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monsterdawg725
January 3, 2008, 07:27 PM
im thinking about getting into airsoft for a little extra trigger time especially with the cost of ammo lately does anyone on here mess with the airsoft guns? im looking for a m4 style rifle and a pistol that would be electronic and have a rechargable battery. i know nothing about airsoft but i know ill get what i pay for i just dont want to get somthing i shouldnt . so whats something good to start out with? metal body or plastic? good name brand? good source for guns/gear?

Rob Pincus
January 3, 2008, 08:50 PM
MonsterD,

Here is a thread on another forum with some good thoughts and different opinions on what airsoft is good and not good for, in terms of training value:

http://lmsdefense.com/forum/index.php?topic=1720.0


*****

With that said, the higher quality the gun and the more consistent the weight and operations are to your actual firearm, the better.

-RJP

Para Bellum
January 5, 2008, 08:08 AM
We practice with airsoft G19s on a regular basis. it's the only way to practice real scenarios with drawing and shooting at moving training-partners. Do it.

tegemu
January 14, 2008, 07:08 AM
I find Airsoft to be a great training aid. I use it for my 1911's, especially for the techniques that can't be practiced at a range and to get some good sight and trigger time - and it's fun.

Derius_T
January 14, 2008, 04:46 PM
For what its worth, spend the extra money on the gas blow back metal models. They are more powerful, more accurate, and more realistic. Those cheapo battery powered plastic jobs are worthless. Might as well stop at the toy store and get one of those little pop guns with the little yellow plastic "bb's".

T. O'Heir
January 14, 2008, 05:18 PM
Airsoft guns are very expensive toys. If you want to practice with an air powered rifle or pistol, buy a good quality air rifle or handgun. Both are Olympic events that require the same trigger control, sight picture, breathing, etc. as any 'real' rifle or pistol. Airsoft isn't any of the above.
Just remember that there are match grade and lesser quality pellets. Match grade pellets aren't cheap.

Pointer
January 14, 2008, 05:54 PM
Is there such a thing as an accurate Airsoft handgun?

I have only fired one airsoft (spring type) and it was wildly off the mark...
(4 feet high at 10 yards) :rolleyes:

GLP Standard
January 15, 2008, 11:04 AM
I prefer paintball to be honest. I guess it really depends on what you're trying to get out of it. If youre looking for realism in training exercises, etc, id go with airsoft, but if youre just looking to have fun, go with paintball.

Ive never played airsoft, or even toyed with any airsoft guns, but it just seems cheap to me. Paintball on the other hand, hurts, so you're more motivated to NOT get shot. Plus, theres no question when you get hit with a paintball gun. Airsoft doesnt leave a mark, and Im sure it doesnt hurt, so it can be difficult to tell if you get shot or not.

Derius_T
January 15, 2008, 06:09 PM
Actually, some of the more powerful gas charged airsoft rifles can exceed 400fps. And shoot a 6mm solid round. (weighing between .2 to .28 grams)

Some models also shoot paint marker rounds. Some of the models are very accurate, especially the more expensive sniper rifles. Not to mention models that mimic some of the most popular automatic combat rifles of today, with the ability to shoot full-auto, with 300-500 round mags. (some like the ak's and mp5's can support 3,000 round drums)

And yeah....they hurt.

Oli
January 15, 2008, 06:16 PM
Ive never played airsoft, or even toyed with any airsoft guns, but it just seems cheap to me. Paintball on the other hand, hurts, so you're more motivated to NOT get shot. Plus, theres no question when you get hit with a paintball gun. Airsoft doesnt leave a mark, and Im sure it doesnt hurt, so it can be difficult to tell if you get shot or not.


Well it hurts a lot if you get hit by this model of airsoft (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SOFT264-63424-1801.html). It's a high-pitched kind of sting, you really know you've been hits and it's hard to keep a straight face.

rezmedic54
January 15, 2008, 06:39 PM
We have wars here all the time it's the old guys against the young till my son went into the Marines. But the better ones cost almost the price of a good used real one. The ones I have are good to 25 to 30 yards. One is elcetric other is an STI model of a 1911 thats gas blow back. In my oppion they are worth the time it will really show you if what you think you know really works in real life.

Casimer
January 15, 2008, 07:31 PM
Is there such a thing as an accurate Airsoft handgun?

Within limits. You're firing a light plastic sphere through a smooth bore. Some guns apply an artificial backspin on the bb to impart a 'magnus effect' which keeps the bb aloft longer. So no you're not going to get one hole accuracy. But they are accurate enough for many training purposes.

For instance, I have a Tokyo Marui 1911A1 that will hold ~3" for 60-70% of the shots in a series at 10yds and ~5" for 100%. This could probably be improved w/ the right bb.

aaronr8684
January 18, 2008, 05:37 PM
Look for the Green gas models. They are realistically weighted and also used by a lot of LEOs (including SWAT) for training. As said above, these are serious toys, and can get quite expensive.

-Aaron

GLP Standard
January 18, 2008, 10:37 PM
You know, I guess I shouldnt have been so quick to judge airsoft, seeing as Ive never played before. Ive just played paintball, and it was loads of fun. From what ive seen in airsoft guns, they are cheaply made (plastic) not powerful at all and not very realistic aside from looking at them from a few feet away. If Im wrong about all these, then I wouldnt mind giving it a shot. I really like the realism for training purposes. I definately wouldnt mind having an MP5

Th0r
January 19, 2008, 03:51 AM
Airsoft is great and I have quite alot of airsoft guns. Theres this new thing which is almost a type of paintball-airsoft crossover. You basically get a paintball gun that looks like a airsoft gun would. They cost from $250/£200 to purchase, which is alot more than an airsoft gun.

At the moment though, I am looking at attending a airsoft tournament in London, which looks good...

T. O'Heir
January 19, 2008, 11:37 PM
"...prefer paintball..." They're toys too. Zero equality with a real firearm.

shiky
January 27, 2008, 04:27 AM
i've played both paintball and airsoft, and while my paintball experience is all tournament style, airsoft is totally mil-sim. The pistols all operate exactly like their counterparts, but most of the rifles are not as such. if you are looking for a rifle as close to RS as possible, go with a SYSTEMA m4 or m16. they are also coming out with an mp5. These systema rifles do not go for cheap either.. i believe they are more than a thousand dollars each, but are as close to real firearms as possible.

raimius
February 1, 2008, 01:34 PM
High quality airsoft guns can be useful for training. The airsoft club at the Air Force Academy convinced the local Security Forces Squadron to evaluate their use for training. The SFS requested additional funds to buy more and standardize their use...

Simunitions and airsoft each have their pros and cons. Simunitions operate more realistically (especially for rifles), but are more expensive and carry a greater injury potential. Several simuntion rounds tore through my friend's BDUs and lodged in his back (at close range). Airsoft requires much less protective gear. Full face masks and BDUs are the most I have seen in airsoft; whereas Simuntions required vests, full helmet/neck/face protection, and groin protection. The other issue is simunition malfunctions. I have seen 2 simunition rifles malfunction (1 FTF and one double feed) during 3 short scenarios. I have only seen one airsoft gun jam (faulty, low-quality mag was the cause) out of probably over 100,000 BBs fired. Sims cost quite a bit, while airsoft BBs can be had at $12 for 5,000.

Tokyo Mauri, Classic Army, STAR, and G&G make decent airsoft rifles (usually $200-$500). The controls will be similar (although the charging handle allows access to the hop-up instead of its normal function). Gas Blowback pistols usually have identical controls/function to the real steel models. Western Arms, Tokyo Mauri, KSC, KWA, Maruzen, and Marushin are the top manufacturers (Cost: $100-$300).

skeeter1
February 3, 2008, 06:46 AM
If you want to practice with an air powered rifle or pistol, buy a good quality air rifle or handgun.

That's my advice as well. I've got one air rifle and one air pistol (and a sturdy bullet trap) for practicing in the basement. Much better, IMHO, than airsoft. The range, trajectory, accuracy, etc., of airsoft is nothing like shooting a decent airgun.

jephthai
February 12, 2008, 06:08 PM
That's my advice as well. I've got one air rifle and one air pistol (and a sturdy bullet trap) for practicing in the basement. Much better, IMHO, than airsoft. The range, trajectory, accuracy, etc., of airsoft is nothing like shooting a decent airgun.

Not so good for force-on-force training, though ;-). At least, I don't want my buddies shooting at me with a pellet gun.

-Jephthai-

Oli
February 12, 2008, 08:55 PM
make sure you dont get hit by this! (http://gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=61).

It would give a lot more motivation into being better covered than being at the wrong side of an airsoft. :D