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gunnut310
June 3, 2011, 12:36 AM
thankyou

ECDV63
June 3, 2011, 11:19 PM
I have an old service revolver that was left to me its a S&W model 10 5 with serial # D92xxx which i thought was odd.arent the SN's supposed to be 6 digits ? Its in decent condition and now lives in my gun case on display. any help with its history is appreciated. it was left to by a family friend who used to be a G&F officer. Thx in advance.

laytonj1
June 4, 2011, 10:46 AM
D92xxx
Serial numbers ran from D90001 in 1969 to D330000 in 1970.
arent the SN's supposed to be 6 digits
Depends on the model and time era.
SN's could start at 1 and run thru to 999999 or, in the case with letters, have up to 7 digits (example: D999999 or ABC1234).

Jim

ECDV63
June 4, 2011, 02:15 PM
thank you much Jim, appreciate it

ironmike86
June 5, 2011, 02:20 PM
I've been reading the forum for awhile but decide to register to see if anyone could tell me the year my S&W was made. I keep it because it's easy to shoot. Only wheel I have..at the moment. I'm starting to like wheels alot more that clips now.
38 S&W. Special CTG on the barrel
bottom of handle 4D92XXX
cylinder or by 12621 MCD-10-7
Thanks for the help

Mike

laytonj1
June 5, 2011, 05:07 PM
bottom of handle 4D92XXX
It's a model 10 made in 1979.

Jim

ironmike86
June 5, 2011, 08:14 PM
Thank you thats that I found. Just wanted a second or "right" opinion. Guess it's not worth much but it's an accurate shooter. I like mag guns but this thing is ps reliable I'm looking at a 357 or 4 now. Just they co$t so much more. My buget is lock, Sprigfield ,Rugar range. The wheels cost more.

HeavyG
June 6, 2011, 12:02 AM
Newbie here...

My Father just gave me his S & W...357 Magnum with a red tip 6 shot...short barrel...where on earth is the serial number? I am looking everywhere to figure out what model this is. Do all these revolvers have serial numbers?

laytonj1
June 6, 2011, 05:29 PM
where on earth is the serial number?
See pic. You'll likely have to remove the grips to see it.

Jim
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/laytonj1/swstandard.jpg

Ignacio49
June 6, 2011, 06:46 PM
Hi Jim.

Another one for DOB, this time an stainless Bodyguard 649-7

S/N CBB5xxx.

It says 38 spl in the barrel. Being a recent model I thought it would say 38+P.
I guess it handles a steady diet of 38+P without any problem. Am I right?

Thanks for your kind help.
Ignacio

laytonj1
June 7, 2011, 05:02 PM
S/N CBB5xxx.
Are you sure on that serial number? CBB dates it to 1996 which is -2, -3 time frame.

And yes, +P is okay.

Jim

Ignacio49
June 7, 2011, 05:13 PM
Jim, you are right. It is a -2

Thanks again.

HeavyG
June 7, 2011, 11:45 PM
Thank you very much LaytonJ1!!!!!!!!! Bingo!

HeavyG:D

roguetwelve12
June 8, 2011, 01:53 AM
OK I'll play too. :)

Smith and Wesson .45 Hand Ejector U.S. Service Model of 1917. Serial number is 163063. My money is that it's a 1919 but any help that anybody could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Steamer01
June 8, 2011, 05:55 PM
I just received a S&W Model 10, Serial No. C 209705. Can anyone help identify the guns origins?
Thanks...

laytonj1
June 8, 2011, 07:53 PM
Serial number is 163063. My money is that it's a 1919
Serial numbers ran from 1 in Sept. 1917 to 169959 in Jan 1919.
Sooo.... you might be right.
S&W Model 10, Serial No. C 209705.
Serial numbers ran from C1 in 1948 to C223998 in 1951. At that time it was called the .38 Military & Police. It became the Model 10 when S&W began assigning model numbers around 1957.

Jim

Dave Anderson
June 8, 2011, 08:04 PM
Smith and Wesson .45 Hand Ejector U.S. Service Model of 1917. Serial number is 163063. My money is that it's a 1919 but any help that anybody could provide would be greatly appreciated.

According to Roy Jinks, this model had its own serial number range commencing with #1 made on September 6, 1917. He states factory records indicate they had reached S/N 163476 when the war ended Nov 11, 1918.

This would make yours one of the last produced during the war. Many of the later-production revolvers were not delivered to the U.S. military as they were no longer needed and were sold commercially, the last of the wartime production leaving the factory on January 5, 1921. After this date production of the model for commercial sale continued (with checkered walnut grips) though sales were at a fairly slow pace.

From "A History of Smith & Wesson" by Roy G. Jinks

Steamer01
June 8, 2011, 08:18 PM
1948 to 1951.. close enough for me. Thanks again.

oldsarge
June 9, 2011, 03:31 PM
Hi all,
New member, old S&W fan - my first handgun was a model 10 brand new for $100 in 1976. I have just put down a deposit on a pre model 10 in good shape, grips appear correct, s/n is 6536xx, which from discussion here appears pre-war. Anyone able to narrow it down for me?
Thanks in advance,
oldsarge

laytonj1
June 9, 2011, 04:50 PM
s/n is 6536xx
1935, give or take a year.

Jim

oldsarge
June 9, 2011, 04:57 PM
Thanks Jim, a few years older than I thought.:) I'll shoot it gently with light load wadcutters at the range mostly, but might consider some non-+P BJHP for in the nightstand duty. Pics when I get it home.
oldsarge

hanno
June 10, 2011, 11:24 AM
Just picked up my NY-1 marked Model 64 - Serial # BPR4***.

Would appreciate the year of manufacture.

I will be buying the book.

Many thanks.

laytonj1
June 10, 2011, 06:29 PM
Serial # BPR4***.
1994.

Jim

hanno
June 10, 2011, 07:22 PM
Thank you sir.

gunluver
June 10, 2011, 09:51 PM
Holy Cow, I got lucky this week. I posted earlier about a S&W model 19 that I found, but I didn't act quick enough and someone bought it. Well, today the owner of the gunstore called me and told me the guy who bought it brought it back.....apparently the wife did not agree with his purchase and he sold it back. So, I was able to get it after all....and at a better price. $410. Not bad.
It's a model 19-7, no other markings. Serial number BRB56xx. I don't have one of those handy dandy S&W books, is there someone here that can help me with it's date of birth?

Thanks in advance

pea_pop
June 11, 2011, 01:10 PM
recently acquired a model 67, curious about year? new to this site and very excited about new gun!!
SN#: 5K19XXX
also if anyone knows any useful info about this gun i should know about, it would be greatly appreciated, THANKS!!

Mojave
June 11, 2011, 02:32 PM
Today I picked up 2 Model 66's: a 4" and a 2.5".

The 4" is a Model 66 (no dash), stamped with Minnesota State Patrol, serial 9K52xxx. I suspect it's from the mid 70's.

The 2.5" is a 66-2, serial ACN9xxx. I'd guess it to be from the mid 80's.

Any more info would be greatly appreciated!

Dave Anderson
June 11, 2011, 05:30 PM
recently acquired a model 67, curious about year? new to this site and very excited about new gun!!
SN#: 5K19XXX
also if anyone knows any useful info about this gun i should know about, it would be greatly appreciated, THANKS!!

Your revolver was made in 1973. It is a stainless steel version of the original blued carbon steel S&W Combat Masterpiece .38 Special which was introduced in 1950. When S&W began using model numbers in 1957 the original blue steel version became the model 15.

The stainless steel version, model 67, was introduced in 1972. Essentially it is a refined version of the K-frame Military & Police. It has a medium weight barrel with narrow rib and micrometer adjustable rear sight.

All things considered (weight, size, ease of carry, recoil, accuracy, shootability, overall quality) a good case can be made that no better .38 Spl. revolver exists than the Combat Masterpiece.

laytonj1
June 11, 2011, 05:38 PM
Serial number BRB56xx.
1994.
serial 9K52xxx. I suspect it's from the mid 70's.
serial ACN9xxx I'd guess it to be from the mid 80's.
Good guesses.
9K52xxx = 1976.
ACN9xxx = 1983.

Jim

Mojave
June 11, 2011, 05:40 PM
Good guesses.
9K52xxx = 1976.
ACN9xxx = 1983.

Jim

Thanks for the dates! I spent some time on Wikipedia, and the dates of the engineering changes narrowed it down quite a bit.

xleo
June 11, 2011, 10:28 PM
Hello all... hoping someone can provide DOB info on S&W Model 38 Bodyguard, SN 802JXX

Thanks in advance!

MalinoisFan
June 12, 2011, 11:43 AM
Greetings fellow S&W enthusiasts! Just purchased a Model 37 Airweight, no dash, and square butt. The serial number is 651576. Any idea as to when this firearm was manufactured? Thank you for Any help!

gunluver
June 12, 2011, 12:45 PM
thank you Layton

laytonj1
June 12, 2011, 02:56 PM
SN 802JXX
1971/72.
Model 37 Airweight, no dash, and square butt. The serial number is 651576
SN's ran from 295000 in 1962 to 786544 in 1969 so 67/68 time range...

Jim

Stingray
June 12, 2011, 04:46 PM
I was curious the date of my S&W 15 .38. The numbers on the yoke do not make any sense so I don't know the 15-? model number. The serial number is K 2959XX. Thanks! :D

David

laytonj1
June 12, 2011, 06:52 PM
The serial number is K 2959XX
The serial number dates it to 1957, which is right about the time they starting stamping model numbers.
If no model number it's a Combat Masterpiece. If it has model 15 stamped it would be a 15 no dash, with -1 starting in 1959.

Jim

Dave Anderson
June 12, 2011, 06:55 PM
I was curious the date of my S&W 15 .38. The numbers on the yoke do not make any sense so I don't know the 15-? model number. The serial number is K 2959XX. Thanks!

David


My reference indicates it was made in 1957. The serial number range in 1957 was from K288989 to K317822.

It was in 1957 that S&W began stamping model numbers on their revolvers. Generally this started in mid-year but with some minor differences in the exact date depending on model. Revolvers made in 1957 may or may not have model numbers stamped depending on the month/day on which they were made.

I'm not sure what you mean about the yoke numbers not making sense. Those numbers could also be parts inventory numbers used during the assembly process. I'd be interested to know if your revolver is actually stamped Model 15, as it would help to pinpoint at what serial number the model stamping commenced.

Edit to add, this was typed and sent before I saw laytonj1 had already replied.

MalinoisFan
June 12, 2011, 07:03 PM
Thanks Jim - much appreciated!

Stingray
June 12, 2011, 09:43 PM
Thanks for the reply guys. The numbers in the yoke area were this...

91014 was stamped on both the yoke and the frame that the yoke faces when the cylinder is closed (hope that makes sense).

Then on just the frame side of the yoke was also a Z or a 7 by itself (soft stamp, hard to tell which) above the 91014. And an 8 below the 91014.

There was no 15-X anywhere.

So I am assuming then it's an early non-model stamped 1957. Thanks for the help! :cool:

BTW, this S&W looks like it has hardly ever been shot, no visible wear at all.

Dave Anderson
June 12, 2011, 10:17 PM
There was no 15-X anywhere.

So I am assuming then it's an early non-model stamped 1957. Thanks for the help!

BTW, this S&W looks like it has hardly ever been shot, no visible wear at all.

S&W called it the "Combat Masterpiece" model at the factory and in ads, though you won't find the name stamped on the revolver.

There's really no difference in quality (which is very high) between this one and one manufactured later in 1957 and stamped Model 15. Other than the model stamping there were no changes made. It was only in later years S&W began making engineering changes (such as eliminating the top sideplate screw) which were designated by dashes and numbers after the model number.

By whatever name, and whether blue steel or stainless, the Combat Masterpiece is a wonderful revolver, arguably the best .38 Spl. revolver ever made. In the condition you describe yours definitely would be of interest to S&W collectors.

xleo
June 13, 2011, 11:52 PM
Laytonj1...thanks for the yob on the smith m38
xleo

Air6
June 14, 2011, 10:15 PM
Blew the dust off pop's .38spl Model 10, 3-screw w/5-inch barrel s/n C459xxx. Curious about date range, looks like maybe '57 to '58? Gun is in unbelievable shape. Great piece.
Thanks!

drewsy64
June 15, 2011, 02:55 PM
First post! Thanks for the great site, I've been lurking and picking up valuable info from the experts!

I was recently given a nickel model 36 by my mother in law. It was her mothers and she said she had no use for it, thus giving it to me. I'm just curious as to it's DOB and my research once again led me here.

The serial #is J154xxx. It's in immaculate condition, and I don't want to use it for CCW if it has value as a collectors piece (wouldn't want to ruin or tarnish it's condition).

Any input on this from the pros?

laytonj1
June 15, 2011, 06:07 PM
s/n C459xxx
You're close. 1960.
SN range for 1960 ran from C429741 thru C474148.
J154xxx
1973.
In minty condition, it's about a $450 gun.

Jim

MiltonD
June 17, 2011, 12:28 AM
I've had a S&W revolver for several years that was purchased thru an estate sale. It has all of the characteristics of a S&W Model 40. Grip safety, internal hammer, all steel, blued, short barrel. I'm trying to figure out the model number and production date. The model is not identified on the yoke. The number 5069 appears on the yoke and crane. The serial number 1688 apppears on the butt and on the cyinder face. Smith and Wesson is stamped on the left side of the barrel and 38 S&W SPL is stamped on the right side of the barrel. S&W Logo on left rear of frame, and on the right side (forward), Made in USA, Marcas Registradas, Smith and Wesson, Springfield, Mass. Barrel is one and seven eights inches, it has a 5 charge hole cylinder, a round butt, smooth wood grips with S&W logo on each side. I'd appreciate any feedback on model # and production date. I've assumed that +P ammo is not appropriate for this revolver--is this correct?

Thanks in advance, MiltonD

laytonj1
June 17, 2011, 02:56 PM
The serial number 1688 apppears on the butt and on the cyinder faceIt's a Centennial (pre model 40). Serial numbers ran from 1 in 1952 to 30160 in 1971.
The early SN and lack of a model number stamping dates it to pre 1958. If it has 4 side plate screws (the 4th one located at the very top of the sideplate) then it's pre 1956.

Generally, you can shoot +P out of the all steel J frames.
That said, S&W does advise against it in pre 1958 guns.
For purposes of self defense carry, I can't see a problem with +P loads in it.

Jim

Air6
June 17, 2011, 03:16 PM
You're close. 1960.
SN range for 1960 ran from C429741 thru C474148.

Thank you sir...any idea on value? Gun still has about 85 - 90% of bluing. Handle is in great shape and it is mechanically sound.

laytonj1
June 17, 2011, 03:21 PM
any idea on value
About $350, give or take.

Jim

lts70
June 17, 2011, 04:15 PM
I have inherited my grandpa's S&W 38 Special. I was told it was his revolver when he was in the ROTC while going to college at Idaho University in the late 30’s.

It has a long barrel 6-7ish” and a small black handle. On the side of the barrel it has “38 S&W Special U.S. Service CTG’s” on the top of the barrel it has “Smith and Wesson Springfield Mass. USA Pat’d April 9.89 march 27.94 May21.95 July19.96 Dec22.96 Oct 4.98 Oct8.01 Dec 17.01” On the bottom of the handle it is stamped 316xx. Can anyone tell me specifically what year it is from? Or any information on what I have here?

The cylinder comes out but I don’t think it is suppose to. I believe one of the screws that goes through the frame is suppose to have a longer end that rests in the cylinder pin grove but has been sheared off. Can anyone point me to a site where I can buy a new one?

It isnt going anywhere but I was courious how much it could be worth?

Looks like this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/50ft.jpg

bipe215
June 17, 2011, 06:56 PM
Model 36(no dash) Chiefs Special 546XXX with a stamped 'R' and what looks like an arrow pointing to a 'J'. Thanks in advance.

SG

irishracer
June 17, 2011, 09:01 PM
I'm a newbie so forgive me if I have posted incorrectly.

I was interested in the year of manufacture of my

32 (short) cal Smith & Wesson Lemon Squeezer,
manufactured Springfield, lMass

serial num on butt: 2041xx

thank you for any informaiton

laytonj1
June 18, 2011, 09:18 PM
“38 S&W Special U.S. Service CTG’s” on the top of the barrel it has “Smith and Wesson Springfield Mass. USA Pat’d April 9.89 march 27.94 May21.95 July19.96 Dec22.96 Oct 4.98 Oct8.01 Dec 17.01” On the bottom of the handle it is stamped 316xx.
.38 Military & Police 2nd Model (Model of 1902). Serial numbers ran from 20976 in 1902 to 33803 in 1903.

A gunsmith should be able to find/make a new screw for it.
Chiefs Special 546XXX with a stamped 'R' and what looks like an arrow pointing to a 'J'.
I'm not sure I follow, is the J part of the serial number or is it in a different location?
Serial numbers ran from 295000 in 1962 to 786544 in 1969.
If the J is a prefix to the serial number then it would fall around 1977.
If the "R" and "J" are in some other location then they were likely stamped by a previous owner/agency/etc.

32 (short) cal Smith & Wesson Lemon Squeezer,
manufactured Springfield, lMass

serial num on butt: 2041xx
.32 Safety Hammerless 3rd Model. Serial numbers ran from 170000 in 1909 to 242981 in 1937. The book does not narrow the date down any closer.

Jim

irishracer
June 18, 2011, 10:25 PM
"32 Safety Hammerless 3rd Model. Serial numbers ran from 170000 in 1909 to 242981 in 1937. The book does not narrow the date down any closer."

Jim

thank you very much Jim, I was guessng somewhere around 1920ish. The gun belonged to my great grandmother who was born in 1872. She died in 1953. I tried to shoot the gun when i was a child but was not strong enough to "squeeze". I inherited the gun some years ago and got it out yesterday to shoot it, thinking for some reason it was a .22. imagine my surprise! anyway, gun last used by my grandmother to shoot a snake in the early 1980s - in good but well used condition.

thanks again
leigh

lts70
June 19, 2011, 09:22 PM
So is it more than likely a 1903 production year? How much could it be worth? Here are some pictures of the gun and holster. It looks like my grandpa couldn't afford the correct size holster.

lts70
June 19, 2011, 09:28 PM
m0re of the holster fit.

Yoda4u
June 20, 2011, 04:59 PM
I believe this gun is a smith and wesson model 3 frontier double action...this is only my best guess...please see the pictures attached.

Im A NEWBEE here, so please forgive me if im in wrong place. I think I have a Smith and Wesson model 3 double action gun. My mother who passed away had it in a bag in a box that said, " This was my fathers Gun. He got it when I was 6 years old." Since my mother was born in 1933, I assume it was purchased in 1939 either new or used. Im coming to the conclussion it was definitly used from the dates on it, but I could be wrong.

The serial number on the handle shows 5488 and the same number shows on the inside of the gun under the latch. The handles seem to be made of hard rubber. Ive found similiar guns on line, but cant seem to find an exact match, which is driving me nuts. IT seems to work with the trigger button or the pull back trigger to fire, thus I assume it double action. The guns ive found online are either shorter on the barrel or have a different looking finger area. There are 2 lines on top of the barrel that read as best as I can see....

line #1 Smith & Wesson Spingfield MASS U.S.A PAt'D Jan 17 & 24 65
The 2nd line I have trouble seeing at end, but I think it says,
Line #2... July 11 65 Aug 24 69 July 25 71 Dec 2 70 May 11 & 25 1880

I would appreciate any infomation you could give me on this gun. Date made, Type of gun, etc. Ty in advance.

Charles

laytonj1
June 20, 2011, 05:03 PM
So is it more than likely a 1903 production year? How much could it be worth?
Yeah, possible, likely.
2006 values range from $250 in good to $650 in excellent. Prices have gone up since.

Jim

laytonj1
June 20, 2011, 05:17 PM
Information on a revolver SW model 3 (I think)
From the pictures it appears to be a .38 Double Action 2nd Model. It's hard to make out the serial number but it falls within that models range.
Serial numbers ran from 4001 in 1880 to 119000 in 1884.

Jim

ibewlu725
June 20, 2011, 09:17 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson revolver with a 4 inch barrel. I'm having trouble finding out what model it is and would like to know the round-a-bout year it was made. It says ?8-2 serial #K757xxx. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help me out. Thanks

Yoda4u
June 20, 2011, 11:46 PM
JIm , Can you let me know how you come to the conclussion that it is a .38?
I seem to find tons of pics that are super close, but none exact. Drivign me a little nutty.

Charles

MiltonD
June 21, 2011, 11:05 AM
I'm trying to get an approximate value on a S&W Centennial Model (pre-model 40) in 38 SPL. Manufactured between 1952 and 1957. It has 4 screws on the side plate which I'm told means it was manufactured prior to 1956. The serial number is 1688, so it's probably an early model of the 30160 Centennials made. It has the original safety lever lock down pin. The revolver is in good condition with no pitting and very little wear showing. The only wear being a little bluing wear on the end of the barrell.

Does anyone have a ball park figure as to what this revolver is worth. I'm curious because if it is worth much more that the $175 I paid for it I won't be making any changes to it.

Thanks for any help I might get, Skip

Dave Anderson
June 21, 2011, 03:51 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson revolver with a 4 inch barrel. I'm having trouble finding out what model it is and would like to know the round-a-bout year it was made. It says ?8-2 serial #K757xxx. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help me out. Thanks

The s/n indicates 1967 production. It would help to know the caliber and model number. If it is caliber .22 LR it would be the model 18.

laytonj1
June 21, 2011, 05:42 PM
I'm curious because if it is worth much more that the $175 I paid for it
4 screw with little wear, it's worth at least double to maybe triple that.
Can you let me know how you come to the conclussion that it is a .38?
Well, because at first glance I thought it was a 5 shot and too big for a .32.....
However.... after enlarging and looking much closer at the 1st picture I can see it's a 6 shot and therefore a large frame.
So, there's two possibilities.
1.) It's a .44 Double Action First Model chambered in .44 Russian. SN's ran from 1 in 1881 to 54668 in 1913. For your 4 digit SN the Cylinder length will be 1 and 7/16.

2.) It's a .44 Double Action Frontier chambered in 44-40 Winchester. SN's ran from 1 in 1886 to 15340 in 1913. Cylinder length will be 1 and 9/16 to accommodate the longer cartridge.

Jim

Yoda4u
June 21, 2011, 09:39 PM
as quoted by JIM.

"So, there's two possibilities.
1.) It's a .44 Double Action First Model chambered in .44 Russian. SN's ran from 1 in 1881 to 54668 in 1913. For your 4 digit SN the Cylinder length will be 1 and 7/16.

2.) It's a .44 Double Action Frontier chambered in 44-40 Winchester. SN's ran from 1 in 1886 to 15340 in 1913. Cylinder length will be 1 and 9/16 to accommodate the longer cartridge."

Thanks for the Help JIM. Is there anything I can give you to deterimine which of these 2 it is? I notice the site point is different then normal too. I posted a few more pics too. The barrel is 6 inches in length. I also tried to show a pic of the serial number which was inside the gun, which matched the outside handle of gun, but I dont think it was very clear. In person, it shows 5488. I also measured the Cyliner length and I believe it to be 1 and 9/16. One mark past 1.5 inches. Hope Im correct.

Thanks again for the support.

Does this gun have any significant value? Should I have it cleaned up?

Charles

cbhayes
June 22, 2011, 07:49 AM
I inherited a Smith and Wesson .38 S&W 5 shot nickel plated revolver with a four inch barrel. It has the following markings:
1.Top of barrel: Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA
Patented Feb 6 '06 Sept 14 09 Dec 29 '14
2. Left side of barrel: Smith & Wesson
3. Right side of barrel: REGULATION POLICE
4. Left side of frame under cylinder release: Smith and Wesson Trademark
5. Number on frame under cylinder support (cylinder open): 37610
6. Number on frame on butt toward the trigger guard 20359
If anyone can give me the manufacture date on this revolver, I would sure appreciate it.
Many thanks
C

laytonj1
June 22, 2011, 01:10 PM
One mark past 1.5 inches. Hope Im correct.
That would be 1 and 9/16 which would make it the Frontier model.
Value as of 2006 was $285 in "poor" to $7000 in "as new".
Yours looks to be closer to "poor".

One thought, this info is based on a picture of a very rough looking gun compared to a picture and brief discription in a book. So, I hope I'm correct..
I inherited a Smith and Wesson .38 S&W 5 shot nickel plated revolver with a four inch barrel. It has the following markings:
3. Right side of barrel: REGULATION POLICE
6. Number on frame on butt toward the trigger guard 20359
That would be the serial number. They ran from 1 in 1917 to 54474 in 1940 (book doesn't narrow down any further).
Note the chambering is .38 S&W, not to be confused with the more common .38 Special.

Jim

Yoda4u
June 22, 2011, 07:32 PM
Just want to Thank Jim for help in identifing my .44 frontier. Any suggestions on best way to restore the gun properly? I also have a very worn side arm hoster it belongs to.


Charles

cbhayes
June 23, 2011, 11:13 AM
Jim, Thank you so much for your help in finding the manufacture date on my Smith & Wesson .38 S&W.
Charlie

gun4fun
June 23, 2011, 07:32 PM
just picked up a 19-5, 4 inch serial number AJT 10XX gonna try to find some oem grips but want some in the era of the guns birth date im no rush got it for 320 bucks so i can spend a few bucks on grips and not feel bad guns in great shape gotta love those little old ladys over herd her in the gun shop trying to sell it and just asked her what she wanted soon as i saw it i new it was mine :) thanks

huntinaz
June 23, 2011, 08:47 PM
Got a new shooter today:)

Smith model 686-6 plus (gotta love that 7th shot!)
Serial# CHB04XX
Thanks in advance.

majordon
June 23, 2011, 10:24 PM
Can anyone tell me the year of mfg of a S&W Model 15-2 with serial number K8217XX?

Thanks for any help.

Axe168
June 24, 2011, 12:13 PM
Hello, I'm looking for some serial# help to. I have inherited a S&W 38/44 Heavy Duty Serial # 38XXX

Its a 5 inch barrel, with Nickel Finish

jsmurphyphone
June 24, 2011, 03:16 PM
Sorry for being such a nubie but I know very little about Smith's. I'm looking at a .38 lemon squeezer that I need to know some info on. It has 2530xx for a serial number. I am trying to find out a general idea as to the date of manufacture/shipping date, production numbers, desirability and value ranges. Basically, I need opinions and information.

Thanks
Jeff

laytonj1
June 24, 2011, 09:06 PM
19-5, 4 inch serial number AJT 10XX
1986.
Standard grips would be either target stocks or service magnas.

Smith model 686-6 plus (gotta love that 7th shot!)
Serial# CHB04XX
2003.

S&W Model 15-2 with serial number K8217XX
1968. SN's ran from K779163 to K848781 that year.

S&W 38/44 Heavy Duty Serial # 38XXX
SN's ran from 36000 in 1931 to 38375 in 1932 to 41200 in 1933.

.38 lemon squeezer that I need to know some info on. It has 2530xx for a serial number.
.38 Safety Hammerless 5th Model.
SN's for the 5th Model ran from 220000 in 1907 to 261493 in 1940. Book does not narrow it down any further. Shipping date would require a letter from S&W (currently $50).
First Model started at SN 1 with last of the 5th Models ending at SN 261493.
Value depends on condition and can range from ~$250 in good to $500+ in excellent (2006 values).

Jim

netsecsys
June 25, 2011, 09:06 PM
Greetings! My apologies for jumping on the "Me Too" bandwagon but I'm really curious..just got my first ever wheel guns (I had a talk with my 1911 and let her know we might need to spend a little time apart...).

Model 66-1 2 1/2" - 77K8XXX
(also has a bunch of marks on the frame under the grips: 3, X, C7437 on one side and: C10, C7, S, B22, 75294 on the other. Any idea what they mean?)

Model 66 no-dash 4" - 4k93XXX
(C17,C3,C4,C6,4, x2625 on one side and: Y, U, a Z inside a circle on the other under grips)

Side note: the 66's action is incredibly smooth and it feels like it has received a very good trigger job.

Any help with the age and number's meanings would be greatly appreciated. I have to wait until Tuesday to shoot them as my wife wants to try them out as well ;)



Thanks!

Dave Anderson
June 27, 2011, 04:39 PM
Model 66-1 2 1/2" - 77K8XXX

Made in 1979

Model 66 no-dash 4" - 4k93XXX

Made in 1974

The other numbers are inventory parts and assembly numbers

Side note: the 66's action is incredibly smooth and it feels like it has received a very good trigger job

The model 66 may well have been tuned up by a commercial pistolsmith or (if it is a police trade-in) by an S&W-trained armorer. Many police agencies sent their armorers to the S&W factory for training courses. All these armorers were at least competent, and some (though they didn't do commercial work and are probably long since retired) were really good.

wombathunter
June 27, 2011, 06:14 PM
s&w 5906
S#VCZ5xxx
First gun ever. Will buy the book i promise. Already hooked on them. Already want an older revolver or the 6906. Thanks

Oxkey511
June 27, 2011, 07:42 PM
Just found your great forums! I understand that Smith & Wesson has a reference available for determining the date a revolver was manufactured, but since I only have the one S&M .38 that I inherited, I was hoping one of you Senior Members could help me date it. It's a Model 36 .38 special with the serial number 1J21xx. The barrel is less than 2". I read all the previous posts in this thread and didn't see any serial numbers like this. Thanks for any help you can provide.

netsecsys
June 27, 2011, 11:40 PM
Dave, Thanks for the info!

Dave Anderson
June 28, 2011, 03:25 PM
It's a Model 36 .38 special with the serial number 1J21xx.

S&W began using the 1J prefix in 1970. Since yours is a relatively low number I expect it was made in 1970.

micksis86
June 28, 2011, 05:46 PM
Hi there, looking for the age of a model 16 serial number BFS34xx.
Also wondering if this is chambered for 32 s&w long or 32 h&r magnum?
Thanks

Oxkey511
June 28, 2011, 11:15 PM
Dave Anderson, thank you for the date! From family comments, I had thought it was early '70's or late '60's. Appreciate the quick response. David

Carson1023
June 29, 2011, 03:24 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson Model 18. Can anyone help me determine the age and value of this firearm? Serial Number- 161950

71645

71647

Dave Anderson
June 29, 2011, 03:51 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson Model 18. Can anyone help me determine the age and value of this firearm? Serial Number- 161950

Made in 1952, meaning it is a Combat Masterpiece .22 model. S&W did not begin to use model numbers until 1957 at which time this model was assigned number 18.

Incidentally even though the letter "K" is offset a bit from the numbers it helps with identification to use it as part of the serial number, i.e. K161950.

To wombathunter and micksis86, I'm not ignoring you but as it happens the reference book I have with me at present doesn't have the three letter/four numeric serial numbers. You'll have to wait for laytonj1, who is the real expert on this thread, to check in.

Carson1023
June 29, 2011, 04:31 PM
@ Dave Anderson. Thank you very much for the information, it is much appreciated.I have been struggling on finding the age on my own for a while now... Any idea what the value may be?

majordon
June 29, 2011, 05:06 PM
Can anyone tell me the year of mfg of a S&W Model 15-1 with serial number
K4434XX?

Thanks for any help.

Dave Anderson
June 29, 2011, 05:37 PM
Can anyone tell me the year of mfg of a S&W Model 15-1 with serial number
K4434XX?

1961

Stumpp2k7
July 1, 2011, 10:32 AM
can i get some info on this S&W 38 special Serial # V43XXX

Dave Anderson
July 1, 2011, 01:42 PM
an i get some info on this S&W 38 special Serial # V43XXX

This is a Military & Police model revolver made during WW II. The V (for Victory) prefix was introduced April 24, 1942 when the previous serial number range reached 999999.

Between April 24, 1942 and August 27, 1945 S&W made 811,119 Victory models. Yours was made fairly early in the series, most likely around mid-1942.

Revolvers made for Britain and other Commonwealth nations (e.g. India) were chambered for .38 S&W. Those for U.S. use were chambered for the .38 Special cartridge. Many were issued to security personnel guarding plants manufacturing war material.

Your revolver has the older style hammer block system. The design depended on spring pressure to return the hammer block to position. It was found that excessive dirt or grease could keep the hammer block from returning, so S&W introduced a new more positive system at s/n V769000. These are stamped with the prefix VS (occasionally SV), the "S" indicating the new safety system.

If older pistols such as yours are to be fired, the hammer block should first be checked for proper function. Personally even then I'd keep an empty chamber under the hammer.

Victory models have become quite collectible. Since a great many were made they aren't hard to find, but they can be hard to find in really good condition, say with 95% original finish.

Though they lacked the high polish and blued finish of commercial revolvers these were very well made. S&W quality did not deteriorate during the war years. The amazing number produced is just another example of the staggering production achievements of American industry during the war years.

flyguy958
July 1, 2011, 08:29 PM
I'd like to know the birth year of a new purchase. Ballpark on value if you care to gander.
S&W 65-3, Serial AFU4***. 3", factory grips, 96%. Thanks!

Broke Hoss
July 2, 2011, 08:11 PM
My future daughter-in-law showed me a Smith & Wesson, Mdl 36-1, Ser# J474xxx, round butt It was given to her by her grandmother. With my limited knowledge I guessed it was from the mid to late 60's. Very clean looking gun. Could you help me out with a more precise year of manufacture?

I appreciate the help.

grousebuster
July 2, 2011, 09:58 PM
I don't own the book either and just joined the group.Would anyone care to date my 3 Smiths for me?Thanks. K-38 s/n6606xx;22/32 kit gun (34-1) s/nM92xx;mdl19,s/nk9003xx I shoot all 3 of these regularly and throughly enjoy the quality that Smith and Wesson has put into these hanguns.Seems like the esthetics seen in the earlier firearms are often missing with current manufacture.Maybe I'm just getting old.Thanks for the help. Tom

Dave Anderson
July 3, 2011, 10:38 AM
My future daughter-in-law showed me a Smith & Wesson, Mdl 36-1, Ser# J474xxx,

The reference book I have at hand (A History of Smith & Wesson by Roy Jinks) indicates 1976.

K-38 s/n6606xx;

1966

22/32 kit gun (34-1) s/nM92xx

The M prefix was introduced October 1968. The Kit Guns were steady but not huge selling models. This example was most likely made in 1969.

mdl19,s/nk9003xx

1969

iccojo
July 4, 2011, 03:57 PM
Can anyone tell me what year my 32 pistol was made? Serial #164xxx

laytonj1
July 4, 2011, 04:30 PM
s&w 5906
S#VCZ5xxx
The book has incomplete data for Smith's semi autos after 1993.
That said, The "V" prefix started in 1994 and 5906's were made from 1989 to 1999. So, somewhere around 1994-99.
S&W's customer service can narrow the date down over the phone for free.

model 16 serial number BFS34xx.
Also wondering if this is chambered for 32 s&w long or 32 h&r magnum?
1990/91.
Chambering would be 32 H&R magnum but it will also fire the 32 S&W long.

S&W 65-3, Serial AFU4***. 3", factory grips, 96%
Late 1984.
Around $350 to $400 for a minty 65. Although there is likely a small premium for the 3" barrel.

Model #4 Serial #164xxx
Serial numbers ran from 43406 in 1883 to 282999 in 1909

Jim

flyguy958
July 4, 2011, 08:24 PM
Thanks!

iccojo
July 5, 2011, 07:51 AM
Thank You for your help, any idea what it would be worth?

jpzxcv
July 5, 2011, 01:24 PM
Hi, a friend's grandfather left him a S&W with a serial 29xxx, it seems to have been used during the spanish civil war 1936-1939, any idea what year is it from and how much could it be sold for? Thanks¡

laytonj1
July 5, 2011, 07:48 PM
Model #4 32
Thank You for your help, any idea what it would be worth?
2006 pricing shows $150 in good to $400 in excellent.
S&W with a serial 29xxx
S&W reused the same serial numbers on numerous models of guns. So, I need more info.
What caliber? How many rounds does it hold? Is it an older break-top action (barrel tips down to reload) or a modern swing out cylinder? Did you take the serial number from the underside of the frames grip butt?
Value on older guns depends heavily on condition... pictures help allot.

Jim

D Thomson
July 8, 2011, 03:44 AM
Can you all help me with the same question, S&W 38 SPL ser. # V137XXX ? Thanks

laytonj1
July 8, 2011, 06:40 PM
S&W 38 SPL ser. # V137XXX ?
It's a Victory model (WWII) .38 Military & Police.
Serial numbers ran from V1 in 1942 to V769000 in 1944.

See Dave Anderson's post on previous page (post #4339) for more info.

Jim

grousebuster
July 9, 2011, 08:08 PM
Dave thank you for the DOB on these 3 Smiths.

luis7
July 11, 2011, 02:31 AM
Hi. Greetings from España.
I have a S&W 686-4 Practical Champion in 6".
Serial number CAE 0816
How old is it?
Thanks at all.

laytonj1
July 11, 2011, 06:09 PM
Serial number CAE 0816
How old is it?
1995.

And greetings from the USA,
Jim

sjb66coronet
July 13, 2011, 11:25 AM
serial nums.are...BPE59XX and BND53XX,thanks in advance.

laytonj1
July 13, 2011, 06:22 PM
serial nums.are...BPE59XX and BND53XX
BND = early 1993
BPE = late 1993

Jim

sjb66coronet
July 13, 2011, 07:37 PM
Thanks very much Jim.

luis7
July 14, 2011, 06:58 AM
THANKS TO laytonj1

Igor77
July 16, 2011, 11:37 PM
Hi !I'm new guy and got s&w 38 special mod 60 , the ser# R 306***, an!y guess, Thank you

laytonj1
July 17, 2011, 10:35 AM
ser# R 306***
1982.
Serial numbers ran from R300801 to R329000 that year.

Jim

Igor77
July 17, 2011, 10:52 AM
Thank-you very much.

slammedsi
July 17, 2011, 11:01 PM
Ive got what i think is a older Smith Mod 60 Chief Special In stainless. Would love to know the date made If anyone is will to help out.

R1122XX

Lokpyrite
July 18, 2011, 03:34 AM
Ok, I'll join in the fun :) I just picked up a Model 15 no dash, it shows a lot of holster wear around the muzzle and the cylinder where it would rest while carried but where the leather wouldn't touch, the bluing is nice. the SN is 378xxx I wouldn't mind a birth date and rough value. Also if anyone has a site where I could see how to grade wear I'd appreciate it.

Dave Anderson
July 19, 2011, 11:36 AM
Ive got what i think is a older Smith Mod 60 Chief Special In stainless. Would love to know the date made If anyone is will to help out.

R1122XX

Dates to the 1974-1977 era, most likely made in 1974

Model 15 no dash, it shows a lot of holster wear around the muzzle and the cylinder where it would rest while carried but where the leather wouldn't touch, the bluing is nice. the SN is 378xxx

Dates to 1959. There should be a letter K prefix, separated a bit from the numbers. To get a current value estimate I've found it useful to search web sites such as Gunbroker and GunsAmerica, just remember asking price isn't always the selling price.

The Blue Book of Gun Values by Stephen Fjestad has a useful guide to estimating condition based on percent of original remaining finish. It has good color photos of various firearms along with the author's estimate of condition.

Vartarg
July 19, 2011, 06:38 PM
Just acquired a NIB Model 19.....I think it's a 19-7, s/n BRH04xx

Thanks,

George

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb419/Vartarg/fb425570.jpg

Jorlclar
July 19, 2011, 10:06 PM
I recently received my late grandfathers S&W revolver. The barrel says smmith and wesson special 38 ctg. The serial starts with 3k22 any help will be greatly appreciated.

redanhauser
July 20, 2011, 10:51 AM
We have a S&W 38 snub nose with a serial number that looks like 12102.
I'd like to find out how old this firearm is. Can anyone help. Thnx.

James K
July 20, 2011, 10:58 AM
Sorry, but we will need pictures and/or much more information in order to be of help.

Jim

laytonj1
July 20, 2011, 05:23 PM
Just acquired a NIB Model 19.....I think it's a 19-7, s/n BRH04xx1994.
The model number is stamped on the frame just forward of the cylinder. Open the cylinder to see it.

The serial starts with 3k22
1971.
The "K" identifies it as a adjustable sighted k frame. 38 means it's either a model 15 (4" or less barrel) or model 14 (6" or longer barrel).

We have a S&W 38 snub nose with a serial number that looks like 12102
5 shot or 6? Is the chambering on the side of the barrel .38 Special (spl) or just .38 S&W?
Take the serial number from the underside of the frames grip butt, include any letter prefixes. Depending on grips, you may have to remove them to see it.

Jim

See pic:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/laytonj1/swstandard.jpg

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
July 21, 2011, 10:33 AM
Can you guys help me identify this...

serial # S89xxx, 4" barrel, fixed sights, square butt, 38 ctg. The guy in the shop said it was built on a 44 frame.

Thanks
Mike

redanhauser
July 21, 2011, 12:36 PM
The piece is a 5 shot snub nose. the serial number on the butt is 12102.

laytonj1
July 21, 2011, 05:37 PM
serial # S89xxx, 4" barrel, fixed sights, square butt, 38 ctg. The guy in the shop said it was built on a 44 frame.
.38/44 Heavy Duty Model of 1950 (pre model 20).
It's the "N" frame (44) chambered for the 38 Special. Many, many years ago there were very hot 38 loads designed specifically for those guns.
Serial numbers ran from S86000 in 1952 to S94999 in 1953.

The piece is a 5 shot snub nose. the serial number on the butt is 12102.

It's one of the variations of the .38 Chiefs Special and was made in 1952.
Serial numbers ran from 7369 to 21342 that year.


Jim

Wade169
July 21, 2011, 08:28 PM
Need history on a model #57 serial #490692..Thanks in advance for any help on the history of this gun....

Also, how do a add a photo in the message?

laytonj1
July 22, 2011, 04:38 PM
serial Number n490692
1978.
Yours appears to be modified a bit.

Jim

schnarkle
July 22, 2011, 07:34 PM
.44 Magnum

serial: AFJ1345
Model 29-3

?
thanks for any help

excelerater
July 23, 2011, 03:28 PM
357 mag
#6K30xxx
19-3

kingwc
July 24, 2011, 04:02 AM
I just picked up a really nice S&W model 36 no dash in nickel for $325 OTD and was curious on the build date. Ser# ANR20XX

900saabman
July 24, 2011, 05:22 AM
I want to buy a S&W .22 but the seller do not know the type of the gun
s/n TBZ 13XX

thanks

kyle01
July 24, 2011, 09:45 AM
i have an a829xxx model 639 i am thankful fo any help

laytonj1
July 24, 2011, 01:31 PM
serial: AFJ1345
Model 29-3
1984.

357 mag
#6K30xxx
1974.

Ser# ANR20XX
1986/87.

I want to buy a S&W .22 but the seller do not know the type of the gun
s/n TBZ 13XX
The serial number dates it to 1988 and a semi auto but does not identify the model of gun.
S&W customer service might be able to give you that information from the serial number over the phone.
Otherwise, the current owner should be able the look at the model number stamped on the side of the frame.

a829xxx model 639
1983.

Jim

kingwc
July 24, 2011, 02:16 PM
Laytonj1,

Thanks for the help.

nikostratos
July 24, 2011, 06:32 PM
I have a 32 Winchester CTG serial # 14707. That's about all I know of it. Just inherited it and I am struggling to find information about it. Any help? thanks!

Dave Anderson
July 24, 2011, 10:24 PM
I have a 32 Winchester CTG serial # 14707. That's about all I know of it. Just inherited it and I am struggling to find information about it. Any help? thanks!

Since it is a .32 Winchester (also known as .32-20 Winchester) it is most likely a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model 1902, Second Model, First Change. Serial number range for this model is 9812 to 18125, with 8,313 revolvers manufactured. Made from 1903-1905.

Built on the S&W K-frame, most often found with fixed sights (rear sight is a groove in the topstrap). Certainly a collectible revolver, value varies widely depending on condition and features. Examples with factory original adjustable target sights will bring a substantial premium.

juswonderin
July 25, 2011, 04:49 PM
I have a new in box S&W Model 28-2 serial N5224xx. It must be what, 30+ years old by now? Bought for personal protection but I had an little .380 and never took this one out. What's the real date of mfg. and what's it worth these days?
Thanks for the help!

Dragline45
July 25, 2011, 07:07 PM
smith wesson model 60 AEP6xxx

May pick this up tommorow, I would appreciate if someone could tell me the year it was manufactured, thanks

laytonj1
July 25, 2011, 07:22 PM
S&W Model 28-2 serial N5224xx
Good guess. Serial numbers ran from N500000 in 1979 to N599999 in 1980.
A true unfired "new in box" would go for at least $650 retail.

model 60 AEP6xxx
1984.

Jim

Hookem2244
July 26, 2011, 12:18 PM
Model 25-2. SN#N712167

DAnjet500
July 26, 2011, 02:21 PM
Here's the data on my 29-2. What year is it? Thanks.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc240/DansCobra/Guns/SW006.jpg

Dragline45
July 26, 2011, 02:52 PM
So instead of the model 60 I was going to pick up I found a 640, would appreciate if someone would do a quick look up for me, thanks

BKB2XXX

laytonj1
July 26, 2011, 05:24 PM
Model 25-2. SN#N712167
1980.

Here's the data on my 29-2. What year is it?
N750628 is also 1980.

BKB2XXX
1991/92.

Jim

Hookem2244
July 26, 2011, 09:08 PM
Thanks laytonj

Panja
July 26, 2011, 10:29 PM
I'd like to know some more information about this revolver:

http://i.imgur.com/bINKFh.jpg

It could use a good cleaning up

Serial #: 23,XXX
44 Special CTG

Thank you! =)

Dave Anderson
July 27, 2011, 12:43 PM
Serial #: 23,XXX
44 Special CTG

Appears to be a .44 Hand Ejector Second Model. Introduced in 1915 at s/n 15376, built on the N-frame, without the encased ejector rod and third lock features of the First Model (the famed Triple Lock).

Remained in production until 1940, though manufacture of this model was temporarily suspended (from Oct 22, 1917 to Dec 6, 1920) as a result of changeovers in production to meet wartime demand, and after the war, return to commercial production.

Most likely made in the early-mid 1920s, sorry I can't provide an exact year. Total production of this model was 17,510 revolvers. This example is the most commonly seen model: .44 Special with 6 1/2" barrel, fixed sights, blue finish and lanyard loop.

Certainly it is of interest to collectors though I won't take a guess as to value. Examples of this model chambered for other cartridges (.38-40, .44-40, or .45 Colt), or those with different barrel lengths, nickel finish, and target models with adjustable sights, carry value premiums to collectors.

JimPage
July 28, 2011, 08:31 AM
S&W K22 #634xxx Would like to know dates. Thanks

...and for sale, :)

Dave Anderson
July 28, 2011, 09:58 AM
S&W K22 #634xxx Would like to know dates. Thanks

1965

JimPage
July 28, 2011, 01:34 PM
Dave Anderson:

I appreciate your efforts, thank you. Would you mind looking again? I happen to know the original owner died circa 1950. That's an S&W K22 (outdoorsman) 634xxx.

laytonj1
July 28, 2011, 05:32 PM
That's an S&W K22 (outdoorsman) 634xxx.
Serial numbers for the K22 Outdoorsman ran from 632124 in 1931 to 682419 in 1940.

Jim

JimPage
July 28, 2011, 05:39 PM
laytonj1:

Thank you for the input. So I will advertise it as made in the early '30s. :D

Dave Anderson
July 29, 2011, 12:18 AM
JimPage, my apologies for the incorrect information. I assumed you had left off the "K" prefix, as people sometimes do.

I should have known better especially as I have the same model revolver in my collection, mine was most likely made around the mid-1930s. I made a nostalgic video about it, am posting the link here in case you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqywVk-hZsA

whattaconcept
July 29, 2011, 04:46 PM
Greetings;

New to the forum....(by the way, great forum!)

I'm trying to find out the model and year of a breakdown hammer action .38......Serial# 185xxx

A couple pics are posted here... http://newview10.tripod.com

Also...should I leave it in it's original condition, (keep the patina, etc) or should I clean it up? I'm thinking of finding out a value & selling it.

ANY help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

erin13
July 29, 2011, 11:44 PM
When I moved into the 9th ward of New Orleans by my self, a good friend of mine gave me this gun.. I know its vary old, I would love to know how ancient it is. she's a 38 special otg,2988xx and also after combing through a number of these posts, if its safe to use normal rounds in it?

thank you for any and all help!

luis7
July 30, 2011, 02:59 AM
Hi.
I´m Luis.
I have a blue S&W 952-1 in 5". 9MM caliber. Serial number KAZ1650.
How old is it?
Thanks for all.
Greetings from España.

JimPage
July 30, 2011, 07:12 AM
Dave Anderson:

Thank you for the video. Well done. Don't beat yourself up about the mistake. Even I have made one once. Of course that was when I thought I had made a mistake. :D

My specimen has little rust spots (well oiled now). It was left unattended for about 20 years. It's a great shooter. I will dispose of it because I am old, can't see the sights, and no one in my family is an enthusiast. That pistol has the cleanest breaking trigger I have ever felt.

Thank you again for your help.

whattaconcept
July 30, 2011, 02:29 PM
Greetings;

New to the forum....(by the way, great forum!)

I'm trying to find out the model and year of a breakdown hammer action .38......Serial# 1850xx

A couple pics are posted here... http://newview10.tripod.com

Also...should I leave it in it's original condition, (keep the patina, etc) or should I clean it up? I'm thinking of finding out a value & selling it.

ANY help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

laytonj1
July 30, 2011, 05:57 PM
I'm trying to find out the model and year of a breakdown hammer action .38......Serial# 185xxx
It's a .38 Double Action 3rd Model (Top-Break revolver).
Serial numbers ran from 119001 in 1884 to 322700 in 1895.
Leave it original. Value is not high, likely less than $300.

38 special otg,2988xx
I'm going to assume it's a six shot in which case the serial number would make it a .38 Military & Police 4th Change made ~1920.
Use only standard 38 special rounds, no +P.
"otg" is actually ctg which means cartridge.

I have a blue S&W 952-1 in 5". 9MM caliber. Serial number KAZ16502003.
Great gun, I have a 952-2 myself.

Jim

Motownstan
July 30, 2011, 06:26 PM
Greetings,

How about some help with the year on a Model 10-8 4 inch HB #4D017xx ?

Thanks - Stan

ARZMADMAN
July 30, 2011, 06:35 PM
I could use some help also.
Can anyone tell me the approximate age and value of a Smith and Wesson 6 shot revolver, Serial # K 113XXX (someone posted to use an x for the last three numbers)?

I forgot to add that it is a .38 caliber/double action and he says that it looks to be in really good shape.

It belongs to a friend of mine and was his fathers.
Thank you

laytonj1
July 30, 2011, 06:59 PM
Model 10-8 # 4D017xx
1979.
Serial # K 113XXX
It's a K-38. Serial number dates it to 1951.
Value range is ~ $400 to $600 depending on condition. More if it still has the original box, tools, papers, etc.

Jim

ARZMADMAN
July 30, 2011, 10:25 PM
Thanks for your quick reply.
I passed the info on to my friend.

luis7
July 31, 2011, 08:54 AM
Thanks very much.
We have a very accurate pistol but I like blue to inox steel pistol ;).
I shoot with it around 6000- 9mm (lead bullet always) ctg since I bought (new) in 2006.
I love it.
Greetings from ESPAÑA.
Thanks for all, JIM.

Ethanfire
August 2, 2011, 08:39 PM
Hey guys, I'm a newb to the forum. I'd go buy the S&W book, but I've only got one.

I'm trying to figure out the worth of all my guns and make sure my home owners insurance is high enough but I can't even figure out model of this pistol. It's a 357 mag, no model number anywhere on it. SN is D991547 has a couple other markings on the frame under the grips (an L in a triangle and a B in a circle)

Like I said, this is my only S&W and I know nothing about it other than it belonged to my father in law and was given to me when he died. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

laytonj1
August 2, 2011, 09:21 PM
It's a 357 mag, no model number anywhere on it. SN is D991547It's a model 13 made in 1977.
For insurance, go $400.

Jim

Ethanfire
August 2, 2011, 09:43 PM
Awesome... thanks for the info!

4m's
August 4, 2011, 06:13 PM
My Dad passed down a S&W revolver, says that it belonged to his dad, but has no other information on it. It is 6-shot, stainless, says 32 Long CTG on the side of the barrel, and has the numbers 156xxx stamped below the grip, can anyone help with the model and approx date of the gun?

laytonj1
August 4, 2011, 06:24 PM
It is 6-shot, stainless, says 32 Long CTG on the side of the barrel, and has the numbers 156xxx stamped below the grip
It would be a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, 5th Change.
Serial numbers ran from 102501 in 1910 to 263000 in 1917.
The only factory finish offered was blued or nickel.

Jim

4m's
August 4, 2011, 08:26 PM
Thanks Jim, guess that would be nickel and not stainless.

peeps52
August 5, 2011, 09:10 PM
i have a smith and wesson 38 special 5 shot number 1j271does any one know about when this was made thanks

BarkSlayer
August 6, 2011, 10:56 AM
Pre-lock. Serial number CCW60XX. Any input would be greatly appreciated, guys. Thanks.

laytonj1
August 6, 2011, 02:17 PM
38 special 5 shot number 1j271.
1971.
Serial numbers ran from 1J1 in 1971 to 999J99 in 1972.

Serial number CCW60XX
1998.
The 586 was discontinued in 1999 at 586-6.

Jim

Captain Amerika
August 6, 2011, 04:23 PM
my serial number found on the bottom of the grip is 131XXX this gun was given to me it is hammerless with pearl grip handles and what i describe as Half moon trigger i would just like some info about it

BarkSlayer
August 6, 2011, 04:52 PM
Thank you, Jim. It appears that I got one of the last 586s. Bought it today at my LGS - looked like it had never been fired.

peeps52
August 6, 2011, 11:22 PM
thanks for info on my model 36 1j271 38 S&W just trying to pin down a age on it looks like never been fired before .thanks again

laytonj1
August 7, 2011, 05:05 PM
.32 S&W CTG? my serial number found on the bottom of the grip is 131XXX this gun was given to me it is hammerless
.32 Safety Hammerless 2nd Model.
Serial numbers ran from 91418 in 1902 to 170000 in 1909.
It shoots the 32 S&W cartridge which is a shorter version of the 32 S&W Long.

Jim

Xander7
August 7, 2011, 08:02 PM
So I finally made the plunge and got my first revolver. Decided on a S&W 686 with a 6inch barrel. Shoots very well but was interested on it's history.

Serial number is CAC1xxx.

Thanks.

excelerater
August 8, 2011, 05:38 PM
66 no dash grabbed today
9K53xx dates please

laytonj1
August 8, 2011, 07:08 PM
CAC1xxx
1995.
Built on the "L" frame, it's a beefed up version of the "K" frame and designed to handle a diet of full power 357's.

9K53xx
1975.

Jim

icedog88
August 9, 2011, 05:11 PM
Picked up a used 586 #AHZ0xxx. Can anyone date this for me?

laytonj1
August 9, 2011, 05:32 PM
586 #AHZ0xxx
1985/86.

Jim

icedog88
August 9, 2011, 05:38 PM
Thanks Jim! Looks like you're the source! Possible to find out what the #s on the swing gate are? B15 over the number 89322. Thanks!

laytonj1
August 9, 2011, 05:42 PM
Possible to find out what the #s on the swing gate are? B15 over the number 89322
Assembly numbers.

Jim

icedog88
August 9, 2011, 05:47 PM
You da man! Thanks again!

steven.dcramer1
August 10, 2011, 11:21 PM
I wanted to know the DOB of my Smith model 14-3 6" .38 serial num: 18k0588
I would also like to know how much it would be worth. Pristine condition

inthefield
August 11, 2011, 12:35 AM
First time poster so go easy guys. Looking to id a 38 S&W special CTG

serial number D845XXX

edit it has 10-5 stamped behind the cylinder
condition is great
any help on age and value?

Thanks Tom

laytonj1
August 12, 2011, 10:25 PM
model 14-3 6" .38 serial num: 18k0588
1977.
SN's ran from 10K0001 to 24K9999 that year.
Rough guess, about $450 to $500

serial number D845XXX
Likely 1976.
SN's ran from D750001 in 1975 to D870000 in 1976.
Rough guess, about $350 to $400.

Jim

inthefield
August 13, 2011, 10:52 AM
Thanks Jim,

With that info it looks like a shooter.

Tom

cycloman
August 14, 2011, 01:21 PM
Hello from France

I'am in love with my two revolver Smith and wesson but I dont know their birthday date, could you help me ?

first one : model 66-2 4" ABM7XXX

second one : model 17-6 6" BFS8XXX

thanks for your help Thierry

laytonj1
August 14, 2011, 03:04 PM
first one : model 66-2 4" ABM7XXX

second one : model 17-6 6" BFS8XXX

Hello from the USA!
model 66-2 4" ABM7XXX = 1986/87.
model 17-6 6" BFS8XXX = 1990.

Jim

cycloman
August 14, 2011, 03:14 PM
thank you very much :D

thierry

laytonj1
August 14, 2011, 05:24 PM
model 66-2 4" ABM7XXX = 1986/87.
I screwed that one up.... should be 1983.

Jim

cycloman
August 15, 2011, 05:15 AM
thanks !!!;) thierry

prelude76
August 15, 2011, 10:52 PM
smith and wesson model 60 no dash serial r1311xx. can you tell me year of manufacture. and approximate value. it is in about 92%. stainless 2 in barrel

ozk
August 16, 2011, 05:58 PM
Hello, I have 19/4 and 2,5'', can u help about the production year with serial number: 75K34XX. Thank you..

dolap
August 16, 2011, 07:18 PM
Hello everyone,

I have a Smith and Wesson bodyguard model, 5 rounds barrel,serial number is
J43xxx. Can anyone tell me the year it was made?
Thanks so much.

laytonj1
August 16, 2011, 08:49 PM
model 60 no dash serial r1311xx
Serial numbers ran from R100000 in 1974 to R190000 in 1977.

75K34XX
1980.
J43xxx
Serial numbers ran from J1 in 1969 to J99999 in 1970.

Jim

prelude76
August 16, 2011, 09:04 PM
thanks for your time. any chance i could get an approx value?

laytonj1
August 16, 2011, 09:21 PM
any chance i could get an approx value
Around here, a nice one goes for around $350 to $400.

Jim

prelude76
August 16, 2011, 09:49 PM
Thank you again for the help.

ozk
August 17, 2011, 01:27 AM
Thank you very much laytonj1.

Venom1956
August 18, 2011, 04:40 AM
K72XXX? :confused: Thanks

FallingIntoInfinity
August 18, 2011, 04:38 PM
K881XXX, Model 15 - 3, help?

laytonj1
August 18, 2011, 05:37 PM
K72XXX
1949.
Serial numbers ran from K18732 to K73121 that year.

K881XXX
1969.
Serial numbers ran from K848782 to K946391 that year.

Jim

FallingIntoInfinity
August 18, 2011, 06:02 PM
much obliged, jim.

niko

jemimy
August 18, 2011, 10:56 PM
This is my first post - hope I'm doing this correctly. I have acquired a ".38 S. & W. SPECIAL CTG" serial number 520xxx (protocol suggests I don't post the whole number). The number 354 is stamped on the frame and visible when I open the cylinder. The number is duplicated on the base of the arm which holds the cylinder.

Also, I'm confused about what cartridge to buy. Appreciate any help. Thanks.

Bionicpirate
August 19, 2011, 05:00 PM
I have a smith and wesson ctg model 10-5 Serial #D313XXX. Then there is another number on the break but i do not know what it is for it is 17669. Can someone tell me how old my gun is and an estimate in value it is in fair condition. Shoots great.

Prozipps
August 19, 2011, 06:47 PM
I traded some wheels for this gun and I am looking for some info on it like year it is what i can safely shoot with it and approx value. It came with a black rubber type grip and some extra wood ones.

4" barrel black in color
Mod. 10-6
54092
N?or a sideways Z?

under the grip it has an X and 54094
on the bottom it has d1111xx

Thanks for any info.

laytonj1
August 19, 2011, 07:21 PM
".38 S. & W. SPECIAL CTG" serial number 520xxx
It's chambered for the standard and common .38 Special cartridge.
To date it I need to known if it's a 5 shot or 6.

10-5 Serial #D313XXX
Serial numbers ran from D90001 in 1969 to D330000 in 1970.
About $300 tops in fair.

on the bottom it has d1111xx
Same answer as above ^^^.
You can shoot 38 special and 38 special +p.

Jim

jemimy
August 19, 2011, 09:58 PM
Thanks, laytonj1. That's great. I made the mistake of assuming something more exotic and ordered a couple boxes of 38 S&W Fiocchi 145gr Lead Round Nose. As I'm sure you know they didn't chamber. Anyway, thanks again.

It's a 6-shot. I see that some folks post the whole serial number and some don't. Would the rest of the number help determine a birth date?

j

Driffter64
August 19, 2011, 11:01 PM
Hi, Im new to this site. i sought it out because i recently found a .38 i believe to me a M&P but i cant find anyone to confirm this for me. the serial # is S 8680xx any info on this would be awesome thanks all!

intimadator03
August 20, 2011, 01:39 PM
I just bought a S&W airweight 38 SPLctg under the cylinder it says mod12-3. I thought it was a model 10 but not sure. the serial number is 5D577xx.any information would be helpful. It is the six shot cylinder

atm75078
August 21, 2011, 12:05 AM
Would appriciate date info if possible. Thanks in advance. First post on this awesome forum. :)

Model 10-10
Serial CAR91XX

Model 10-5
Serial D3767XX

Thanks again.

ATM

laytonj1
August 21, 2011, 02:09 PM
It's a 6-shot. I see that some folks post the whole serial number and some don't. Would the rest of the number help determine a birth date?
With a SN of 520XXX and no prefix (such as D,C or K) it is a .38 Military & Police from around the late 1920's.

the serial # is S 8680xx
.38 Military & Police postwar.
Serial numbers ran from S811120 in 1945 to S999999 in 1948.

I just bought a S&W airweight 38 SPLctg under the cylinder it says mod12-3. I thought it was a model 10 but not sure. the serial number is 5D577xx
The model 12 is the aluminum frame version of the all steel model 10, hence, the name airweight.
Serial number dates it to 1979.

Model 10-10
Serial CAR91XX

Model 10-5
Serial D3767XX
Serial CAR91XX = 1996.
Serial D3767XX = 1971.

Jim

rimmer
August 21, 2011, 05:31 PM
Hi. I just joined this forum and I was wondering if someone can tell me the year my model 14-4 was built.
The serial number is93K98xx.
thanks,
oscar

laytonj1
August 21, 2011, 07:36 PM
93K98xx
1981.
Serial numbers ran from 91K6801 to 124K000 that year.

Jim

jblackfish
August 22, 2011, 12:17 PM
I'm new here too. I just got a model 10-11 with a s/n CCS9668 - I don't care if you know the entire number. I'd just like to know its approximate birthday. Any help? Thanks in advance.

laytonj1
August 22, 2011, 05:05 PM
s/n CCS9668
1998.

Jim

geeez
August 22, 2011, 08:56 PM
I have 3 S&W hand guns my late husband left me. I am curious as to dates and approx values, I intend to give them to my sons. One is a .38 special model 14-3 with a 6" barrel #3K46XXX. The next is a .44 magnum, model 29-3 also 6" barrel #AZ68XXX, and the last is a .9MM model 659 #TAA9XXX. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

cordell
August 22, 2011, 10:06 PM
Hello all,
Need help with the birth date on a Mod 48-4 Ser# 5k915xx......Thanks and God bless...

medical ninja
August 22, 2011, 11:14 PM
Hello all, I was just up at a family reunion and was able to come home with my great grampa's old .32 revolver. From everything I've been able to find on it, I'm fairly sure it's a Smith and Wesson double action 4th model. Since this model ran between the centuries (1883-1909) I'm wondering if I can pin it down on one side or the other since my understanding is that 1899 and earlier are "antiques" and 1900 and on are under modern firearm laws? Thanks for any help, the serial number is 1964XX.

MattyIce
August 23, 2011, 11:19 AM
Hey guys I'm hoping someone can help me identify my late grandfather's revolver. SN: 118281. Its a 5 shot revolver, best guess is a .32 but not sure. Thank you

laytonj1
August 23, 2011, 05:45 PM
One is a .38 special model 14-3 with a 6" barrel #3K46XXX. The next is a .44 magnum, model 29-3 also 6" barrel #AZ68XXX, and the last is a .9MM model 659 #TAA9XXX
Without knowing the condition I can only give an approximate range of value.
3K46XXX = 1972. $350 to $450.
AZ?8XXX = 1988. $500 to $650.
TAA9XXX = 1984. $300 to $400.

Mod 48-4 Ser# 5k915xx
1974.

the serial number is 1964XX
The book does not narrow it down any further. You would have to contact S&W and likely pay for a history letter to get an exact date.

EDIT: After doing some research I found that the serial number cross point for pre 1899 for your model gun is 209301 so it is a pre 1899.



SN: 118281. Its a 5 shot revolver, best guess is a .32 but not sureSince S&W reused the same serial numbers on different models of guns, I need to know the caliber to determine what model it is. If it is a S&W then the caliber should be marked on the side of the barrel.
Also, is it a modern swing out cylinder or an older break top (barrel and cylinder pivot down).

Jim

cordell
August 24, 2011, 08:50 AM
laytonj1,
Thank you and God bless you and yours...cordell

tgsavell
August 24, 2011, 11:18 AM
I have an older S&W 38 special 4 inch barrel. The serial number is 867178.
Can anyone tell me what model and the year it was made by this serial umber and description?

Thank you,
Tyson

laytonj1
August 24, 2011, 05:41 PM
serial number is 867178
.38 Military and Police (became the model 10 in 1957). SN dates it right around 1940-42.

Jim

MattyIce
August 24, 2011, 07:52 PM
Thanks for the help with the 118281 jim. I can find no indication of a caliber on the side of the barrel. However, it does read "Smith & Wesson Springfield, Mass USA Pat'd Jan 24 65 July 11 65 Aug 24 69 reissue july 25 70 may 11 80 jan 3 82" on the top of the barrel. Also, it is an older break top 5 shot. hope that helps.

laytonj1
August 25, 2011, 08:10 PM
Also, it is an older break top 5 shot. hope that helps
Okay, assuming it's a 32 and it has an exposed hammer the SN would make it a .32 Double Action 4th model. SN's ran from 43406 in 1883 to 282999 in 1909.

If it's has a concealed hammer and grip safety then it would be a .32 Safety Hammerless 2nd model. SN's ran from 91418 in 1902 to 170000 in 1909.

Jim

geeez
August 26, 2011, 12:36 PM
thanks Jim, I appreciate the information. All three guns are in pristine condition, now I can make sure they are insured right.

pan_iced
August 27, 2011, 03:28 PM
could someone look this serial # up for me and tell me a year and model of a 38 smith and wesson hammerless 'lemon squeezer'(?) #238903

laytonj1
August 27, 2011, 07:24 PM
38 smith and wesson hammerless 'lemon squeezer'(?) #238903
.38 Safety Hammerless 5th Model.
Serial numbers ran from 220000 in 1907 to 261493 in 1940. Book does not narrow it down any further.

Jim

F250hd
August 28, 2011, 03:30 PM
Hey all,
was wondering if someone wouldn't mind looking up the date on my S&W Mod 28-2 serial number n22383x on the barrel it says .357 highway patrolman, it was my grandfathers service revolver but he doesnt know anything about it, he handed it down to me a while ago just figured id try and get alittle info.

Thanks

jim8115
August 28, 2011, 09:00 PM
I recently acquired a stainless 4" model 67-4 # cdt532x, it is in perfect condition, paid 400 for it.

Also just got a blue model 10-5 # d4806XX, it is in good shape, other than what appears to be a bit of holster wear on the end of the barrel. Paid 300 for it.

Both guns shoot so good it amazes me.
Any idea of the age of these 2?

Thanks,
Jim

LewisBrew
August 29, 2011, 04:39 PM
Just got a 686 no-dash 4". Anyone know the approximate age of the gun? S/N is ACU7XXX. From what I gather it has to be between '80 and '86...but that's a large window.

TIA

laytonj1
August 29, 2011, 06:32 PM
Mod 28-2 serial number n22383x
The N200000 numbers ran from 1974 to 1977.
The 28 was an slightly more economical version of the model 27. It featured a matte blue vs bright blue finish and lacked the checkering along the length of the top of the gun.

model 67-4 # cdt532x
model 10-5 # d4806XX
cdt532x = late 1999.
d4806XX = SN's ran from D420001 in 1972 to D51000 in 1973.

S/N is ACU7XXX
1983.

F250hd
August 29, 2011, 09:56 PM
Thank you Layton, much appreciated

bad_jojo
August 30, 2011, 10:40 AM
i recently purchased an old S&W, they said its a Smith & Wesson Military and Police (M&P) revolver; the model that eventually became the Model 10.

i wanted to know how old is it?

and if it can be confirmed by the serial number = 6036xx


thanks
jojo

4asingleshot
August 30, 2011, 01:29 PM
I have a S&W .38 special revolver with serial # C886XXX that I need to know the model and approximate year of manufacture. Can anyone help me? Thank you so much!

laytonj1
August 30, 2011, 05:17 PM
serial number = 6036xx
Right around 1930.

serial # C886XXX
It's a model 10 if steel frame or model 12 if aluminum frame.
The model number should be stamped on the frame just in front of the cylinder, only visable with the cylinder opened. See pic.
Serial numbers ran from C810533 in 1966 to C999999 in 1967.

Jim

This is a model 629-1.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/laytonj1/mod-1.jpg

ajb4266
August 31, 2011, 09:31 AM
Looking to find the manufacture date of a S&W mod 10-10 .38 special with 4" Bull barrel.

serial #BHB16xx

any help appreciated

thank you andy

4asingleshot
August 31, 2011, 09:49 AM
Jim, Thank you for your time and help! I really appreciate it!

laytonj1
August 31, 2011, 07:21 PM
serial #BHB16xx
1991.

Jim

RicMic
September 1, 2011, 08:51 PM
I just picked up a 66-1 SN# 69K5xxx. I hope it's worth the $375 OTD I paid for it today. Any help on its DOB would be appreciated.

Best Regards
RicMic

laytonj1
September 2, 2011, 03:15 PM
66-1 SN# 69K5xxx. I hope it's worth the $375 OTD I paid for it 1980.
Unless it's beat to death, it's easily worth $375.

Jim

zalim
September 4, 2011, 09:27 PM
Just got a Model 10, and I'm curious to know more about it.

Serial number is 6D44XXX.

laytonj1
September 4, 2011, 09:35 PM
6D44XXX
1980.

Jim

zalim
September 4, 2011, 10:21 PM
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!

rgregory87
September 5, 2011, 09:46 AM
Uncle's father plowed up a K22 in a field... hoping to get some info on it

S/N - K 189XXX (on bottom of grip)

Inside yoke - B 81362, then a 5 underneath

laytonj1
September 5, 2011, 09:49 AM
S/N - K 189XXX (on bottom of grip)
1953.
How's it look?

Jim

rgregory87
September 5, 2011, 12:05 PM
Outside is rough. No blueing left, several pits. Action is unbelievably smooth though. Thank you!

oj8505
September 7, 2011, 08:59 AM
Ok I just purchased a pre-war 1905 .38spc m&p kframe revolver from aging show. I was looking for an older style revolver and was told that the one I bought was a good buy. He pointed out the frame had 5 screws and the newer models reduced the number used. I checked Wikipedia and other sources and only got more confused as it said the pre war 1::905 model apparently was made around 1946 and was the last type to be made without a model number as the name. Switch to model 10 I think. Was after old west revolvers between 1840-1900s. There wasn't much 'wild" west left by the 40s. The serial number on rge butt and cylinder says 503xxx. Any tell me more info? 1st s&w gun a
nd didn't know there was a book. Plus internet says +p works for my gun if it'd not as old as I thought. That true?

Thanks
Orion

laytonj1
September 7, 2011, 03:51 PM
503xxx
It's a .38 Military & Police model of 1905, 4th change. SN 503XXX dates it to late 1920's.
It became the model 10 when S&W began assigning model numbers in 1957.
While it likely won't hurt it, S&W does not recommend +P ammo in pre model numbered guns.

Jim

tjpratt
September 7, 2011, 05:12 PM
New to the revolver forum. Someone asked you a question on an older S&W, I have the same question'

S&W 28-2 Highway Patrol 4" barrel SN#N532832

I know there is a book I could buy, but I am not a collector, just ran across this lovely pistol I know I am the second household it has been in, but not its age.

Thank yo for any help you may lend.