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YounGun24
July 23, 2007, 03:18 PM
Okay, so I had always been told that James Bond's Walther PPK was a .380acp. However, Wikipedia says that his trusty old PPK was in the 7.65 Browning caliber, translating to a .32 What's the true story here?

CraigJS
July 23, 2007, 03:31 PM
I think in the origional books he shot a .25 cal. Someone correct me if I'm wrong..
Be safe.

Beretta 418 6.35mm (.25) replaced in 1958 (Dr. No) with a Walther PPK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_418

Pictures here:http://www.gipa.it/start.html

Creature
July 23, 2007, 03:33 PM
Good question!!

I dont know why but I was always under the impression it a .32 instead of the more commonly seen .380.

Maybe my dad told me when I was a kid...he is a PPK and movie nut. I cant for the life of me remember for sure where I heard it.

bullfrog99
July 23, 2007, 03:57 PM
bond had a beretta 25 in casio royale, but traded up for a .32acp in Dr. No, (book 2). "the CIA swears by them, they have all the delivery of a brick through a plate glass window"

I wish S&W would make a .32acp blued PPK, I would like one just for general purposes. Persionally tho in the small gun racket, I would have went for a centennail in .38spl, I suppose that would "have all the delivery of a freight train through a china shop" :)

YounGun24
July 23, 2007, 04:08 PM
i thought he was using the new P99 in Casino Royale??

oh...wait...you meant the book, my bad:D

1/2 cocked
July 23, 2007, 04:11 PM
I always thought he used a PPK/s in the books?

Erich
July 23, 2007, 04:19 PM
Nope, a PPK in the later Fleming books. 7.65 mm.

sholling
July 23, 2007, 04:47 PM
It depends on the book. In at least one I seem to remember him pulling a 45 colt revolver from his glove box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_James_Bond_firearms

1/2 cocked:
I always thought he used a PPK/s in the books?
The 'S' (some say it stands for "silly law") was the export to the US version of the PPK. It 'featured' a longer grip to comply with US import restrictions.

obiwan1
July 23, 2007, 06:06 PM
It was a PPK in 7.65mm (.32ACP).

parrothead2581
July 23, 2007, 06:14 PM
sholling,
FYI, the .45 Colt revolver was in "The Man With the Golden Gun" :)

RJay
July 23, 2007, 06:59 PM
This is a silly posting but any way, In the first book Moonracker he carried a .25 Beretta Model 418, He carried a .45 in the Glovebox for fun. Later he carried a .32 PPK in a Berns Martin shoulder holster (I know, but Ian Fleming was not really a gun person ). Now these were the books, the movies, don't have the foggiest.:)

Cliff47
July 23, 2007, 08:09 PM
In the first movie ('Dr. No'), Bond is relieved of his Beretta, and drops the PPK in 7.65 mil into his chamois shoulder holster (why the sights did not snag on the soft leather I'll never know).

The PPK was his standard side-arm (with diversions to a BIG S&W in 'Live and Let Die') until some time in the Brosnan era ('The World is Not Enough', where Bond is eyeing a Walther P99).

The books start Bond off with the Beretta in 'Casino Royale'. During 'From Russia With Love', the Beretta snags in the chamois holster (or was it the waistband of his trousers?). That instigated the change to the PPK in the next book (which happened to be 'Dr. No').

Tom2
July 23, 2007, 08:20 PM
James Bond is really shooting blanks, that is why all the women sleep with him! :D

nate45
July 23, 2007, 08:32 PM
Here are the Bond of the novels weapons http://www.tjbd.co.uk/james-bond-weapons.htm

That .45 was descibed as a long barreled Colt I've no idea what model.

As RJay noted Fleming was not very knowledgeable when it came to firearms.

David the Gnome
July 23, 2007, 09:43 PM
It's not on their website but you can get a blued S&W made PPK.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/wal_ppk.jpg

Ivory Grips
July 23, 2007, 10:16 PM
Jimmy always did like to pack lite. But I have to agree with him. For his atire was stylish, and that mandated a small and a highly conealable weapon. A handgun chambered even in .22LR would have been sufficient enough. Which by the way, is the preferred caliber of choice for the Operatives of Isreal's infamous Mossadd.

nero
July 24, 2007, 07:47 AM
Is the blued S&W PPK also available in 7.65 (the one pictured in this thread is a .380), and if it is does anyone here know what is S&W's catalog/product number for that model? Thanks.



nero

David the Gnome
July 24, 2007, 10:22 AM
I'm afraid they only make .380acp PPK's in the blued finish. If you look at Walther's website you can see at the bottom of the page there is an "Also Available" section. That is where you will find the blued version.

http://www.waltheramerica.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=58944&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=43802&isFirearm=Y

Just keep in mind, if you want an accurate James Bond gun you're going to have to buy a used PPK by someone other than S&W. S&W has the extended beaver tail on all of the PPK and PPK/S models. James Bond would have had the original 1930's design with the standard beaver tail.

nero
July 24, 2007, 10:52 AM
Thanks David.

I did go to their website after posting my question here and saw exactly what you linked. I also emailed their customer service dept. and asked if they have any future plans to produce a blued version of the updated PPk in .32acp. (I haven't received a reply yet.)

I used to own a prewar PPK .32acp, and 2 PPs from the 60's or early 70's, one in .32acp and the other .22LR. Unfortunately (and foolishly), I sold them all. I know the new ones differ from the older ones, but I'd like to have another (blued) PPK .32acp and with what they're now getting for vintage PPKs, I'd settle on a updated/new (blued) PPK .32acp. Hopefully, S&W/Walther will produce a blued PPK .32acp in the near future.

I did just buy a NOS Astra Constable .22LR on GunBroker (I hope to receive it by friday), it looks a bit like the PPK and it'll have to fill my PPK jones until/when I get the real deal again.

Again, thanks.

Here's a pic of my new Astra Constable .22LR that I downloaded from the auction:




nero

Let it Bleed
July 24, 2007, 01:29 PM
. . . Isreal's infamous Mossadd.
Infamous is kind of harsh. I realize that the Mossad's actions and tactics have generated considerable disagreement, but I don't think they are a disreputable and nefarious organization.

As for Bond's gun, I recall a scene in one of the earlier movies in which his .25 caliber Beretta is exchanged for a .32 caliber Walther PPK.

David the Gnome
July 24, 2007, 02:23 PM
Infamous is kind of harsh. I realize that the Mossad's actions and tactics have generated considerable disagreement, but I don't think they are a disreputable and nefarious organization.

As for Bond's gun, I recall a scene in one of the earlier movies in which his .25 caliber Beretta is exchanged for a .32 caliber Walther PPK.
That would be the beginning of Dr. No, the first James Bond movie (the 6th book).

James K
July 24, 2007, 03:21 PM
In the movie (Dr. No?) where he traded the .25 Beretta for the Walther PPK, he is later shown ducking behind a couch, PPK in hand, and then rising up with a silencer on a BROWNING 1910!! The prop folks apparently chose the Browning because it is easy to put a Model 1922 barrel in it and have a place for the fake silencer. Connery probably didn't know the difference - he hates guns and gun owners, and has contributed heavily to gun ban organizations.

The comment about a Berns-Martin holster brought back memories of a time when just about all the police detectives used them. They were often called the "upside down" holster, because the gun hung with the barrel pointing up. Actually, a good rig and easy to draw from though the spring that held the gu was a bit stiff and took some getting used to.

A drawback (pun intended) was that if the trigger was pulled while drawing the gun, you shot yourself in the armpit. It happened, and fairly often, which may be the reason the holster lost favor.

Jim

Ivory Grips
July 24, 2007, 09:59 PM
You're quite right. I could have/ should have been a bit more selective in my choice of wording. I thank you for your correction

I.G

kozak6
July 24, 2007, 10:42 PM
Valentin Zukovsky :- "Walther PPK, 7.65 millimetre, only 3 men I know use such a gun, I believe I have killed 2 of them"
James Bond :- "Lucky me"
Valentin Zukovsky :- "I think not"

Goldeneye was the last real Bond movie, too.

Tigerclaw
July 25, 2007, 01:51 AM
It depends on the book. In at least one I seem to remember him pulling a 45 colt revolver from his glove box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Bond_firearms

1/2 cocked:

Quote:
I always thought he used a PPK/s in the books?

The 'S' (some say it stands for "silly law") was the export to the US version of the PPK. It 'featured' a longer grip to comply with US import restrictions.
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God made men and women, but Sam Colt made'm all equal!

More or less (silly law). Basically, the "PPK/s" (s is for super, I was told) is just a PPK slide assembly on a "PP" frame. It adds the extra grip length and by proxy an additional round.

YounGun24
July 25, 2007, 08:48 AM
Goldeneye was the last real Bond movie, too.

I think "The World is Not Enough" was the last real Bond movie (It also happened to be the last movie to feature "Q".) But Goldeneye was the Beginning of the end. Tomorrow Never Dies' plot was just rediculous, and the last two (Halle Barry and Daniel Craig) were, in my mind, a waste of film. I still believe that Alexis Denisof should have been picked as the new Bond, rather than Craig.

Webleymkv
July 25, 2007, 10:12 AM
Bond has used a varitey of guns in the books. In the short few I've read he's used a .25 Beretta, Walther PPK, S&W Centennial Airweight, Browning Hi-Power, ASP, Walther P99, and even a Ruger Super Blackhawk (these don't include the guns he's relieved from his enemies). Bond did not use a .45 Colt in "The Man with the Golden Gun" but rather the villain, Francisco Scaremanga used a gold plated Colt SAA (this was the golden gun rather than some funky single shot like used in the film) along with a gold plated derringer as a backup. The ammunition used by Scaremanga was a silver bullet with a gold jacket.

parrothead2581
July 25, 2007, 02:01 PM
Ah yes, you're right about .45colt Webley. It's been a while since I've read that book, but I thought he got ahold of it and used it at some point.

predecessor
July 26, 2007, 01:07 AM
Did Bond carry a blued or stainless PPK?

Webleymkv
July 26, 2007, 09:48 AM
At the time the original Bond novels were written (late 1950's and 1960's) neither the PPK, nor any other Walther was available in stainless, therefore agent 007's gun would have to be blued.

predecessor
July 26, 2007, 10:01 AM
How 'bout in the films? Any stainless there?

Webleymkv
July 26, 2007, 10:08 AM
I've seen all the Bond films with the exception of "On her Majesty's Secret Service" and the old "Casion Royale" (the silly one with David Niven). I've yet to notice a stainless PPK.

David the Gnome
July 26, 2007, 11:13 AM
Bond caried a blue ppk in .32acp :).