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joeranger
September 28, 2007, 10:15 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928/ap_on_re_us/hog_explosion_1

The only thing better than this would be "Zombies overrun New York";)

Year round - no limit?

cryption
September 28, 2007, 10:17 AM
I keep my rifle in my truck at all times, If I see a hog it dies. They have torn the hell out of our family's land. They DIG.

Doyle
September 28, 2007, 11:49 AM
They've overrun many parts of Florida as well. I'm just fine with that because I dearly love hunting them. They can be as cautious/smart as deer and have better noses so hunting them can be a good challenge. Additionally, I can usually get my wife to eat my homemade piggy sausage whereas she generally won't touch my venison.

Scorch
September 28, 2007, 12:51 PM
That article makes me laugh! "Despite our best efforts, the population continues to grow"! Now, let's see: last time I checked, ranchers in Texas weren't trying to get rid of the hogs, because they charge folks $500-800 to go kill one. They want big hogs because they want trophy fees. What they don't want is herds of sows and piglets rooting up their farms. Last time I checked, sows and piglets and a few years of time was still the only way to get big hogs.

If they were really trying to get rid of the pigs, they would just go out and kill them. Worked for passenger pigeons and buffalo, it would work for pigs.

uzimon
September 28, 2007, 01:48 PM
no limit, no permit, no restrictions on weapon used
also only shotgun faterfowl hunting is reg'd, so assault rifles can be used on wild pig
here's 1 my buddy trapped in angleton, tx
http://www.mocospace.com/html/album/photoalbum-view.jsp?postid=300030

FirstFreedom
September 28, 2007, 03:50 PM
If they really want to reduce them, they should give a bounty on their hides to the landowners, just like we used to do with wolves (for better or worse) - in this case it would be for the better. Then, since the landowners get reimbursed, they have a larger incentive to allow hunters on their lands, and an incentive to not charge as much per hunt. Then we're ALL happy (except maybe the taxpayers of TX).

Trapper L
September 28, 2007, 05:19 PM
And to think, all of the ranchers problems can be traced back to a bunch of city morons that called themselves hunters that went out and bought a bunch of hogs and turned them loose for the hunt. After the hunt, they drove off. Texas is a swine quarantine state. You can no longer transport a hog across a county line without a vet controlled 30 day quarantine. To get a hog from San Antonio to Laredo would take about 6 months and thousands of dollars in vet bills. Last year my brother killed over 2000 of them and the population is growing in his area. The hog has no known animal that predatates on them. Lions would rather eat a deer or something that isn't going to put up a fight. Only man is the danger to a hog. And yes, the article is accurate, they are getting more prolific and numerous. Ranchers do like to have them around but when browse gets scare for them, they will eat calves and lambs. They're kinda like a coyote, the only thing they can't eat and digest is a license plate on a passing 18 wheeler. Add that they will usually either have pseudorabies or brucalosis, you really don't want to touch one after killing it. Both of these can be caught by humans with brucalosis being the most common. If you kill one and have flu like systoms afterward, seek medical advice immediately.

Scorch
September 28, 2007, 05:46 PM
And to think, all of the ranchers problems can be traced back to a bunch of city morons that called themselves hunters that went out and bought a bunch of hogs and turned them loose for the hunt.Well, there were an awful lot of ranchers and farmers that used to run hogs on rangeland and forest land, then once a year they would round them up and castrate the young males and send the rest off to market and that was part of their income for the year (this is straight from one of the folks that grew up that way). Now, the USDA and a few other Gov't organizations decided to try to stop several diseases that were killing off and sickening an awful lot of folks, so they said you couldn't do that anymore. And factory hog farms took the profit out of it for the little guys, so they let their hogs run wild, but country folks still used them for a source of meat. But with the dropping price of pork, it's just about as cheap to go buy a half a hog as it is to kill you own, scald him to get the hair off, skin him, cure the hams and bacon and make sausages out of him. And besides, there were actually some "city morons" that would pay a couple hundred $$ to go out and shoot that pig. And now, a lot of those "city morons" are happy to just sit at home and buy pork chops for $2.99 a pound rather than go out and shoot a 150 pound pig and pay $600 for the privilege. So, why is it that the country (Texas is not alone) has a pig problem? Yes, you could put a bounty on them, and it would work. Or ranchers could just lower their prices, because if they don't the pigs will eat them out of house and home. I'm going to California to hunt pigs next month because a rancher did just that. I don't have the answer, but somebody better figure it out quick!!

kingudaroad
September 28, 2007, 05:48 PM
If they were really trying to get rid of the pigs, they would just go out and kill them.

If that's the case why do we still have coyotes? We hunt them in Texas with helicopters and can't get rid of them.

The hogs seem to be almost completely nocturnal. I like having them around as they give you something else to shoot at while deer hunting. They will chase deer off of a feeder.

I like to eat the sows but those bores are just too smelly for me to mess with. On the downside they hurt the deer hunting a little bit in my opinion.

castnblast
September 29, 2007, 08:47 AM
Yeah, I agree...I'm really looking forward to this season. I've been anxiously anticipating the "Hog Hatch" this year. Those little ones are great, and my 22-250 really does the trick on em. I love those 35-70lb'ers. Pop em in the head no wasted meat, and very tender. I've gone so far as to place ads in the paper volunteering to erradicate hogs for no fee. I get calls and they want to charge me $300-$500.00. I guess they really are not that big a problem...yet...If they really want to get rid of them, it would be free, not for a fee...

JohnKSa
September 29, 2007, 09:30 PM
no permitYou have to have a hunting license. The exception is hunting "depredating feral hogs, if a landowner (resident or non-resident) or landowner's agent or lessee is taking feral hogs causing depredation on the landowner's land."

Double Naught Spy
September 29, 2007, 10:26 PM
Trapper, I think you may have some out of date or inaccurate information.

Trapper L said,
And to think, all of the ranchers problems can be traced back to a bunch of city morons that called themselves hunters that went out and bought a bunch of hogs and turned them loose for the hunt. After the hunt, they drove off.

Um, no. Some may be present because of hunters turning domestic pigs out into the wild to hunt, but feral pigs have been around a long time before feral hog hunting was popularized.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Jbq7X2VDFaoJ:wildlife.tamu.edu/publications/B6149FeralHogs_low.pdf+feral+hog+predator+texas&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us
[Swine]They have been in Texas since the 1680s and were important live-stock to the early settlers, who usually allowed their animals to roam free. When confronted by war and economic hard times, settlers often had to abandon their homesteads on short notice, leaving their animals to fend for
themselves. Thus, many free-ranging domesticated hogs became feral over
time.

Trapper L said,
To get a hog from San Antonio to Laredo would take about 6 months and thousands of dollars in vet bills.

You seem to be suggesting that the feral hogs would have to be tested and requarantined (30 days) for each county line they cross. This is not the case. Also, the swine do not have to be quarantined before being moved within specific parameters. From the source above...

Feral swine trapped on a premise are to be tested negative for
brucellosis and psuedorabies within 30 days before they are moved to
a game preserve or site where they will be maintained for hunting. An accredited veterinarian must draw the blood samples for the tests, at the owners expense.

The tests prior to movement are not required if the swine are taken directly to a slaughter facility or to a livestock market for sale or slaughter. At the livestock market, the feral swine must be held in isolation, under quarantine, and be moved only to slaughter with a permit issued by the TAHC animal health inspector.

Trapper L said,
Add that they will usually either have pseudorabies or brucalosis, you really don't want to touch one after killing it. Both of these can be caught by humans with brucalosis being the most common.

Pseudorabies is not zoonotic (does not transmit to humans) (from same A&M report noted above and http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3741/is_n3_v40/ai_12438567).

Pseudorabies, a viral disease, attacks the central nervous system and can be fatal to cattle, horses, goats, sheep, dogs, cats, raccoons, skunks, opossums and small rodents. It is not related to rabies and it does not infect humans.

As for the statement that most feral hogs have these conditions, I would have to see your source. I have not seen this reported elsewhere.

T-Ray
September 30, 2007, 08:15 PM
that reminds me. i need to ask my dad to take me hog hunting

Ian2005
October 1, 2007, 08:35 AM
Perhaps if Texas wasn't 97% privately owned land, there would be more hunters than those few of us "citiy morons" who have to fork out $200-$400 for a hog at some "guided" ranch. We all arn't fortunatel enough to live out in the middle of nowhere, free to roam the range from sunup to sudown, day after day, actually having to kill to eat. So yes, it is easier to run down and pay $5 for some ribs if we want the meat... but we pay $$$ for the experience, not so much for the meat. Are big deer really worth several thousand dollars??! Heck no, maybe a couple hundred in feed, but that's what keeps these small ranch's running is us city morons and our almighty dollars. :cool:

Eghad
October 1, 2007, 10:08 AM
The Big Thicket National Park has hunting permits that are available to the public with feral hog and deer hunting. You might check some of the Texas State Parks also.

T-Ray
October 2, 2007, 10:07 PM
2 words: deer lease. or grandparents with land, either one:D

aaalaska
October 3, 2007, 01:00 AM
wa wa the hogs i've been making money on are going to cost me money, somebody should pay me!

texgunner
October 3, 2007, 07:41 AM
Last year my uncle killed a dozen hogs outside Columbus and he says there are plenty more. I wouldn't mind a good hog hunt.

Tex

Wild Bill Bucks
October 8, 2007, 06:01 PM
I heard a guy talking about how the hogs had his pasture so tore up that he could not bale his hay this year. When I heard him talking, I told him that I would gladly kill a few off of his land if he would let me, to which he replied, that he did not allow any hunting on his land.

I told him that I hope they did not eat him out of house and home. People who make a safe haven for hogs, deserve what they get. We have an army base here that won't allow you to hunt them, and a state owned reserve that won't allow you to hunt them, and a game ranch that won't allow you to hunt them. All together they cover about 20,000 acres of land that you are not permitted to hunt hogs on. So is it any wonder that the hogs are over running everything in sight?

We don't have any large preditors here in Oklahoma, and what few black bears we have here can't possibly eat all the hogs (most of which are bigger than the bears) so I figure it won't be to long before the hogs literally take over most of the deer country.

Art Eatman
October 8, 2007, 06:08 PM
Hogzilla lives!

:D:D:D

A guy from Big Bend National Park was telling me that the hogs are now in the northern/eastern parts of the Park. They've been trapping and killing, but only getting some of the hogs. It's just a matter of time before they're into the Chiso Mountains area, and then watch the fun! Instead of cougar attacks, we'll start hearing about hog attacks! :D

Art

Double Naught Spy
October 8, 2007, 07:06 PM
Yes, Art, you will...mostly because of the stupid tourists who will try to feed them or who will want to believe that they are not dangerous (They have read Charlotte's Web, thank you very much).

There are already plenty just to the north in Fort Davis.

geezer in NH
October 8, 2007, 10:57 PM
"Zombies overrun New York"

The difference is Hogs can be shot. Democrats are not in season even if this an election year coming up!!

FirstFreedom
October 9, 2007, 12:15 AM
I heard a guy talking about how the hogs had his pasture so tore up that he could not bale his hay this year. When I heard him talking, I told him that I would gladly kill a few off of his land if he would let me, to which he replied, that he did not allow any hunting on his land.

I told him that I hope they did not eat him out of house and home. People who make a safe haven for hogs, deserve what they get

Yup, +1....stupid is as stupid does....

Sigma 40 Blaster
October 14, 2007, 07:59 AM
I'm out in East Texas, in laws have a few hundred acres of land, me and brother in law went squirrel hunting...my first hunt since I was about 10 years old (29 now). Had nightmares about cleaning my first deer (got him on my first day) and haven't really cared about hunting since...got into shooting and decided I want to give it another try.

OK, so I'm leaning against a tree looking up in the trees for a tree rat with a fluffy tail, of course I know where my brother in law is and periodically I'm looking around on the ground and checking my 6:00 periodically for snakes/squirrels/whatever else. My uncle has told me that he might come join us, so when I hear branches/leaves crackling it doesn't phase me much, then as I turn to see him I have a big ugly hog looking right at me 15-20 yards away. I jump out of surprise and reach for my pistol (too far to be confident with my #6 shot steel shots) and I spook him...he runs off to join what looks like 20 or so of his ugly comarades barely within seeing distance.

Will my .40 cal lay one or several of these ugly suckers down or would my AR-15 be a better choice? I am going to go get some kind of deer rifle before next month but I want a hog NEXT WEEKEND.

45Marlin carbine
October 14, 2007, 09:04 AM
I've read that feral hogs are a problem there in Texas, in parts of S. Carolina they are bad also, South of Anderson there is a 1600 acre plot that I'm hoping to get the OK to hunt on, they have rooted the place up something terrible. I have to take a big sow and bury it before I can take an 'eating' pig tho. around 200 lbs and smaller is ideal eating size.
looks like a job for my Mini-30.

Art Eatman
October 14, 2007, 09:39 AM
Sigma, if your intent is to hunt hogs, the AR will work with heavy bullets, but I'd limit myself to head shots. Same aim with the pistol. Between the eye and the ear, roughly; a bit below the ear.

Shotgunning for squirrels, well, me, I'd leave the AR at home.

Thick hide, heavy bones. .30-30-type cartridges work well in the relatively short distances in thicker woods.

Art

Sigma 40 Blaster
October 15, 2007, 06:12 AM
Thanks Art, I was thinking the same thing...a couple of guys were talking about going on a hog hunt...no way I want to be packing a shotgun, pistol, and AR through the woods. I went ahead and bought a few boxes of slugs 'til deer season...started working on the wife about a hunting rifle yesterday (that's what I told her the AR was for...gotta wait for a while to see if the forgets, wish I would've got it in .308 instead of .223).

RangerHAAF
October 15, 2007, 07:24 AM
Hogs are a huge problem and not just in Texas, they are a big problem in south GA and in Florida. It seems that the only way to deal with them forcefully is to remove all legal barriers to hunting them 24 hours a day.

These guys http://jagerpro.com/ use night vision devices to hunt them when they are most active but they charge outrageous rates to allow it to be done. I guess I need to look into buying some NODs to hunt them with.

langenc
October 15, 2007, 09:55 AM
For the 150#er use your deer rifle. If the babies (30-50 or so) come by just shoot in the head as suggested.

kjm
October 17, 2007, 12:22 PM
no limit, no permit, no restrictions on weapon used

More accurately, you must have a license and you may use any LEGAL weapon, so you can't use a machine gun or other NFA device as TPWD states plainly that they are illegal for hunting.

That being said, killing hogs is fun, easy and something to do outside of deer/dove/duck season in Texas. I can't imagine a lot of hogs in Big Bend, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised. They thive out on our land by Victoria and I can't shoot them fast enough. I don't eat them though. I just let the other hogs and fire ants eat them.

FirstFreedom
October 17, 2007, 12:44 PM
http://jagerpro.com/photogallery.aspx

so there's hogs in Washington, Ohio, and North Pole, Alaska!? :confused:

Scorch
October 17, 2007, 02:29 PM
so there's hogs in Washington, Ohio, and North Pole, Alaska!?No, there are hog hunters from all those places that feel a need to go to Georgia, apparently.

Actually, there were hogs in Washington a few years back. WA Dept of Fish and Wildlife put out the word you could take as many as you wanted, and pretty soon they just disappeared. Pretty cool, huh?

davlandrum
October 17, 2007, 02:41 PM
Scorch - do you really think they are gone? Oregon DFW finally admitted there maybe some in Oregon...

CmpsdNoMore
October 17, 2007, 05:48 PM
If anyone in Texas wants someone to get rid if some hogs, gimme a place to pitch a tent and I'll gladly come down and shoot some.
Sounds like fun!

davlandrum
October 17, 2007, 06:16 PM
my buddy and I did a trip to Texas. Drove hard down, hunted 3 days, drove like mad to make it home. The quarters were frozen before we left, and we got dry ice as soon as we headed out and then some more in Vegas - quarters were still frozen when we got home.

The outfitter was a disappointment in a lot of ways - specifically the website implied there would be more varmit (coyote, bobcat) hunting than you could carry ammo and there was NONE. Some of the guys who flew in even brought thier varmit rifles and a lot of extra ammo.

Hogs were all small - biggest killed was maybe 125 lbs.

But hunting the buggers was a rush. It was like walking up quail, in that they would sit tight in heavy brush until you almost stepped on them and then the whole bunch would go squealing in all directions.

FirstFreedom
October 17, 2007, 07:08 PM
If anyone in Texas wants someone to get rid if some hogs, gimme a place to pitch a tent and I'll gladly come down and shoot some.

+1, me too, word!

But hunting the buggers was a rush. It was like walking up quail, in that they would sit tight in heavy brush until you almost stepped on them and then the whole bunch would go squealing in all directions.

That's an interesting description. :)

Scorch
October 17, 2007, 11:11 PM
Scorch - do you really think they are gone?I don't know. Oregon has oak trees and hills and much more suitable habitat than Washington. I imagine there are still some hiding out, but an aquaintance that lives near Tenino says they had them around for a while but they're all killed. We'll see.

CamoCop
October 18, 2007, 03:28 AM
i watched a hunt'n show the other day on the outdoor channel and they were kill'n hogs with a pellet rifle.

castnblast
October 23, 2007, 03:40 PM
I heard about that. It was one of those mega power deals...What show was it? I can't say I'd advocate it, but it would sure be interesting to see the outfit he was using...I've got a .177 that will put a pellet though a fence plank, and I use it for coon's opossums, ravens, etc.

CamoCop
October 24, 2007, 04:28 AM
it was the "hunting university" show or whatever it's called. where the host is a college professor, lawyer, etc. he was using a Gamo pellet rifle that shoots 1,600 fps.

Scorch
October 24, 2007, 11:00 AM
I just read an ad the other day where one of the hunting outfits in Texas is giving away "free" hog hunts. No fee for taking a hog, but you still pay for processing, and tips are recommended. And of course, you pay to get there and back.
http://www.wildhoghunttexas.com/freehoghunt.htm?gclid=CPjd8Zr0p48CFRJXagod9Ep8RQ

davlandrum
October 24, 2007, 11:19 AM
Scorch - that is the outfitter that we used. We went with them as they were offering a free hunt for a "birthday" if there was 1 paid hunter with the birthday boy.

Anyone can PM me if they need additional info about our experience with them. Not to run someone down in a public forum, but I would not use them again.