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rantingredneck
December 12, 2007, 10:40 PM
We had a power outtage tonight. About 2 and a half hours it was down. About a half hour into it I started hearing coyotes, which isn't unusual in and of itself, but the number of howls and yips I heard was pretty unsettling. They also sounded closer than they normally do. I live in a small subdivision but it's out in the country (if that makes sense) so coyotes are a fact of life for us here. We hear them just about every night, but tonight it almost seemed like the lack of house lights and street lights put them more at ease and on the prowl. I told my wife that I imagine some housecats and small dogs may turn up missing by morning.......

Anyone else heard/seen an increase in coyote activity when the lights are out???

gobblerkid25
December 12, 2007, 11:15 PM
ranting my house is surrounded by cornfields but im about 300 yards from town and they come around here all the time. you hear them howling and yipping its kind of eary.
so yep you guessed it, ive got one of my 870s with a turkey choke and some buckshot sittin by the basement door to greet them if they decide to come a knockin :)

clem
December 12, 2007, 11:25 PM
If you can, shoot a few. Then the pack should avoid your property/house.

FrontSight
December 12, 2007, 11:27 PM
sounds like an excellent place to have a trapper's license!

tplumeri
December 12, 2007, 11:37 PM
Clem has the right idea. I'm 2 miles from town on 15 acres, surrounded by farmland. used to be packs of em running in/around my place. never could get close enough to em for a clean shot. so i shot a rabbit and used it as bait. nailed two of em at dusk almost a year ago. hardly ever hear or see any around anymore.

rantingredneck
December 13, 2007, 12:55 AM
Unfortunately, the way our property runs I don't really have a safe backstop to shoot any, unless they come right out in the front yard (lotsa trees twixt us and the road). I doubt they'd come close enough for an arrow either. That all being said, I don't go outside at night without a handgun.

bclark1
December 13, 2007, 03:02 AM
if you're worried about evening discharges, there are airguns that could most definitely brain a coyote. arrows too. if you have lots of disposable income, get a suppressed 22 mag. all that's probably going a bit into the outfield for your purposes though :D

rantingredneck
December 14, 2007, 12:51 PM
Yeah, usually they are some distance away in the woods and I don't worry so much about them. My kids don't play outside without me or my wife out there with them. We don't have any small pets to worry about either. I just accept it as part of living in the country (which I've done most of my life anyways).
It was sort of strange to hear the increase in activity when the power was out. Makes sense when you think about it, but it kinda caught me off guard at the time. Made me glad to be indoors. :D


By the way, my neighbor asked me this morning if I'd seen her cat. Seems it's been missing a couple days..........

clem
December 14, 2007, 02:31 PM
"
By the way, my neighbor asked me this morning if I'd seen her cat. Seems it's been missing a couple days.........."

Her cat is now in the local "food chain", to bad.

Cats & small, sometimes large dogs, are sure targets for coyotes. I keep my cats in, not just because of the coyotes but because of the great horned owls too.

JBriggs
December 14, 2007, 03:05 PM
NC now has coyotes all over the place! Could hardly believe it when I saw my first one. But boy are they fun to hunt-smart and stealthy and fast as all get out. Had to start hunting them because they were eating chickens by the hundreds from my friend's chicken houses. They are worse than bears when it comes to breaking into things for food.

Sgt.Fathead
December 14, 2007, 03:13 PM
I received an interesting letter in September of this year from the New jersey Div. of Fish and Game regarding the coyote population in the state and specifically in our county, central NJ, Monmouth County. This past year, quite a few domestic pets were missing hereabouts and three children were attacked in separate incidents, in broad daylight, while playing in Middletown, about a 30 minute drive from me.

The letter asked that all deer hunters shoot and kill EVERY coyote they see and then bring them un-skinned, undressed to a substation in Morganville, NJ for a field study. Morganville is over an hour from my house and more then three from the property I hunt. Regardless of that, we are seeing more and more of them in the neighborhood and roadkilled on the local county routes.

My neighbors had several chickens go missing last year and solved their problem quickly by spotlighting the sneaky critters and head shooting them with the afore mentioned suppressed .22 which not a soul in the neighborhood minded. Shows how smart they are that they know where they are not only unwanted but targeted.

Saw not a one hunting and didn't expect to.

rantingredneck
December 14, 2007, 03:42 PM
I haven't seen any hunting this year, but have heard a couple in the distance while deer hunting. Last year I killed three and two more the year before. All while deer hunting. Maybe they've moved on from my hunting spot at least.

I read about those child attacks in NJ, Sarge. They were a bit scary for me personally as I have a 7 year old and a 2 year old (well he'll be three next month). I'd hate the idea of my 7 year old daughter fighting a yote off my 2 year old son.......

crowbeaner
December 14, 2007, 04:46 PM
I heard a pack while I was deer hunting this year. They made a lot of noise until they got near me. Obviously they know what humans and guns mean. After they got by my stump they got back into their caroling. I never did see them but wish I had. Every one I shoot is one more deer that may make it through the winter. I don't have coyote steaks in the freezer. CB.

TINCUP AL
December 14, 2007, 05:58 PM
Coyotes aren't really going to hurt anybody. They might get a small pet or two if left outside. I have them in my yard all the time. Sometimes at night, they come in close to the house and I can look out and see them playing with my dog. I know that sometimes a pack can gang up on a dog, but they don't seem to bother mine. We do get a few cats come up missing from time to time. If they become a real problem, then I'll shoot a few, but for several years now, they have been ok. Just my opinion.

tplumeri
December 14, 2007, 06:48 PM
TIN CUP, youre a better man than I......my dogs have chased a few in their day but anything more than 2 on 1 is dangerous for all but the largest dogs.
plus when they get in close like that it upsets my horses.
thats why the winchester stays at the front door.
merry christmas all
tom

rantingredneck
December 14, 2007, 07:24 PM
Coyotes aren't really going to hurt anybody

Tell that to the parents of those kids in NJ that got attacked. Luckily none were killed but it wasn't for lack of the coyotes trying.

TINCUP AL
December 14, 2007, 09:49 PM
I guess the point that I was trying to make is that everyone seems to be getting all worked up over some coyotes. Now maybe back east they are a big deal, but here out west, there are just so many of them, that we are just kinda use to them. Sure they have spooked my horse a few times,but I just run them off. A pack of domestic dogs can attack a kid or even an adult for that matter. It doesn't have to just be coyotes, but sure it can happen. As for my dog, yes it is unusual, but my dog is also a good sized siberian husky. the joke around this area is that we're all sure there must be a few coyotes running around out here with one blue eye. ( to match my dog's ). So yeah, they can be reason for concern, but just not that big a deal. We do shoot alot of them out here though. Like I said earlier, it's just my opinion. Everybody has one. Good luck.

tplumeri
December 14, 2007, 10:03 PM
Al,
understand what youre saying. grew up in NY. would have had the neighborhood watch passing out guns if a coyote was spotted back there!
not overly concerning here in kansas, just another problem i dont need.
besides, if a coyote got one of the wifes dogs or chickens id never hear the end of it :)

TINCUP AL
December 14, 2007, 10:37 PM
tplumeri- I hear you. My wife tends to get a little upset when a cat comes up missing.

fisherman66
December 14, 2007, 10:58 PM
I've never view song dogs as a threat to humans. I'm sure there are exceptions, but typically only rabid or sick ones pose a threat. I'll shoot 'em if I'm wrapping up a hunting session, but I'm not about to send one to doggie heaven in the middle of a deer or hog hunt. Speaking of hogs, they are getting a prolific as 'yotes down here. They will usually turn tail if they catch scent, but they bother me from a safety perspective slightly more so than 'yotes; which isn't really saying much. We have had a run in with a big tom cougar on family land a couple years ago. That gave me the heebie jeebies. Another cougar was shot in the adjacent county near that same time. If I recall correctly it tipped the scales well over 200lbs and made the local paper.

Art Eatman
December 15, 2007, 10:48 AM
Coyotes prey on lambs, kids, fawns--so a small child would be a logical target. I've yet to read or hear of any attack on an adult human, even by a group of coyotes.

fisherman66
December 15, 2007, 11:39 AM
In most rural locals coyotes have had enough contact with humans to know their stink and associate that stink with death. I'm not cavalier enough to say a child is immune to attack, but I don't imagine many human kids of prey size are unattended in the wild. I've seen your beautiful spread in one picture you posted Art. Your area might just qualify as the last bastion of coyotes who have been able to avoid enough contact to inspire deathly fear; then again I don't doubt you have had a few in your crosshairs. I don't think I have underestimated them as only a nuisance that affect me only by sharing the common food supply.

44capnball
December 15, 2007, 01:59 PM
One time I was at a friend's house, I still don't know how he saw that 'yote out the window but he spied it a good 400 yards from the house. He took out his .22-250 with a jumbo scope. Well that coyote saw him with it, from that far. It took off, looking back every so often. Lost shot, so my buddy handed me the rifle and I got a quick glimpse. Sure enough it was a coyote.

Seems they know the shape of a gun from a long ways away. Like crows, only better.


edit.....
I forgot, you were talking about the dark. Well I'd wager they know they are safer when the houses go dark. They get shot at in the daytime and they get shot at when there's bright lights on them. They know where they don't get shot at much, which is, when it's dark and real close to houses.

Mainah
December 15, 2007, 04:33 PM
Golden Retrievers have attacked way more kids than coyotes. Here in Maine the wolves and cougars are gone, we paved the way for coyotes. I hear them all the time, they're tracks run through the snow on my property. But I keep my cats inside and my dogs are only outside when they're with me.

If I had livestock to protect I'd shoot coyotes, and I've got nothing against those who shoot them for sport. But I admire coyotes, and I sure don't mind sharing my land with them.

rantingredneck
December 15, 2007, 08:50 PM
When I got home from hunting today there was a flyer in our mailbox. Seems another neighbor's cat has gone missing :eek:

azsixshooter
December 15, 2007, 09:11 PM
I was out in the desert with a buddy of mine Thursday night watching the Geminids meteor shower. We were standing there having some coffee and listening to music and looking at the sky when I noticed a large dark form about 15 ft away from my friend. I nudged him and motioned towards the yote and he got all scared. I clapped my hands once and it boonied off, but my buddy was really skiddish after that. He got his 1911 out of the truck and kept looking behind him every now and then. I waited about an hour until he seemed a little more relaxed and while he was telling a story about some girl I snapped my attention to a spot behind him and pointed and yelled "JON LOOK OUT!"

hahahahah, he just about jumped out of his skin!

44capnball
December 15, 2007, 11:39 PM
I waited about an hour until he seemed a little more relaxed and while he was telling a story about some girl I snapped my attention to a spot behind him and pointed and yelled "JON LOOK OUT!"

I take it he had put away his 1911 by then :D

Art Eatman
December 16, 2007, 08:46 AM
In the back country some fifteen mile northwest of my house, the coyotes don't really know what people are. Not many people go back there, even during hunting season. I've called coyotes up to the truck in mid-afternoon, and they often just run around the truck looking for the magic rabbit.

I watched a coyote slink through the yard one day, stalking toward the clock feeder. A dozen or so blue quail and some doves were at the feeder. The doves flew; the quail backed off and watched. Ol' Wily stopped some fifteen feet from the quail. A bit of stare-down, and the quail spread into a semi-circle and started walking toward the coyote. I could tell from the way their heads bobbed that they were doing the "Cheep-jonk" call. Wily just watched for a moment, seemed to shrug, and walked off down the driveway past the garage.

castnblast
December 17, 2007, 12:53 PM
Coyotes don't bother me much, but I've stuck a few bullets in them because they will do a number in large packs to baby calves. What do scare the begizies out of me are packs of Javelina, aka Collared Peckary. These guys are often called "hogs" but are not. They get up to about 60lbs live weight, look like a hog, but aren't, and have teeth that will rip you to shreads. Their eyesight sucks, but accidentally walk into a pack while bird hunting, and you'll have some torn up dogs, or torn up you. My dog last year got out the back fence. I heard her yelping, and she was being chased by 6 of em. Couldn't find my shotgun shells so I ran out w/ a bow and arrow...Stuck 3 of them in the gut, before getting them off my dog. 2 weeks later, 150 stitches, and $900.00, my dog was better. Had I not lived so close to the vet, she would have blead out. She was ripped open from her anus to her vagina. Her right leg had a 6" gash. I told the neighbors who's kids had been chased, and called the city. They didn't do anything, so I baited them and took a bunch (10) out one by one, w/ my bow and a spotlight. Killed two w/ one shot w/ an arrow. My wife was my wittness.

Buckwacker
December 17, 2007, 07:39 PM
Last weekend a hunting buddy shot a doe and it fell dead into a creek on a small mass of land. He hiked back to the barn to get his truck and spent less than an hour away from the deer. By the time he returned the biggest part of a back leg was chewed off. It had chewed up bone and all. The doe had other chewed on body parts as well. He must have scared them off with his truck. He did not see a one. I saw the deer and I can tell you that the coyotes meant business.

456-SGT
December 19, 2007, 12:12 AM
I was just getting ready to post a question about electronic predator calls when I saw this original post. Funny that you mention coyotes and lights going out. I have a story which is almost identical, but it resulted in my dog being ripped up and me shelling out $900 to keep her alive.

A little over a year ago, we had a power outage right at dusk. My wife was in cooking dinner (gas stove) and the boys were sitting at the table playing some electronic devices of some sort. I decided to let the dog (a 18 pound rat terrier) out to run before dinner. She does not go far, but she likes to get out of the kennel after her dinner and get a good sniff in if you follow what I am saying.

Right about the time dinner was almost ready, I heard her bark rapidly right by the back slider door. I heard the barking accelerate away from the house and I could tell she was in hot pursuit. Thinking she would keep running, as she does when chasing varmints or cats, I went out the front door to call her home. I had grabbed a flashlight on the way out, and I could not see her. After calling a couple of times, I see a coyote run out of the creek bed in front of my home. Then my dog comes hobbling out with her throat fully exposed and blood dripping everywhere.

I doubled back, called to the wife to wrap the dog in a towel and apply pressure to her throat. I went for my old Mossy and collected some 00 buck. The last time I saw the coyote, it was jogging away from our house. When I went back outside to look for it, the darned thing had doubled back and was in our driveway. I try to jamb a couple of shells into the gun, it proceeds to haul a** faster than I could get loaded. I got a couple in and cycled both of them, mostly for effect but hoping to find an obliterated dog the next morning. No such luck.

This all happened with the power out. We have coyotes (and mountain lions) with some regularity here. This is the first time I have ever had a problem with my animals, though. Well, not counting the cats that have all lost their lives in combat. But cats don't count. Plus predatory birds (hawks and owls) keep those numbers thin, too.

Lastly, I never thought I would pay $900 for a dog. But dangit if it wasn't about the easiest thing to do when I saw her all ripped up and in pain. Just like a family member, I did not even contemplate the cost (and that much scratch would buy a helluva nice new .22-250 for coyote hunting!).

FrontSight
December 19, 2007, 01:35 AM
Some of these stories make your hair stand up. And how could I forget to mention this, I may have posted elsewhere...saw a Coyote a couple of months ago or so...near my house...IN DA BRONX :eek:

HUGE sucker, healthy looking as all hell, about a 3 minute jog away from a very reidential area.

I reported it to DEC but no word back. I know they come down every once in a while (central park!) but still, so wild to see one.

Art Eatman
December 19, 2007, 10:34 AM
I've used the Burnham tape in a baby boom-box to call a few coyotes. Mostly, though, I just use a mouth call. The wounded jackrabbit seems to work well around Texas. Coyotes do get educated, though, and varying with a cottontail call helps.

A buddy of mine at Terlingua GhostTown went outside to see about some noises in the yard. About a dozen javelina. His dog, Bam Bam, came out, spotted the javelina, and sailed in after them. After running off this pack, Bam Bam came proudly strutting back.

Bam Bam is a Chihuahua with the heart and soul of a Dire Wolf.

LonelyAtTheTop
December 19, 2007, 04:44 PM
456-SGT.

I have 4 RT's and we also live in an area frequented by coyotes. If we hear coyotes nearby they stay inside. I hope your dog is doing ok. I love my RT's. On the other hand, we have also rescued a lab, a boxer mix, a pure blooded heeler, and a junk yard dog who raise a stink when the yipping starts. This is dairy farm country so the coyotes are fearful of human contact due to being shot at by the dairymen. They are eery to hear but often they will go silent if I just shout or clap my hands.

We also had a little fun with a feral pig last month as the persimmon tree in my yard was ripening. At dusk returning from a walk with all seven of the pack minus the heeler who was nursing a broken nail, a 200lb boar (no tusks) who had been eating dropped persimmons alerts the first RT. Before I could get inside to the shotgun, the dogs all pile into the woods after the pig. Barking, squealing, and general mayhem ensues for a few minutes including my Fiest/RT mix getting launched out of the tree cover before dashing back in. I just knew the dogs were going to be shredded. Three rounds of #3 buck fired away from the dog/pig drama into the rear of the property's tree line and the dogs break off the attack, the pig ambles down the fence line of my neighbor back into the cutover area left from Katrina. My neighbor saw the pig leaving and having heard the shotgun called to see what happened. None of the dogs had a mark on them. That was the first time in nearly thirty years living here anything like that happened.

I even had time to put on some ear muffs before firing. :)

I'm now shopping for a Marlin 336. Just in case.

LATT

clem
December 19, 2007, 05:23 PM
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b213/clemdoggie/bbb.jpg

Javelina can put a hurt on your puppies!

rantingredneck
December 19, 2007, 06:10 PM
I was just getting ready to post a question about electronic predator calls when I saw this original post.

I haven't really got into electronic calling heavily yet. I have a couple of handheld electronics, but haven't had much opportunity to use them in the year I've owned them. The best call I've found for yotes where I hunt is the Primos "Can" doe in estrous bleat. I don't know what the yotes think it is (kinda sounds like a sick calf) but they come running to it. Killed three last year responding to that call. Trouble is I was deer hunting at the time. Oh well, dairy farmer whose land I hunt don't like yotes. Every one I shoot goes toward guaranteeing me an invite back the next year.

I haven't seen any this deer season, but I've heard a couple in the distance. I also haven't hunted as much this year due to my back injury either.

rantingredneck
December 19, 2007, 06:12 PM
Javelina can put a hurt on your puppies!


Those things do look ill-tempered.

ZeroJunk
December 19, 2007, 06:31 PM
Hey RR , I'm about 50 miles west of you, I think. I'm curious about the howling habits of coyotes. They used to wake me up 2 or 3 times a week. Now,I hardly hear them at all. Know they are here because they set the cameras off, sometimes 3 or 4 at a time. But, they are quiet.

rantingredneck
December 19, 2007, 06:52 PM
It comes and goes here. We go three or four nights without hearing them sometimes and then will hear them every night for weeks. Just depends. I don't know much about their habits and how weather or other factors may affect them. Haven't noticed any real pattern to it either. Usually when the neighbors' dogs start raising sand If I listen hard I can hear the yotes down the road in the woods. The other night during the power outage it seemed like they were howling from the neighbor's yard!. (hence the cat going missing :D)

I'm in southeastern Alamance Co. bout 2 miles from Orange Co. and 4 miles from Chatham.

vts
December 22, 2007, 05:43 PM
Her is a few articles about coyote attack

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?id=664a6010-6cf6-4417-9957-bb32e95c2f6f&k=99602

http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm

I think i would worry more abut dogs...

tplumeri
December 23, 2007, 06:20 PM
Those things do look ill-tempered


Yeah, but how do they taste? And dont anyone say "like chicken"!
:)

vts
December 23, 2007, 06:27 PM
It probably taste like Gallus domesticus:cool:

castnblast
December 24, 2007, 01:10 PM
They taste like Javelinas...LOL:D

Seriously, like pork. The meat is light in color like pork is. Contrary to popular belief, they are quite tender, despite being a #$@% to clean. The hide is thick like a hog, and does not zipper off like a deer. They are a blast to bowhunt, because their eyesight sucks. They have few predators, so they really aren't all that skiddish.

shinnery jim
January 19, 2008, 05:26 PM
Well here in central Texas back in the summer and fall of 70 we had a problem with yotes. we had so many of them that they were killing pigs calfs and pets al over the place. the state put a bounty on them.the local farmers and ranchers would pay you to kill them on their land and let you take the ears in for the bounty too.
My friend and I went out hunting them on a family members land to help him out. He had already lost 10 or 12 hogs to them and had a cow hurt by them too.
We parked out near his barn and waited until we heard the racket of the yotes in the hog pin. we turned on the lights and there were a bunch of them in the pin chasing pigs. we had 22s and started to shoot at the yotes. now they didnt run off, oh no, the dad blamed things came after us. we had to jump in the car and roll the windows down just enough to get the guns out and shoot at them.
we killed 11 that night. but that put the fear of God in this old boy. I had to have more fire power the next time I went out.
Never seen it like that before and never seen it like that again, and dont really care to