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dalegribble
December 14, 2007, 08:55 PM
I'm sitting here watching some hunting show hunting some small deer type animals in Africa. The guy sits down with his shooting sticks, his guide ranges the animal at 250 yds. The hunter takes his shot, hits it clearly in the gut and takes off running and they say great shot, you hit him right in the shoulder. When they get to the animal you can clearly see it was gut shot.

My question is, why lie about the shot? I have been watching these shows lately and some of the things I see are amazing. Mechanical feeders in the background, fence wire in the background, saying "great shot" when it clearly wasn't, and my pet peeve, dragging the animal back to the truck without even gutting it.

Now I know they are made for TV hunting shows and I enjoy the animals and seeing the different places they hunt. It is obvious that some of these hunts are staged canned hunts. One hunt was for bears in a tree stand. It was obvious they were hunting over a year round baiting staion when a half dozen bears came in to feed at the same time. Hell, they showed one bear in the tree stand waiting for the hunters when they arrived. No wonder the TV hunters have such a high success rate.

Oh, and then there is my other pet peeve, all these hunter wearing all this expensive high tech camo clothing and then covering it with a big blaze orange vest and blaze orange hat and carrying a camo gun. Now I agree camo can be helpful and I know some states require blaze orange and I know animals are supposed to be color blind but how does adding a few hundred inches of a solid color to your body and a nice solid color for your head make that expensive camo worthwhile? Wouldn't a pair of jeans and a sweatshirt do just as well if you have to wear blaze orange?

All I'm saying is no canned hunts, quit bragging about poor shots they happen to everyone, quit trying to sell us stuff we don't need and gut and haul your own game. If you shoot it you should clean it not strap it to the hood of your truck and ruin the meat or even worse make your employees do your work. OK, rant over.

Andrew93
December 14, 2007, 09:00 PM
Agreed.

bswiv
December 14, 2007, 09:21 PM
I can't/won't watch them...........almost 40 years of the real thing, all be it in a small area of the country, and I know it ain't real. In fact I sometimes wonder if it gives the rest of us a bad name? Of course there are plenty of slobs out there doing us shame in a different way but at least we know they are hurting us................

Art Eatman
December 15, 2007, 10:42 AM
If I have such shows on, I leave the sound off. It's sorta "background scenery". Eye-candy of the outdoors and animals.

From what I've seen, the bird-hunting and fishing shows aren't as phonied up.

taylorce1
December 15, 2007, 11:06 AM
I really don't watch them much but if ol Mr Barta is on TV I'll watch. That guy just makes me laugh. He is good entertainment even if he has a couple of screws loose. He rarely gets his intended target as well.:D

FirstFreedom
December 15, 2007, 01:15 PM
Barta, though entertaining, is an idgit of the highest order. I saw him take a 50 yard shot with a longbow at RUNNING caribou. Of course he missed. He also made a big fuss about what a macho primitive manly man we was for killing a hog with a knife on a guided hunt. But it's not like it was mano a swino - the pig was totally immobilized with 3 dogs pinning him down and the guide holding its back legs. :rolleyes:

Go here if you want to talk or complain about the hunting shows on Versus channel (formerly OLN):

http://ww3.versus.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=4

Last night on Versus on a show called simply "Dangerous Game" I came off very incensed at the fact that these two ol boys, after killing a grizzly bear with a rifle and tracking/finding it, made no qualms about the fact that they *packed out the hide and head and left the meat/carcass behind!!* Just amazing and incredibly outrageous to my way of thinking. :barf: :barf: How do they live with themselves or even think about calling themselves hunters?

I like Art's idea about leaving it on with no sound as "background scenery" and not listening to their guided "hunts" and other stupid stuff - as long as I'm not hooked up to a Nielson box where I'm helping their ratings- think I'll try that.

But lookit, SOME of them show good actual fair chase hunts where the animal's meat is utilized, etc., which are very enjoyable to watch, Eastman's Bowhunting Journal being one of the good ones.

44capnball
December 15, 2007, 02:39 PM
They got their target audience all wrong. They think we just want to see somebody shoot an animal. If we wanted to see that we could go to the slaughterhouse.

They need to also stop looking like a bunch of Bubba's and making dumb statements. and doing dumb things. A gut shot or a leg shot is not a "good shot". Either edit these out or just don't do it.

I'd rather watch a hunt where they go around and get nothing, than see them shoot some drugged animal thats pinned down by 10 dogs. I like to see the people get geared up for their hunt, choose their spot, and do it right, even if they don't see any game.

Some, and I say SOME of the hunting video's on you tube are better than the TV ones. There is a couple good turkey hunt videos on there. But there was a couple TV shows were not only I but a lot of other hunters saw what they did and wanted to throw down the gloves with those idiots.

taylorce1
December 15, 2007, 02:42 PM
Last night on Versus on a show called simply "Dangerous Game" I came off very incensed at the fact that these two ol boys, after killing a grizzly bear with a rifle and tracking/finding it, made no qualms about the fact that they *packed out the hide and head and left the meat/carcass behind!
Where were they hunting grizzly at? I know after a certain point in the year in AK you are not required to salvage the meat I think it is around June 1. I don't know if Canada has the same rules or not. While you might find it distasteful and I'm not in total disagreement with you it might have been perfectly legal. I'm sure that was the case because they sure wouldn't video tape them doing something illegal and then air it on TV.

I know that when I shot my black bear in AK although I wasn't interested in the meat I found quiet a few locals who were. The were all very happy to see me coming with free meat. I was hunting when all edible meat had to be recovered as well as the trophy.

Boris Bush
December 15, 2007, 03:19 PM
These shows are terrible! Rich bubba watches, goes out and buys a way too short supper whizzer .329 ultra magnum, shoots it right behind the shoulder, deer runs off and they show them recover it well after dark..........

The largest caliber I use is a 7.62x39mm and shoulder shots, no run and no recovery way after dark.

They emphasize too much on food plots and scores and advocate poorly placed shots that require more time for an animal to die with way too longrange supershort ultra more power dum dum magnums so the animal will die qucker when they take a bad shot...........

Heck I aint even killed a deer with a scope yet, and my longest kill on a 207 pound 6 point whitetail was with a 12 guage at over 700 yards....... Ya see I was in the shotgun zone and closed the gap to 88 yards. One shot and he went 2 feet straight down. That is hunting.........

RJM
December 15, 2007, 03:58 PM
I find them to be lame and I lump fishing shows in among them. Basically what they are is a half hour devoted to selling goods that people don't need. I get very bored with each and every one that I watch so I pretty much have stopped watching. I think the Barta character makes the show at least somewhat entertaining, but he gets old quick.

They got their target audience all wrong. They think we just want to see somebody shoot an animal. If we wanted to see that we could go to the slaughterhouse.

I fully agree. I really hate watching a 1/2 hour of birds being shot out of the sky or deer getting shot at feeders. Give me some substance please.

FirstFreedom
December 15, 2007, 05:41 PM
Someone on another forum made a good point: If these guys were actually "pros" (i.e. top notch hunters), then they wouldn't need to hunt on a ranch with very little to no hunting pressure, now would they? (for those type of shows, that is). If they were good hunters, they'd show us how they go out on highly pressured public hunting lands and still bag the big one that no one else can.

Rembrandt
December 15, 2007, 05:46 PM
Some years ago I did a spot on one of these TV shows covering sporting clays. Had no idea I would be on, the host hands me a shotgun and pretends to teach me the techniques to breaking clays. Camera is rolling and I miss about half the targets. When the show appeared on TV I was breaking every target....all the misses ended up on the editing floor. Had to laugh how they can portray any image they want. Remember it's only TV for entertainment.....and nothing more.

roy reali
December 15, 2007, 05:55 PM
My favorite hunting show was Hunting With Hank. To those of you unfamiliar with this program, Hank was a dog. He was an English Stter. His human companion was Dez Young.

The technical quality of this show seemed superior to most other hunting type shows. Also, Mr. Young is what could be considered a gentleman hunter. A couple times he even held off on shooting a flushed bird because he felt he had bagged enough of them. Overall, I feel that he was a good ambassador for our sport.

dalegribble
December 15, 2007, 06:56 PM
Last night on Versus on a show called simply "Dangerous Game" I came off very incensed at the fact that these two ol boys, after killing a grizzly bear with a rifle and tracking/finding it, made no qualms about the fact that they *packed out the hide and head and left the meat/carcass behind'

yeah, i saw that too and it was the guide not the hunter that carried the trophy. i also saw jeff foxworthy take a shot at a deer and get cut by the scope. he was standing there bragging about the shot and his deer with blood dripping down his nose. too much gun i guess.

there is an interesting guy that hunts with a long bow, wooden arrow with stone tips. he sems to hunt in the wild, he took a moose at about 8 yards and took the meat out with him. some shows are better than others.

44capnball
December 15, 2007, 11:35 PM
But lookit, SOME of them show good actual fair chase hunts where the animal's meat is utilized, etc., which are very enjoyable to watch, Eastman's Bowhunting Journal being one of the good ones.

Yep there's some good ones. Seen a couple good shows on Outdoor Channel or Outdoor Network or whatever that is called, that were good. There was a turkey hunter on there who passed up a lot of shots, he waited until he got the closest range for a shot and took it. Turkey, on the table! The tom went down quick, like they should.
I'm not good on names, the show was on tonight I think about 10:30.

The guys wife was using a 20 gauge and she passed up a couple chances because she was waiting for the bird to get less than 30-35 yards. A good hunt. That was a good show, promotes responsible hunting.

The Tourist
December 15, 2007, 11:47 PM
I agree here.

In fact, my wife and I want to start a drinking game called "Winkelman."

Everytime you heard the phrase "good fish," you have to take a shot of tequila.

Huntzalittle
December 16, 2007, 07:46 AM
Its Amazing what gets broadcasted on TV as hunting. :D

Kreyzhorse
December 16, 2007, 08:19 AM
I can rarely stomach watching those shows. Most of my distaste is caused by the reaction of the "hosts" after they shoot something. I can do without the fist pumping and the verbal descriptions such as "I just SMOKED him!" To me, I can't help but think that most of these hunts are canned and I doubt the effort that was really put into hunting the animal. Shooting fish in a barrel or deer in a pen isn't much sport.

ClassicSWC
December 17, 2007, 09:51 AM
The vast majority are garbage and they do a tremendous disservice to the sport. That's why we have trophy restrictions in Pa. now. New hunters or even some veterans see the shows and think that hunting on public land can be the same. Yeah, right. Hunting isn't about having a record buck tied to every tree.

I especially like when they are hunting in the broad daylight, take a shot (that is always a "great shot") but when you see the hunter with the animal it's dark out. Guess they had some tracking to do but didn't want to fess up to it.

I always like the ones who hunt out of treehouses that are nicer than my hunting camp. Nothing like being one with nature.

davlandrum
December 17, 2007, 12:42 PM
Oh, and then there is my other pet peeve, all these hunter wearing all this expensive high tech camo clothing and then covering it with a big blaze orange vest and blaze orange hat

Dale - I guess I fit that description. My best cold weather/wet weather gear is camo (I bow hunt as well), so during rifle season, I throw a break-up blaze vest and hat on over the camo.

The camo ain't a fashion statement for me, it just happens to be the best stuff I have.

dbgun
December 17, 2007, 12:54 PM
I like watching the World of Beretta, when Gerald McRaney is hunting. He doesn't seem to mind, them showing him miss the animal he's shooting. Seems pretty honest, to me. They showed him missing at a Boar. He was pretty winded by the time the guide got him to the spot where he could take a shot. It was funny watching him miss, but at least it showed even a host can miss a long shot and not make any excuses afterwards.

Lawyer Daggit
December 17, 2007, 01:01 PM
Some mates of mine went hunting on a block in New Zealand- they do it tough, renting the block, carrying supplies in and basically doing the trip themselves and stalk all game.

The chopper pilot they hired also captures deer on occasion for a game ranch, one deer captured was pretty battered and bruised by the experience and the pilot knew that there was a party of journalists going to the game ranch that he also flies for. He wound up going to the vets, drugged the deer up, they then left it under a particular tree on the property.

Our big white hunter and guide (the latter of course knowing where to look) stumbled upon this hapless animal that could barely rise groggily rto its feet for big white hunter to shoot it.


This type of thing is shameful and I think gives us a bad name.

Buzzcook
December 17, 2007, 02:34 PM
Hunting is boring, unless you're there.
Kinda like golf.

Here's 80% of my hunting stories all rolled into one.
I set up down wind, sat on my butt till I saw a deer with a rack, and then shot the deer. The end.

Remember I get the film rights.

17ghk
December 17, 2007, 07:15 PM
I saw a little of that show where a bear was in the hunters tree stand. I think it was a woman and a man hunting with muzzle loaders in the same stand together. The deer these people shoot are always on the last day in the last hour of light. They waited 2 months for the wind to be right to hunt this stand. The last deer they see is always the one they were looking for. I like the show penns woods I think it is called. I do not see it on anymore, but there was alot of hunting on public land taking does and average bucks. When I first started to hunt I liked watching them, but I cant watch them much anymore. Somtimes I turn one on thinking it might be different. No hunting really just climbing into a pre-hung stand on a ranch, 5 seconds of waiting on tv then the kill shot.

davlandrum
December 17, 2007, 07:37 PM
I went to an local elk conference and 2 of the speakers made their own hunting videos. Remote, hard hunting - just the two of them. Quality of video was sketchy sometimes, but you could tell these guys were doing it the right way.

They made the mistake of showing an easily identified place on public land. They were contacted by the State and told to cease and desist (gave them a stern warning for the one slip up, if I recall). They were told they could continue by paying a fee and posting a huge bond and jumping through a lot of hoops. Seems the state does not like people makng money on thier land without a piece of the action. Bond was "in case we have to rescue you".

Might explain why so many of the shows are on private land.

NOWUS
December 17, 2007, 07:54 PM
Only Think worse than a 'Canned' Hunt, Is The High '5's" after the Kill
Makes Me Sick....

Sgt.Fathead
December 18, 2007, 12:44 AM
New to hunting animals, just these past two seasons for deer with shotgun in NJ, I watched a few of these shows and quickly came to a conclusion; they are good to watch to check out new gear but if I wanted hunting skills or techniques, I would keep asking seasoned hunters my ignorant questions and continue reading all the hunting books I could find.

I haven't learned a thing from TV in general that I'd consider valuable.

NRA4life
December 18, 2007, 02:34 PM
BuzzCook,

That made me laugh. We stand hunt in MO (OK, I don't care if anyone likes it or not) due to the limited amount of land I own. When I get back some of my coworkers want to hear the story. Here's how it goes. O-Dark_thirty, climbed in stand, 0700, deer walks up, 0700 plus 5 seconds, deer dead. End of story. We don't even take any pictures of most of them anymore.

But back to the subject at hand, I make time to watch Jim Schockey. I like his show, he's honest, it's fair chase and he seems like a down to earth kind of guy. He hunts only with muzzleloader as well. And he most always gives a great explanation of post-kill and meat hauling.

davlandrum
December 18, 2007, 04:04 PM
There is also the TV factor:

The guys I know that I consider good hunters would be lousy on TV. I can't even imagine trying to hunt and have a camera man on my hip.

The guys who get the shows are guys that are good on TV and can hunt, not neccesarily the "best" hunters.

dalegribble
December 18, 2007, 06:59 PM
"Only Think worse than a 'Canned' Hunt, Is The High '5's" after the Kill
Makes Me Sick...."

I know, those hi 5's and laughs make me sick along with the comments of how beautiful the animal is (was). If the animal was so damn beautiful how can they pop a cap on it? I understand hunting, I understand trophys, I just don't understand the need for 50 heads on a wall, not taking care of the meat and letting someone else gut, clean and haul your 'TROPHY". I'll bet some of the hunters won't even eat wild game but if they do I don't believe they need 5 or 10 or 20 animals a year to feed thier families.

Someone said that hunting shows are as boring as watching golf. That is just so wrong on so many levels. Seeing wild game and wild country is so much better than watching grown men chasing a little white ball around. I'll take up golf when they let you use a rifle instead of a club. I guess there are similarities tho, a caddy is like a guide, they carry your stuff around, tell you how to take the shot, what the distance is etc. Me, I'll take huntings anytime.

FirstFreedom
December 24, 2007, 10:04 AM
High fives? I don't have a problem with it. Why not? I too am happy and exhilirated (sp?) when I make a kill...what's the problem?

Comments on how beautiful the animal is? Also don't have a problem with that. I do the same thing. The animals are beautiful to me, even plain old does. That doesn't mean I'm not going to harvest them.

What I have problems with are (1) Hunting on private ranches and pretending to be a good hunter, or hunting in smallish fenced areas and claiming to be a hunter, (2) this is the big one - not taking the meat, or being more focused on the trophy than the hunt itself and/or the meat, and (3) making unethical shots at too long of ranges for the condition, or on running game. :barf:

One time they actually showed some arse-clown taking a shot at a pronghorn at over 200 yards with a muzzleloader, and the animal was walking. He missed of course. Disgusting - could have wounded the animal easily.

Art Eatman
December 24, 2007, 10:46 AM
FF, I dunno 'bout you, but I wasn't born an expert hunter. For me, hunting was a part of growing up, and something I worked danged hard for, as to opportunity for a place and for time to hunt.

Then there are city folks who never had access to a country place. Never grew up with a .22 of their own. Never even thought about hunting until on up in their twenties or thirties.

Without the easy hunts, how are they gonna learn? NFL pros aren't walkons from Joe's Bar&Grill, with no experience. Ignorance is curable, but the learning process must begin somewhere.

And even just sitting in a box blind beats heck out of sitting behind a desk and dreaming with a bunch of regret about what never happened...