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hunter33
September 27, 2007, 11:12 AM
My friend hunts in the valley with 12 gauge he had just came back and told me he shot a doe with buck shot and it took off like nothing happened he said he was abut 20 feet away when he made the shot later that week he went out again and saw that same doe with a big blood stain on it again he made the shot but with a slug and got it.should buck shot be used? i know all you guys are gonna be asking me what size shot he was using and i forgot.

NRA4life
September 27, 2007, 12:51 PM
Unless he had one of the 47 or so special youth hunt tags, he wasn't hunting legally.

Mavrik
September 27, 2007, 12:57 PM
should buck shot be used?


As I posted in another thread. Buckshot isn't a legal method in some states.

Mavrik

wingshooter1
September 27, 2007, 01:15 PM
i hunt in a buckshot legal state, and i have used it many times and never had a deer run more than 100 yards......

i'd say your friend dint pattern the gun, didnt aim for the vitals,

also when he shot the deer and it took off, he went home instead of tracking the deer and finishing it off...

all bad/irresponsible moves as a hunter


just my .02cents

Musketeer
September 27, 2007, 02:32 PM
also when he shot the deer and it took off, he went home instead of tracking the deer and finishing it off...

That was what I was thinking.

Dirty_Harry
September 27, 2007, 04:31 PM
also when he shot the deer and it took off, he went home instead of tracking the deer and finishing it off...

I concur:rolleyes:

hunter33
September 27, 2007, 06:12 PM
excuse me for not being "the best hunter" i am a new hunter but when you say pattern your gun what do you mean?

JAXX
September 27, 2007, 06:31 PM
The problem is that he was using "Buck" shot and not "Doe" shot:D

In all seriousness, for one, I don't see why anyone would hunt big game for meat with buckshot. Number 2, as previously stated, he should have tracked the animal no matter how long it might have taken. He acted in a very irresponsible manner and you not being an educated hunter, he was banking on the fact that you probably wouldn't be able to point out his irresponsible actions.

wingshooter1
September 27, 2007, 06:43 PM
patterning a gun is something you do to see how it shoots and wich brand shells shoot better,,,,basicaly the easiest cheapest way is to take a few pieces of plywood about 4 feet by 4 feet to them you staple a regular paper plate, place them at various distances say 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 yards, i go all the way to 80 yards cause i also shoot ducks,,,


ok once your targets are set you shoot once at each plate then writte on the plate the distance and shotshell brand,

staple new plates to the plywood and shoot again once in each with a different brand or size shell

allways remember to writte on the plate the distance and the brand buckshot u use

do this with as many brands as u can, take all the plates sort them by distances and then see wich ones have the most pellet holes in them,,that will tell you wich brand buckshot patterns the best for that gun,,and will also tell you about how far you can be deadly with it

Mannlicher
September 27, 2007, 06:43 PM
Buckshot has maimed and wounded more deer than anything else you can hunt with. I would not use it for deer, under any circumstances. I am not surprised that the darn thing ran off.

SavageSniper
September 27, 2007, 07:19 PM
Mannlicher you have stated the truth!!! Being from North Fla too I have shot many a deer with buckshot in my younger years. Outside 30 yrds it is a coin toss. I have seen many deer tracked with and without dogs for very long distances after being hit IN THE VITAL ZONE with buckshot. My personal opinon is that at 50+ yards a .22LR would be more effective. I think it should be outlawed for deer. If you have to use a shotgun, use a slug.
PS- I am not in any way promoting the use of a .22LR for the taking of deer so put the dogs up:D

TCman
September 27, 2007, 07:42 PM
he said later that week he took the deer with a slug, so following a blood trail wouldnt have helped much. She would be looking for something following her and would have spooked before he was in range.

JAXX
September 27, 2007, 07:47 PM
he said later that week he took the deer with a slug, so following a blood trail wouldnt have helped much. She would be looking for something following her and would have spooked before he was in range.

That is still no excuse for not tracking a wounded animal. That's the responsibility we all have to deal with if we are going to be responsible hunters. If you plan on shooting an animal, you'd better plan on tracking that animal. If you choose to use a weapon that is not as effective as another, that's your choice. You still have a responsiblity to the sport, to your fellow hunters, and last but not least, the animal you just wounded.

wingshooter1
September 27, 2007, 07:55 PM
i disagree with buckshot not being efective, I have taken many with it and never lost any,,,its all in patterning your gun and knowing the limitations of both the gun and the shooter

tyrajam
September 27, 2007, 07:57 PM
Guys, you can't assume he gave up tracking to soon, especially since the doe was supposedly shot again and killed a week later. As NRA4life pointed out, this was before the season opened, so was he poaching????
I have shot one deer with buckshot, and it knocked her over like a train hit her. That said, I don't think I will ever use it again, especially since I now live in Indiana where buckshot is illegal.

Honestly, this whole story smells to me. He was supposedly hunting before the season opened. He shot a deer from 20 FEET and it didn't die. At 20 feet, the pattern wouldn't have opened hardly at all, a duck load would practically drill a hole through and kill a deer. And this wounded deer survived a week and then he happened to see the same deer, that still had blood on its fur after a week but wasn't wounded badly enough to die, and happens to shoot it? I'm calling BS on the whole story.

wingshooter1
September 27, 2007, 07:58 PM
he said later that week he took the deer with a slug, so following a blood trail wouldnt have helped much. She would be looking for something following her and would have spooked before he was in range.


that part i find hard to believe, one week later same deer with a big blood stain......seems to me that a big blood stain would have been more reason to track it, if the stain was that big she would have bedded down and died some of the pellets would have hit something vital:confused:

hunter33
September 27, 2007, 10:59 PM
ok for the people calling me a lier it wasn't me that did this and it was last year when he took the deer not this year so it was legal he has been knowing to fib a little bit but alot of you arnt getting the point should buckshot be used?

Yithian
September 28, 2007, 03:04 AM
Lets say the story is true...

He is a poor shot, at the least.

For a deer to survive a week in the wild with up to 9 holes in it means that the deer was not shot in the vitals at all.
Sounds to me like he either rushed a bad shot or was just out goofing off with a firearm he had zero experience with.
Both bad.
The entire point of ethical hunting is to harvest an animal with the least amount of suffering to the animal.

To just simply answer your basic question...
Yes, buckshot kills deer quite well.
That's why it's called buck-shot and not burglar-shot.

The important thing about this story is that the use of a shotgun does NOT mean that it is just a simple point-and-click firearm.
He made a terrible choice to shoot, obviously.
Irresponsible hunters in the past, are the reason for making it illegal in many areas.
It is different than a pistol, rifle or bow in its use, but it still requires practise, training and understanding.

Gbro
September 28, 2007, 06:19 AM
From the original post;
i know all you guys are gonna be asking me what size shot he was using and i forgot.

We may have mised an important issue. The hunter using Buck Shot? was it BS, or just Shot?
Last weekend ther was a shooting incident in the area where i live.
one was shot with buckshot, Not life threatening.
I have to talk to the CO about this, as it probly wasn't BS, just Shot, or bird shot?

wingshooter1;
patterning a gun is something you do to see how it shoots and wich brand shells shoot better,,,,basicaly the easiest cheapest way is to take a few pieces of plywood about 4 feet by 4 feet to them you staple a regular paper plate, place them at various distances say 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 yards, i go all the way to 80 yards cause i also shoot ducks,,,

How about cardboard for a cheap way, Plywood is $20-$40 a sheet.

wingshooter1
September 28, 2007, 07:14 AM
How about cardboard for a cheap way, Plywood is $20-$40 a sheet.



true,,,,;)

TCman
September 30, 2007, 03:59 PM
Jaxx Im not saying not to follow the blood trail, im just saying the deer would have spooked. Hindsight is 20/20.

geezer in NH
October 8, 2007, 11:21 PM
35 years of hunting in New England IMHO buck shot should NOT be used for deer it is not reliable to kill and wounds many that are found after the coyotes and crows find them.

Mannlicher
October 10, 2007, 07:46 AM
Unless he had one of the 47 or so special youth hunt tags, he wasn't hunting legally.

I bet it was a youth hunt alright.

capitan-d
October 10, 2007, 08:40 AM
The story stinks!

Art Eatman
October 10, 2007, 08:51 AM
Leave out the woulda/coulda/shoulda, okay?

The deal is that the shot did spread out so there wasn't a massive internal messup. After all, the doe was still wandering around, later on. The shot might not have been from as close up as the shooter thought, when he told the story.

Odds are that the choke wasn't Full or Turkey.

Bottom line is that buckshot isn't as effective on deer, for the average or novice hunter (and his shotgun) as folks believe. 00 Buck is what, 30 caliber? Coming out at only 1,200 or 1,300 ft/sec? There is a reason for all this R&D on slugs and slug guns for deer...

Art