October 11, 2007, 04:56 PM
What are the differences between the Remingtom 11-87 and the 1100 auto loaders?:confused:
October 11, 2007, 06:38 PM
this will give you a better technical comparison than I could give you - with the 11-87 being the newer of the 2 models and primarily introduced so waterfowlers could shoot one gun with 2 3/4" and 3" shells. I'm not an expert on the Remington semi-autso but I believe there are some differences internally in the guns as well. The guns handle and perform simularily in my opinion / although today there are a number of models within each line.
Remington has long been big on autoloading shotguns, which may explain in part why the late 1950s found the company producing three totally different models (11-48, 878, and Sportsman-58) at the same time. Introduced in 1956, the Sportsman-58 was Remington’s first gas-operated shotgun, and it proved to be a sign of even better things to come.
In 1963 Remington replaced its family of autoloaders with a single gas-powered gun called the Model 1100. To describe the Model 1100 as an instant success is putting it mildly. By 1972, after only nine years in production, the one-millionth unit had been built. Five years later production had reached two million, and six years after that, in 1983, Model 1100 number 3,000,000 came off the assembly line. As of late 1999, total production was just shy of the 4,000,000 mark, and my guess is it will exceed that mark easily before the books are closed on the 20th century.
A number of factors played key roles in making Remington’s Model 1100 one of the world’s most accepted sporting arms. At the very top of the list is shooter comfort. Even though the Model 1100 weighs less than most autoloaders that came before it, its gas-operated action cushions recoil, making it extremely comfortable to shoot even with heavy loads. Due to its excellent weight distribution the Model 1100 handles and feels more like an expensive English double than any autoloader built before or since. This holds especially true for the 20- and 28-gauge versions as well as earlier 12-gauge guns with their lighter fixed-choke barrels. The Model 1100 has always been affordable to working men, and it has long been available in 12, 20, and 28 gauge as well as .410 bore, not to mention the 16 gauge for which it was once chambered. Last but certainly not least in importance, the Model 1100 has always been quite reliable and extremely durable, and it doesn’t break very often. Even if a part does break, it is easily replaced and doing so doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
In addition to enjoying great popularity in the game fields, the Model 1100 once dominated skeet competition like no other shotgun before or since it came on the scene, and it set more records in that game than any shotgun before it. And while over/unders now dominate skeet, it is not unusual to see a shooter swap his double for a soft-shooting Model 1100 when shooting the 12-gauge event. The same goes for trap. While single-barrel and over/under guns dominate that game, the Model 1100 is still quite popular among those who have become sensitive to recoil, which is quite amazing when we consider that Remington hasn’t built a Model 1100 trap gun in many years. This is another reason behind its success—the old 1100 keeps on ticking long after others have succumbed to the licking.
Despite great success and an unbeatable track record, the Model 1100 had one shortcoming that had been eliminated in new shotgun models introduced by various competitors—it would not shoot 2 3/4-inch and three-inch shells interchangeably. Rather than simply modifying perhaps the world’s most famous shotgun so it would handle both shell lengths and continue to call it the Model 1100 (as some of us think should have been done), Remington made the required modifications in 1987 but chose to rename it the Model 11-87. This might be compared to making a few minor modifications to the equally famous Model 700 rifle and renaming it Model 7-87. It would still be the same gun, but thousands of potential buyers might not know it.
Despite the fact that Remington officials probably once planned to eventually put the old Model 1100 out to pasture, demand from hunters and shooters who desire to own one of the all-time great firearms simply have not allowed the company to do so. In addition to the Special Field version with straight-grip walnut stock and 23-inch barrel in 20 and 12 gauges, the standard Model 1100 is also available in several other versions. As current production 1100s go, my two favorites are the Sporting 28 and Sporting 20. Built on the two smallest Model 1100 receivers, they have very nice walnut stocks, 25- and 28-inch vent-ribbed barrels, and weights of around 6 1/2 pounds. If a more dynamic-handling autoloading quail gun than one of those two is available, it has managed to escape my attention.
Now we arrive at the Model 870 pump gun—the best-selling firearm ever produced by Remington and one of the most successful sporting arms ever built anywhere in the world. Describing in intimate detail each and every variation of this firearm produced since its introduction in 1950 could fill up a book, so about all I can accomplish here is to scratch the surface.
When commercial firearms production resumed after World War II, Remington officials discovered that all the various models of rifles and shotguns the company had been producing in the past had become extremely expensive to manufacture. One of those was the Model 31, a slide-action shotgun many shooters believed to be superior in a number of ways to Winchester’s Model 12. But its many precision-machined parts and the handfitting required of same made the gun costly to build. Realizing the days of handbuilt, moderately priced firearms were numbered, the push was on to come up with a replacement
charlie in md
October 12, 2007, 08:52 AM
The main difference is that the 11-87 modified the gas system somewhat. The trigger, bolt, action bar, will all interchange. Barrels will not, as that is where the design change occurred. The change was done so that the gun could fire 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells interchangably. If you look at an old 1100 "magnum" barrel, there is only one gas port. The newer design has an expandable "collar" that meters the gas.
October 13, 2007, 11:21 AM
THX Big JIm. [B]That,[/B:)] answers my questions!
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