available.

Stay safe and shoot straight,
38SnubFan

JohnKSa
February 17, 2008, 12:26 AM
I just got out my G20 and noticed absolutely no difference between having a bullet down the pipe or not when locking a fully loaded magazine in place.The difference is between locking a fully loaded magazine in place or locking a magazine in place that is one short of full--with the slide forward in either case.

Topping off a magazine refers to the process of inserting a full magazine into a gun, chambering a round and then removing the magazine and adding another round. The difference is that many times the full magazine is inserted with the slide locked back. With the slide forward (as it must be with a round chambered), the portion of the slide that strips the next cartridge out of the magazine compresses the top round of the magazine downward when the mag is locked in place. If the magazine is already full, that extra compression can make locking the magazine in difficult, especially with a brand new magazine.

By the way, I'm not saying it's either good or bad in general. What do I do? I tend to top off single stack magazines, I tend not to top off double-stacks. It's not a religion though--I'm sure there have been times I've topped off double-stacks without thinking about it.

warrior poet
February 17, 2008, 12:40 AM
Wow. I've NEVER loaded a 30 rd M16 mag to 30 rds. 27 is my max (for a "new" GI mag- older ones get 25 rds), and I don't top it off. I do load three tracers sixth, seventh, and eighth so I'll KNOW when I've only got five rds left in the mag.
As for my pistol(s), since I don't "top off" with a rifle, I don't do it with a pistol. I like using the same rules for both; I'm a KISS kind of guy. I'd rather be 100% reliable than have an extra bullet- I'm not shooting for score... I'm shooting to save my bacon.

45Marlin carbine
February 17, 2008, 02:54 AM
that 'kiss' principle is my belief. both my carrys are single stacks. my Berreta .32acp I tip up the barrel and put a hot loaded H-P down then load the mag of FMJ's. my Mak I carry a hot H-P chambered from the mag with FMJ's.

epic4444
February 17, 2008, 03:11 AM
i have a glock 19 that gets stuck only when i top off....i chamber one...take out tha mag and pop another in...put it back and fire only to have tha slide not return but get jammed...i take tha clip out...clear and then reload....but when i dont top off it works fine...anyone have this problem?? and please tell me how to fix it... and btw not my ccw but i wish it was

Nnobby45
February 17, 2008, 04:18 AM
My 870 with 6 rd. tube is loaded with 5 rds, chamber empty. It stays loaded in that condition for ever. The spring is compressed enough with 5 rds. If I load six, that compresses about 5" of spring down to about 2.5". How long before the spring weakens if fully loaded? I don't know. Call it piece of mind.

My mags for my P229 are also always downloaded by one. Will keeping them fully loaded weaken the springs? The general concensus is no, but since mine are loaded constantly, I feel a little better about it and aren't too concerned with 11rds. instead of 12. :cool:

I have to admitt, that I have some magazines over 10 years old with lots of use and when I measured the length of the springs, there's only about .5" difference from a brand new one. Doesn't seem like lots of spring compression to me.

I keep single stack pistol mags fully loaded, and AR mags downloaded by 1 or 2--but that's for mag. seating and feed reliability. That applies to AR 15, Mini-14, and M1 Carbine.

Where quality is concerned, I think the industry has pretty much mastered springs.

MortalWombat
February 17, 2008, 09:06 AM
My 870 with 6 rd. tube is loaded with 5 rds, chamber empty. It stays loaded in that condition for ever. The spring is compressed enough with 5 rds. If I load six, that compresses about 5" of spring down to about 2.5". How long before the spring weakens if fully loaded?If it was designed for 6, then it shouldn't weaken with constant compression (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_163_27/ai_99130369).

sterno
February 17, 2008, 03:23 PM
I'd like to top it off, but I just can't figure out how to get that extra bullet in my revolver?:D

gordo_gun_guy
February 17, 2008, 03:47 PM
I don't usually top off; at work it's due to the administrative hassle of the extra round, and at home due to reliability concerns and--I'll admit it--laziness.;)

With my 1911, I carry an eight rounder cocked and locked, with two 10rd CMC spares. As for statistics, it's not a matter of how many fights were stopped with nine rounds; it's how many more fights were stopped at the ninth round than at the eighth.

I do rotate the top round frequently, and check for bullet setback. However, in eleven years of carrying CCW, I only once had a round shortened by frequent cycling, which was a 115 gr 9mm Win Silvertip in my P-11.

Thanks to unit-funded Mag-Pull rebuild kits, I load 30 in my 30 rounders with zero malfunctions to date--except when initially chambering a round without seating the mag hard and when, for grins, I've tried topping off. I think, due to the longer skirt on the Mag-pull follower, there's more pressure when seating a full 30 against a closed bolt. Carrying Army style, chambering a round when leaving the wire, I'm totally comfortable with 30s. If I ever have to carry my M-4 with Air Force rules ("bolt-forward load!"), I'll probably stick with 29 or fewer to be safe.

I NEVER top off my P-3AT; it just won't run with 7.

chris in va
February 17, 2008, 04:02 PM
The *only* thing I can think of is what happens to my Sig 220. With one chambered, a full mag is fairly difficult to click in properly. I found this out the hard way first time I carried it. Got home to check things over like I usually do, the mag wasn't fully seated. It would have been a single shot pistol.:rolleyes:

Note: Just so everyone knows I've never had a problem firing it with a full mag.

warrior poet
February 17, 2008, 04:29 PM
From Gordo:
Thanks to unit-funded Mag-Pull rebuild kits, I load 30 in my 30 rounders with zero malfunctions to date--except when initially chambering a round without seating the mag hard and when, for grins, I've tried topping off. I think, due to the longer skirt on the Mag-pull follower, there's more pressure when seating a full 30 against a closed bolt.

Wow. When is the USMC going to get funds for stuff like that? Oh yeah, I forgot... we have to beg the Navy for money. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

workingstiff
February 17, 2008, 05:00 PM
I'd like to top it off, but I just can't figure out how to get that extra bullet in my revolver?

Sterno, it's easy. Flip,the cylinder open and put one in the pipe. :eek: I've carried this way for years and thankfully, have never had to use it. I always remove the +1 round before I practice at the range because they don't allow rapid fire there. ;)

wyocarp
February 17, 2008, 05:24 PM
JohnKsa, I understand the process thank you very much. I was commenting that I noticed no difference in the amount of pressure needed to insert a new magazine either way in my G20.

mountainclmbr
February 17, 2008, 05:27 PM
I practice what I shoot. If there are problems I might change before getting a different gun. But, maybe not. I have not changed from full capacity yet.

IdahoG36
February 17, 2008, 05:34 PM
I always load my first mag to capacity and then chamber a round, and my spare mags are loaded to one less than maximum capacity. It is less stress on the mag springs and helps them to last longer and perform reliably.
For all of you that state the "need" for that extra round in a SD handgun, the average self defense shooting is over in three rounds or less fired.
I used to be in that camp. I felt the need to carry 25-30 rounds for my CCW. Then I realized a few things-
A)If I need 25-30 rounds of handgun ammunition in a SD situation, I am in over my head and should have brought a rifle.
B)Shot placement is king.
C)We don't have roaming gangs of criminals where I live.
D)Zombies aren't real.
My winter carry gun is a Springfield XD .45acp Compact, and for summertime carry, a NAA Guardian .32 acp. 10 rounds and 7 rounds respectively.
It took me a while to overcome this "need" to carry a ton of ammunition for my CCW, but I looked at my surroundings, the community I live in, and the low crime rate, and realized that I am well armed with 7 or 10 rounds.

Wuchak
February 17, 2008, 06:08 PM
Yes, always. The P-3AT is the only semi I carry and I want the extra round of .380. I shoot it this way at the range so I know it's reliable. Mag springs are made to be under compression. If the extra little bit of pressure on the top round from having the mag in the gun is a concern then it's time to change to better magazine springs.

Boris Bush
February 17, 2008, 06:20 PM
Wuchak

I carry my P32 the same way and always top it off at the range before I shoot. It has never failed me. I agree on the mag spring thing too. I will add, the engineers that make them probably expect the mags to be fully loaded and in the mag well locked.

FWIW I had an older SIG P226 that was a tight fit fully loaded, and I got a newer machined slide one and it worked fine with a fully loaded mag inserted on a forward slide, with the same exact mags.......

IdahoG36
February 17, 2008, 06:35 PM
I should have clarified in my post, I will top off my single stack mags, but not my double stack. My NAA Guardian .32acp has a mag capacity of 6 rounds, so I chamber a round and top it off. I just don't top off my double stack mags.

JohnKSa
February 17, 2008, 11:15 PM
wyocarp,

You said:I just got out my G20 and noticed absolutely no difference between having a bullet down the pipe or not when locking a fully loaded magazine in place. "Having a bullet down the pipe" means that a round is chambered. Whether or not a round is chambered has no effect on how much effort it takes to lock in a fully loaded mag. Is that not what you meant to say?. I was commenting that I noticed no difference in the amount of pressure needed to insert a new magazine either way in my G20.Ok, just to refresh my memory I snagged one of my brand new G20 hi-caps (never been loaded) and filled it up. Then, with the slide forward (i.e. not locked back) I locked the mag into place in a G20, removed the mag, stripped a round out and locked it into the G20 again. BIG difference--it's significantly easier with the magazine downloaded by one. Dunno what else to say 'bout that...

nemoaz
February 18, 2008, 12:20 AM
Never heard of any federal agency, state/local LE agency, or any military that teaches carrying one less round than capacity in a pistol Nor any experts. Lotsa independent testing and shooting going on, yet no one suggests carrying less than full capacity in a quality handgun. I'll keep doing what the real experts recommend, carrying my pistols at full capacity, 12+1, 15+1 whatever.

Longarms- many teach to carry less than full capacity. My UMP and AR mags are two rounds down. Never heard of a problem with a pump shotgun carrying its capacity.

JohnKSa
February 18, 2008, 12:24 AM
..yet no one suggests carrying less than full capacity in a quality handgun.As I pointed out earlier, Beretta suggests it in their 92/96 pistols. They don't fit into one of the categories of groups you list, but it's hard to totally discount what they say about their own firearms in the owner's manuals.

If you read this article you'll find another company that recommends downloading their pistol mags by a round. http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HG_1207_07/

From a practical standpoint, if you have a gun like my G20 where it can be hard to seat a fully loaded magazine, downloading it by a round makes it much less likely that you'll bobble a reload by failing to seat the magazine.

Again, I'm not saying it's a must/should kind of thing, but clearly in some cases manufacturers seem to believe there's a benefit and it's not hard to see how it could help in certain guns and certain situations.

Creature
February 18, 2008, 09:28 AM
I do rotate the top round frequently, and check for bullet setback.

Wouldn't crimping prevent setback? Maybe this is a whole other topic, but what causes set back and why is it such a big deal?

David Armstrong
February 18, 2008, 10:21 AM
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. The basic rule is that for double stacks I download. Some older studies showed that the most likely malfunction for double stacks was with the first round in a fully loaded mag. Don't know if that is still true after 30 years, but I'll take probable reliability over probable need for 1 more round. Browning used to (again, 30 years ago) recommend 1 round down in their Hi-Power mags. If I don't have at least 1/4" of compression left I will also download a round for ease in seating the mag.

Mannlicher
February 18, 2008, 11:00 AM
yes, I always chamber a round, then remove the magazine, and top it off. Just no reason not to do it.
My 1911 guns, and my CZ guns don't seem to mind a bit.

BloodyBucket03
February 18, 2008, 11:24 AM
I never top of my mags. You will end up stressing out the springs in your magazine and when you having to use your weapon in a situation a chance of having a jam can occur. So what I do is I load my mags at half capacity + 1 in the chamber and every couple weeks I rotate my mags around.

JohnKSa
February 19, 2008, 02:32 AM
what causes set back and why is it such a big deal?Setback is when the bullet is pushed back into the case. It can happen to a round during chambering if it is not crimped properly or to a round that is repeatedly chambered, even if it IS crimped properly.

Setback reduces the case volume which, in turn, increases chamber pressure upon firing. Some calibers/loadings are particularly sensitive to setback (notably the 180gr .40S&W) and in a round that is sensitive to setback the pressure increase can be sufficient to cause damage to the firearm.So what I do is I load my mags at half capacity + 1 in the chamber and every couple weeks I rotate my mags around.Underloading by two rounds is pretty conservative--underloading by half AND rotating your mags every couple of weeks is overkill.

shiky
February 19, 2008, 03:37 AM
and its also harmful to the springs in the mags. Keeping springs compressed does not wear them out...thats just an old wives tale. constantly compressing and depressing them will.

gordo_gun_guy
February 19, 2008, 07:16 AM
JohnKsa said it all re setback. I think that was one of the few "problems" I learned about soley through reading gunzines, and I was darned sure surprised that it actually happened to me once!:D

And, I'll tell on myself: being an engineer by academic training, of course I saved that round, took it to the range, and shot it. I didn't observe any change in felt recoil (from higher pressure due to reduced case volume), the gun didn't blow up, and the next round fed. Still, I would NEVER carry such a round, and having not been killed by curiosity the first time, will NEVER chamber and fire a deformed round again....:cool:

tegemu
February 19, 2008, 08:35 AM
Of course, why would you short yourself one round, delay your response time while you jacked in a round, when seconds count, Often you only have one hand available for gun handling, why handicap yourself.

mamboreta
February 19, 2008, 11:02 AM
My P226 at home is always "almost" full. I mean: one round short. Next to my P226 are my other two magazines, one round short each one of them. 14 + 1 + 16 + 9. It´s almost a box of ammo, and that´s enough for me

Most of the use I give to the gun is entertainment, putting holes at the local range, but if I have to carry, I don´t see my chances of surviving being dramatically reduced by having 30 shots instead of 32.

And that´s why I carry a revolver ;).

jabotinsky
February 19, 2008, 04:51 PM
I don't carry with a round chambered, so it's always topped off! :cool:

ibfestus
February 21, 2008, 02:06 PM
Was in his night stand with a GI 7 rd mag topped off and one down the tube for 20+ years. When he died I fired all 8 rounds and they fed flawlessly as did the 7 rounds in his spare mag. I top mine off and have never had any problems.

JohnKSa
February 22, 2008, 12:57 AM
Yup, a good quality, standard capacity, single stack mag shouldn't need to be underloaded. Not always the case with a doublestack magazine, particularly if the manufacturer was bent on getting the absolute maximum capacity possible out of the size available.

B.N.Real
February 22, 2008, 02:15 PM
I've had several auto pistols that did'nt like that last round in the magazine.

Just make sure you chamber a round in the gun,if it's safe to carry that way and delete one round from the mag.

You should'nt have to use a prybar to get your magazine in a pistol.

BloodyBucket03
February 22, 2008, 03:17 PM
Underloading by two rounds is pretty conservative--underloading by half AND rotating your mags every couple of weeks is overkill.

You are entitled to your opinion. If you have six rounds and 1 in the chamber how many more do you need. The only place where I carried a full magazine and needed to was in Iraqi. I don't believe our local neighborhoods are a combats zone that have armed gunman with AK's and RPG's waiting to shoot at us!

stephen426
February 22, 2008, 03:27 PM
I've also noticed that it is difficult to lock the mag in place if I top off or insert a fully loaded mag into the gun with the slide closed. I feel it is more of an issue with my Les Baer TR Special. Haven't noticed it in my other guns. Maybe they build their guns too tight. ;) I don;t top off my other guns anyways. If I go to the range, guns are not allowed to be loaded. Rather than having the extra round floating around, I only carry a full mag and then rack the slide.

Got Lead?
February 22, 2008, 03:32 PM
In Ohio we have an emasculated version of CCW. We can't carry to any place which serves alcohol, nor can we take it to any place that has a No-Firearm notice which is quite a few places in South West Ohio.

That means I need to pull and stow my piece. When I leave my gun in the car I release the mag and put it my pocket. Assuming it won't disturb anything. It's nice to be able to put the round back in the mag. There is also the problem of having to eject the mag and load the extra round.

That being said, I still usually top off the mags and pocket the loose round. One busy day I found 3 rounds in my pocket from where I not capped the rounds after loading.

stephen426
February 22, 2008, 03:55 PM
By the way...

I just wanted to post this for those who may not know that you should not load the gun by dropping a bullet into the breach as this may damager your extractor. The proper way to top off is to insert a loaded mag, eject the mag, and then insert another round into the mag. If everyone knew that already... sorry to be redundant. :o

Nnobby45
February 22, 2008, 05:59 PM
If it was designed for 6, then it shouldn't weaken with constant compression.

Well, I lean toward your point of view, but "shouldn't weaken it" it isn't the definitive answer I'm looking for, and the link you furnished still amounts to one persons opinion in contrast to those of others.

Probably just a mental thing where 5" of spring sounds better than reducing it to 2.5" with the 6th round. Might be working on the edge of it's limits.

I can tell you that an aquaintence of mine had a weak spring in his 1100 Rem. and it wouldn't push out the last couple shells. I got a phone call asking me to diagnose the problem.

Many years ago, I'd guess 25 or so, he made himself a plug of his own unique design! A piece of broom handle that compressed the spring, even when unloaded, for all these years. He never removed it.

Doesn't really prove that a five inch piece of broom handle weakend the spring after decades, but does make one consider the possibility.

ISC
February 22, 2008, 07:27 PM
I keep 30 in most M16 mags, if the last on was tight going in I'll take it out.

as for my personal pistols, I don't top off. I usually don't even keep a round in the chamber unless I'm somewhere I think of as unsafe.

I can't see how 16 rds is going to do anything more than 14, but there are plenty of times when I need to make a pistol safe and don't want a loose round floating around.

Stevie-Ray
February 22, 2008, 08:31 PM
Never. Mostly because I attend a lot of gun shows and don't want an extra cartridge rolling around my pocket with the mag after the gun is show-safed.

mountainclmbr
February 23, 2008, 10:48 PM
In my carry gun I always have the full mag capacity plus one in the chamber. Why place the odds in favor of the BG's? I shoot this way too so I know my guns/mags are reliable in this method.

Rifleman 173
March 19, 2008, 11:37 PM
When you are not shooting you had best be reloading or moving. Top off if time allows it or top off and move if possible.

Hook686
March 20, 2008, 02:58 AM
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i have a glock 19 that gets stuck only when i top off....i chamber one...take out tha mag and pop another in...put it back and fire only to have tha slide not return but get jammed...i take tha clip out...clear and then reload....but when i dont top off it works fine...anyone have this problem?? and please tell me how to fix it... and btw not my ccw but i wish it was


I have the same problem with my S&W 3913TSW. I do not top off simply because when I do, the slide jams on the first shot, but does not if only 7 are in the magazine. I am attributing this currently to the 'newness' of the pistol. Hopefully it will ameliorate with time and useage.

Brit
March 20, 2008, 04:43 AM
The new Glock 9mm followers, are the best they have ever made, and when fitted into a G17 magazine, allow for an 18 round load! I don't do that, but just to show how much more advanced this combination is I mentioned it, yes the 18 round mag will click home on a closed bolt/slide.

Carry G19, 15 round Mag; in place, one in the chamber, never had a problem, it was designed that way.

Your spare on the other side magazine, use a G17, gives you two extra rounds.

Doggieman
March 21, 2008, 04:33 AM
when I'm carrying, I load 'em to capacity. When they're sitting around at home (sometimes for months at a time) I leave the mag one round light. For the spring's sake, even if the Internet says compressing it all the way down for long periods of time doesn't weaken it... I don't believe everything I read on the internet.

si vis pacem, para b
March 21, 2008, 11:31 AM
It makes sense to me to top off, I carry a 1911 I know I have seven rounds before I need to reload. After I shoot those seven rounds I still have one in the chamber therefore allowing me to reload without having to release the slide. This may not seem like something that takes a lot of time but milliseconds can make the difference in a real life situation. Or would it make more sense to shoot that eighth round then reload and release the slide. What do you guys think?

parrothead2581
March 21, 2008, 11:48 AM
I have noticed more reliable feeding when I don't top off. If a jam is going to occur, it seems to happen at either the first or last shot. When that top round is chambered and the magazine is not topped off, my reliability is quite boring. When a round is chambered and the magazine is topped off, a jam will happen every now and then.

I'm not saying my way is the right way, it's just what makes me feel better, and what seems to work for me. Compromising reliability for one extra round isn't for me. If I'm fightin' for my life I want every bit of reliability/decreased chance of a malfunction I can get. Just tryin' to increase my chances of survival.

warrior poet
March 22, 2008, 03:28 PM
+1 parrothead!

ssilicon
March 22, 2008, 10:23 PM
I think Creature hit it right on. Of course it's good to top off, BUT, if for any reason you need to change your gun to unchambered before you get back home... that extra round now maybe doesn't have a very good home. So that can be a reason not to jam "one more" in. It all depends on each person's individual circumstances and situation.

weldonjr2001
March 30, 2008, 05:15 PM
"Surely someone out there does not. If you dont, I am interested to know why."

I always load my magazines 1 or more short. I believe it helps the springs last longer, makes the pistols function better, and I like knowing my first pistolfull is a nice-round number, like 10 or 15.

Rifleman 173
March 31, 2008, 09:19 AM
When you go into combat, you learn to top off every chance that you get. If you have the right cover available and you have the time and if you can keep a weather eye out for the hostiles, top off. I don't care if it is single stack or double stack. Top off. You also learn to top off while a buddy watches out for the enemy or hostiles and then he tops off while you watch for the zombies. Every chance that you get, make improvements to your combat situation. I learned that overseas in Viet Nam from an old paratrooper sergeant and his advice help keep me alive over there for 19 months. Every day I saw him do a little bit more to his foxhole, check his magazines, position his grenades and so on. In between the firefights he would reload his magazines and reposition or replace his claymore mines as needed. Yes, top off when possible.

Doggieman
March 31, 2008, 06:34 PM
while I agree with what you say, I'm not sure that's what they meant by topping off. I read it as, do you do an "administrative load" with your weapon or do you simply do a "speed load" (forgive me if I got the terms wrong).

IIRC....

Administrative load: fill the mag to capacity, insert, chamber one, drop the mag and insert a final round, reinsert mag.

Speed load: fill the mag to capacity, chamber one, you're done.

Yellowfin
March 31, 2008, 07:45 PM
With only a mag capacity of 7 for my daily carry, you bet I top off. I need to get an extra mag or two now that you mention it.

Horseless Trooper
March 31, 2008, 08:20 PM
With my Hi-Power I don't top off and I only carry 12 rds in my spare mags. Not from any real conviction, just the way I have always done it. As I carry a revolver more often than an auto I'm not really worried about only having 13 on tap. I carry my single stacks topped off. I download my 20 and 30rd rifle mags by 2 and my home defence pump shotguns by 1.

Deaf Smith
March 31, 2008, 09:26 PM
Happly I have much Glock mags. So my Glock 27 has 10 in the mag, and one in the oven. The spare has a full 10 (these are factory Glock 27s with factory +1 extensions.)

Now if I packed my Glock 17 or 19, well I really would not care if it had 18 or 17 rounds. But the 27 does not even hold a bakers dozen, so I load to max.

sm
April 2, 2008, 01:37 AM
I don't.

How raised, mentored and all that.

Then again how raised mentored and all that applies to me and like kind.
We also carry dirty guns...

Deal is, our guns run, and we know there will always be more evil than we can ever carry ammunition.
So first off, we do not consider a firearm, or ammunition as being the only tool in the tool box for staying safe.

This frees up a lot of energy that is best used to stay safe.

We also are known to have to drop mag, and rack slide to clear and store a gun,so we don't want to have to keep up with that extra round, and the folks the guns are under care of guns don't have to, so a safety thing.

WE all do the same thing, and repetition becomes habit, and habit becomes faith.
Same reason we only use 7 round mags in 1911, or do not use a greater mag capacity than original mag is.

*shrug*

Reality is, when it is your turn to get injured, maimed or dead, you get injured, maimed or dead.

The universe was clicking along before I or you showed up, and it will continue to, if one gets injured, maimed or dead, despite spouses, kids, friends, material possessions and whatever else.

Accept this and it frees up energy that can better used to stay safe, until check out time.

Carry another gun or two, drawing another is often faster that reloading, and negates the primary gun with any malfunctions.
Drawing from weak side, as many of us were taught, often offers advantages as criminals know intended prey strong side ( they watched you write a check,or open a door) so throwing them off loop is not a bad idea.

Makes sense to me-

Be the firstest with the mostest - Gen. Bedford Forrest, CSA



How raised - what you do.