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vito
August 19, 2007, 09:50 AM
I've owned rifles and many handguns, but I think I would like to get a shotgun to keep at the ready for home defense. Looking at the selection in the gun store, it appeared that I have at least two choices of moderately priced guns to choose from: The Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500. Any thoughts on which of these is the better choice for my needs or are there others I should be considering?

Valmet
August 19, 2007, 10:57 AM
Both are excellent guns. The safety on the Mossberg is a bit more ambidextrous but aside from that they are both on the same page (Mossberg is probably going to be a little bit cheaper new or used). I also belive that Benelli makes a tactical model of the Nova pump. If you are looking to spend a bit more money the Benelli M1 Super 90 is sweet. Just my .02

spoolup
August 19, 2007, 11:35 AM
Either or evena better answer... BOTH. I have mutlple 870s, 1 mossie (soon the 2nd), and a benelli. Best thing is to fire each and see which one you like. I like the 870s since owning 1 for 15 years, being issued one in the marines, and I think it feels better than the mossie in terms on sloppy-ness. But you can not go wrong with either.

http://home.comcast.net/~utspoolup/HD_shotties_resized.JPG

K-Minus
August 20, 2007, 09:12 PM
If you plan on giving it a pistol grip then go with the 870.It allows you to
manipulate the safty without moving your hand from the pistol grip.
The 870's are a tad bit heavier than the 500's/590's but if you do a riot gun
configuration than the extra weight isn't really a bad thing since it allows you the fire multiple shots without the muzzle jumping as high.I'd go with the 870.

ARmasterzach
August 20, 2007, 09:23 PM
new england 10 guage:D

ocharry
August 20, 2007, 09:35 PM
hey spoolup,,,, nice shot guns

i have an 870 and 1100,,, be hard to pick just one

i like them Remingtons

my personal taste on a shot gun is just a regular stock,,,, like the mossburg in the pic,,, i just think they handle better,,, but hay,,,, different strokes

get the 870

ocharry

Desert01
August 21, 2007, 05:31 AM
http://desertsystms.com/500R.jpg

ronto
August 21, 2007, 08:56 AM
I like the Mossberg 500...More user friendly location of the saftey and slide release, shell elevator does not get in the way when loading, duel shell ejectors, and larger standard magazine capacity...The 870 is also a fine weapon, but I prefer the Mossberg for the above reasons...And it costs less.

Kreyzhorse
August 21, 2007, 09:05 AM
Mossy - mine came with a 28" rifled slug barrell and a shorter 24" (I think) shot barrell. I paid less than $300 at Wally for it and its been a fine gun.

Trinity-Nine
August 21, 2007, 09:08 AM
For HD, I went with an 870 Express Magnum. I keep 00's in it for HD role.
The Butler Creek folding stock is okay, but I had to add a Limbsaver to it.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r103/latinocowboy/02/DSCN1411_2.jpg

VirgilCaine
August 21, 2007, 09:56 AM
Mossy Persuader is a nice choice, but they tend to rattle and make noise. No big deal, I guess....

YounGun24
August 21, 2007, 11:28 AM
I'm also looking at getting the Mossberg 500 Cruiser model with the pistol grip for SD, But I don't know if I should get the 20g or the 12g. I'm thinking there are a bunch of people that use 12g, but I know that a 410 has the kncokdown of a 357mag, s0 I think the 20g might be suitable and cheaper.

Wrascal
August 22, 2007, 06:54 AM
My preference is for the Mossy, and while looking at picking up another one I came across the Maverick 88, a cloned Mossberg. It was at Walmart for $165.

I'll be leaving it hidden in the truck, always available to theft/confiscation/ or emergency use.

Birdville2011
August 22, 2007, 11:25 AM
They're both great but my preference is the 870.

Stan_TheGunNut
August 26, 2007, 09:23 AM
Either the Remington 870 or the Mossberg 500 are fine guns for HD. Both can be purchased new in a HD configuration. Depending on how you may want to modify it, one or the other might be better suited to your needs. Typically, left handers prefer the Mossberg due to the placement of the safety. If you're going to put pistol grip on the shotgun, a Remington might be better.

I have both, and they have both proven rugged and reliable.

Balrog54
August 26, 2007, 08:05 PM
I own one of each and I love 'em both, but if I was forced to choose I think I'd pick my Mossberg 20" 8 shot. Not that it's necessarily better than the Remington, Mossbergs just appeal to me.
(First post here on TFL by the way).

MyXD40
August 26, 2007, 08:20 PM
870

iracodypatterson
August 26, 2007, 08:50 PM
As far as quality, I do not think there is a difference between the two. They are both excellent firearms. Best thing I would recommend would be to actually hold and work both of them, and go with whichever one feels better to you.

Personally, I prefer semi-autos so I would be looking at a Remington 11-87 but that is just me.

Dave McC
August 27, 2007, 09:20 PM
After admiring the fine shotguns pictured above, I noted that most of them need something more than the many addons shown.

THEY NEED WEAR MARKS!.....

Desert01
August 27, 2007, 09:47 PM
How's this:
http://desertsystms.com/500close.jpg

Of course that is with a new barrel and after I Alumahided the darn thing. It didn't stay on very well. Even a trace of the silver is showing over the exection port:o and the loading gate I suppose when my Wingmaster gets back from refinish I will need to re-bless it, It's only 30 or so years old.

madmag
August 29, 2007, 12:06 PM
I have an 870 12 ga. and of course it is always a good choice, but the shotgun I keep loaded for HD is a Winchester 1300 (18.5") 20ga. I know they are out of production, but some are still around in inventory. Add ons are not as easy to find as 870, but if you get the setup you want you probably won't need to change much anyway. But why the 1300 for me? I like the smaller size, fast action, and it is just a good fit to my shoulder.

For me, I am not worried about the hitting power issue between 12ga. & 20ga. I have been convinced for a long time that the BG will never be able to tell you the difference if he gets hit with a 20ga.

biglabsrule
August 29, 2007, 02:56 PM
I love my 870 wingmaster, my fathers model 1300 'defender' winchester is a great gun also, very nice hd gun

http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/rifles-shotguns/shotguns/cPath/209_302

They have some mossy 500's in now, did have some very nice 870's from police cruisers before, but don't see them now...

What Just Happened?
August 29, 2007, 08:22 PM
You can also get a new Mossberg 500 from Big 5. They have a model in there right now for $250.

B. Adams
August 29, 2007, 11:18 PM
I have 3 Winchester 1300 Defenders for HD. I like them, but they're getting harder to find at a reasonable price. Accessories are hard to find, but that's not an issue for me since I have no desire to accessorize them.

If I were buying a new shotgun for HD, I'd probably go with an 870, preferrably a Wingmaster or Police model. That said, I do have two 870's, both express models, and they have always been 100% reliable.

MTMilitiaman
August 30, 2007, 12:08 AM
As a lefty, most tell me I should actually prefer the Mossberg because of its tang safety. But I learned on the 870 about ten years ago and after still not seeing one quit, it has just earned my respect.

I have large enough hands to manipulate the controls without a problem and have fired tens of thousands of rounds through various 870s. Those things just don't quit.

I have no doubt the Mossy is a good shotgun. The one's I have handled haven't been as smooth as my Wingmaster. But that could be any number of things as I've only ever handled Mossbergs in used gun racks at various pawn shops and gun stores.

Slopemeno
August 30, 2007, 12:23 AM
I believe there are left-handed safety buttons for the 870-1100 series.

Desert01
August 30, 2007, 06:25 AM
I believe there are left-handed safety buttons for the 870-1100 series.

:Left handed conversions of the Remington Safety can be done by a good gunsmith. My 11-87 and 870 both have been converted. I prefer the 500's safety location, hence it is my primary.

45Marlin carbine
August 30, 2007, 07:36 AM
some fine weapons pitcured, I keep a 12 ga 'coach gun' propped in the corner by my bed if the Makarov under my pillow ain't enough or if I have to go outside (I'm rural) #6 hi-brass right bbl. 000 mag left bbl.

Neophyte1
August 30, 2007, 09:07 AM
vito; 870; you won. NO to buckshot; At close range 25 yds. less
6 or 7 shot low powder.
Benefits of 870; can go rabbit hunting after sun-up:)
Specialty; generally means one dimension;
Get something you can enjoy doing something else with. :D
870 covers all.

Craig

Nakanokalronin
August 31, 2007, 02:10 AM
I have a NEF Pardner Protector 16 1/2 barrel that was modeled after the 870. Works very nicely and only cost $170.

http://www.hr1871.com/Images/photo_pardnerpump_protector.jpg

Leif
August 31, 2007, 07:20 AM
These are moderately priced:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=011B&cat_id=012&type_id=244

I have the "Hunter" version of the BPS and find it to be a solid, reliable shotgun. Nice tang safety, too.

spoolup
August 31, 2007, 12:12 PM
Naka, do you not mean 18.5" barrel? But after looking at your photo, it does not look like a 2shot extension would fit withint the barrel so maybe it is 16.5", which would make it a SBS, class3, so the $200 paperwork fee brings the cost up and the "safe requirments" would also increase headache. I also would NEVER shoot a BG with a class 3 weapon.

I could simply be mistaking however. You know photos do weird things to the way you see something.

spoolup
August 31, 2007, 12:18 PM
Figured it out, looks like that is actually 18" (if not 20) on that gun in the photo. The pardners seem to have moved the barrel mount on the barrel forward thus why I was thinking it looked weird. There is a large area of the mag tube shown between the forend and the mag cap, Where as the 870 does not have that area shown (it is the end of the tube) and when a extension is added it sits after the barrel mount like this photo show

http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/shotgun/smsil_870expsyn7.jpg

Thus everythign lines up. I was going to say, wow, how can someone sell a SBS for less than the cost to even generate the paperwork to create it.

Dave McC
August 31, 2007, 12:55 PM
01, that's a good start, keep it up.

Jay1958
December 22, 2007, 05:34 PM
I have been looking at these: New England Protector model shotguns. Does anybody else have one? Thoughts? Comments? I can pick one up for around $160 NIB here locally. Or should I hold out for a Maverick 88 or Mossberg 500 in security (18 or 20-inch cylinder bore) models?

Snowman92D
December 22, 2007, 05:46 PM
My vote would have to go toward the 870. Can't imagine that you'd ever wear one of those out, and repeated practice is the key for any sort of defensive shooting.

Jay1958
December 22, 2007, 11:13 PM
Snowman, is the 870 really worth twice as much as the Maverick 88 in a similar configuration? and almost 60% more than a Mossberg 500?

I obviously don't want an inferior firearm just to save money, but at the same time I don't want to pay twice as much for something unless there is a real difference in quality, durability or performance.

And where does the NEF Protector fall in comparison with the Maverick 88, the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870? I am only considering the 18-inch cylinder bore security model - not interested in hunting or skeet.

cabbynate
December 22, 2007, 11:21 PM
I just picked up this one today. Shoots great. The stock felt good for what it was and firing from the hip was easy on the hand/wrist.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/649/defender1pn2.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defender1pn2.jpg)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6179/defender2kf7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defender2kf7.jpg)

It's a Mossberg 500 Homeland Defender edition. 22" barrel, 8+1, Knoxx Specops folder stock and a Streamlight TL-2 LED Light......