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Magnum Wheel Man
September 6, 2007, 10:33 AM
seen them listed as 7.5 or 7.62 X 45...

BTW... not my pics, but this is what my rifle looks like...

I had my tool & die buddy build me a jig to make 7.62 X 45 cases out of 220 swift brass... anyone know an easier / cheaper way ???

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26675&d=1189092671

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26677&d=1189092715

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26676&d=1189092695

Leif
September 6, 2007, 11:58 AM
Boy, you do like the oddball rifles and cartridges, don't you? :D

Sorry, I'm of no help here.

Gewehr98
September 6, 2007, 01:20 PM
I've got a webpage devoted to them.

http://mauser98.com/vz52.html

I sell the reloadable 7.62x45 brass, since you aren't going to find much in the way of original ammo these days. As stated above, .220 Swift parent brass will work, but isn't the easiest to modify. You have to turn off the rim and deepen the extractor groove, plus resize and trim. I use 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schonauer brass, or 6.5 Carcano brass. ;)

http://mauser98.com/vzplusammo.jpg

Magnum Wheel Man
September 6, 2007, 01:59 PM
:rolleyes:

& yes LEIF... I have a penchant for the "unique"... Honestly, this ones been stored in the vault for a long time... I did have it out just after my father in law's death, & after my buddy told me how to make the cases... shot it just a little bit with new brass cartridges & non corrosive ammo

mines in "good" milsurp condition, no paint,but have no idea how much work my father in law did on the rifle before hand

give me a day or two todigest the website, & see if I have any other questions...

KDM
September 6, 2007, 03:14 PM
Totally off-topic, but where can these be found? I've seen/read of VZ-52s, they've always piqued my interest simply because of their "oddball" cartridge. I think it'd be a fun rifle. More interesting than a pedestrian 308. :rolleyes:

Magnum Wheel Man
September 6, 2007, 03:41 PM
mines been put away for quite a while..., but I used to see them come up for sale on the big "on line" Milsurp dealers, but I haven't seen one for sale for a long time now...

Gewehr98
September 8, 2007, 04:40 PM
Along with cases of the surplus steel-cased 7.62x45 ammo. The guns and ammo have long since dried up.

Some importers saw fit to slather the guns with black texture paint in an effort to hide ugly wood.

Finding a good specimen these days is one of those "being in the right place at the right time" things. If you find one, see if it has the black crinkle paint, and CHECK THE BORE! Corrosive ammo was the norm, and it wreaked havoc on the barrels.

There was also a VZ-52/57 variant that came out just prior to the Czech VZ-58 rifle, and it's chambered in the Soviet 7.62x39 M43 round - obviously a lot easier to keep fed.

SLANTNOSE1
November 29, 2007, 12:23 PM
Hi, the easiest way I found to eliminate the ammo problem, is to have several thousand rounds of the 7.62X45 safely tucked away. These are really pretty neat weapons, I actually have 3 of them, all in excellent condition. One of them has that brownish-black splatter coating on the stock, but the other two are the original wood finish. I even have a spare, complete barreled receiver/action, that I converted it to 7.62X39, in order to not use up my stash of the 7.62X45 ammo. The rifle is very cool in its original condition, with the built in bayonet, hooded front sight, etc., and not being too heavy to lug around. I just wish I had a source for higher capacity magazines.

ISC
November 29, 2007, 01:54 PM
I used to have three of them. Two good shooters and one that I rebuilt from a box of junk from Hunters Lodge.

The one I built came with a stock that was in 3 pieces, so I made a new stock for it using an SKS stock that I radically modified. I installed a AK-47 pistol grip and attached the forend and VZ52 bayonet to the SKS stock. I then made a handguard for it from a shotgun handguard. It shot fine, despite the bore being completely corroded. I sold it along with 2000 rounds of ammo a few years ago.

I still have a bunch of magazines for it. I was thinking about cutting a few up and welding them together to make some high caps, but forgot about it. I have 10 VZ 52 mags and a new in the white 762x39 barrel that I would love to sell or trade if anyone's interested.

HorseSoldier
November 29, 2007, 04:43 PM
Totally off-topic, but where can these be found? I've seen/read of VZ-52s, they've always piqued my interest simply because of their "oddball" cartridge.

I see them from time to time at gun shows, along with the occasional boxes of ammo for them. Definitely not out there in abundance, though.

MosinM38
November 29, 2007, 11:08 PM
OH I love those guns!! NEver shot one, but handled a couple and they are neat... SOmehow I just get a kick out of them..If it wasn't so difficult to get ammo(Or make your own) I think I would hafta get one ;) Still might.

SLANTNOSE1
November 30, 2007, 04:37 PM
Hi ISC, I sent you an email. Tony.

tshadow6
November 30, 2007, 04:52 PM
Can they be converted to 7.62 X 39 ? I would love to buy one but I am trying to stay with 9mm and 7.62 X 39.

ISC
December 1, 2007, 10:52 AM
You can get a chamber adapter that basicall installs with locktite, and that would be OK for range use I guess.
I bought a new barrel chambered for 7.62x39 but never installed it on my rifle before I sold them. I still have the barrel if anyone is interestedin getting it. Installation would involve complete disassembly of the rifle (including gas sleeve and bushing) pressing out the barrel pin, pressing out the old barrel, pressing in the new barrel, headspacing, pressing in the barrel pin, and reassembling the rifle. Nothing an amatuer with the right tools ( a 20 ton press, vise, and some wrenches) couldn't do iin an afternoon.

ISC
December 3, 2007, 01:17 PM
here are those pictures. I sold all this stuff in the picture for $450 about a year and a half ago

The first picture is the completeded rifle with some spare parts, about 2000 rounds of ammo, and extra mags including a 30 round AK mag that I tried to modify. The 30 round mag locked in place, but I could only load 12 rounds into it because the mag curved too much for the 7.62x45 round.

The second pic shows the ventilated handguard I made, how I shortened the barrel to 16 1/4", and what it looked like when I mated the forend of the VZ52 stock and bayonet to the SKs stock.

The last pic shows how I inlet the VZ 52 forend into the SKS bayonet groove, and then filled the empty spot in the mag well.

ISC
December 3, 2007, 01:23 PM
another picture. The rifle handled and shot really well when I was done with it, but I put way too much work into it. I never should have sold it.

This picture shows how I removed the pistol grip portion of the SKS stockand then installed the AK pistol grip in the SKS stock mag opening, to the rear of the VZ 52 receiver. That effectively added about 1 1/2 inch to the the buttstock.

I attached the pistol grip by cutting the head off the 6mm bolt that held the VZ receiver locking lug in place. I then threaded the 6mm headless bolt with a 1/4-20 die and screwed it into a coupling. I screwed the other end onto a 1/4 -20 bolt that I inserted through the AK grip. This securely sandwiched the SKS stock between the locking lug and pistol grip.

I had to make another small filler block on top of the stock behind the receiver to fill the void created by moving the reciever forward. All the wood pieces were joined with marine epoxy and then small brass machine bolts were crFinally, I screwed into predilled holes and their heads were cut off.

Finally I stained it and put on about 5 coats of boiled linseed oil. I had to wait several days between each coat so it would dry.

Manedwolf
December 3, 2007, 01:38 PM
Regarding the chamber adapter, I've heard repeated accounts of those going flying on ejection eventually. Good luck finding it when it does!

Aforland
December 15, 2008, 07:54 PM
I am a shooter and a owner of one.. I am looking for parts for mine..

Aforland
December 17, 2008, 10:01 PM
I just looked at the pictures of the rifle I am trying to find a way to take the black stuff off mine.. and see if I can have the barrel resleeved.. is there a way to make the Ak mag take more rounds then 12.. or make another mag work for it?/

Inspector3711
December 17, 2008, 10:15 PM
I've never heard of these before.... What kind of price do they go for if ya can find one... And wouldn't it just be too cool to show up at the range with one... They look pretty cool... Do they feed reliably? What does the cartridge compare to power wise?

ISC
December 18, 2008, 06:27 AM
I saw a nice VZ 52/57 at a gunshow last wekend for $1200. That's about $500 or $600 more that it as worth.

The original 7.63x45 round is almost identical in performance to the 7.62x45 round. They shoot good, but are prone to having bad bores and cracked stocks. If you rechamber it for 7.62x39 the original mags become less reliable, but it's a fairly easy thing to modify an AK 47 mag to fit a 7.62x39 VZ 52

Inspector3711
December 18, 2008, 09:05 AM
At those prices I'll be shopping for an SKS instead... I top out at about $800 for gun purchases. They are pretty neat though.

.30-06 Guy
December 18, 2008, 02:09 PM
Buffalo has brass for the 7.62X45, I believe it is almost a buck a pop. 6.5 Carcano brass on the other hand is half that and can be modified quite simply. I have located some mags for mine but they range from $20-$30 apiece. I see these on ebay as well as original ammo for them. I have one that I would sell for $350 with one mag and one 15-rd box of original steel case ammo(all I have) if anyone is interested. I would rather put that money with some more and buy a CAR-15. The 7.62X45 is a useful cartridge, as it fires a somewhat heavier (132 gr) bullet at 150-200 fps faster than the 39mm round. The detachable mag is also a nice feature, but I just need to rid myself of "bastard" calibers.:eek:

Aforland
December 18, 2008, 10:01 PM
Mine is 7.62X45 but the barrel is shot out.. I E-mailed a couple places about barrels and they said theres were pretty worn out too. I found a couple of these online for 600 and and found one for 400.. the ammo I found is in good shape and been buying for 9 dollars a box 15.. I like shotting mone alot.. 100 yards and being shot out does good still.. just tumbles badly.. I found a couple places that make stocks for them one is pretty pricey and I found a guy who mades mussle brakes for them.. pretty sharpe looking

Aforland
December 20, 2008, 01:53 PM
is there any way to get the black rhino liner of the stock?/

ISC
December 20, 2008, 05:28 PM
the black crap will come off with chemical stripper, but they usually put that stuff on to cover up repairs to the wood. You probably won't like what you find under it.

Tamara
December 20, 2008, 06:25 PM
Have one (http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2007/07/vz-52-rifle-handy-hybrid.html). Love it. Gewehr98 is the go-to guy for info.

Aforland
December 25, 2008, 03:36 PM
I know about one of the cracks in it. I was thinking about taking off the black crap and pin up the stock where the crack is.. I striped it down so I can do the repairs and blue the barrel.. and get the barrel resleeved so the markings are the same..

VaFisher
December 25, 2008, 08:47 PM
I have a nice version of one of these and have never shot it since I purchased simply because I havent seen ammo for it and havent really looked for any but after this post I may get to it. This gun really got my attention because it looked like a cool gun to have.

Aforland
December 26, 2008, 11:47 AM
I like shooting mine just have to work on it.. now though I found parts all over for it and I been finding alot of ammo for it to for cheap

srinde
February 6, 2009, 07:51 PM
I just got one and need a barrel badly. Anyone have any ideas ?

Aforland
September 8, 2009, 12:54 PM
I found a guy at Omega guns in AZ that has barrels but he said they were is sad shape.. he gots alot of the parts for them.