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SPUSCG
February 9, 2008, 09:22 PM
ive heard a double barrelled is best for hom defense since you have a quick second shot and its simple but ive also heard a pump gun is best

for strictly home defense, what would be best?

EEL92fs
February 9, 2008, 09:24 PM
I will take the pump and my 6 shots..

hoytinak
February 9, 2008, 09:26 PM
I prefer my pump Mossy 500.

KMO
February 9, 2008, 10:38 PM
I was out practicing with my Mossberg 500 today, using 00 buck loads. Honestly, I cannot imagine this being less than whatever any home defense incident might require. It's an awesome thing. No BG is going to be on the wrong end of this weapon. I've got 8 rounds to shoot with this gun. I'm convinced 1 is plenty.

bcrash15
February 9, 2008, 10:40 PM
no ones going to argue if you're holding any shotgun in their face. But if the intruder somehow determines that you have a double barrel and knows you fired two shots, that is not good. I expect most situations two shots would be enough, but if you do have to shoot more than that, a pump is a great advantage.

Also, pumps let you have the psychological factor of loudly racking the slide. This should make most thieves flee without having to fire a shot. ;)

KMO
February 9, 2008, 10:45 PM
Also, pumps let you have the psychological factor of loudly racking the slide.

You're right...With a pump, one might never get a shot off. BG's don't like that sound...

nate45
February 9, 2008, 10:51 PM
I was just watching this Thunder Ranch video on Defensive Shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw) earlier. Even a single shot shotgun can be used effectively if you know what you are doing.

I myself would not say a single or double barreled shotgun was the best for defense, but they are both certainly viable options.

m24shooter
February 9, 2008, 11:15 PM
Whatever gun you have is going to be the best. Doubles are OK, I would prefer to have a little more though. Doubles do give you an extremely short package without sacrificing barrel length. The second shot is pretty fast, but then that's it. While that may be enough, I don't put just enough gas in my truck to make it to the next stations, I have insurance, and I carry a spare and tool kit.
And I seriously hope you guys aren't relying on the alleged benefit of the sound of a shotgun being pumped.

KMO
February 9, 2008, 11:18 PM
And I seriously hope you guys aren't relying on the alleged benefit of the sound of a shotgun being pumped.

Nah, if that was true, I suppose I'd have invested in a P.A. system instead of a shotgun...

m24shooter
February 9, 2008, 11:54 PM
Nah, if that was true, I suppose I'd have invested in a P.A. system instead of a shotgun...
I've often wondered why the true believers don't do just that.

skeeter1
February 10, 2008, 12:15 AM
I've got a couple of SxS doubles, and wouldn't hesitate to use them for HD. I've shot them for years, and would feel comfortable using one.

OTOH, they're also a lot more expensive (SKBs) than a pump, like a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870.

Unless you're committed to a double gun, go with the pump. You'll save a bunch of money and have more firepower to boot.

curmudgeon1
February 10, 2008, 12:21 AM
Mossberg pump with 18.5 inch barrel and pistol grip
for manueverability. 6 rounds for more than one predator.
12 ga. of course.

SPUSCG
February 10, 2008, 08:27 PM
which would be better for firing slugs at a range? not that id use slugs for home defense

YukonKid
February 10, 2008, 08:52 PM
personally if i heard a shotgun close to me in the dark being racked i would be running like a bat out of heII. You guys are probably hard ass's though, it would take a .50 being cocked (double pull) to make you even consider you were in danger :rolleyes:

I like my 7 shot 870. I always know it will work.

m24shooter
February 10, 2008, 09:39 PM
The problem with your analogy is that you don't go around breaking into houses. You are probably sober (at least for the most part), rational, law-abiding, and do not suffer from ED issues. You are deterred from crime either through internal controls, or by means of law and law enforcement, and don't see the consequences to getting caught as worth the risk or a job hazard.
The people that you would encounter in an HD situation aren't.

c_o_jones
February 11, 2008, 02:23 AM
Here's my HD mossy 500.
To me, nothing says "I don't love you" quite like a laser dot...
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff132/__gab123__/DSCF0993.jpg

Buzzcook
February 11, 2008, 04:14 AM
A pump before a double.
Just remember that in home defense the shotgun is supposed to be a "wait till they come to me" rather than a "go and get'em" type weapon.

KMO
February 11, 2008, 07:32 AM
...the shotgun is supposed to be a "wait till they come to me" rather than a "go and get'em" type weapon.

Since our context here is home defense, how much "waiting" is the home defender supposed to do? If the intruder is already in the house (my house), I'm not doing much waiting at that point. If I'm equipped (shotgun), and he's in my familiar territory, he's in serious trouble. I'm track'n him down.

SR420
February 11, 2008, 07:58 AM
No pump for me... mine is a semi-auto HK/Benelli

KMO
February 11, 2008, 08:27 AM
B-b-but, you get no rack sound with that.

SteelCore
February 11, 2008, 08:33 AM
I think I'd prefer a semi for home defense also. If you're being shot at, it could be very easy to short-stroke a pump. And if you take a bullet in the arm, operating the pump is gonna get a lot more difficult.

Some say that semis aren't as reliable as pumps, but others have opined that this isn't really true anymore as long as you're not using light loads. For example, I've read about more than a few owners' experiences with the Mossberg 930 SPX, and I've heard that it digests pretty much everything without a hiccup. I'd probably trust it to cycle an action in a firefight more reliably than I could.

KMO
February 11, 2008, 08:44 AM
I have no argument against the semis, but if the home defender has something like c o jones’ tactical monstrosity pictured above, I’d say he’s on the offensive in a home intruder situation – not likely to have much return fire coming his way…at least not much accurate fire...

SR420
February 11, 2008, 08:51 AM
kmoffitt

B-b-but, you get no rack sound with that.

Exactly, I prefer stealth.

I never understood why one would want to give away the element of surprise by racking the action...

KMO
February 11, 2008, 09:14 AM
Nothing wrong with that stealth strategy, but while I'm racking my gun (& drawing his attention), my other family members are quietly fixing their sights on him (or her)...gotta involve the whole family ya know...togetherness & stuff like that.

hogdogs
February 11, 2008, 11:34 AM
The "poop their pants sound of a racking slide is BS the first thing a BG is going to do is seek cover maybe on the way out or to fire in the direction of the sound...
Call me a ruthless prick but my gun already has a round in the pipe and if they can make out the sound of the safety being slid forward or trigger rearward they have got a chance! With the adequate light to ID the person as a BG I won't even utter a sound... I won't consider the job done until I rack the 3rd round and if more than one thug is insider I will bust off number 3 and 4 saving 5 and 6 to be used in case unexpected motion dictates their use!
Mossberg all the way...
Brent

Creature
February 11, 2008, 11:54 AM
I will take the pump and my 6 shots..

I will take my pump...and my 9 shots. Double barrel shotguns are for sport. (Here comes the "blasphem!" replies..)

KMO
February 11, 2008, 12:20 PM
The "poop their pants sound of a racking slide is BS...

I think this is just playful humor...relax. If sounds would do the trick, I'd be selling CD's...

I like my pump too, but 8 shots is all I have. I hope that's enough if the time should ever come...

hogdogs
February 11, 2008, 12:26 PM
kmoffitt, That ain't aimed to you... I been hearing that line for 20+ years and kinda believed it until about 19 years ago when my pop said "well wouldn't the sound of an opening and closing single shot have the same effect?" DUH, yeah dad I think you got me there! next he said "When did I ever teach you to plan a tactical situation either at home or in the woods hunting, to be unarmed?" You are not armed until you have a weapon READY TO FIRE... From then on I believe in one in the pipe-5 in the tube...
Brent

KMO
February 11, 2008, 01:55 PM
All in fun...sounds like we're all prepared just in case...

skeeter1
February 11, 2008, 02:15 PM
"All in fun...sounds like we're all prepared just in case..."

Go rent the movie "Secondhand Lions". It will give you respect for a pump shotgun. :D

I wish I had a Winchester Model 12. Greatest pump shotgun.

I did have a Marlin Model 120, and it was a complete POS. Everything was pinned together, not screwed together, and the pins would start falling out after just one day of duck hunting.

As much as I like Marlin rifles, that shotgun was crap.

Creature
February 11, 2008, 02:48 PM
Go rent the movie "Secondhand Lions". It will give you respect for a pump shotgun.

"LA Confidential" (1997) has a great scene where a pump shotgun is used to good effect.

Mister_Dinky
February 11, 2008, 03:17 PM
home defense

Army uses pumps, cops use pumps. This is for a reason.
That being said, if all I had was a double barrel, I'd have a $4 buttstock shell holder on it and sleep just fine at night. THAT being said, my HD long gun is a pump.

SPUSCG
February 11, 2008, 06:06 PM
i dont see why a semi would be better for home defense for me, i dont think i could control it well and when one arm goes out drawing a pistol is better than shooting one handed