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Ruthless4christ
October 23, 2007, 12:22 AM
in your opinion, for general usage, which is considered more reliable. THE isreali UZI or an american MAc-10 (.45)?

MisterPX
October 23, 2007, 01:11 AM
I'd go Uzi.

KyleH
October 23, 2007, 04:32 PM
I am curious as to what general usage is with a fully automatic sub machine gun?

SDC
October 23, 2007, 04:41 PM
Better balance, better accuracy, better overall is definitely the Uzi. The only thing the MAC comes in ahead is on concealability, which isn't a concern for most legal owners.

Charles S
October 23, 2007, 06:52 PM
Having shot both...I must say that there is no comparison. The Mac 10 just is not in the same class as the UZI. However they are both submachine guns and are both inferior to the MP5. JMHO.

AmesJainchill
October 23, 2007, 10:44 PM
I'd take the Uzi, but only if I couldn't get a silencer to go with the MAC-10.

Actually, a suppressed Uzi would be pretty cool, too, you NEVER see those in movies.

guntotin_fool
October 24, 2007, 01:33 AM
The uzi is a war time proven weapon with 125 yard capability and rock solid reliability, the Mac10 is a toy for all intents and purposes.

miniuzi
October 28, 2007, 11:39 PM
I would have said the Uzi hands down however given many of the after market additions you can put on a M11 such as the max-11 (http://www.max-11.com/) the M11 / M10 has become much more feasible to own and more fun for people to shoot. It's not just a "bullet hose" with the high rate of fire.

With that being said... I still love the Uzi the most and prefer the Mini Uzi over the full size Uzi. About 3 years ago I asked the same question you did and I ended up siding with an Uzi. The choice at that point was "which gun to get if I only buy one NFA gun?" I ended up deciding on the uzi and I asked the question on Uzitalk.com (http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4831) about which one I might enjoy the most. The Uzi is a work horse and is built like a tank and is very reliable.

-Todd

Ruthless4christ
October 29, 2007, 01:12 AM
I am curious as to what general usage is with a fully automatic sub machine gun?

What general usage CANNOT be made?;) mainly suppressive fire, and drivebys. the .45 makes it affective against cars.

VUPDblue
October 29, 2007, 08:02 AM
mainly suppressive fire, and drivebys.

:eek:

miniuzi
October 29, 2007, 09:05 AM
Well pick one which you like and make sure your homeboys take care of it next year when you are dead. :)

VUPDblue
October 29, 2007, 09:55 AM
Now, I know that the OP is in Guatemala, and that the crime there is different than what we are used to, but that last comment has me questioning the OP's ethics and motives behind asking that question.

Ruthless4christ
October 29, 2007, 11:15 AM
hey i am justhaving a little fun, and drivebys are the prob the most popular usage of these things. anyhow, sorry if i scared ya'll

LiquidTension7
November 14, 2007, 11:00 PM
Having had both an Uzi and an M11/9, I'd go with the M11/9 every time. The Lage Max-11 upper mentioned above puts the M11/9 in a class above the Uzi. Now that Mr. Lage has begun shipping his Max-10 uppers, you can have basically two (or three, with caliber conversion) subguns for the price of one.

Seeing as you're in Guatemala, if you can't get your hands on one of Mr. Lage's uppers I'd stick with the Uzi. The MAC10 by itself is fun at the range, but not very practical due to the ROF and terrible stock.

Tatsumi67
January 3, 2008, 04:06 PM
From personal experience, both being open bolt they are unsafe. The Uzi did jam on me quiet a bit, but its controllable, the MAC Ingrams in higher calibers (45) are unwieldy and cheaply made. Go with the Uzi.

SDC
January 3, 2008, 04:28 PM
Though the UZI is an open-bolt design, that doesn't make it unsafe; in fact, it was designed specifically to EXCLUDE the sort of accidents that prior open-bolt designes were prone to. These usually happened when a loaded magazine was inserted into the smg, and it was dropped or bumped with enough force that the bolt would "bounce" to the rear far enough to pick up a round from the mag. The UZI has a grip safety that PREVENTS the bolt from moving (unless someone was to deactivate that safety, with tape, rubber bands, etc.), unless it is held and ready to be fired.

Tatsumi67
January 3, 2008, 05:58 PM
Its not so much that the gun is unsafe, but i heard a cop tell me once that because conventially a bolt locks open when the magazine is empty, he once thought he had expended the whole magazine, and shot himself in the foot
:eek:

VUPDblue
January 3, 2008, 07:56 PM
That's not being unsafe, that's being stoopid and practicing poor trigger discipline.

Crosshair
January 5, 2008, 05:11 AM
That's not being unsafe, that's being stoopid and practicing poor trigger discipline.
+1 to that. With open bolt operation, the bolt is forward if the gun is empty. (Or if you hit a dud primer.) Another case of someone not knowing how their weapon operates.

Tatsumi67
January 5, 2008, 03:00 PM
Here is one of my vids of Uzi shooting, the forward bolt clicking when the magazine is expended is a good physical indicator of "empty", with the momentum of the bolt moving its a definite indicator instead of the firing pin on an empty chamber which one could misconstrue as a misfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_LhlIO2P_4

TexasSeaRay
January 5, 2008, 05:45 PM
Having shot both...I must say that there is no comparison. The Mac 10 just is not in the same class as the UZI. However they are both submachine guns and are both inferior to the MP5. JMHO.

Absolutely agree.

Nothing unsafe about an Uzi. Open bolt continuous fire weapons are a whole new world, and as such, the shooter needs to train, practice and be aware of all that goes with an open bolt weapon.

Jeff

T. O'Heir
January 6, 2008, 12:50 AM
"...general usage is..." Big kid's toys. FA is great, expensive fun, but really has to practical use.
"...and shot himself in the foot..." Operator failure. Lack of training and complacency causes more incidents than anything else. There are more cop related firearm incidents that aren't heard about than you can shake a stick at. Minimal training, a lack of awareness and the days of cops being shooters are long gone. Few new cops, anywhere, have ever seen a firearm outside of TV and movies prior to being hired.

VUPDblue
January 6, 2008, 01:17 AM
Few new cops, anywhere, have ever seen a firearm outside of TV and movies prior to being hired.
I disagree.

oldcspsarge
January 29, 2008, 10:18 PM
UZI is a far superior MG and much more accurate and deployable.

Carried one for years and trained many personnel with them.
NOT a jamamatic IF good clean mil-spec properly crimped ammo is used.

In a field combat deployment..a 9mm sub-gun is a poor choice of firearms but I would definitely choose an UZI over an MP-5.

MP-5 is great and sexy...but you cannot clear a jam or case rolled inside the receiver as fast as an UZI can be put back in service....you have to disassemble it to clear it and return it to service. UZI just lock the bolt back and roll the UZI over to the right and you are good to go.

For quiet entry and TANGO elimination...the MP5SD is the trick. Just start with a clean gun as they get real dirty real fast from blow-back into the chamber area.

JMHO.....after hundreds of thousands of 9mm MG shooting

mec
February 19, 2008, 11:43 AM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30417&stc=1&d=1203439281
He bought a bunch of them when the original company was closing out. This one has thousands of rounds through it with no problems at all. He did say that there are important handling issues. for instance, if you try to rectract the bolt with the safety engaged, it will not stay back and will chamber and fire a single round.

loosecannon
February 20, 2008, 12:39 AM
Do the math only around 10 thousand MACs were ever made 100 of thousands of Uzis have been made. As was pointed out previously the Uzi is a battle proven weapon. As for size there are many versions of the UZI not just the full size one.

spctim11
February 27, 2008, 08:26 PM
If money isn't an issue go with the UZI they are both fun guns I have a video of me firing the UZI supressed it is on my puter that is boxed up for being a dinosaur.

douglasschuckert
March 10, 2008, 07:48 PM
I own a MAC 10. In the post it says that if you have the safety engaged it wont lock the bolt back and will champer/fire a round... this is untrue unless you partially pull the bolt back THEN engage the safety. If the bolt is fully forward and you activate the safety then try to charge the bolt, it wont charge.

The MAC 10 is every bit as reliable as the UZI. It's just as accurate too (dont chime in on this one unless you've personally shot both - hearsay don't fly). The MAC has FAR FAR FAR more accessories available to it (not to mention the conversions are WAY more prevelant and CHEAPER), and you can get 30rnd mags for the .45 caliber.

If I were you, I'd get a Powder Springs MAC 10/45 and a Lage Slow fire upper and spend the remainder on ammo.. The MAC will cost you about 3.5k to 4.2. An UZI will cost you around 4:6k and the .45 version you can only get small quantity mags...

I have nothign against the UZI.. Just you dont have the versitility as you do with the MAC. If you do get an UZI look for either an IMI or a Vector. Vector will still cover malfuctions/breakage.

Go to www.uzitalk.com for posts and advise on both.

John2
March 14, 2008, 01:31 PM
In the raid on Intebi, to release hostages, the Israeliz used a Mac 11 though they naturally had UZI. They probably figured a little buzz gun served their purpose in a fast moving scenerio. I have the mini Uzi and Macs. The Macs rarely give me grief. The Mini however refuses to work with U.A.E. ammunition. Go figure

Socrates
March 14, 2008, 04:00 PM
Lord! 3.5K for a Mac is obscene. I thought they were over priced at 300 dollars, when I bought a couple. They aren't range guns. They are very effective close range room cleaners, and, really need the suppressor. They are also really easy to swap bolts on. I actually liked the 380 for concealability, and the 45 for swat power. The 9mm was a bit big for a gun that shot such a little round. Still, 32 rounds of 9mm will really ruin your day.

My experience was the only reliable ammo for the Macs was ball.

Friend has a full auto Uzi, and, he loves it. He's a former swat/bomb squad/sniper/police armour, licensed S&@ gunsmith, Col in the Guard, and, he owns an Uzi submachine gun, so, that's a big plus for me, since I know he's had a chance to fire a LOT of full auto weapons.

oldcspsarge
March 20, 2008, 01:13 PM
MAC is known as a bullet hose...great for spraying down a room...marginally controllable without a supressor.

UZI is a well thought thru MG w/folding stock. Safe and reliable.
Carried one for years and trained many agents with them for protective assignments. Only thing we every broke was an occasional extractor.

Good close in or out to 100 yards, though 9mm doesnt have much energy left @ 100 yards. Fun to shoot and conceals well in a briefcase.

Definite UZI over MAC.....even with Uzi hovering in 8K range !

Hard Ball
March 20, 2008, 08:55 PM
I would choose the Uzi.

GarrettJ
April 13, 2008, 04:58 PM
in your opinion, for general usage, which is considered more reliable. THE isreali UZI or an american MAc-10 (.45)?

While a lot of good points have been made, the OP specifically asked about which was more reliable. This generally means, which one goes "bang" every time and has no problems cycling.

Having used both, I would have to give the MAC10 the nod. Granted, my experience is limited to two specific firearms. But of those two, I can't think of a single time that the MAC10 in .45 has had any kind of malfunction when used with roundnose ammo. I can't say that for the Uzi.

Socrates
April 14, 2008, 11:44 PM
I forgot about that part. NEVER got any of the macs I had around, 380, 9mm or 45, to run with ANYTHING BUT BALL AMMO. However, never had any problems with ball, reloads about 99%.

4095fanatic
April 17, 2008, 08:27 PM
Uzi.