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Chris Phelps
January 20, 2008, 05:39 AM
Any such thing as inexpensive autos? I can find them in the $400 range, but that's a bit more than I am looking to spend on a shotgun for now.

Rigby1962
January 20, 2008, 06:08 AM
Charles Daly’s can be had for under $400 but have no idea as to their quality.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90350286

hogdogs
January 20, 2008, 12:07 PM
Considering that a new Mossberg pump is $200 than $400 for an auto is pretty much to be expected.
I think Wal-mart is selling the Mossberg for just under $400. As for the Charles Daly, I would inquire where it is made... I would rather save up for an american made gun.
Brent

Crosshair
January 20, 2008, 12:58 PM
Could look at a Saiga-12, 20, or 410. They are all available for under $400

StuMan
January 20, 2008, 03:39 PM
Stoeger, Benelli in disguise. The auto loader uses the same action as the super black eagle 1.

oldbillthundercheif
January 20, 2008, 04:33 PM
Saiga 12s are great. It took me a year to find one but I finally got out to the range with it yesterday and today. It runs like a champ with everything I have stuffed into the magazine so far, and although I have not tried birdshot I have not used the second gas setting yet so if it won't cycle with the light stuff I can just crank it over and it will probably work.

Relatively cheap, eats everything so far, the action absorbs some of the pain of 3" slugs and such, and it actually points and swings pretty well.

It's built like a tank and a full magazine of max load slugs rapid fire sure draws a lot of grins at the range.

Chris Phelps
January 21, 2008, 12:31 AM
Those Saigas look very interesting. They made them in 308, too! There are a couple of 308s listed on Gun Broker, but they are going for a bit of a tag. ($525+). The Saiga 12s don't seem to exist.

chris in va
January 21, 2008, 03:30 AM
Oh they come in all flavors. 7.62x39, 223, 308, 410, 20ga, 12.

When I get rich I'll pick up the 12. My x39 has been great.

625
January 21, 2008, 09:35 AM
Hatsan Escort

http://www.legacysports.com/products/escort/index.html

classic095
January 21, 2008, 10:55 AM
Remington makes an 1100 synthetic. Good and somewhere in your price range, $430 NIB.. Should be able to find a Used one for around 250.00 check your local gun show..

Smitty in CT
January 21, 2008, 11:07 AM
...is selling the Mossberg for just under $400...

I don't know if it's because of the popularity & reliability of the Mossberg 930's, but the prices have been creeping up... The plain black stocked ones are selling in the low $400's and the camo'd ones are pushing $450.

Dick's Sporting Goods sometimes runs some pretty good specials for the 930, a few months ago they had a 2 barrel / 2 stock combo for $398...

Remington makes an 1100 synthetic. Good and somewhere in your price range, $430 NIB..

I haven't seen a new 1100 for under $500, that's a great price!! Around here, they are well over $600!!

Chris Phelps
January 21, 2008, 03:47 PM
The point is, though, that I don't want to spend $400 on a shotty right now. (Unless I find a Siaga... those things are cool).

At the moment, I am just looking for a shotty to carry as a back-up "Just in case" weapon. I would have preferred something quicker than a pump, but pumps can be had for $160. Since chances of ever using one for what I am buying it for right now are slim... I see no point in spending a large chunk of cash for it.

At some point down the road... maybe this fall... I'll be ready for a real semi.

hogdogs
January 21, 2008, 04:26 PM
While I would love to own a mossberg auto loader... I will never feel confident using one as my "go to" defensive firearm. Just can't beat the reliability of a 500 pump em up...
Brent

jfrey123
January 21, 2008, 07:24 PM
Seem to be finding Browning Auto-5's in my area for under $300 pretty consistently...

Kind of disappointing for me, since I thought these babies were worth more when I bought mine FTF private party for $275. Thought I was getting a hell of a deal :(

Smitty in CT
January 21, 2008, 08:24 PM
...I will never feel confident using one as my "go to" defensive firearm. Just can't beat the reliability of a 500 pump em up...

I've had more Remingtons (4x), Berettas (2x), Benelli (1x), and a Browning (1x) autoloaders FTF on me than the Mossberg. Granted, I've only had the Mossbergs for two years, and in all my 30+ years I've had less than 10 FTF on any guns.

With any of today's modern autoloaders, if you can get 500 - 1,000 rounds through your gun with no failures, you can build the confidence you need, don't ever rely on a weapon you can't trust...

oldbillthundercheif
January 21, 2008, 10:37 PM
Seem to be finding Browning Auto-5's in my area for under $300 pretty consistently...


I think I need to visit Reno!

What type of Auto-5 goes for that price in your area? From what I have seen, that's even an ok price for a Japanese. If you are seeing Belgians in that ballpark that's astounding.

I'll take three.:D

hogdogs
January 22, 2008, 08:16 AM
Smitty, I admit I have limited trigger time on auto loader shotguns... The only one I owned was a Winchester (built for western auto). My son just had to have it so I bought it used for 200. That thing was the JAM-O-MATIC... High brass, low brass even EXTRA high brass FTF 2 out of 3 times!:mad:
I offed it real fast after thourough cleaning even having my knowledgeable gun guy at the shop go thru it.
Brent

Desert01
January 22, 2008, 08:35 AM
Gunbroker: NIB Mossberg 930 HS 18.5'' BBL. SEMI-AUTO (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90150178)

Not alot of used ones seem to turn up there

Smitty in CT
January 22, 2008, 11:14 AM
...Not alot of used ones seem to turn up there...

I have seen very few used 930's, period. I think that alone, speaks alot about their reliability & value.

jclayto
January 22, 2008, 11:31 AM
my local outdoor shop has a TriStar Viper Semi Auto for $249.95 NIB. I havent been able to locate much info on these but im guessing it might be a saga type gun? Looked at it in the store and it seems ok. You might want to see if you can find one of those locally and see how it feels to you.

I am going to do some more research on them

bigbuck270
January 22, 2008, 01:50 PM
I just bought a brand new mossberg 930 at wally for $430. I have not shot it yet but I have heard lots of good things and very few bad.

Chris Phelps
January 22, 2008, 03:01 PM
my local outdoor shop has a TriStar Viper Semi Auto for $249.95 NIB. I havent been able to locate much info on these but im guessing it might be a saga type gun? Looked at it in the store and it seems ok. You might want to see if you can find one of those locally and see how it feels to you.

I am going to do some more research on them

Link (http://www.tristarsportingarms.com/semi_automatics.html)


That is more my speed as far as price. :D

Not much info as far as reviews, so it looks like someone will have to take the first leap. Unless, of course, a member here already owns one.

If I can find one floating around for $249nib, I will definitely pick it up.

f8lranger4x4
January 22, 2008, 08:00 PM
I have one of those charles daly and realy like it.

Kentucky Deer Hunter
January 22, 2008, 11:50 PM
My brother bought the 12 gauge semi auto Charles Daly 1 1/2 years ago from Wally World for about $289.00. He has fired about 500 rounds through it and it has only had 2 FTF. However, this past weekend we were goose hunting and the extractor pin (?) broke on him.:o He is going to see about sending it to Charles Daly for repairs. It will be fun to see how that goes!

It does feel good in your hands, but you can definitely feel the quality difference between a Mossberg or Remington. I, myself... I'm looking at getting a Remington 11-87 or a Mossberg 935. (Gotta love those 3 1/2" magnum loads:D) If it flies... It dies...:cool:

williamd
January 23, 2008, 12:21 AM
I like 1100s and see good used ones within your target range often. Bought one at a pawn for $280. No screw in chokes, just the standard 28" mod. A bit of stock clean-up and it is a nice gun! 870s in the same range.

Ledbetter
January 23, 2008, 01:43 PM
1100's are nice if you can find one in your price range.

I am very satisfied with my Stoeger 2000.

UniversalFrost
January 23, 2008, 02:44 PM
can pick up an 1100 on gunbroker for under 350 sometimes. or a really used 11-87 for 400 or under on rare occasions.

saw a few mossbergs and a savage going for around 300.

i have been looking into the charles daly semi-auto's, but have not read any reviews on them.

I could really use a cheap semi-auto as well, so I don't have to worry if the 11-87 goes overboard anymore (actually jumped in after mine once when the wife dropped it) from then on out she only got to shoot a cheap single shot pawn shop special I have as a truck gun.

joe

Rigby1962
January 23, 2008, 03:41 PM
Heck i think I would have push her in after it :) ;)

tube_ee
January 23, 2008, 03:46 PM
(Semi-auto + reliability) - $ = used gun.

Remington 1100 or 11-87 - My brother's 20 bore 1100 has been killing birds since before man walked on the Moon. Dad's 11-87 has never let him down.

Winchester - 1400s are cheap, due to a bad rep they don't deserve. Mine's seen thousands of rounds and many, many days afield, and never failed to go bang. Winnie made other models, but I don't know them.

Browning A5 - never owned one. (Make mine a true Sweet Sixteen, thank you) A base model 12 gauge might be found for what you want to pay... or maybe not. Lots to learn about the A5, it's been around for decades, and Browning made them in tons of variations and grades, and in more than one place. All of these things affect value, none make a better or worse gun, at least that I've ever heard.

Mossberg - If their older self-loaders are up to the standards of their pumps, you can't go wrong.

Many of these companies also made "house brand" guns for Sears, Montgomery Ward, Western Auto, and others. These often had less-nice wood, but the same-quality guts, and sold (and still do) for much less than the same gun with the maker's name on it. There are plenty of websites listing who made what, and cross-referencing the seller's model numbers to the manufacturers.

There's simply no way you can get anything close to the same quality in a new gun, especially if you're low on Presidents.

Good luck!

--Shannon

Tbag
January 23, 2008, 03:51 PM
The Charles Daley will do fine if you don't use the high end loads. The Duck and Goose loads that claim 1550 fps, beat the crap out them. The CD is not designed for that type of load. That being said they will repair it with out an issue and send UPS to you home or work to pick it from you. Pesonally I'd pass on a CD and buy a used Remington or something similar. YMMV

Chris Phelps
January 23, 2008, 05:37 PM
No birdshot through my shotty. Whatever I end up with will be for Buckshot and slugs only. Primarily slugs.

roy reali
February 5, 2008, 12:10 AM
I have several semi-auto shotguns in several different brands. Only one of them has never failed to cycle any ammo. That shotgun is my Charles Daly. Weather I feed it light field loads or heavy waterfowl loads, it feeds as fast as I pull the trigger. My other autos have issues with certain brands of ammo, not my Charles Daly.

I know that one particular specimen of a gun from one particular company is not representative of all their guns, but if other Charles Daly shotguns are at all like mine, they ain't too bad for the price.