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roy reali
September 29, 2007, 09:16 PM
The areas I bird and varmint hunt in have Black Bears and Mountain Lions. I have yet to run into either creature. I have seen cougar tracks recently. A bear was recently darted out of someone's tree not too far from here. I guess the drought is causing these animls to be around here in greater numbers looking for water and food.

Here is my question. If you were to be hunting in an area that both bears and lions in it, which one would you be more concerned about? Espically if you were not hunting them.

I am more concerned about the mountain lions. I guess maybe because they are more secretive and more likely to view humans as prey.

So what is your opinion on this subject?

KDM
September 29, 2007, 09:27 PM
BOTH!!! :eek:

I'd be more concerned with a mountain lion. As you've said, they're more likely to view humans as a tasty, easy treat. Every summer or two I hear of a 165# lion going after a hiker in a drought-striken countryside. Bears, I think, are more territorial. They'd chase you down for trespassing and put a mauling on you, but I don't think they're actively looking for a meal as a cougar might be.

tomh1426
September 29, 2007, 09:44 PM
cats are sneaky quick and quiet

JAXX
September 30, 2007, 08:06 AM
Do you have a dog with you when you are bird hunting? A good dog will do a pretty good job of keeping both of those critters away.

Dean C
September 30, 2007, 11:20 AM
Solution!
Go buy a Cougar and Bear tag. :p
I've done it for years and never even see tracks. Go once without and they're everywhere. :eek:
dean

bswiv
September 30, 2007, 11:34 AM
Just keep repeating:

"I'm the predator. I'm the predator. I'm the predator."

No it doesn't work.............but it is worth remembering, to keep some perspective, that more hunters are hurt by treestands and their hunting partners than by predators. For that matter if you factor in Lyme desease the numbers get really skewed.............

That said the idea of being EATEN is somehow more fright inducing.

Art Eatman
September 30, 2007, 03:15 PM
Hmmm. I've not worried about either, all these last years of hunting in lion country. Lots of tracks around, at times. Resident mama lion around my home place, with occasional visits by Handsome Stranger.

A few bears come across the Rio, hanging out in the national park and occasionally working north to Alpine. They saw one at the country club, on the golf course, but it wasn't reported whether or not the bear broke par. I've seen bear scat, here and there, but no bears.

I dunno. I figure that I'm the guy with the '06...

Art

roy reali
September 30, 2007, 04:12 PM
You are the guy with the '06, but I'm the guy with the 6 birdshot.

tyrajam
September 30, 2007, 06:25 PM
I wouldn't worry about either, if your lucky you might catch a fleeting glimpse one day. They will both give you a wide berth, and if one gets close enough to eat you, say a few feet from your gun barrel, an ounce of #6 shot will drill a hole the size of your gun barrel right through.

FirstFreedom
September 30, 2007, 07:19 PM
Lions are far more of a concern, IMO. Still low on the absolute scale, but much more likely to attack than a bear esp. if you are small in stature. You want to look behind you every now and again to see if you are being stalked, in heavy lion country - or so I've read.

T-Ray
September 30, 2007, 08:18 PM
i would be more concerned with bears, but cougars aren't to be overlooked. i would personally just get a concealed license and be packin a .45 with solid points.

Art Eatman
October 1, 2007, 09:01 AM
If I already have a rifle or shotgun in my hands, why would I drop it and grab for a lesser-energy weapon such as a pistol?

Quite a few instances of folks walking in the back country around here and back-tracking on account of "I sorta thought I heard something" or "I just felt funny" and sure enough, there were kitty-cat tracks.

The only actual attacks have been up in the national park, and then onto children. Little kids are the right size as food, apparently, insofar as a lion's thinking goes...

Art

Full-choke
October 1, 2007, 09:49 AM
Having been around bears and near them while in Alaska, I'm not too afraid of them. The thing with bears is that they are deathly afraid of you and more or less attack out of fear. When I was up north, they said not to carry a gun with you, just make lots of noise as you went and they were likely to move away without you ever seeing. Mind you my closest encounter with a Kodiak Grizzly was I walked up a muddy slope, stood for about 10 minutes taking some pictures and headed back down. In the 15 minute time frame, a huge set of tracks showed up across the path...it was a little creepy. But, I'm still here and I followed the rules so I didn't get eaten.

On the other hand, I would be scared crapless of some huge cat stalking me. I was watching a show on large cats and their hunting habits...very sneaky and scary. I would be checking every tree that I walked under and every rock I walked around...

F-C

rampage841512
October 1, 2007, 10:23 AM
I'd be more worried about he cougars. Those things will come out of nowhere. A bear can do the same thing, no doubt, but they tend not leap on you from ridges and trees. I'll worry about the large cats over the bears any day of the week.

NRA4life
October 1, 2007, 02:03 PM
That's why I never go into the woods here unarmed. Never know when some criiter might present itself that you think would be better off dead.

Dirty_Harry
October 2, 2007, 06:48 PM
I would me more worried about lions too. However, they are not tough and the shotgun should do him in very easily.

tomh1426
October 2, 2007, 07:22 PM
at what range would your shot gun filled with bird shot stop a lion
thats gunna be a fast moving small and scary target coming at you, if you see it coming
If you were being hunted by a lion I would think he'd be on you befor you knew what happend.
I know this is the wrong kind of lion and I know they arent shooting shotguns but Ive been wanting to post this for a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNgwZgoKFc

tyrajam
October 2, 2007, 08:18 PM
A shotgun with birdshot will drill a hole through flesh from a few yards, I would think 10 feet tops. I shot a bobcat in my barn when I was 16 with a single shot 12 gauge with #7 1/2. We had just moved into an abandoned horse farm outside Lacomb, Oregon. I went into a huge old barn to try to shoot some pidgeons. I opened a side door and a smallish bobcat was on a tack counter about 5 feet away. I shot it in the throat and it drilled a perfect hole. Thanks for bringing back the memory...

Personally, I would be more concerned with a bear. Cougars usually only attack people because of hunger. Bears are territorial and a surprised bear is more likely to charge than a surprised cougar. Plus bears are usually much heavier, as well as way more common.

Art Eatman
October 3, 2007, 08:33 AM
tomh, odds are that if a cougar decided you'd be lunch, any wound you would inflict would be contact. Think "bang stick". :D:D:D

If you actually see a lion out at twenty or thirty yards or more, odds are he's gonna leave. And an exiting lion is as quickly gone as anything you'll never likely see. Hey, they're gone quicker than a sailor's money!

Art

Bottom Gun
October 3, 2007, 02:52 PM
I would concern myself with bears instead of lions because if a lion decides he wants you, you will never know he is there until it's too late.

kayakersteve
October 3, 2007, 07:19 PM
Lion definately - It will sneak up on you and attack from behind going for the neck.. Bears will usually confront you first prior to the attack, so at least you have a chance to react.

Zombie Steve
October 4, 2007, 05:34 PM
Lion.
Here in Colorado, it's downright infrequent, but if they do attack, you won't see them coming. That's why a pistol would be handy. 160lb male killed in the city last 4th of July - yikes!
Most likely they will go after smaller prey - little kids, pets, et cetera, but from time to time they'll pounce a jogger who bent over to tie their shoes.

Erik
October 5, 2007, 12:17 AM
I'd be more worried about the bear.

Wolf Lies Down
October 5, 2007, 01:37 AM
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-I'd be more concerned about the bears than the lions.

The lion is a solitary, shy creature and if you are in their territory (compared to a campground area, hiking trail, suburban countryside, bike trail, etc.) they are more likely to act like a "normal" lion than not. That is, run away. This means you will never see them and if you do, you'll see their tail waving as they leave. Young lions or sick ones may mistake you for prey or attack out of desperation and you won't know they are there until they are on you. Fortunately for you, you are not built like the prey the lion is designed to kill, so you have a chance if you keep your wits and a long, sharp Randall or similar high quality knife in an easy-to-get-to place on your person. If they get on you, it will be from behind and the knife is the surest way to deal with them, I believe, without shooting yourself.

Bears, on the other hand are to me very dicey. Especially if it's a female with cubs. In my opinion, you just can't cycle a bolt action rifle fast enough to take out a charging bear (unless, of course, you are Lee Harvey Oswald). Black bears most likely are not a big threat, either, but certainly more of a threat than a lion.

Now......we haven't talked about Grizzley bears. There is no way in hell that I would camp, hike, hunt, fish or otherwise be in Grizzley country for any reason other than by accident. These MoFos are virtually unstoppable by Joe Blow hunter unless he's got his entire posse with him. And, then MAYBE. If I found myself in Grizzley country, I would want to have the biggest caliber semi-auto longgun that I could get my hands on and a backup 6" barreled .44mag Smith revolver. And, my Randall knife, of course. That way I could cut my own throat if I ran out of shells.

Wolf Lies Down

JAXX
October 6, 2007, 07:36 PM
Now......we haven't talked about Grizzley bears. There is no way in hell that I would camp, hike, hunt, fish or otherwise be in Grizzley country for any reason other than by accident. These MoFos are virtually unstoppable by Joe Blow hunter unless he's got his entire posse with him. And, then MAYBE. If I found myself in Grizzley country, I would want to have the biggest caliber semi-auto longgun that I could get my hands on and a backup 6" barreled .44mag Smith revolver. And, my Randall knife, of course. That way I could cut my own throat if I ran out of shells.



I just got back from a 6 day Elk hunt up in the Beartooth Mountains of Wyoming. We were deep in Grizz country, matter of fact, we ran up on one Wed morning about 40 feet from us. It's extremely seldom that a Grizz attacks a human. I'm pretty sure that within the last 10 years there have been more mountain lion attacks on humans over Grizz attacks. As far as them being unstoppable, that's not entirely true. The high powered rifle a hunter should be carrying will kill or detour a Grizz pretty effectively. A shotgun works extremely well also. Those bears are much more intimidating untill you see one in person and how they are just as scared of you as you are of them.

davlandrum
October 7, 2007, 09:23 AM
Cats - absolutely hands down. I know 2 people that had to kill cats that were stalking them while they were still hunting. Something about walking around in the woods as quiet as possible, reeking like elk pee seems to attract them...

Both were during bow season, before bowhunters could wear a sidearm during season, so implement of protection was a well placed broadhead both times...

dbsoundguy
October 11, 2007, 07:19 AM
You want to look behind you every now and again to see if you are being stalked, in heavy lion country - or so I've read.

That is good info...Thanks First Freedom:)