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KS.45
December 10, 2007, 11:59 PM
The wife and I are checked in and settled in the room. Door opens to the parking area, (we hate hauling bags).

It's about 11:30 and a HBO movie is about over. What we hear is more of a slapping sound at the door, with a female voice, "Help Help! They are looking for me and I need to get in somewhere fast! .. Please Help!"

I tell the wife to get up and go near the bathroom door while I get my Glock out of the overnight bag (I was not CC at the time.). The only light is near the room door and I am across the room by the window. From the corner I can see out past the drapery enough to confirm there is a small woman outside our door, looking over her shoulder.

There has been little traffic at the motel that I've noticed, which means we may still be the only guests on our side of the place. The lot looks pretty empty from what I see.

I step to the door, (not casting a shadow on the drape, due to the lights position) and open it as she is slapping it for the third time.

I tell her to come in, shut the door and call the police.

She looks at me with the Glock pointed at the floor, then at my wife, who is on the phone trying to get the outside line to go 911.

The woman says, "Are you going to shoot me?"

I say, "No, but shut the damn door now, You can stay til the cops get here or leave, but shut the damn door now please!"

She just steps out of the door and is gone. I scan across as I get to the door and slam it in about a second. I didn't see her or anyone else outside.

We were in a corner room, she must have went around that corner. The wife was never able to get either 911 or even the office on the phone. After five minutes the office did answer and I reported what happened and they said that they would have security in the lot as soon as possible.

When I saw the security outside, I explained the situation to him. He said he was on the opposite side of the property and saw and heard nothing. He said he would notify the police of the problem.

Never heard another thing the rest of the night.

I think it could easily have been a setup for robbery or worse. Then again I will always have this little doubt about whether I might have scared that woman off when she needed help. But I don't lose sleep over it.

chris in va
December 11, 2007, 01:21 AM
Wow, that's a tough one. Like you said possible the Glock scared her off (wouldn't you be?) or might've been a ploy.

Motels make me nervous...

Perldog007
December 11, 2007, 02:06 AM
From what you said I don't think I could have done any better. She didn't want in once she saw the gun. She may have feared you as an attacker, or may have made you as a non-victim.

Either way she wanted out and you did not stop her. When she wanted in you stuck your neck out for her. She could have been armed.

Hope she turned out okay, but you did more than you had to. In my book you did right.

JohnKSa
December 11, 2007, 02:34 AM
Whatever happened to her, at least you gave her a choice. The decision was hers from there, not sure what you could have done differently.

The way she acted bothered me, took me a little bit to figure out what exactly didn't seem right:

1. When she came in, she was immediately concerned with what was inside. Apparently she got over her worries about what was outside--and way too quickly to my way of thinking.

2. When she came in, she wasn't worried about getting the door closed. Same deal as one, she got over her worries about what was outside way too quickly.

3. The way you tell the story, it almost sounds like she ran when you mentioned the cops. Also not a good sign.

FWIW, I would have complained long and loudly to the management about not being able to call 911 from the room.

KS.45
December 11, 2007, 03:11 AM
I did speak to the manager when checking out. She said 911 should be working .. it was a recently built place and maybe they didn't have the bugs out of the phone system.

I tried it too and 911 didn't work. And the office phone was not being answered well at all.

My wife has always said she thought it was some sort of setup. I agree with her, and then as now I never travel without the G36. I have related the events to others and got the same reaction, likely set-up. My attitude could have been a little softer I suppose, but the adrenaline pump kicked in when I unlocked that door and the came gal in.

Motels can indeed be spooky places, but I still stay in the ones where you park at the room and walk in. No real problem since .. except the time I saw crime scene tape in the outside trash container in DesMoines :).

OSUCowboy
December 11, 2007, 03:23 AM
You were definately right to be armed. I agree, I think it was a set-up. Pounding on the door as she was, she must have been in a lot of fear, and yet she turned around and left without a second thought when she saw your gun. I find it hard to believe that someone who would open the door for her with a gun is more scary than whatever she was running from....in other words, she wasn't running from anything. I hope I would be as calm as you if I ever faced that situation:)

skeeter1
December 11, 2007, 03:24 AM
"and then as now I never travel without the G36."

I'm with you there. I always carry something with me wherever I stay, even if it's just a .22. Nobody knows what it is when it's just hanging from your hand, but they know it's a gun.

You probably did everything as well as you could. It's a shame that the 911 call wouldn't go through. Would a cell phone have helped? I always carry one of those, too.

BillCA
December 11, 2007, 03:26 AM
KS - I think you did it right.

If she really had been in serious trouble, seeing you with a gun would have been something she needed at that time. Also, it seems to me that while a woman in trouble might be apprehensive about jumping into a room with a man, if he has another woman in the room that worry should diminish greatly.

FWIW, I would have complained long and loudly to the management about not being able to call 911 from the room.
+100
As I recall, most states have laws requiring you to be able to dial 911 directly (without assistance), even if you have to dial 9 first. And dialing directions are supposed to be posted on the phone or where obvious. I'd be ripping the manager a new one and demanding a partial refund for risking my life (had it been a real urgent emergency).

GalilARM
December 11, 2007, 06:15 AM
This same thing happened to a fraternity friend of mine in school. He was at his apartment when a girl was yelling for help at the door. He answered the door and there was the girl, but sure enough, she darted away and two men rushed into the apartment and robbed him at gunpoint with an AK-47 and a huge revolver. They clocked him in the face with the AK stock and took off. That was the event that inspired my entrance into the world of gun ownership.

novaDAK
December 11, 2007, 06:44 AM
Watch the movie "Vacancy" and you'll understand why I haven't stayed in a motel with outside doors for a long time. They're just creeeepy :eek::o

When I travel I'm at a Hampton Inn or Country Inn getting a good night's rest :cool: though it's not really my choice since it's my parent's paying for the place :p

No way in hell I'd stay in a motel and not be armed with at least one of my 9mms.

Glad you're ok :)

Spade Cooley
December 11, 2007, 09:33 AM
She was no doubt setting you up for a scam of some kind. Most likely it was going to be a beg for help and get you to give her some money for her drug habit. It could have been more serious when she had her boyfriend come out of the lot and hold you at gunpoint for a robbery.

When she saw you were not going to harm her but could protect yourself she was in a position of safety and a normal person would be happy awaiting the police. She no doubt had a record and warrants and didn't want to see the cops.

In nearly every case when a stranger approaches you, it is going to be some kind of a scam.

Nigelcorn
December 11, 2007, 10:03 AM
I am a pretty cheap guy, but I think with hotels it isn't a bad idea at all to spend just a little bit extra to stay at a nicer hotel where everybody has to go through the front lobby to get to the rooms. It is a little bit more of an inconvenience to carry your luggage through the hotel, but I have never had a problem at all in a hotel like this. Besides, if you make reservations ahead of time, you can get good hotels for really cheap (I just booked a Hyatt on a weekend for $70/night).

CrazyIvan007
December 11, 2007, 10:03 AM
:INSERT X-FILES MUSIC HERE: ;)


Actually, I think you handled the situation well. You were up front about your intentions, you were honest. It was her choice to take it however she wished.

I find it strange she was not seen or heard from again.

Do you live in that area? Check the local papers for the next couple days to see if you find a story about a rape, murder or missing person with the victim matching her description.

DMK
December 11, 2007, 10:18 AM
We were in a corner room, she must have went around that corner. I wouldn't like that room at all. Someone could have been waiting around that corner.

If she was actually in trouble, why didn't she go to the front desk? Why didn't you see anyone pursuing her? Why didn't she report someone had a gun in the hotel?

stephen426
December 11, 2007, 10:31 AM
First of all, I'm glad nothing happened to you and your wife. I have to agree that it was a set up as well. The lady's failure to close the door immediately and quick departure when she saw the gun is a dead give away. Since the place was recently built and there were few guests staying there, it was more opportunistic than robbing a busy place.

I always carry when I travel as well. More and more states offer reciprocity for states that accept their carry permits. packing.org is no longer around, but Handgunlaws.us (http://handgunlaw.us/) is a pretty good site.

I have had to travel through several states that prohibit the carrying of firearms including South Carolina, New York, and Washington D.C.. Before entering those states, I unloaded my gun, stored the ammunition seperately and placed the gun (disassembled) in my suitcase inside the trunk. I understand that it was illegal and that it was a risk if I was stopped and searched, but then again, I would not give the police any reason to search my vehicle. Regardless, I would do the same if I had to.

Wuchak
December 11, 2007, 10:42 AM
I think you handled it well. Sounds like a definite setup. Strange that the police didn't come by to get a description and file an incident report of some kind. I wonder if the security officer really called them at all. It's quite possible that he was on the other side of the property because he was in on the scam.

KS.45
December 11, 2007, 11:07 AM
The above happened to us nearly 20 years ago. For the most part, I travel alone now. My idea now is if someone kicks in the door, I go to the floor in a squat on other side of the bed and grab the gun, then paint the laser through the doorway and speed dial 911 on my cell. The above problem was years ago before cell phones were common.

I still use the Motel 6 often, because of an O2 concentrator and tank refill unit I use at night. It is a real bear to roll it any distance, especially on carpet. The lighter models don't have a refill system. I still rarely use O2 during the day.

And I seem to breathe very well when scared. :D

Hey OSUCowboy! The incident happened in OKC been back a lot of times since and had no problem. Keep wearin' the Orange. :D

tegemu
December 11, 2007, 05:11 PM
Sounds like to me that, once she determined the coast was clear she would have robbed you or let an accomplice in. Well Done.

Mannlicher
December 12, 2007, 08:15 PM
I can't believe you opened the door in the first place.

vox rationis
December 12, 2007, 08:57 PM
She was no doubt setting you up for a scam of some kind. Most likely it was going to be a beg for help and get you to give her some money for her drug habit. It could have been more serious when she had her boyfriend come out of the lot and hold you at gunpoint for a robbery.

When she saw you were not going to harm her but could protect yourself she was in a position of safety and a normal person would be happy awaiting the police. She no doubt had a record and warrants and didn't want to see the cops.

In nearly every case when a stranger approaches you, it is going to be some kind of a scam.

Excellent points..much much more likely that it was a scam than like a Sopranos episode; honestly, I don't think I would have even opened the door. I would have told her to stay right there and that I've called management and the police and that they are on their way and I'd have stayed away from the door as it would be a poor barrier should a really bad scenario ensue.

rb4browns
December 12, 2007, 09:33 PM
NO way I open the door to anyone for any reason when I am in a hotel/motel room, especially with the family. Especially in that situation. Maybe I'm the only one too cold or too honest to admit I don't carry guns to be a hero in this kind of situation but my baby needs a daddy and my wife needs a husband. I'm not dying for that woman out there. Who cares if you answer with a gun in your hand. Most of us here who have not experienced combat or had specific training can be overhwhelmed pretty quickly by a guy or guys looking to rush in to a motel room if that was a ruse to get the door opened. If that was a set up the bad guys had the initiative and are coming in on the offensive. Chances are you wouldn't know what hit you.

I would have gotten my family down prone on the floor, hit the lights and called/waited for authorities. That door flies open and I shoot. Until then I stay out of it.

MyGunsJammed
December 13, 2007, 12:03 AM
To The OP I think you handled the situation well, along with being lucky too that nothing more escalated......

If it were me, I would not answer the door at all, I would black out the lights, lock all the locks and have my pistol locked and loaded with my laser sights pointed at the door.....

claude783
December 13, 2007, 12:01 PM
I wasn't there. So, hate to play Monday night quarterback.
My first concern is that once the door is open, I have lost the element of time. The only barrier between me and the gremlin is that door. And I sure as " * " am not going to open it for any reason!
The second thing is that it might not have been the gun which caused her to get out of there. Your wife was in plain sight and dialing the police. I wonder if she didn't expect to find you by yourself and then claim some sort of "duress". Where you either pay up or else!
It's sad to say, but in today's world, if I even heard the neighbor screaming for help, would probably turn up the Televsion and claim, if needed that I didn't hear "nuthin".

KS.45
December 13, 2007, 06:45 PM
I get it about not opening the door. That was an option I weighed against "what if they catch her right here and start a beating, or drag her off screaming." Not a good thing to have lurking in the brain.

Then the wife said something like "We need to help her if we can", that was probably when she first picked up the phone. I was concentrating on the doorway, and listening for all I was worth for any background noise outside. Her slapping hands on the door was all I heard. along with her voice, sounding genuinely scared.

My intent in pointing the weapon at the floor was to let her go by, then resume my bead on the doorway. Unfortunately, she just stood right where the door opened and didn't move further into the room. And she did look scared. If she had a weapon, it had to be something very small.

I had a look at her back when I looked by the drapery earlier, nothing going on out of the ordinary there. She was lightly clothed, it was warm weather. Yep, I looked her over when she came in too.

No purse, a sleeveless knit top and shorts. Still got the picture in my mind.

The wife had less of a conscience about her I think. One of her comments after things calmed down was, "Cute top! Wonder where she got it." We had a laugh.

I can better isolate the approximate time when this happened, because I now remember just having bought a G20, they had only been out a few months at the time, to me it's cannon. Later the G20 got sold to a friend and I got a 30, then went to the G36, my favorite of all of them. Finally added the 21SF so I have the big and the little .45.

I am only now taking handgun carrying seriously, since Kansas went CC. I was a walking disaster at shooting back then, but with fair survival instincts. Rarely went to the range, had no pistol instruction from anyone that knew what he was talking about.

Had breakfast a day or so ago with the friend, he still has the gun and he remembered me teilling him about this experience.

So my question would be when did the G20 come out? I estimated the 20 years.

rb4browns
December 13, 2007, 08:27 PM
I'm not trying to bash you, but when you say, "I was a walking disaster at shooting back then, but with fair survival instincts," your words don't match your actions. Opening the door like that with your wife in the room because you were already thinking that you would feel guilty if something happened to that woman demonstrates poor survival instincts. IMHO it's the ability to turn off that voice in your head (which most criminals know will be present in most victims) that is part of one's survival instinct. Sometimes you have to choose between survival and being a good samaritan. People tend to be predictable precisely because they do not have fair or better survival skills.

kayakersteve
December 14, 2007, 10:03 AM
I would not open door either

Socrates
December 16, 2007, 08:31 PM
Whatever. Presence of the gun was good. 20 years ago in Santa Cruz all kinds of drug nuts, sane and insane, were wandering around. Girl could just have been crazy, on cocaine, that would explain the paranoia. In those times, we only had one guy wandering around killing lots of people. Turned Santa Cruz into the murder capital of the US for a year. There are a lot of psychotics wandering around, unfit for work, yet appearing somewhat normal. Government supports them.

Her comment about are you going to kill me? Supports the paranoid nut theory.

I had a similar experience in Barbados, without a gun, the badguys having machettes, and, all the employees being gone, with the front door open, and OUR room being searched. Ended up somehow calling the United States Embassy. They said, "Yes, you are in danger. We'll be right there."
And, a half hour later they arrived, packed us up, and moved us, no questions asked.

S

TxPhantom
December 16, 2007, 09:59 PM
Quote;
I think you handled it well. Sounds like a definite setup. Strange that the police didn't come by to get a description and file an incident report of some kind. I wonder if the security officer really called them at all. It's quite possible that he was on the other side of the property because he was in on the scam.


It's also strange that the front desk assigned you to a isolated corner room in a near empty motel. Maybe the good folks at the front desk also had something to do with the scam and the fact that you couldn't dial out to 911.:eek:

JohnKSa
December 16, 2007, 10:10 PM
It's also strange that the front desk assigned you to a isolated corner room in a near empty motel. Maybe the good folks at the front desk also had something to do with the scam and the fact that you couldn't dial out to 911.Interesting and unsettling thought.

samoand
December 16, 2007, 11:57 PM
Point 1. In all likelihood, your Glock saved you form a robbery or possibly worse. Enough was said of the reasons for this conclusion, no use in repeating them all. Let me just say that if there was a danger for the lady outside, she would've been in a hurry to shut the door, and she would have been glad you had a weapon, not otherwise.
Point 2. I actually give you props for opening the door even though it does demonstrate poor survival skills. Sometimes good men have to go against their own survival instinct for the benefit of others and for the benefit of their karma ;)
Point 3. When I read you story, I also felt that this was a setup. Could you easily tell from the outside whether or not your room was occupied? where blinds up or down? where lights on or off? Too coincidental that she was knocking on your door in otherwise unoccupied motel. You may consider checking if there is a history of robberies at that motel - just continue being a good citizen that you've shown yourself to be.

[edited]As others said - checking whether or not a report was actually filed is another good idea.

Double Naught Spy
December 17, 2007, 08:38 AM
Never open the door to strangers. You are supposed to start learning that at about 5 years of age. Never open the door to strangers at a motel. Never open the door to strangers at night. Most importantly, never open the door to strangers at a motel at night.

p99guy
December 17, 2007, 09:04 AM
Since most folks wont open the door for the surly biker boyfriend with the buck knife...they send the girlfriend with a sob story to get folks to open the door(so to speak)...you probly would have had to shoot what was waiting around the corner for her signal word.(thats why she didnt close the door, even though the story was "somebody is after me") That Glock saved you and the wife from being on the wrong end of the stick that night.

KS.45
December 18, 2007, 12:42 PM
BillCA & others - Duly noted. My fugetaboutit button doesn't seem to work well where something like this is concerned.

Only thing different now, is when I travel with a companion, she has a 9mm (G19) and is a better shot than me. I think the never open the door advice is appropriate for most people. The reason I posted here was to get some input regarding whether I may have scared her off. I realize now that's a ("Ya had to be there") sort of question. All these years later, I figure it's about 90 percent sure it was some kind of setup. My wife at the time thought so too. Now, I'm less likely to open the door, I think.

But that gal at the door did have acting skills. If I scared her off, it was because she WAS trouble I guess.

I checked the OKC news while I was there and nothing was mentioned that seemed related.

Socrates
December 19, 2007, 04:21 AM
HMMMM.

I remember during a black out in 82, I went to the door of a restaurant I managed, and we were guarding. About Jan 1-3.
3 day blackout, late at night.
Knock on the door, after hearing local gunshots. I'm elected to answer. I go to the door. I have a 120 pound jet black rottweiller, attack trained off lead, on my right hip. All you can see in the officer's flashlight was fangs and eyes. Mainly fangs. NO leash. As I open the door, he's panting, checking things out, ready, and, on his own decision making powers. His owner would also have yelled attack in German if we'd been in real trouble.

I'm covered from one side with a selective fire AR-15 shorty, handled by a navy trained armourer, now working at Lockheed. On the other flank, another shorty AR this one not on selective fire, but semi-auto, ex-vietnam green beret on the trigger.
Officer could not see either person. I'm carrying my Seville in a holster, and hand on my Detonics Mark VI 451 Detonics level 45.

Conversation went something like:

"HI. We heard gun shots. Are you ok?"
Officer could not identify me, but, his focus was totally on the rotts white teeth.

"We are fine. Shots came from across Soquel Creek."
Officer could not identify me, but, his focus was totally on the rotts white teeth.

"Everything alright here?"
Officer could not identify me, but, his focus was totally on the rotts white teeth.

"We're fine. Have a great night."
Officer could not identify me, but, his focus was totally on the rotts white teeth.

That dog would have ripped his throat out if he'd made the wrong move, and, at the same time, he thought he was a 120 pound lapdog, one of the most loving, kind animals I'd ever met. I think the scariest part was the rott didn't make a sound, just stood there, at alert, ready and waiting...
THAT'S HOW TO OPEN A DOOR, LATE AT NIGHT.;)