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novice1970
December 10, 2009, 10:41 AM
Thanks again Radagast

Herbie
December 10, 2009, 04:07 PM
A K-22 / model 17 is chambered in 22LR. If it's a 38 special then it's a K-38 / model 14.
The serial number (K20XXX) dates it to 1948. For that time period the same serial number should also be on the underside of the barrel and back of the cylinder.

Side note: A K-22 / K-38 from early 1948 would likely have a tapered, thin barrel. Is there only 5 digits after the "K" in the SN or 6?

It is a 5 digit serial # K 20XXX

Jonathank1982
December 10, 2009, 06:54 PM
Hello

A friend of mine got a S&W from his father. His dad got it from a policeman in the 1960's and was reportedly "old" back then. I looked in the yoke and there is no model number stamped in it. I checked and the only things stamped are a Y and a 3 and a 2 with a circle around it. It has a pinned nonbull barrel. Sqaure butt grips. Marked .38 s&w special ctg. Honestly it looks like a model 10. Serial number is 4275xx Any guess to the year?
Thanks!

Jonathan

Radagast
December 10, 2009, 11:43 PM
Jonathank1982:
Sounds like your friend has a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th change, made between 1921 & 1927. This is the direct ancestor of the Model 10.

Jonathank1982
December 11, 2009, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the info!

Jonathan

HARLEY 58
December 11, 2009, 10:22 PM
I have recently bought a Smith and Wesson 22 m.r.f. ctg revolver ,serial # 6k2XXX, model#48-2. Also has L or E 10 stamped above the model#, and also under the hand grips. The reason I say L or E is under the grips it looks like an E??. It was in a group of guns I just happened up on and bought. I am not a real gun guy just took a chance. I have a guy wanting to trade me a brand new in the box P345 ruger for it. Just don't want to give it away. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance Rob. If I have asked this in the wrong place please excuse.

Radagast
December 11, 2009, 11:16 PM
Harley 58:
Your Model 48-2 K22 Masterpiece Magnum Rimfire was manufactured in 1974, based on the serial number. The problem is that it should be a 48-4 if manufactured that year.
The E10 and other numbers or letters are assembly numbers used to track parts in the factory and are irrelevant once the gun is assembled. Only the model number and serial number have any relevance.

In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave values of $450 ANIB, $375 Excellent, $300 Very Good, $250 Good, $185 Fair and $100 in Poor condition.

A quick check on Gunbroker.com & gunsamerica.com show P345s for $450 to $480 and Model 48s from $700 to $900 but there are no bids, so these prices are probably high. I would trade it if the Ruger is a gun you actually want, as it will save you transfer and shipping fees. If you are just trading for tradings sake I would keep the S&W as it is uncommon and no longer produced.

laytonj1
December 12, 2009, 12:02 AM
The problem is that it should be a 48-4 if manufactured that year.

In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave values of $450 ANIB, $375 Excellent, $300 Very Good, $250 Good, $185 Fair and $100 in Poor condition.
Just to add a little,
A 48-2 in the same serial range (6Kxxxx) sold on Gunbroker recently. Though not listed as such, apparently the -2's do exist that late.

Checking completed auctions the "sold" prices ranged from a low of $495 to over $800.

HARLEY58,
The model 48 (not beat up) is a collectable and worth more than the Ruger, hence, him offering you a new one in exchange. But, like Radagast said, go for the one you like best.

Jim

Walter57
December 12, 2009, 07:57 AM
Recently bought a Smith&Wesson Model 2206 (6" barrel).
Very nice and accurate gun.
Does anyone has more information about this handgun (age, …) or has any experience using it ?
Serial nr.: VAC 09XX
Thanks

FlyFish
December 12, 2009, 08:25 AM
Does anyone has more information about this handgun (age, …) or has any experience using it ?
Serial nr.: VAC 09XX

That's a tough one. SCSW lists the "UAM" prefix as 1997, and the "VHN" prefix as 1998, with no further information. I guess you could infer that your pistol dates from those years, but I think it would only be a guess.

HARLEY 58
December 12, 2009, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the info. I am at work now and will check again on the 4 or 2 numbers. If I understand right if it is either one the year and price really does not change . Again thanks, and I think I will just keep the S&W. Also the gun is in perfect shape.

CraCZ
December 12, 2009, 12:50 PM
Radagast-A friend just purchased a S&W 19-3 2" with a serial #5K72xxx. Would you please tell me the DOB. It would be greatly appreciated-Thanx

FlyFish
December 12, 2009, 01:26 PM
CraCZ: I'm not Radagast, but as we're all working from the same book . . . 1973.

syclone01
December 12, 2009, 06:16 PM
serial# 3K60376 combat masterpiece .38spl. Thanks

also model 66-1 combat magnum serial#89K3649

Jake Chandler
December 12, 2009, 08:00 PM
I'm fortunate to have found this forum. I would like to know what kind of S&W revolver I have and what year if possible.
It has a four inch barrel, double action, fixed sights, swing out ejector cylinder, no safety that I can see.

Right side of barrel stamped Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA. Last pat'd year Sept. 14-09 there is one Maltese cross at the beginning and at the end of the stamping.

Left side of barrel starts with a engraving mark than 38 S&W special CTG and again the engraving mark.

I found the serial number after taking off the grips on the bottom of the frame the first three numbers are 227, a matching number was located on the underside of the barrel visible when you slide the cylinder away only there is a letter B about one 1/4 inch in front of the number.

After examining the frame where the nipples are to align the grips there is a letter E and above that is I believe a #8. Also this is a round butt five screw revolver.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you
Jake in AZ

FlyFish
December 12, 2009, 10:06 PM
serial# 3k60376 combat masterpiece .38spl.
1972

also model 66-1 combat magnum serial#89k3649
1980

joelsteinbach
December 12, 2009, 10:40 PM
Purchased today S & W 15-3 Great Shape Serial # 3K40963 was wondering the manufacture date, and can the front sight be changed?

FlyFish
December 13, 2009, 09:41 AM
joelsteinbach: 1972. With the right gunsmith and sufficient $ you can do just about anything, but it may not be cost-effective. What type of change are you looking to make?

syclone01
December 13, 2009, 11:00 AM
thanks flyfish!! Merry Christmas

joelsteinbach
December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM
I would like to add a bright (tru glo) front sight, It appearts that the front blade may be just forced, or friction fit. I shoot 148 HBWC and can only properly use them with a 38 spec. If I use this round in any of my 357's it tends to affect the fuction of the weapon after 30 or 40 rounds.

Christobal65
December 13, 2009, 11:40 PM
I'm looking for some info on a .22 7 round revolver my dad got from his dad. I have S&W markings on the top of the barrel "Smith & Wesson Springfield MA" with a patent number under it. On the side of the barrel it says 22 S&W CTG and on the base the serial number looks to be 3272.

laytonj1
December 14, 2009, 12:12 AM
I would like to add a bright (tru glo) front sight, It appearts that the front blade may be just forced, or friction fit.
The front sight blades on later S&W's (like yours) are either pinned or forged as a one piece part of the barrel. If one piece a gunsmith would have to cut off the blade and mill a slot into the base and fit/pin a new blade in.
I'm looking for some info on a .22 7 round revolver my dad got from his dad. I have S&W markings on the top of the barrel "Smith & Wesson Springfield MA" with a patent number under it. On the side of the barrel it says 22 S&W CTG and on the base the serial number looks to be 3272.
Is it a tip-up barrel with a spur trigger (no trigger guard)? What are the patent dates?

Jim

Rocked
December 14, 2009, 12:19 AM
How about a blued M29-3 numbered AFU69XX?

laytonj1
December 14, 2009, 12:23 AM
How about a blued M29-3 numbered AFU69XX?
Late 1984/early 85.

Jim

Christobal65
December 14, 2009, 12:54 AM
Jim it looks exactly like this except it looks like a blue finish.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/images/4fdd6fbd220e26b63a7c9a5aa88f5f31.jpg

Patent dates look like Aug 14, 1900 and Oct 1901

Rocked
December 14, 2009, 02:01 AM
Thanks again Jim!

FlyFish
December 14, 2009, 08:23 AM
Christobal65: That's a .22 Ladysmith 1st Model, made from 1902 to 1906. It's built on the "M" frame, which is the smallest frame used for S&W Hand Ejectors. According to SCSW, the SN range was from 1 to 4575, so presumably that's how many were made. Prices range from a few hundred $ to a few thousand $, depending on condition.

cocojo
December 14, 2009, 09:45 AM
Jim, I have a S&W 36 square butt serial number 446619 in blue. I figured mid sixties somewhere.

laytonj1
December 14, 2009, 01:05 PM
Jim, I have a S&W 36 square butt serial number 446619 in blue. I figured mid sixties somewhere.
You would be correct. Serial numbers ranged from 295000 in 1962 to 786544 in 1969.

Jim

Christobal65
December 14, 2009, 01:47 PM
Sweet thanks, here are some pics of the .22 we have.

http://www.gtotwinturbo.com/images/other/22/DSCN0790.jpg

http://www.gtotwinturbo.com/images/other/22/DSCN0789.jpg

Jake Chandler
December 14, 2009, 03:29 PM
Just curious, what are those grips made of and do you know where to get a set?
Thanks

TK14SS
December 17, 2009, 01:21 AM
My father has a K frame with a serial number of 1587xx.

I know it is a hand ejector, chambered in .38 S&W Special, with the fixed sights (blade front), center diamond grips with gold crests, S&W trade mark on the right side, with the S&W markings to include patents (last one= Sep 14. 09

It is in pretty good condition with solid bluing (mior "pitting"), some holster wear, a few very fine scratches, and clean bore.

Could you please help me with proper identification, date of production, and approximate value?

I'm also researching a few of his other weapons that he has from his elders. So far I've worked on his 1915 Winchester Model '94, a 1938 Hunter Arms "The Fulton" 16ga SxS, his 1950 Colt Detective Special .38. I'm working on this Smith and just out of curiosity also an Iver Johnson Arms and Cycle Works break action .32 hammerless 5 shot revolver.

Thank you!
Troy

Radagast
December 17, 2009, 06:34 AM
Jake Chandler:
The grips are vulcanised (hard) rubber. They were the standard grip on your gun, as I mentioned over at THR. Your best bet would be to check with Numrich: http://www.e-gunparts.com/

Christobal65:
Depending on mechanical condition your gun would probably be considered good to very good condition. In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $450 to $600. Please note that these guns were chambered in .22 long, not .22 long rifle and are known to crack the forcing cone when shot with .22lr.
If you can't find .22 shorts or longs to shoot through it, it would be best not to shoot it at all.

TK14SS:
You have a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 3rd Change manufactured between 1909 & 1915, serial number range was 146900 to 241703.
In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave values of $285 to $385 for very good to excellent condition.
Note that this gun was made before heat treating of cylinders and it would be prudent to only shoot it with standard velocity lead ammunition. It also lacks the modern hammer block safety so there is a very small risk that it could discharge if dropped on the hammer. Best to keep the hammer down on an empty chamber if it is kept loaded.

TK14SS
December 17, 2009, 11:15 AM
Thank you very much sir!

adam731432
December 18, 2009, 07:01 AM
S&W J-Frame Stainless Chiefs Special Stainless

Serial # ALA8347

FlyFish
December 18, 2009, 08:47 AM
Serial # ALA8347

November of 1985

TX Shooter
December 18, 2009, 12:28 PM
I would appreciate help knowing year of manufacture for my Highway Patrolman:

N 596XXX

Also, any estimates of value for a 9 out of 10 condition level??

adam731432
December 18, 2009, 01:57 PM
Sweet. I was born Dec1 of 85. So would this Stainless 1985 m60 be safe with the hottest +P .38special? Does it take standard J-frame grips? Are there any quirks about this era model?

I only payed 329 OTD but its a little rough. Looks like it was carried ALLOT but shot a little. Some new grips and the stainless will polish right up. Its still very tight. The cylinder face and cylinder rings aren't very stained and the rifling and forcing cone are still bright and sharp with no powder or jacket fouling.

Thanks

Radagast
December 18, 2009, 05:13 PM
TX Shooter:
1978 to 1980. In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $375 in excellent condition.

Radagast
December 18, 2009, 05:17 PM
adam731432:
The first plus P rated Model 60 came out in 1990. Accepted internet wisdom (ie use at your own risk) is that limited use of Plus P in a early model won't harm the gun, regular use will accelerate wear. For the grips, jany round butt J frame grip will fit. If yours is a 60-1 with a three inch heavy barrel and square butt then you will need to look for square but grips.

TX Shooter
December 19, 2009, 11:04 AM
Thanks very much Radagast!

adam731432
December 19, 2009, 04:24 PM
I thought mine had the .38/magnum frame and cylinder length but i could be wrong.

I didn't see a -1 on the yoke. The bottom of the the grip frame is flat but with slightly rounded corners. A set of modern 2009 grips from my 642 and 360 airweights fit perfectly. What would that make it?

Do you think a steady diet of the FBI lead HPSWC would hurt?

laytonj1
December 19, 2009, 05:06 PM
I thought mine had the .38/magnum frame and cylinder length but i could be wrong.
The +P rated frame did not start until 1990 at 60-7. The "Magnum frame" did not start until 1996 at (60-9) when they started chambering for the 357.

Jim

snub38
December 19, 2009, 05:17 PM
Can anyone please tell me the year of manufacture fora S@W model 36 serial number J825xxx. Thanks in advance.

laytonj1
December 19, 2009, 06:01 PM
S@W model 36 serial number J825xxx.
1981.

Jim

Radagast
December 19, 2009, 07:28 PM
adam731432: You have a round butt gun, and possibly you could harm the gun. Certainly regular use of plus P will wear the components and throw the timing out faster than standard pressure ammo. If you want to shoot plus P on a regular basis, buy a 60-7 or later gun. Yours is a 60 'no dash' and has not been reinforced for the heavier loads.

adluginb
December 20, 2009, 12:11 AM
This looks like a newer S&W 41 serial UGK2xxx that I am thinking of purchasing anyone help me with age?

thanks

Radagast
December 20, 2009, 02:45 AM
adluginb:
The serial number ranges in the Standard Catalog of S&W are not conrehensive for auto pistols. They do note than UAMxxxx shipped in 1997, so it's probable your gun would be after that, but as to when I can't say.

GUNNER336
December 20, 2009, 04:04 AM
Jim

have a cherry S&W Mdl 27 3 1/2" Blue, smooth trigger, semi target hammer. Ser #
N-2154XX
also a S%W Mdl 629-5 Mountain gun Round butt . both were gifts from an uncle who passed.

snub38
December 20, 2009, 11:54 AM
Thanks Jim for the S@W model 36 date of manufacture, Iappreciate it.

laytonj1
December 20, 2009, 01:01 PM
have a cherry S&W Mdl 27 3 1/2" Blue, smooth trigger, semi target hammer. Ser #
N-2154XX
also a S%W Mdl 629-5 Mountain gun Round butt . both were gifts from an uncle who passed. Those 3.5" 27's are sweet guns!
N2154XX = 1974/75.
629-5's were made from 1997 to 2001.

Jim

olemiss65
December 20, 2009, 09:40 PM
I just found my grandfathers S&W .38 Special in our garage. I was wondering if anyone could tell me when this model was made as well as how to restore it to make it look good again. The serial number on the bottom is S 907833. It has a fair amount of rust on it. I have also attached a few pics.

laytonj1
December 20, 2009, 11:25 PM
The serial number on the bottom is S 907833.
You have a 38 Military and Police Postwar.
The "S" serial prefixes ran from S811120 in 1945 to S999999 in 1948.

Because of the rust the value would be low. A quality, professional bluing job can run about $200 dollars but, while there are methods to remove the rust there could be pitting underneath that a polishing job will not remove.
I'd suggest taking it to a local gunsmith knowledgeable of refinishing to get an idea of other finish options you could try.

Jim

tgsavell
December 21, 2009, 02:37 PM
Can any one tell me when this serial number was made?

830565

Thanks,
Tyson

oldman1946
December 21, 2009, 04:09 PM
Since the thread is here..well I would like to know about two S&W guns

One is a Model 25-5 bearing serial number N678303

The other is a model 66 bearing SN 7K84563

Thanks in advance

Radagast
December 21, 2009, 05:03 PM
tgsavell:
You have a .38 Military & Police model of 1905 4th Change manufactured between 1939 & 1942.

oldman1946:
Your model 25-5 dates to 1979-1980, your model 66 most likely dates to 1975 (there are some gaps in the serial ranges given in the standard catalog of S&W for that year, your gun falls in one of those gaps).

boxcarjack
December 23, 2009, 11:40 AM
It is a Model 10-7 serial number AFW06xx. Thank you. I'm going to go buy the book later today.

Thanks again
Boxcarjack :D

fyimo
December 23, 2009, 12:38 PM
DOB was probably 1984 based on interpeting the serial number code.

chitown
December 23, 2009, 03:39 PM
hi folks. curious to know the year of manufacture and model # (if applicable) for a 38 S&W Special i inherited.

serial # C 243xxx (number on butt of gun, last 3 Xed out)

thanks in advance for any assistance.

laytonj1
December 23, 2009, 09:51 PM
hi folks. curious to know the year of manufacture and model # (if applicable) for a 38 S&W Special i inherited.

serial # C 243xxx
1953.
.38 Military and Police. Became the model 10 when S&W started assigning model numbers around 1958.

Jim

chitown
December 24, 2009, 09:47 AM
@ Jim

Thanks!

Interesting. I did not realize it was that old. May be worth getting the history report from S&W.

n7qvu
December 24, 2009, 12:48 PM
I have a Dirty Harry model 29-2 SN-N137xxx. Looking for build date.

Thanks,
Jerry

FlyFish
December 24, 2009, 01:14 PM
I have a Dirty Harry model 29-2 SN-N137xxx. Looking for build date.

1973 - same year that "Magnum Force" (sequel to the original "Dirty Harry", which was 1971) came out.

Christiantrevor
December 25, 2009, 02:23 PM
I'm happy to have stumbled on to this thread.

My grandfather left me a blued Smith and Wesson model 15-3 with a 4" barrel. Serial number 1K10XXX. The barrel reads .38 S.&W. Special CTG and it has a target hammer, trigger and adjustable sights.

When was this pistol manufactured? I appreciate your help and information.

FlyFish
December 25, 2009, 02:40 PM
Christiantrevor - 1970. Merry Christmas :)

Christiantrevor
December 25, 2009, 02:53 PM
Thank you Flyfish! Merry Christmas to you too!

Bill DeShivs
December 26, 2009, 05:23 AM
Well, since everybody is asking-S&W mod 60 (no dash), SN- AND6644.
Thanks!

FlyFish
December 26, 2009, 10:18 AM
Bill - 1986. Nice looking knives, BTW.

Bill DeShivs
December 26, 2009, 02:06 PM
Flyfish-
Thank you-twice!
If the M60 is a no dash, how could it have been made as late as 1986, though? The M60 was introduced in the 1970s.

stoneyrok
December 26, 2009, 02:37 PM
I inherited a Smith and Wesson 38 Special from my step grandfather. I has some rough spots on it, but it doesn't look like rust. It does have a nice picture of a S and a W on top of each other in a circle. At the top of the circle it reads "trade" and at the bottom it reads "Mark". On one side of the barrell it reads 38 S.&W. Special CTG. On the other side of the barrell it is spelled out "Smith & Wesson". The serial number on the bottom of the handle is 4D79765 / I would appreciate it so much if someone could give me some insight on when this was made, view the pics and offer an estimate on about how much it is worth. Thanks in advance, I will be so thankful!

FlyFish
December 26, 2009, 02:42 PM
That's a very good question, Bill. The 60 was actually introduced in 1965, the 60-1 came along in '72, and the 60-2 was 1987. Both the -1 and the -2 were limited production special runs (171 and approx. 2500 pieces, each, respectively), so it appears that the "no dash" continued in production in parallel with the -1 and -2. The -3 came out in 1988, and I assume at that point all the 60s became 60-3.

There's no question that the "AND" prefix was used in 1986; the 3-character alpha prefix system for all S&W revolvers was initiated in 1980. As another check - look for a pinned barrel. That feature was dropped in 1982, so your revolver should not have one.

FlyFish
December 26, 2009, 02:53 PM
stoneyrok: You appear to have a Model 10, aka the .38 Military and Police. Based on the SN, the gun dates from 1979 and, because it has the bull barrel, it should be a Model 10-8 (the tapered barrel produced at the same time was the 10-7). If you swing the cylinder out and look at the area of the frame exposed thereby, you should see 10-8 stamped there, along with some other numbers that you can ignore.

There are a lot of Model 10s around, and due to the condition (that does look to me like rust on the cylinder), yours is probably worth no more than a couple hundred dollars.

stoneyrok
December 26, 2009, 03:02 PM
Wow flyfish, you are amazing! I swung it open like you sugested and saw the numbers you said to ignore, then saw the 10-8. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the fast resonse. A senior member like you is what is making this board so succussful! Thanks again and Merry Christmas!

syclone01
December 26, 2009, 03:21 PM
K116889 combat masterpiece

FlyFish
December 26, 2009, 03:54 PM
syclone01: 1951. (nice!)

Bill DeShivs
December 26, 2009, 04:59 PM
Thanks, Flyfish!
I'll check for the barrel pin when I get home, and will report back.

syclone01
December 26, 2009, 06:20 PM
thanks flyfish, Happy New Year

niel4
December 27, 2009, 06:23 PM
Model 36 here serial # BNN33xx.

Any idea of its DOB? My guess in early 80's

Bill DeShivs
December 27, 2009, 08:06 PM
Flyfish-
You were correct. No barrel pin on my model 60.
Thanks!

laytonj1
December 27, 2009, 08:53 PM
Model 36 here serial # BNN33xx.
1993.

Jim

laytonj1
December 27, 2009, 09:00 PM
If the M60 is a no dash, how could it have been made as late as 1986, though? The M60 was introduced in the 1970s.
To add to Flyfish's response, the 60-1 designated a 3" heavy barrel. 60-2 was a special run for the NYCPD. They were separate of the standard model 60. The standard 60 became the 60-3 in 1988 with the change to the new yoke retention system.
Other models of S&W also had different dash numbers running concurrently.

Jim

spoolie
December 27, 2009, 09:51 PM
Try this one out...

28-2 N2938xx

...any google search on S&W serial numbers points right to this site...I read about 35 of the 94 pages, great read.

laytonj1
December 27, 2009, 10:34 PM
Try this one out...

28-2 N2938xx
~1977.

Jim

spoolie
December 28, 2009, 12:28 AM
Thank you 1000000 times Jim!!!

rckound
December 28, 2009, 05:57 PM
Glad to be a new member here. Have been looking for info on my S&W 29-2 serial #440***. This looks like the thread to find out. Thanks in advance and I look forward to all the great reading on this site.

carguychris
December 28, 2009, 06:08 PM
Glad to be a new member here. Have been looking for info on my S&W 29-2 serial #440***.
If it has an "N" prefix, it was built circa 1970-1972, most likely 1972 because it's near the end of the quoted N1 – N60,000 serial number range. The Model 29 experienced a huge surge in popularity in 1971 due to movie featuring a fictional San Francisco police detective played by Clint Eastwood. ("I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky?") ;)

If there's no "N" prefix, you're probably looking at an assembly number, and the number you want is on the butt. You may have to remove the grips to see it.

rckound
December 28, 2009, 06:18 PM
Thanks Carguychris, that's some good information to get me started. Hopefully if anybody else has anything to add, I sure would appreciate it. Extra points to you for the Dirty quote!

649GoldDot
December 28, 2009, 07:13 PM
I picked up a 649-3 in a trade today.
I have the original box, but there is no date.
The serial number is CEV5215.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. :D

laytonj1
December 28, 2009, 08:41 PM
Glad to be a new member here. Have been looking for info on my S&W 29-2 serial #440***.
"N" followed by 440XXX (6 numbers) would be 1977/78.
I picked up a 649-3 in a trade today.
I have the original box, but there is no date.
The serial number is CEV5215.
2001.

Jim

Blondie.357
December 28, 2009, 11:56 PM
Can anyone tell me mine?

CHS8500

laytonj1
December 29, 2009, 12:08 AM
Can anyone tell me mine?

CHS8500
2004.

Jim

spacecoast
December 30, 2009, 06:57 PM
Would like approx. DOB info on my "new" 64-3 revolvers, serial #s are AFY7xxx and AJP3xxx.

Thanks in advance...

laytonj1
December 30, 2009, 10:44 PM
Would like approx. DOB info on my "new" 64-3 revolvers, serial #s are AFY7xxx and AJP3xxx
AFY7XXX = 1984/85
AJP3XXX = 1986/87

Jim

atari52oo
December 30, 2009, 10:50 PM
Just received a S&W 686 (no dash) as a gift and I was curious as to what year it was made?

Serial: AUJ2xxx

Thanks in advance!

jad0110
December 30, 2009, 11:00 PM
Here are a couple, I may buy one of them.

Both are Model 28-2s:

N517xxx

N110xxx

Tall Pine
December 30, 2009, 11:03 PM
Atari,

I think its 1986/1987. The book isnt very clear to me on the serial# (lots of missing letter data). Interesting though as the detail info for the 686 itself says the -1 (dash one) started in 1986.

Can I ask you for help? Do you know how to reply with a quote? The option doesnt appear on your post for me to hit "quote" like I would expect. Is it because I dont have a long post history?

Tall Pine
December 30, 2009, 11:06 PM
Jad,

The N5xxxx is '78-'80, but prob closer to '78.
The N1xxxx is 1973 for sure

Do you have any ideas why the "quote" wont work for me?

rckound
December 30, 2009, 11:57 PM
Thank you Laytonj1, appreciate you posting up. So probably around 1977-78. Any idea what the lettering color should be on the barrel and such? Does red seem like the right color from the factory? Were there different colors or all the same?

laytonj1
December 31, 2009, 12:29 AM
Any idea what the lettering color should be on the barrel and such? Does red seem like the right color from the factory? Were there different colors or all the same? No color would be correct. It was common, however for owners to use paint sticks to highlight the rollmarked lettering.

Some current production guns from S&W do come with highlighted lettering where the lettering is laser etched (such as the model 41, 329, etc).

Jim

atari52oo
December 31, 2009, 12:32 AM
Can I ask you for help? Do you know how to reply with a quote? The option doesnt appear on your post for me to hit "quote" like I would expect. Is it because I dont have a long post history?

Tall Pine,

From what I can tell, the only way to quote is by using the "quote" tool button while writing a message. Then paste the quoted text into the post. Not exactly straight forward.

laytonj1
December 31, 2009, 01:03 AM
Can I ask you for help? Do you know how to reply with a quote?
Hit Post Reply, cut and paste what you want to quote to the new post, then highlight it, then click on the QUOTE icon (third character from right on the bottom row of the tool bar, looks like a flag).

Jim

spacecoast
December 31, 2009, 06:42 AM
AFY7XXX = 1984/85
AJP3XXX = 1986/87


Thanks Jim!

rckound
December 31, 2009, 08:50 AM
No color would be correct. It was common, however for owners to use paint sticks to highlight the rollmarked lettering.

Some current production guns from S&W do come with highlighted lettering where the lettering is laser etched (such as the model 41, 329, etc).

Jim

Thank you, Jim. Red lettering on mine, most likely post factory then?

Badco6354
December 31, 2009, 09:55 AM
Hello to all and Happy New Year,

First time post and new to the site. I just purchased a like new S & W Model 65-6, Serial number CEK2XXX. I read almost every post on this thread yesterday and know the gun is newer than 2000. Can anyone give me the BOD, and can you tell me what the -6 in the Model number designates?

Thank You for the Help!

FlyFish
December 31, 2009, 10:17 AM
Badco6354: Welcome to The Firing Line! The CEK prefix would indicate late 2000 or early 2001. The "dash" number added to the basic model number indicates a (usually minor) design or engineering change - the 65-6 came out in 1997 and included a change in the cylinder stop design, MIM hammer with floating firing pin, and changes to the internal lockwork.

Tall Pine
December 31, 2009, 10:35 AM
Hit Post Reply, cut and paste what you want to quote to the new post, then highlight it, then click on the QUOTE icon (third character from right on the bottom row of the tool bar, looks like a flag).

Jim

Thanks Jim!

tgsavell
December 31, 2009, 10:44 AM
Model 48-4 92K1432

38 special S 900500


Thanks alot
Tyson

Tall Pine
December 31, 2009, 10:52 AM
Model 48-4 92K1432

38 special S 900500


Thanks alot
Tyson

The 48-4 is definately a 1981

The 39 spl appears to be a 1952/1953. Note that you have 6 numerical digits where the book indicates there should be only 5. I dont see an S prefix starting with a numerical 9 that has six numerical digits after the S. Could that last 0 not really be there?

There are 6 numerical digit S prefixes but none of them start with a 9; the highest is a 3.

tgsavell
December 31, 2009, 11:13 AM
The S is way over to the front of the butt and seperate from the serial number.
The 0 is there. Its a nickel finish.

thanks,
Tyson

Badco6354
December 31, 2009, 11:29 AM
Thanks Flyfish,

I noticed when I reviewed the post on this thread that you seemed to be one of the resident experts on S & W Serial numbers. This is my first S & W revolver. I got what I consider a good deal, ($350), and look forward to shooting the gun! This will be a nice complement to my 9mm, 40S&W, and 45ACP semi autos. My collection is complete. (until I find something else I have to have! :) )

Thanks again.

FlyFish
December 31, 2009, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Badco6354. I'm just a guy who likes S&W revolvers, has "the book," and sits in front of a computer most of the day. I may know a bit - only a bit - more about this stuff than the average bear, but Jim (laytonj1) and carguychris are the real experts.

Happy New Year to you, and to all of our brothers and sisters here, regulars and newbies alike, who enjoy the shooting sports!

Dick (FlyFish)

Tall Pine
December 31, 2009, 12:47 PM
The S is way over to the front of the butt and seperate from the serial number.
The 0 is there. Its a nickel finish.

thanks,
Tyson

Dick or Jim,

Can you give a 2nd opinion on this lookup? I gave it a stab, but am new with the book and might be missing something. The fact that he has 1 extra numerical digit than the book has for S prefixes is making me second guess myself.

Thanks

Tall Pine
December 31, 2009, 12:56 PM
The S is way over to the front of the butt and seperate from the serial number.
The 0 is there. Its a nickel finish.

thanks,
Tyson

Sorry folks. I think I got it. Was looking in the "S Serial Prefix: N Frames Postwar" section but it can be found in the "Postwar S Serial Range (fixed sight K frame)" section.

Yours must be a model 10, 11, or 45. Correct? If so then I am now pretty certain your date range is 1945-1948, and would be toward the 1947 or 1948 end of the spectrum.

Sorry for all the confusion. I'll get better at this I promise!
Happy New Year to you all.

Tall

spitlist
December 31, 2009, 01:18 PM
I have a Smith & Wesson model 10 that I purchased used back in the 70's and was wondering exactly when it was made. The serial number from the bottom of the butt is D500XXX (XXX being the last 3 digits of the number).

If anyone could look this up and let me know , it would be greatly appreciated.

FlyFish
December 31, 2009, 01:20 PM
Sorry folks. I think I got it. Was looking in the "S Serial Prefix: N Frames Postwar" section but it can be found in the "Postwar S Serial Range (fixed sight K frame)" section.

Yours must be a model 10, 11, or 45. Correct? If so then I am now pretty certain your date range is 1945-1948, and would be toward the 1947 or 1948 end of the spectrum.

Yes, I think that's correct. I would just add it would have to be a Model 10, because he said the caliber is .38 Special. The 11 was .38/200 (aka .38 S&W) and the 45 was .22. And, technically, the gun would be a .38 Military & Police (pre Model 10) because the system of designating models by number didn't start until 1957.

ETA: It could also be a pre Model 12, though the pre 10 would be much more likely. Test the frame with a magnet - the 12 is alloy.

FlyFish
December 31, 2009, 01:23 PM
spitlist: 1973

spitlist
December 31, 2009, 01:39 PM
Thanks, FlyFish! I must say, I am very surprised ath the quick response.

spoolie
January 4, 2010, 03:38 PM
I posted up this number...28-2 N2938xx
Laytonj1 (jim) came back quickly and said 1977...the same time I posted here I also emailed S&W directly. Today they got back with me and the rep there said my gun with that number was manufactured 1967

FlyFish
January 4, 2010, 03:52 PM
I posted up this number...28-2 N2938xx
Laytonj1 (jim) came back quickly and said 1977...the same time I posted here I also emailed S&W directly. Today they got back with me and the rep there said my gun with that number was manufactured 1967.

Ordinarily I would say that S&W should know better than anyone, but I think not in this case. The "N" prefix wasn't initiated until 1969, and Jim's response appears correct, at least based on SCSW, which is a pretty authoritative source. If the SN started with an "S" followed by those digits then 1967 would be correct - I wonder if someone at S&W was confused by that.

laytonj1
January 4, 2010, 04:56 PM
Quote:
I posted up this number...28-2 N2938xx
Laytonj1 (jim) came back quickly and said 1977...the same time I posted here I also emailed S&W directly. Today they got back with me and the rep there said my gun with that number was manufactured 1967.

Ordinarily I would say that S&W should know better than anyone, but I think not in this case. The "N" prefix wasn't initiated until 1969, and Jim's response appears correct, at least based on SCSW, which is a pretty authoritative source. If the SN started with an "S" followed by those digits then 1967 would be correct - I wonder if someone at S&W was confused by that.
While there is overlap on some of the serial numbers, as Flyfish stated, they confused the "N" prefix with a "S".
Per the SCSW:
S290000 - S304999 = 1967 - 1968
S305000 - S329999 = 1968 - 1969
S330000 - S333454 = 1969 - 1970
N1 - N99999 = 1969 - 1972
N100000 - N199999 = 1973
N200000 - N299999 = 1974 - 1977
To add some more confusion:
N300000 - N399999 = 1975 - 1976
N400000 - N499999 = 1977 - 1978
Depending on the specific model number of the gun an earlier serial number can be from a later manufactured gun. Example, most of the last half of the N200000 serial range was model 28's and 58's in 1976/77. Where as, a model 27 with a later N300000 serial number could be made in 1975.

Jim

tgun1
January 4, 2010, 05:12 PM
Appreciate a little help - Family member passed on a S&W MOD. 37 to me, serial # 473XXX, also says AIRWEIGHT 38 SPL.CTG. on snub barrel. Looks near new, i'm told 1 box of shells fired through it when purchased, after that never fired. Can anyone tell me when it was made? Also, aside from 38 cal, what kind of shell is safe for use? Lastly, i'd like to get rubber grips, seems to be square butt, plan to fire at range to get comfortable w/ it and keep it, or should this not be fired, any recommendations? thanks much.

spoolie
January 4, 2010, 05:35 PM
Thanks guys...here is the email address of the contact at S&W directly.

Valenze, David [dvalenze@smith-wesson.com]

I emailed him back requesting him to double check his info please.

laytonj1
January 4, 2010, 05:39 PM
Tgun1,

Your m37 was made ~1964/65. It is rated for 38 Special only. Because of the aluminum frame I would not use +P ammo in it. Now, get some ammo and start shooting...

Jim

tgun1
January 4, 2010, 05:51 PM
Jim,
thanks very much for the info, really appreciate it.

read somewhere that the wood grips with diamond around the screwhole are valuable, any input on this? thought i would replace them to save wear.

budget_patriot
January 4, 2010, 05:51 PM
i havent been able to find any info or pics of this one so i'm gonna post some pics with this request. the sn is as the guy above posted s at the front of the butt followed by a six digit number. it is blued steel on the side of the 6 inch barrel says .38 s.&w. special ctg serial num is (S 990xx0)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/killerdubber/guns/IM000225.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/killerdubber/guns/IM000224.jpg

i know +p wont blow it up but i wanna make sure exactly what i have. its a great shooter. very accurate. i am a handloader so i kinda wanna know what pressures this thing will handle reliably. thank you.

laytonj1
January 4, 2010, 06:09 PM
Budget_patriot,

S811120 - S999999 = 1945 - 1948, so likely 1948 for your sn of S990XXX.

All I"ll say is it's not rated for +P and because of it's age why push it.

read somewhere that the wood grips with diamond around the screwhole are valuable, any input on this? thought i would replace them to save wear.
Well, not as valuable as the larger "K" or "N" frame diamond grips but still worth at least $40 in minty condition. If your going to shoot it much I would look at getting grips a little larger (more hand filling) to get a better hold of it.

Jim

budget_patriot
January 4, 2010, 06:27 PM
sweet thanks.

Nickanto
January 4, 2010, 06:38 PM
Can anyone tell me what this is? I inherited it from my grandpa, it's a .22. It is in just about perfect condition.

It has matching serial numbers of 531-xxx. Also, what might the value be, I have no intentions of selling it, just wondering.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/nickanto/SmithandWesson001.jpg

Tall Pine
January 4, 2010, 08:36 PM
Can anyone tell me what this is? I inherited it from my grandpa, it's a .22. It is in just about perfect condition.

It has matching serial numbers of 531-xxx. Also, what might the value be, I have no intentions of selling it, just wondering.

Its a pre-war .22 hand ejector series pistol. Date range is 1911-1941 with a serial # range of 160000 to 536684. So your is closer to '41.

On pg 118 of the catalog, I see a pic that looks exactly like yours. They are calling this gun a .22 Kit Gun (prewar). Kit Gun meaning a small gun marketed to easily take with you on fishing or camping trips. They have an insert pic of your front sight andf they call it a U.S.R.A. pocket revolver front sight (whatever that means).

Value ranges from $200, $400, $900, $1500, $2650, $3500 (poor, fair, good, very good, exec, as new in box).

I would definately contact S&W for a factory letter. Perhaps send them good sized photos including where the serial# in on the gun.

cheapride
January 5, 2010, 11:07 AM
Hey guys I just got my first S&W and was wondering if it was ok to shoot +p ammo through it. It is a 64-5 with a serial number of cbp91XX. Also don't know what year it was made.

Thanks,
Brent

laytonj1
January 5, 2010, 12:48 PM
Hey guys I just got my first S&W and was wondering if it was ok to shoot +p ammo through it. It is a 64-5 with a serial number of cbp91XX. Also don't know what year it was made.
1997.
S&W's stance is that steel K frames made after 1958 are okay to use +P but with the caveat that it can accelerate wear.

Jim

djandjj80
January 5, 2010, 03:33 PM
I am doing some reseach for a friend and her father has a Smith and Wesson .38 special c.t.a Serial #568xxx, also he was wondering the gun has 3 notches in the gun. He heard that it meant that was the number of men he killed. Is this true? Any information will help. Thanks

carguychris
January 5, 2010, 03:46 PM
I am doing some reseach for a friend and her father has a Smith and Wesson .38 special c.t.a Serial #568xxx...
Does the gun hold 5 rounds or 6, and does the serial number have an alphabetical prefix? And what does "c.t.a." mean- is that an abbreviation stamped somewhere on the gun?
...also he was wondering the gun has 3 notches in the gun. He heard that it meant that was the number of men he killed. Is this true?
Who knows? :confused:

skullworks
January 6, 2010, 09:44 AM
Hi all, I just picked up a S&W Model 25 "45 cal. Model 1955" (25-2), serial number N379XXX. The frame is stamped 66X63. Aside from missing the manual it came with the original presentation box and accessories. What can you tell me about it?

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/419/m25d.th.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/m25d.jpg/)

laytonj1
January 6, 2010, 12:37 PM
Hi all, I just picked up a S&W Model 25 "45 cal. Model 1955" (25-2), serial number N379XXX. The frame is stamped 66X63. Aside from missing the manual it came with the original presentation box and accessories. What can you tell me about it?
I can tell you it's a really nice gun and was made in 1975/76.

Jim

doc540
January 6, 2010, 12:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2036/DSCN0774-1.jpg

1964-65 S&W M36, square butt, diamond stocks, sculpted latch

#486777

FlyFish
January 6, 2010, 01:49 PM
Hi all, I just picked up a S&W Model 25 "45 cal. Model 1955" (25-2), serial number N379XXX. The frame is stamped 66X63. Aside from missing the manual it came with the original presentation box and accessories. What can you tell me about it?

I have one of those from 1975 (N3008XX). It's scary accurate and one of my favorite revolvers to take to the range. I'm not a big fan of moon clips, so I reload .45 AR for it.

skullworks
January 6, 2010, 02:01 PM
Jim, many thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully I'll be able to take it out to the range soon.:)

mikesbikesmalden
January 7, 2010, 11:51 PM
9k4505 got it from a ex M.S.H.P nice piece. i know its not worth much but its not for sale. im a smith&wesson nut. just wondering the year it was made. thanks again.

laytonj1
January 8, 2010, 01:56 AM
9k4505 got it from a ex M.S.H.P nice piece.
1976.

Jim

mikesbikesmalden
January 8, 2010, 08:42 AM
awsome. thanks.. i guess its worth about $400.00 its 85% with factory target grips. they are the same grip as my 629. and my wife was born in 1976 to kool. thanks again.

Peter Weber
January 9, 2010, 08:09 AM
Can we date autoloaders also?

I just picked up a sweet model 4566 .45 Auto. Serial # is VLM51XX. Does anyone know when it was made?

FlyFish
January 9, 2010, 08:41 AM
Can we date autoloaders also?

I just picked up a sweet model 4566 .45 Auto. Serial # is VLM51XX. Does anyone know when it was made?

SCSW has much less detailed info on semiautos, but it appears that yours would be in the 1994-96 timeframe.

coltsfreak18
January 10, 2010, 02:00 PM
What gun would a serial number of 221757 be? It's a five-shot break action revolver with a squeeze safety. A relative gave it to me, and I'd like to find the history out.

Thanks.

laytonj1
January 11, 2010, 12:42 AM
.38 S&W CTG
What gun would a serial number of 221757 be? It's a five-shot break action revolver with a squeeze safety. A relative gave it to me, and I'd like to find the history out.
.38 Safety Hammerless 5th Model.
Serial numbers ran from 220000 in 1907 to 261493 in 1940.

Jim

nzo
January 11, 2010, 01:12 PM
Model 37 serial# ADA8xxx. Thanks, I found this thread today and have been reading it all morning.

10-96
January 11, 2010, 01:30 PM
Please check again, my book does not show an "ADA" prefix.

nzo
January 11, 2010, 02:39 PM
Thanks for quick reply. Double checked and that's it. I have included some pics. http://nzof.imgur.com/

FlyFish
January 11, 2010, 02:50 PM
Model 37 serial# ADA8xxx.

Please check again, my book does not show an "ADA" prefix.

The list doesn't cover every three-letter prefix, it only gives the prefix they were using at certain points in time. It lists "ABL" as Jan 1983 and "ADE" as Oct 1983, so we can infer that ADA was used between those two dates.

nzo
January 11, 2010, 02:59 PM
Thank You FlyFish ! :D

ALcampgal
January 11, 2010, 05:48 PM
My dad has an old Smith & Wesson 38 S&W Special that belonged to his uncle. he would like to know its DOB. The serial number on the butt is C541XXX. Thanks for any help you can give!

Tall Pine
January 11, 2010, 07:42 PM
My dad has an old Smith & Wesson 38 S&W Special that belonged to his uncle. he would like to know its DOB. The serial number on the butt is C541XXX. Thanks for any help you can give!

It is 1962-1963.

bullbarrel
January 11, 2010, 09:45 PM
Date of manufacture please. Serial number starts with C219XXX

Pinned barrel. Non-recessed cylinder. No model number that I can see.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3852/sw381md.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/sw381md.jpg/)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8273/sw382md.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/sw382md.jpg/)

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1518/sw385md.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/sw385md.jpg/)

Bear Claw Chris
January 11, 2010, 10:20 PM
Smith & Wesson 5906 9mm Serial #VAV70XX

?????

Tall Pine
January 11, 2010, 11:01 PM
Date of manufacture please. Serial number starts with C219XXX
Pinned barrel. Non-recessed cylinder. No model number that I can see.

1948-1951. I cant tell by the pics, but the book says it is either a Model 10, 11, 12, 45, or Aircrewman and their pre-model variations.

Tall Pine
January 11, 2010, 11:06 PM
Smith & Wesson 5906 9mm Serial #VAV70XX

Book indicates 1994 to 1997, closer to 1994 due to your number coming rather close to the beginiing of the number range.

laytonj1
January 12, 2010, 01:34 AM
Quote:
Date of manufacture please. Serial number starts with C219XXX
Pinned barrel. Non-recessed cylinder. No model number that I can see.
1948-1951. I cant tell by the pics, but the book says it is either a Model 10, 11, 12, 45, or Aircrewman and their pre-model variations.
Just to add, it appears the barrel is stamped .38 S&W Spl. (Special). That knocks out the pre model 45 and 11. The frame is steel so that knocks out pre model 12. The SN puts it at the end of production in 1951 so that makes it a .38 Military and Police (postwar) which went on to become the model 10 when S&W started stamping model numbers ~1958.

Jim

94bluerat
January 12, 2010, 07:32 AM
Info on 2 please;
Mod 10-5, C717XXX

Old hand ejector with a list of patent dates on the top of the barrel, the last one being Dec.17, 01 and 32 Winchester CTG on the side of the barrel. The 5553 is on the inside in the same location as the 10-5 for the other gun SN on the bottom of the grip is 109XX

Thanks!

FlyFish
January 12, 2010, 08:32 AM
Mod 10-5, C717XXX
1963-65

Old hand ejector - 32 Winchester CTG - SN on the bottom of the grip is 109XX

.32-20 Winchester Hand Ejector Model 1902 - 1st Change.
1903 - 1905

e46junkie
January 13, 2010, 09:54 AM
Hello - I'm looking for a production date of a mod 60 serial R141xxx smith in cal 38 w/ 2". Also, can anyone give me feedback on the weight difference between this one and a newer 442/637 model? THanks in advance! Great site here!

laytonj1
January 13, 2010, 02:43 PM
I'm looking for a production date of a mod 60 serial R141xxx smith in cal 38 w/ 2". Also, can anyone give me feedback on the weight difference between this one and a newer 442/637 model?1974 to 77 range.
The earlier 60's are ~21 oz. The 442/637's are 15 oz. The difference being a steel vs. aluminum frame.

Jim

e46junkie
January 13, 2010, 04:24 PM
got it... thanks for the response!

stator
January 14, 2010, 09:28 AM
686-3. 357 serial# BHL21xx

conjuntito
January 14, 2010, 05:48 PM
I am trying to find info on a pistol.It is a Smith & Wesson break open five shot. The top of the barrel has the following imprinted on it: Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA PAT D. Jan 24, 65 July 11, 65 Aug 24, 69 Reissue July 25, 71 May 11, 80 Jan 3 80. the serial No. is 111082. I would appreciate any info you can give me about this gun.

Tall Pine
January 14, 2010, 05:58 PM
686-3. 357 serial# BHL21xx

July to Aug 1991

Tall Pine
January 14, 2010, 06:02 PM
I am trying to find info on a pistol.It is a Smith & Wesson break open five shot. The top of the barrel has the following imprinted on it: Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA PAT D. Jan 24, 65 July 11, 65 Aug 24, 69 Reissue July 25, 71 May 11, 80 Jan 3 80. the serial No. is 111082. I would appreciate any info you can give me about this gun.

What caliber and/or model# is it? The top breaks are a little tougher to ID.

rlgause2
January 14, 2010, 08:23 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson model 60 S/N 54834. The barrel only says 38 S.&W. SPL. Can anybody tell me year it was made and whether +P ammo is safe? I think I have it narrowed down to between 1965-1988 but somebody who actually knows would be appreciated. Thanks

rikerz
January 14, 2010, 09:20 PM
I have one please and need some info: 97J*** which is a .38, thanks for the info in advance..

laytonj1
January 14, 2010, 10:04 PM
I have a Smith and Wesson model 60 S/N 54834. The barrel only says 38 S.&W. SPL. Can anybody tell me year it was made and whether +P ammo is safe? I think I have it narrowed down to between 1965-1988 but somebody who actually knows would be appreciated.
Take the serial number from the underside of the frames grip butt. It should have either an "R" prefix or a three letter prefix.
97J*** which is a .38,
1971/72.

Jim

rikerz
January 14, 2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks Jim!

psyfly
January 15, 2010, 09:59 AM
Model 317, LGT11**

Thanks in advance,

Best,

Will

laytonj1
January 15, 2010, 01:38 PM
Model 317, LGT11**
Too new. Book only covers up to 2004. But a call to S&W customer service will get you the DOB for free.

Jim

psyfly
January 15, 2010, 04:29 PM
"Too new" is close enough for me :D.

I really thought it might be older because it doesn't have a lock.

Thanks,

Best,

Will

JoshD
January 15, 2010, 10:12 PM
I recently inherited a .38 special snub nose revolver. There are no distinguishing marks that i can see. I have searched the internet high and low and this forum seems to have the best info. The serial for the firearm is 1235xx. if you could help identify the model and DOB for me, i would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

laytonj1
January 15, 2010, 11:00 PM
"Too new" is close enough for me .

I really thought it might be older because it doesn't have a lock.
You know what, after seeing your comment about it not having a lock, I looked up the history on the model 317 and found out that a small number were shipped in March of 1997 with the LGT prefix (which was not listed in the serial number section).
My mistake.

Jim

laytonj1
January 15, 2010, 11:17 PM
I recently inherited a .38 special snub nose revolver. There are no distinguishing marks that i can see. I have searched the internet high and low and this forum seems to have the best info. The serial for the firearm is 1235xx.
To start, does anything on it identify it as a S&W revolver? If yes, is it a 5 shot or 6 shot? What exactly is the caliber marking on the barrel? And did you take the serial number from the underside of the frames grip butt and include any letter prefixes.

Jim

JoshD
January 16, 2010, 12:12 PM
I am sorry. it Does have smith and Wesson Stamped on it. The barrel on one side has 38 s&w special stamped and the other just has smith and Wesson. It is a 5 shot, it has two different number sets. On the bottom of the butt and the backside of the wood grips it is stamped 1235XX. However on the frame and cylinder carrier it is stamped 578XX. There is a "floating" L above the 578XX set. It may have been a police or military issue but I'm not sure. I hope this info helps a little. Thank you again.

guitar1580
January 16, 2010, 06:07 PM
I have an old S&W DA45, US Army model 1917. Serial #97XXX. Small walnut grips, swivel sling hook on butt. Can anyone tell me the yr of manuf.?
Thx,

JP

laytonj1
January 16, 2010, 06:47 PM
it Does have smith and Wesson Stamped on it. The barrel on one side has 38 s&w special stamped and the other just has smith and Wesson. It is a 5 shot, it has two different number sets. On the bottom of the butt and the backside of the wood grips it is stamped 1235XX.
Chiefs Special (pre model 36) made in 1957.

I have an old S&W DA45, US Army model 1917. Serial #97XXX. Small walnut grips, swivel sling hook on butt. Can anyone tell me the yr of manuf.? Between Sept. 1917 to Jan. 1919.

Jim

Glock-19
January 17, 2010, 05:33 PM
I just got back from the local gun show, I bought a M66 w/ stainless sites ($425) to accompany my M66-1 in my safe. Can someone help me with the date of birth on both of my M66's?

M66: 4K578XX

M66-1: 69K66XX

jhazuga
January 17, 2010, 05:36 PM
Hello, I have a Smith and Wesson Model 39 with serial number 672xx. Could anyone help me to place a date to this pistol? Thanks.

jhazuga

laytonj1
January 17, 2010, 09:24 PM
M66: 4K578XX

M66-1: 69K66XX
4K578XX = 1974
69K66XX = 1980

I have a Smith and Wesson Model 39 with serial number 672xx. Mid 1960's is as close as I can get.

Jim

blamm123
January 17, 2010, 09:55 PM
i have a smith wesson special s/n 08444xx i am trying to find out about how old it is and any other info can you help thanks jeff

laytonj1
January 17, 2010, 10:34 PM
i have a smith wesson special s/n 08444xx
If that 0 is actually a D then D8444XX would be 1975/76.
If not, then take the serial number from the underside of the frames grip butt and include any letter prefix.

Jim

blamm123
January 18, 2010, 11:49 AM
thanks jim my eye sight not what it use to be the s/n on my model 10 is c8444xx thanks for any info you can give me jeff

FlyFish
January 18, 2010, 02:30 PM
blamm123: The "C" prefix makes it 1966-67.

nchellbilly
January 18, 2010, 03:58 PM
Hey everyone...my name is Brian.This is my first time posting here,so I thought I should introduce myself first. I've enjoyed reading the forums on here for the last few days.

I have a S&W 38 Special CTG that I just purchased from someone.I'd love to have some more info on this gun if any of you could help me. It is a Model 10-6 and is Nickel plated.Smooth wood handle.The serial number is C9746xx.
Any info would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Brian

onebadscrambler
January 18, 2010, 04:05 PM
See FlyFish's response. 1966-67 s/n range C810533-C999999

FlyFish
January 18, 2010, 04:09 PM
nchellbilly: Your Model 10 is from the same period as blamm123's: 1966 to 1967. His is toward the front of the serial number range used in those years, so 1966 is more likely - yours is toward the end of the range, so more likely 1967. The 10-6 was introduced in 1962 when S&W dropped the screw in front of the trigger guard, resulting in the so called "3-screw" configuration that is still used today. It remained in production until 1977 when the 10-8 replaced it (the 10-4/5 and 10-7 models had the tapered barrel, but were otherwise identical to the 10-6 and 10-8, respectively).

The grips on your gun are the smooth K-frame target grips (you can see that the grips are larger than the frame, covering the butt - the standard service grips left the butt exposed). They're somewhat less common than the service and checkered target grips - I have them on a couple of my K-frames and I like them very much.

carguychris
January 18, 2010, 04:26 PM
The grips on your gun are the smooth K-frame target grips (you can see that the grips are larger than the frame, covering the butt - the standard service grips left the butt exposed). They're somewhat less common than the service and checkered target grips - I have them on a couple of my K-frames and I like them very much.
FWIW the stocks are most likely not original to the gun. S&W almost never put target stocks on fixed-sight revolvers.

The original stocks should have the numerical portion of the serial number (omitting the "C" prefix) under the RH panel.

nchellbilly
January 18, 2010, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the info ya'll.
Any idea of the value of this gun ?
I only paid $150 for it.
It seems to be in great condition for a gun that old.

jabco2020
January 18, 2010, 07:22 PM
I just purchased my first s and w from and old friend and retired police officer. Im wondering if anyone could possibly tell me what year it was produced?

jabco2020
January 18, 2010, 07:23 PM
The gun is a model 28-2 calipered in .357 magnum the serial number is s32xx

onebadscrambler
January 18, 2010, 07:52 PM
jabco,
Are there a couple of more digits in the serial number? Maybe S32xxxx? I can only tell you that the 28-2 was introduced in 1961. In 1968, the diamond grips were deleted. In 1969, Serial numbers were changed to the N prefix. So somewhere between 1961 and 1969. If it is S32xxxx, then 1968-1969.

blamm123
January 18, 2010, 10:17 PM
Just wanted to say thank you for all the help i had been trying to find out the info on my 38 i tried a few diffrent gun sites and got no help sure glad i ran across the firing line again thanks for the help and have a blessed day

flyguy958
January 22, 2010, 09:24 PM
My turn please. Birth and guess at $. I have the box, gun has some signs of pitting.
.38 Chief's Special Airweight
Model 37
2" Barrel
Round Butt
Serial #3J1XXX

laytonj1
January 22, 2010, 10:04 PM
.38 Chief's Special Airweight
Model 37
2" Barrel
Round Butt
Serial #3J1XXX
1971/72.
In excellent condition with box, ~$400. With pitting, depending on where and how detracting, ???

Jim

guitar1580
January 22, 2010, 10:50 PM
Could I please get the age, and approximate value of a S&W 30-1 .32. Its in avg to very good cond. with some bluing wear. Serial # 7799XX.
Thanks,
Josh P

laytonj1
January 22, 2010, 11:05 PM
Could I please get the age, and approximate value of a S&W 30-1 .32. Its in avg to very good cond. with some bluing wear. Serial # 7799XX.Serial numbers ran from 712954 in 1961 to 826977 in 1970.
Looking at completed auctions, somewhere in the $300 - $375 range.

Jim

USCG
January 23, 2010, 12:11 AM
Hey, i figured this is as good a place as any to start the research, my father just gave me after years of waiting the .38 that was given to my great-grandfather by Boston PD as a marksmanship instructor...I believe it was right after WWI, might be as late as the early 20's...
serial # is - 253XXX
square butt
6" bbl
original wood grips, very light pitting, in some very small areas, probably 90% original bluing.

I am mostly interested in the date of production...
thanks-

laytonj1
January 23, 2010, 01:19 AM
my father just gave me after years of waiting the .38 that was given to my great-grandfather by Boston PD as a marksmanship instructor...I believe it was right after WWI, might be as late as the early 20's...
serial # is - 253XXX
square butt
6" bbl
Assuming we're talking a 6 shot... .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change. Serial numbers ran from 241704 in 1915 to 1000000 in 1942. Your SN of 253XXX is near the beginning of that run.

Jim

oldsw
January 23, 2010, 02:45 PM
Hi I am wondering if I could get some information on a SW my Dad gave me. He believes it was a Cavalry Officer's issue side arm. The serial number is: 556xxx.

Thanks for any help!

Dieselgrin
January 23, 2010, 03:59 PM
Just picked up at the gun show. 47X1X is what Year? Thanks.

breed
January 23, 2010, 04:26 PM
I'm thinking about picking a 32 s&w. Sn 262484. it has 5039 on the in side of the crane. any one know the date? many thanks.

shoot2thrill
January 23, 2010, 05:52 PM
I just aquired a model 36. This is my first S&W. Can someone date this for me? sn# 624JXX. It also has an "N" stamped on frame which I assume is nickel plated? And also "G7", what does that marking mean?

Much appreciated!

laytonj1
January 23, 2010, 11:49 PM
Hi I am wondering if I could get some information on a SW my Dad gave me. He believes it was a Cavalry Officer's issue side arm. The serial number is: 556xxx.
S&W reused the same serial numbers on different models of guns. I need a lot more info to figure out what model it is... Exact caliber markings on the barrel, any other markings on the gun and barrel, 5 shot or 6, is it a swing out cylinder or a break top (barrel/cylinder hinge down)? If it's a break top then double or single action, hammer or hammerless, does it have a trigger guard... A picture would help allot too.

M65-2. Just picked up at the gun show. 47X1X is what Year?
Should have a "D" in the serial number. Take SN from here:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/laytonj1/swstandard.jpg

I'm thinking about picking a 32 s&w. Sn 262484. it has 5039 on the in side of the crane. any one know the date?
Assuming there was no "K" prefix that serial number was used on two different models of 32. Square butt or round butt will narrow it down, see pic.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/laytonj1/SWBUTTS.jpg
I just aquired a model 36. This is my first S&W. Can someone date this for me? sn# 624JXX. It also has an "N" stamped on frame which I assume is nickel plated? And also "G7", what does that marking mean?
1971/72. As for the lone "N", I believe so. Other markings are assembly stamps.

Jim

oldsw
January 24, 2010, 04:41 AM
Quote:
Hi I am wondering if I could get some information on a SW my Dad gave me. He believes it was a Cavalry Officer's issue side arm. The serial number is: 556xxx.

S&W reused the same serial numbers on different models of guns. I need a lot more info to figure out what model it is... Exact caliber markings on the barrel, any other markings on the gun and barrel, 5 shot or 6, is it a swing out cylinder or a break top (barrel/cylinder hinge down)? If it's a break top then double or single action, hammer or hammerless, does it have a trigger guard... A picture would help allot too.

It is a 38 caliber. 6 shot. swing out cylinder. See the pictures attached.

On the right side of the barrel it says "38 s&w special ctg"
On the left side of the barrel it says "smith and wesson"
On the right side just below the cylinder it says "made in the usa"
On the left side just below the cylinder release it has the smith and wesson trade mark engraving.

Thanks again!

oldsw
January 24, 2010, 11:48 AM
i also just noticed this morning the stamp on the top of the barrel which reads:

"smith & wesson springfield mass. u.s.a
patented feb.8.06.sept.14.09.dec29.14"

thanks again

onebadscrambler
January 24, 2010, 12:55 PM
Oldsw
.38 Military and Police Model of 1905-4th change.
s/n range 241704-1000000 manufactured between 1915-1942
1934 s/n range was approx. 646994-648882 based on 25 revolvers for Coast Guard in that range.
Just guessing yours was mid to late 20's era.
Appears to be a target model with square butt.

oldsw
January 24, 2010, 03:10 PM
onebadscrambler,

thanks for the info...what does it mean that it was a 'target model'? is that a type of usage, i.e. shooting at targets? also, what does 'based on 25 revolvers for Coast Guard in that range' mean? did the Coast Guard have a specific usage here and it may have been one of those?

i may send off to Mr. Jinks for more history. this is my first foray into this type of research and find the stories of the weapons incredibly interesting.

thanks again...

Evanb
January 24, 2010, 03:36 PM
Do you have pics? Evanb@tvn.net Tell me more please. How mich are you asking for it?

onebadscrambler
January 24, 2010, 05:55 PM
Target model has adjustable rear sights and square butt frame which is what yours appears to have. Use is up to the owner.
The Coast Guard purchased 25 revolvers in 1934 and their s/n's fell into that range of numbers. The CG models were 4" barrels, blued finish, and square butt. I only mentioned them as I used them to narrow down that yours was likely produced mid to late 20's.
FlyFish and Laytonj1 are far more knowledgable than I. If they have any more info, I am sure they will share it.

Hoominaga
January 25, 2010, 03:03 PM
I was wondering if someone could reference a serial number for me; my good friends grandfather passed away a couple weeks ago leaving him 3 massive gun safes filled with rifles, handguns, and shotguns. There is one in particular his grandfather used to let me shoot that I'd like to know the date on. It is a near mint 19-3 4inch; serial number 7k33xxx. Just wondering the date on it.

scv
January 25, 2010, 03:04 PM
I have recently aquired a model 66 serial number 9K40XXX. I was wondering what age it was, and if anybody had any advice on ammunition for this gun. I have read a lot about the avoidance of 125gr. ammunition.

muskrat3
January 25, 2010, 07:14 PM
Hello all,was wondering if anyone could give me a year on a 657 no dash serial #AVF2xxx thx for any info...:)

onebadscrambler
January 25, 2010, 07:21 PM
hoominga 1975

scv 1976

muskrat3 July 1987

rtw
January 25, 2010, 08:29 PM
Please help with a date of manufacture for a S&W Model 25-5 ser.# N9396xx.

Thank you!

Can you also tell me what dimensions S&W used for chamber throat dimensions then? Thanks!

onebadscrambler
January 25, 2010, 09:25 PM
rtw
somewhere between 1982-1986. Highest known N prefix range was N97xxxx. Puts yours somewhere close to the middle.

I can not answer your second question because I have no idea.

laytonj1
January 26, 2010, 12:42 AM
I have read a lot about the avoidance of 125gr. ammunition. Shooting full power "light for the caliber" bullets can result in accelerated erosion to the forcing cone and possible accelerated flame cutting to the frames top strap due to the greater powder charges and higher velocities involved.
However, you'll have to shoot an awful lot of them for it to be an issue.
Can you also tell me what dimensions S&W used for chamber throat dimensions then?
Like Ruger and Colt, it's a crap shoot. The only way to know for sure is to measure them.
I am still amazed that there is/was such a problem standardizing the throats for .452. While the standard prior to WWII was .454 the current .452 standard has been around long enough that it should be a non issue. Some make then loose, others too tight.

Jim

mrawesome22
January 27, 2010, 09:26 AM
Can you guys help me date and get a model number off this S&W my grandfather left me? Serial number BBH4XXX. It's a 4" tapered barrel, 6 shot, 38S&W Special. It also has stamping on the back strap. RHKP 101XX. I have no clue as to what those are. Thanks guys.

EDIT: I got the model. 10-9

baines362
January 27, 2010, 10:48 AM
Could someone tell me the year my little Smith 22 was made? It's a model 43. serial # 49xxx.

Thanks

laytonj1
January 27, 2010, 01:46 PM
Can you guys help me date and get a model number off this S&W my grandfather left me? Serial number BBH4XXX. It's a 4" tapered barrel, 6 shot, 38S&W Special. It also has stamping on the back strap. RHKP 101XX. I have no clue as to what those are. Thanks guys.
1988.
RHKP = Royal Hong Kong Police. Your gun was part of a sale to Hong Kong that was later traded in towards the purchase of new guns. Those used guns were then resold thru distributors here.

Could someone tell me the year my little Smith 22 was made? It's a model 43. serial # 49xxx.
The book shows serial numbers starting at 11000 in 1955 and 52673 in 1959. So, in between there.

Jim

stator
January 27, 2010, 03:13 PM
629-3 # bkz 794x

mrawesome22
January 27, 2010, 07:01 PM
Thank you.

laytonj1
January 27, 2010, 08:44 PM
629-3 # bkz 794x
~1992.

Jim

Motownstan
January 28, 2010, 12:18 PM
Greetings, could someone please help with the DOB of my latest purchase?

Highway Patrolman Model 28-2 Serial # N259157

Thanks - Stan

FlyFish
January 28, 2010, 03:38 PM
Motownstan: 1974-77

Motownstan
January 28, 2010, 06:17 PM
thanks - FlyFish

Acrobat
January 28, 2010, 08:49 PM
I found (in my safe) a very nice 6" M&P 5 screw, Serial number C103595

Can anyne tell me when the C series began and ended and the approximate DOB?

onebadscrambler
January 28, 2010, 10:02 PM
C-prefix began in 1948.

1948-51 C1-C223998 Yours would fall into this timeframe.

The C prefix ended in 1967.

laytonj1
January 28, 2010, 10:02 PM
I found (in my safe) a very nice 6" M&P 5 screw, Serial number C103595
Can anyne tell me when the C series began and ended and the approximate DOB?
C103595 = 1948 to 1951 (C1 in 1948 to C223998 in 1951).
"C" prefix ran from 1948 to 1967 (C1 in 1948 to C999999 in 1967).

Jim

Edit: hey onebadscrambler, talk about timing...

Acrobat
January 28, 2010, 10:06 PM
Thanks guys. That was just what I was interested in.

randomoutburst
January 29, 2010, 06:58 PM
A friend of mine came across a small snub revolver and we have finally identified it as a S&W Terrier (Pre-model 38/32). I am looking to sell it but would like to know approximately when it was made. I know it was made before 1957 because it has no stamping for a model number and the gun was produced starting in 1936.
Serial number is 712XX.
Anyone willing to give me an approximate date?

Baker6x6
January 29, 2010, 07:28 PM
Hello,
I also have only one S&W in the stable.. can someone please date it? I'm thinking it was early '63-'64.
It's a K22 w/6" barrel SN= K4026xx

I am LOOKING FOR a K38 w/6" barrel of about the same manufacture so that I have a pair.. eventually I may also purchase a K32

laytonj1
January 29, 2010, 10:52 PM
A friend of mine came across a small snub revolver and we have finally identified it as a S&W Terrier (Pre-model 38/32). I am looking to sell it but would like to know approximately when it was made. I know it was made before 1957 because it has no stamping for a model number and the gun was produced starting in 1936.
Serial number is 712XX.The .38/32 Terrier (Pre-War) started production in 1936 at serial number 38976 and ran to 1940 at serial number 54474.
The .38/32 Terrier (Postwar) (pre model 32) ran from serial number 54475 in 1948 to 122678 in 1974.
To get you closer, the trigger guard screw (upper front of trigger guard) was eliminated in 1953 and the upper side plate screw was eliminated in 1955 (from 4 sideplate screws to 3).

I also have only one S&W in the stable.. can someone please date it? I'm thinking it was early '63-'64.
It's a K22 w/6" barrel SN= K4026xx
1960.
I am LOOKING FOR a K38 w/6" barrel of about the same manufacture so that I have a pair.. eventually I may also purchase a K32
Great idea, but good luck finding the K32

Jim

Baker6x6
January 29, 2010, 10:57 PM
Thanks Jim!!

Yes, I've heard they are rare... still.. having the triplets would be awesome...

randomoutburst
January 29, 2010, 11:28 PM
Jim, yes that gets me closer. It's pre-1953 then, because it does have the trigger guard screw. Wow, so it's older than I thought.
If anyone knows a little more about these I'd love to know more about them in general.

onebadscrambler
January 30, 2010, 01:12 PM
Jim,
That was my quick draw. OK, More like just luck.
Thanks for allowing me to apprentice under ya.
Danny

CC8919
January 30, 2010, 06:12 PM
I inheritied my grandfather's S&W .38 Special when he passed away in 1994. He was a mitilitary policeman in the army during WW2 and I initially thought it might be his army revolver. But having read some of the posts here, I think it is most likely a more recent model.

However, the number on the butt starts with 2D30XXX. Inside the revolver arm there is another number with 5 digits beinging with 96XXX. Also on the revolver arm, there is what looks to be an "after market" (for lack of a better word) stamp or engraving. It looks like it reads E13. But I can only read the top half of it. Are there any posts here that mention serial numbers such as this or any type of "after market" stamp/engraving. Are these things typical or can I hang on to the hope that there is something special about my grand dad's gun?

theammowaster
January 30, 2010, 07:42 PM
Just aquired a police trade in and wondering the age. Any ideas?
--thanks

laytonj1
January 30, 2010, 09:34 PM
Thanks for allowing me to apprentice under ya.
I and the other posters appreciate the help.

the number on the butt starts with 2D30XXX
That is the serial number and dates it to 1977.
The other numbers/markings are assembly numbers.

Just aquired a police trade in and wondering the age.
4506's were made from 1988 to 1999. The closest I can get is the "V" prefixes started in 1994.

Jim

Roaddawg
January 30, 2010, 09:40 PM
Hey I was wondering if someone could look up two serial numbers for me.

I have a smith 3 and a half inch victory model .38 sw. The serial number is v 490xxx. it is stamped converted by cogswell and harrison ltd. london.

the second is a top break 38 sw the serial number is 200xxx.

if anyone could give me any history i would appriecaite it. I love history and would love to know more about my two 38.

Thanks for you help.

laytonj1
January 30, 2010, 10:00 PM
I have a smith 3 and a half inch victory model .38 sw. The serial number is v 490xxx. it is stamped converted by cogswell and harrison ltd. london.
V490XXX = 1942 to 1944. The 38 S&W versions were made for British military use. Many were converted to 38 Special after the war and resold. Cogswell and Harrison was one of several doing conversions.

the second is a top break 38 sw the serial number is 200xxx. That serial number was used on two models:
.38 Double Action 3rd Model. SN's ran from 119001 in 1884 to 322700 in 1895.
.38 Safty Hammerless 4th Model. SN's ran from 116003 in 1898 to 220000 in 1907.

Jim

Roaddawg
January 30, 2010, 10:19 PM
Hey Jim thanks for the help. The second gun is the hammerless so I guess its from 1907. Wow thanks its cool to know that a gun in my safe is over 100 years old.

The victory gun is really cool too. So it could have been carried by a Britsh officer.

thanks again.

Roaddawg
January 30, 2010, 10:23 PM
Oh hey one more question how come there are no model numbers on these guns.

laytonj1
January 31, 2010, 12:22 AM
Oh hey one more question how come there are no model numbers on these guns.
S&W did not start using model numbers (and stamping them on the frame) until 1957/58. Before that they only went by names (Chiefs Special, Safety Hammerless, Military and Police, etc.).

Jim

theammowaster
January 31, 2010, 09:36 AM
thanks for reply jim

CC8919
January 31, 2010, 03:22 PM
Thanks Jim for the help with finding the year of manufacture of this revolver. I have been wondering about it for years.

Gucch
January 31, 2010, 05:11 PM
I'm putting my smith up for sale and would like to know what year it was made. #'s are 437127 gun is a 4 inch barrel and a 38 special CTG,it's 90% engraved by Kurt Jager from Mainz Germany.only other numbers on it are, 02093 on the frame and on back of crane.first set of numbers are on behind grips and on the face of the cylinder.56607

56608

56609

MalinoisFan
January 31, 2010, 05:19 PM
Great forum and a great thread. I have a SW Model 10-5 .38 snubby. Serial number is 701xx with B12 stamped underneath. Looking for its birthday. Any help would be greatly appreciated!