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buddycraigg
October 28, 2007, 07:46 PM
Yeepie!
My first post on a new forum.
As the title says, I would like help in figuring out what model browning I have.
I’ll see if I can get some pics up in a moment.
The closest exploded view I have found is called “Browning 25” on this site
www.mek-schuetzen.de/Sites/Explosion.htm

http://myfiero.com/uploads/8565_.jpg

these are the parts i'm missing
http://myfiero.com/uploads/8566_.jpg

I got this thing in a box completely disassembled.
I am missing the trigger and trigger spring.

I do not think this pistol is supposed to have
#17 magazine safety
as the magazine latch and spring are in place
and the spring does not have the extra hook on it.

James K
October 28, 2007, 08:33 PM
There are two .25 caliber Browning pistols, the one in your pictures being the newer one. The first was similar in size but had a different outline and was very different inside. It looked like the old Colt .25.

If your pistol is like the one shown, AFAIK, it should have the magazine safety; it could be missing as the gun will work without it.

I checked Gun Parts Corp, and they show the gun and parts at the following URL. The perspective is different but it is the same gun.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=0630zBABY%2025

Jim

buddycraigg
October 28, 2007, 08:52 PM
some pics of the real thing
let's try that again...
http://myfiero.com/uploads/8567_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8568_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8569_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8570_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8571_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8572_.jpg

buddycraigg
October 28, 2007, 09:02 PM
http://myfiero.com/uploads/8573_.jpg
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http://myfiero.com/uploads/8574_.jpg

James K
October 28, 2007, 09:09 PM
Yes, that is the same gun, the newer model. It looks like Gun Parts has everything you need. 6.35mm is the European name for the .25 ACP.

Jim

buddycraigg
October 28, 2007, 09:34 PM
Jim Keenan
If your pistol is like the one shown, AFAIK, it should have the magazine safety; it could be missing as the gun will work without it

the box of parts does have another mag latch and the spring with the hook like in the diagram.
the latch on the frame now has a wide opening where the pin holds it in place.
the spare latch has a small opening.

although i would "almost" never think of using this as my carry weapon, i would like to get the little bugger working again.
and then again, a 25 in your pocket, is better than the 45 you left at home.

James K
October 29, 2007, 08:30 PM
I was not aware that any of those were made without the magazine safety. Mine has it, and all those I have seen do also. Maybe it was put on for the U.S. market. It sounds like the other mag catch is the one for the mag safety, so it is probably up to you if you install one or not. Note, though, that I don't know if they made any other modifications to accommodate the mag safety, so it might not fit even if you got one.

Jim

buddycraigg
October 29, 2007, 09:44 PM
thanks for the info.
for the time being i'm just going to order the trigger and trigger spring.

i'll let you know if it blows up after i get it back together.

i do like the idea of a mag safety so i might add that after i know it works.

HisSoldier
October 30, 2007, 10:02 AM
Precision Small Arms has replacement triggers that are steel. Current production triggers are plastic.
http://precisionsmallarms.com/parts_list.asp
I like this little JMB design, it's a "cute" gun, heh heh. I like the way he thought out the assembly, though putting that mag release spring and mag safety etc back in seems to require three hands, I recently replaced the two plastic parts on mine. Yeah, the mag release is plastic on curent production PSA guns.

buddycraigg
October 30, 2007, 06:54 PM
i noticed that both the mag release on the frame and the spare in the box of parts are plastic, but what else is?

buddycraigg
October 30, 2007, 06:57 PM
i guess it doesn't matter much at this point because i already have the plastic trigger on the way.
but is the metal trigger really that much better?
what's wrong with the plastic one?
i saw this thing complete at one point in my life and i'm pretty sure i remember it having a plastic trigger.

who knows, maybe that's what broke and the reason i got it in a box

HisSoldier
October 31, 2007, 12:04 PM
If you are comfortable with plastic parts you are good to go. I personally like steel parts. I spend a lot of time and money either buying steel replacement parts or making them, and feel like I'm single handedly reproaching the plasticrud cheapskate manufacturers who shove that stuff on unwary buyers. A pox on them! Rotten cheap greedy jerks! I really get angry when I see plastic or aluminum on a gun, other than the grips.

Bill DeShivs
October 31, 2007, 01:28 PM
There is nothing wrong with plastic or aluminum, properly used.
Guns have had aluminum frames for 50-60 years. Plastic in non-critical areas can save weight and cost.

James K
October 31, 2007, 08:23 PM
Hi, HisSoldier,

Sorry to so inform you, but JMB had nothing to do with the design of the new "Baby Browning." He was gone when the FN designers came up with that gun about 1931. Some folks think it is postwar because the first ones imported into the U.S. came in about 1954, but it had been around a while in Europe, which is why I was not sure if the mag safety was only for the U.S. market.

Browning did design the earlier FN Model 1905 .25 Auto and its almost identical "brother", the Colt Vest Pocket Pistol, called the .25 caliber Model 1908 by collectors. The Model 1905 was never called the "Baby Browning" at least not by the factory, but they did call the new model by that name.

Jim

HisSoldier
November 2, 2007, 07:08 PM
Jim,
Your right! The designer responsible changing the vest pocket design into the Baby" was Dieudonne Saive . Now it doesn't seem so good to me. Sniff,:(

HisSoldier
November 2, 2007, 08:53 PM
Bill said,
"There is nothing wrong with plastic or aluminum, properly used.
Guns have had aluminum frames for 50-60 years. Plastic in non-critical areas can save weight and cost."

Everyone has a right to their own opinions, that's what's great about this country.:)

By that reasoning one could argue that zinc is a proper choice for firearms design material. And, for those who feel it is what can I say? HiPoint firearms are made largely of zinc. I personally would rather have a zinc firearm than no firearm. But since I still can choose steel for my firearms I'm glad for that option.
My problem with people accepting aluminum and plastic (Yes, polymer, and "High density" polymer and any other fancy name they want to call it, is plastic) is that once manufacturers field a gun made of what I consider to be inferior materials, and once people start buying them, what is the incentive for companies to make real guns of high quality materials? Plastic is cheap, aluminum is way easier and faster to machine than steel. Why make quality when folks who don't know will buy something else? I'm in manufacturing, I know what is easy and cheap to make and what is time consuming and what materials are wear resistant and strong. So, since I know these things I will never stop letting people know that steel is the best material for making guns. because if I can be part, any small part, of people demanding quality guns made of high strength wear resistant and more expensive materials, that is to say quality materials, then many gun manufacturers will always make them.

Bill DeShivs
November 2, 2007, 09:48 PM
Aluminum was first used for weight saving-which is important on a carry gun.
Plastic is a natural offshoot of this. Plastic is cheap to mould and is lightweight.
I'm a fan of steel guns, but I'm also a fan of quality guns. Just because a part is steel does not necessarily make it a better part. Steel is not necessary for parts that are non-critical.
Using cost and weight-saving materials and construction techniques is not necessarily a bad thing.
BTW- the Baby Browning was made in a lightweight model with an aluminum frame.

buddycraigg
November 11, 2007, 12:37 AM
well this thread has really taken on a life of it's own.

i got my trigger and trigger spring in the mail on friday.
i'll respond back in a day or so.

(possibly typing one handed)

Hawg Haggen
November 11, 2007, 06:45 AM
If you blow your hand off and come in here to tell us about it a day or two later you're a tougher man than I am.:D It ought to be a good lil gun tho. I'd prefer the steel trigger tho.

James K
November 11, 2007, 11:23 PM
Hi, HisSoldier,

Well, Saive didn't do too badly on the FAL and the BHP. Browning is usually credited with the BHP design, but a lot of the final gun was Saive's. The Browning patent shows a much different gun than the BHP as we know it. I suspect FN called it the Browning to trade on the late JMB's reputation, figuring (correctly) that a Browning High-Power would sell better than a Saive High-Power.

Jim

buddycraigg
November 13, 2007, 01:39 AM
i'm typing with all 10 fingers...

not only did the little SOB not blow up.
but it fired all 5 rounds that were probably 10 years old.

i dont know how accurate it is cause i used my support hand (just in case it blew up)

**NOTE** for the record, i was mistaken. the mag latch on my gun is metal.

thanks for all the help.
i'm sure i'll be back with more questions.

HisSoldier
November 13, 2007, 07:50 PM
Heh heh, that little .25 ACP has such a thick casing and light loading It'd be a sad accident indeed if it blew up.

WALLY065
November 20, 2007, 12:48 PM
I carried one as a "Bug" for years but they are a little anemic for any defense work.
They are how ever highly ranked on the Cool Factor.