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hunter33
October 11, 2007, 06:24 PM
Should the 22-250 be used for bear?

spacemanspiff
October 11, 2007, 06:40 PM
Depends on the bear. Koala bear, yeah. Brown bear, maybe not. Teddy bear, yeah, Polar bear, me thinks no.

hunter33
October 11, 2007, 06:43 PM
black bears would be the hunt.

davlandrum
October 11, 2007, 06:52 PM
Wouldn't be my first (or second, or third) choice. Heavy hide + big heavy bone....

Before I get flamed, yes it COULD be done (perfect shot, etc), but not what I would take if looking for a bear.

hunter33
October 11, 2007, 07:01 PM
Well i dont think it should be used because my cousin shot a bear about a week ago right in front of the shoulder from about 50 yards away with a 270 180gr and he said it went so far he looked for about 7 hours till it got dark and couldnt find it.But yet the 22-250 is legal for bear?

tyrajam
October 11, 2007, 07:19 PM
The only way I would try it is either a close range headshot, or shooting a bear with hounds. That way you can wait overnight for it to die, and put the dogs back on the trail to track it down.
That said, how many bears and moose have been taken with a 22 rimfire, especially by natives in canada and alaska? Many. About 40 years ago my dads hunting buddy snuck a 22LR bullet behind a black bears ear and dropped it in its tracks. Not legal, but he was after meat, and he got a lot of venison with that 22.

Hey hunter33, where do you find 180gr bullets for the 270???????????

Art Eatman
October 11, 2007, 07:50 PM
One story from a cousin who may or who may not have hit where he thought he did does not offer anything meaningful about one's choice of firearm.

No centerfire .22 is truly suitable for larger game animals. I'm not saying you can't make a kill. I will say that the odds of a clean and ethical kill are reduced as compared to cartridges using heavier bullets of larger diameter.

hunter33
October 11, 2007, 07:57 PM
oops haha im not sure. it was 150 gr i think if i remember right

Wildalaska
October 11, 2007, 08:06 PM
Alaska natives use that caliber for subsistence bear hunting.

I saw Spiff use a Garand for subsistence McDonalds hunting. Put that burger down with one shot.

WildrightspiffAlaska ™

Erik
October 11, 2007, 08:27 PM
"Should the 22-250 be used for bear?"

No, assuming it is even legal to begin with.

First Shirt
October 11, 2007, 08:35 PM
No! Unless the bear is eating your wife/children/dog, and there is nothing else available. I've seen people try to use the 22/250 on smallish (100-200 lbs) wild hogs, and even with perfect shot placement, the results were less than stellar. I'm pretty sure that even black bears need more medicine than a centerfire .22 will provide.

JMHO,YMMV, FWIW, other caveats as required.

JWB

Go Kiwi
October 12, 2007, 03:12 AM
Heck - we use .22lr on Kiwi Bears here all the time so .22 250 will be sweet as

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Mammals/Australia/Possum.jpg

Ifishsum
October 12, 2007, 03:47 AM
I'm wholeheartedly in the "NO" camp. Bears are very tough animals and will run a long ways, you need a good blood trail to follow or broken bones to slow them down. The .22-250 isn't going to be good for either.

Art Eatman
October 12, 2007, 09:24 AM
Wild, a lot of folks do a lot of things. The amount of success depends on the amount of skill and the knowledge brought to the effort.

Look: The last mulie I killed was rudely awakened by me from his noonday nap. I was no more than thirty yards from him. I had what seemed to me to be "all day" to judge whether or not to kill him. I could as easily have center-punched him between the eyes with a .22 rimfire as ruining his neck with my '06. But I've been hunting and shooting for over 65 years. I'm supposed to be able to do the sneaky-snake thing, and hit exactly where I intend to.

hunter 33, by the very nature of his question, seems to be one who is starting out, still on the upside of the learning curve. I'd bet that he still has to learn to deal with all the bits and pieces of that learning, to develop the knowledge and skill that is needed for success at that proverbial clean and ethical kill. I figure he can stay with it, work at it, and do just fine.

This is no reflection upon him, of course. We all go through it. I did, for sure. So did you, Wild, just as you went up a learning curve in gunsmithing. We all gotta start somewhere...

Just as folks don't move from trundling around town in their little Honda to driving a Formula 1 car, folks shouldn't start off in hunting with cartridges that demand an expert's higher level of skill.

My 2¢, anyhow.

Art

leadslinger07
October 12, 2007, 11:43 AM
Dont think 22-250 is legal for bear but if your felling confidnet you can always try shooting one with the 22-250. If I were hunting black bear I would carry nothing less than a 375 Holand and Holand magnum. My personal choice would be a CZ rifle chambered for 458 Winchester magnum.

davlandrum
October 12, 2007, 12:05 PM
In Oregon, where both Hunter33 and I (and it looks like a lot of other posters) live, it is perfectly legal.

Why? I have no earthly idea. My guess is it is a hold-over from the good old days when we could bait bears and run both cats and bears with dogs.

Since we can't do that anymore, something like 90% (or more) of both bears and cougars taken are taken while someone is deer/elk hunting.

Wildalaska
October 12, 2007, 12:44 PM
Wild, a lot of folks do a lot of things. The amount of success depends on the amount of skill and the knowledge brought to the effort.

Art by now means do I imply that anyone other than the most skilled hunter should take on a bear with a 22-250.

These native guys living out there have skills and a...hmmm...disregard for safety that most folks dont have.

Wildifitisa17itstoobigAlaska™

castnblast
October 12, 2007, 12:57 PM
As big a fan I am of the 22-250, I would only use it for bear if it was a self defense shot. And if I were in bear country, I'd probably have something a little better for that purpose on my hip. I would not hunt them on purpose with this round. Yeah, you get enough holes in one, it'l do the trick. 1 good shot to the noodle will probably take one, but I'd advise against it. I've cut Steel T-Post in half w/ a 22-250, so It should bust the skull of a black bea, but again, I'm definitely in the no camp on this one too. I don't know what it would do to a brown...probably **** it off... but it may get it away from you...

Art Eatman
October 13, 2007, 10:00 AM
Drifting a bunch: I've read that Savage brought out the 99 in order to use the .22 Savage HiPower. That's a whole bunch of years ago, long before the varmint hunters got into "wildcats".

Phil Sharpe lists a load for the HiPower that pushes a 40-grain bullet out at Swift speed. Not exactly shabby performance.

Anyhow, some guy in India had one, and killed a tiger. Allegedly only one shot was required for the kill.

But I don't recommend it...

:D, Art

bswiv
October 13, 2007, 01:02 PM
Ethics.....................remember that word...........if we hunters ( And fishermen. ) abandon them totally we will be giving over to the PETA types another weapon, a weapon for which we will have no defence.

It is not ethical to do what you propose...............discussing such for entertaiment is one thing but to actually do so, and to do so under the guise of being a "sportsman".............not acceptable.

Scorch
October 13, 2007, 01:42 PM
In Oregon, where both Hunter33 and I (and it looks like a lot of other posters) live, it is perfectly legal.Yes, it is legal, but not very wise if you want to anchor the bear. Black bears I have seen average about 250 lbs, but I have also seen one that went 680 lbs IIRC. They are not terrifically hard to kill with a well-placed shot to the head. But that generally only works for baited and treed bears. As davlandrum said, it's no longer leagal to do either. I would recommend something a little bigger.

Dirty_Harry
October 13, 2007, 04:49 PM
If I were hunting black bear I would carry nothing less than a 375 Holand and Holand magnum.

The bears must be as big as tanks around you:D.

IMHO the .22-250 has no place in the bear world. Even if you are an experienced hunter, always use enough gun and go for the clean kill. The centerfires of the 6mm class and up should be jst fine for black bear.

taylorce1
October 13, 2007, 09:18 PM
While I've only hunted black bear once I would never use a .22-250 legal or not for bear. Sure you can kill them with it but if you make a less than perfect shot do you want to be tracking a wounded animal it. While black bears are not very scary (at least not to me) they do move very fast and have big claws and teeth. The idea of tracking a wounded animal that can move fast and put a hurtin on you with those claws and teeth is very scary to me to say the least. I think when hunting any bear you want to put them down hard and fast so the heavier the bullet the better.

hunter33 you have that .30-40 Krag, find some 220 grain round nose cartridges and go shoot a bear with that. I'm sure you will have better results with that than you will any .22-250. If you decide to hunt a bear let us know how it turns out.

BTW this is what I mean about claws!

rgates
October 13, 2007, 09:38 PM
I love shooting 22-250 and as impressed as I am with it and having seen what it can do I still don't think I would attempt to use it on anything that big. I'd want something with relatively painfull recoil before I could trust hunting something that big and possibly that mean.

MeekAndMild
October 13, 2007, 10:37 PM
Should the 22-250 be used for bear? No. The 22-250 should be used for prairie dogs.

BIGR
October 15, 2007, 03:10 PM
No. Use a big enough caliber to make a clean kill on a bear.

Andrew93
December 1, 2007, 04:26 PM
the 22-250 is barely enough for deer. no to bear.

odsixer
December 1, 2007, 05:01 PM
I agree, the 22-250 will take deer but I've only done it once and probably won't again. This fall I took a good sized whitetail(138lbs dressed) with my 22-250 at 350 yds. I've shot this rifle more than any other I own and I know the drop out to that distance.
The 55gr vmax entered behind the right shoulder, destroyed the left lung and took a rib on the way out leaving a 2 and a half inch exit wound. On the shot he jumped high and then just stood there like nothing happened, keeling over shortly after. It obviously didn't have the knock down power of my 165gr barnes out of the '06 but I think the kill was very clean.

However I wouldn't even consider bringing this thing near a bear and from now on I'll stick to coyote and smaller with the 250.

Inyati
December 2, 2007, 02:48 PM
I had occasion to discuss at some length bear hunting with an eighty-eight year old Alaskan native who'd lived his entire life in a remote, bear-replete region. While not a recommendation, I did find his experience insightful. He told me that for black bear he only used a .22lr and shot them in the ear. For brown bear he used a "really big rifle", his father's 30-30! He wasn't malnourished and had no obvious bear-induced scars. He seemed quite creditable, sarcasism wasn't in his nature. He did look disapprovingly at my custom .375 H&H though.

roy reali
December 2, 2007, 05:08 PM
There is an exception about using a .22-250 for bear. That is if we are talking about the great Southern Hemisphere Bear.:D

jeo556
December 2, 2007, 10:19 PM
Is this a serious question. Although I'm sure it could be done in a perfect world I'd say "hell no"! If you are hunting bear with a 22-250 what would you use on a deer or small game, a paper clip and rubber band, maybe a dodge ball? Sorry for the sarcasm but I think that some research should have preceded this particular post.

Jeo556

Charles S
December 2, 2007, 10:25 PM
I can't even believe this is being discussed??:barf:

oldbillthundercheif
December 2, 2007, 10:41 PM
My old man used to hunt everything with a .22-250 or .25-06 in his later years. All types of bear, elk, moose, mid-sized African game, ect...

He had previously been a big fan of the .300 Weatherby Mag., but the recoil got to be a bit much for him once he was past his 70th birthday. He was a good shot and knew a lot about critter anatomy, so nobody ever gave him much grief about it.

hunter33
December 2, 2007, 11:09 PM
Dont worry im never going to use the 22-250 for bear.I was just seeing what you thought of it for the use on bears.Didn't know they made 220 gr bullets for the 30-40krag maybe you can give me a link to a place that sells em?

CajunBass
December 2, 2007, 11:19 PM
Dont think 22-250 is legal for bear but if your felling confidnet you can always try shooting one with the 22-250. If I were hunting black bear I would carry nothing less than a 375 Holand and Holand magnum. My personal choice would be a CZ rifle chambered for 458 Winchester magnum.

I've never hunted much with a rifle, and I've never hunted a bear at all, but that sounds like a tad of overkill for a black bear. Plenty of them have been put to rest with a 30/30.

I don't think I'd try a 22/250 either.

Andrew93
December 3, 2007, 07:08 AM
heres a link to the ammo.http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=3&Categoryid=9363&categorystring=653***690***
180 grain will be enough.

hunter33
December 3, 2007, 11:53 AM
I was asking for 220 gr not 180 but thank you anyways.

Andrew93
December 3, 2007, 03:20 PM
the 180 will be enough.

Andrew93
December 3, 2007, 03:42 PM
here is some 220s if you reload. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=348088&t=11082005

kyrifleman0714
December 12, 2007, 11:35 AM
Hell no a .22-250 shouldn't be used for bear, I'd go with a 30-06 180gr Core-Lokt Ultra

Elephant_Man
December 12, 2007, 11:56 AM
I don't know, that .22 might be a bit overkill for a several hundred pound black bear. I think one of these will be sufficient medicine for a black bear:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/Knifejester/DY9938_1-2.jpg

With, of course, the correct ammunition. I suggest +P hardcast
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/Knifejester/SDBBX1M.jpg

Wild Bill Bucks
December 12, 2007, 01:12 PM
Here in Oklahoma, all we have are small black bear, mostly ones that have come over from Arkansas. When I was a kid I watched one tangle with three coon hounds of my dads, and he put a pretty good whooping on them.
I don't think I would want to use any .22 caliber on something that had the potential to eat my butt.
.22s around here are used for small game up to yote size, anything bigger requires a .30 caliber in my books.:)