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FirstFreedom
April 5, 2007, 11:50 AM
Would you, or would you not, say that moose need a bigger caliber/bullet to kill cleanly/ethically? Cuz dems is big critters. I.e. Same round or different, if you are the well-stocked hunter with specialized rifles? I'm thinking same; .30-06 for both, but I really want to hunt meese someday, and of course always looking for excuse to get another rifle. Maybe this will give me a reason to buy a .35 Whelen or 9.3x62mm rifle. :)

rem33
April 5, 2007, 11:56 AM
I wouldn't be afraid to use my 06 in a heartbeat but if your looking for a reason to buy a new gun I doubt a 06 would work at all.
Have you looked at the new 375 Ruger? I am dieing to see one in person and not in a magazine or the net.

sasquatch
April 5, 2007, 12:02 PM
"Moose hunts:
Be aware that moose are big animals and your choice of caliber should be leaning towards the heavy end of the scale. The .30-06 with a 180 grain bullet is about the minimum that we like to see in camp. Any of the thirty caliber magnums are good, with 180 - 200 grain bullets, as is the .338 with 210 - 250 grain bullets. The various .35 calibers from the .35 Whelen and up are not out of place here, either. In all cases, use well-constructed bullets"

http://www.liegeriveroutfitters.com/hunting_information.html

taylorce1
April 5, 2007, 12:19 PM
I know a lot of 6.5X55 are used to take moose in other countries. I bought a .338-06 for use on the beasties now all I have to do is go hunt one. I should be able to draw for one here in Colorado in the next couple of years as I will finaly have enough points for the draw after this one. As far as being tougher than elk, I think more people are able to hunt elk and so a higher percentage of people have had problems from bad shot placement. Neither animal is bullet proof and if you have proper placement of your shot they will not go far.

banditt007
April 5, 2007, 01:43 PM
i read about lots of people taking them with .308's and gasp... 30-30's! as with anythign its shotplacement but the 30-06 is fine from what i've heard.

Huntergirl
April 5, 2007, 01:48 PM
Moose are not tougher than elk. The 06 will work fine with good shot placement. But if you need an excuse....quick! get the 35whelen, they're not making them anymore, ever! Just kiddin...:D

Art Eatman
April 5, 2007, 02:01 PM
Comparing the mature animals, a moose is thicker across the body than an elk. Therefore, more to penetrate before hitting the vitals. This would be particularly true for any shot at an angle.

In the past, the 30-caliber 220-grain bullet was regarded as the ideal for moose, for the '06. I think that with the R&D on bullets during these last ten or fifteen years, penetration now with a quality 180-grain bullet is probably as good as with the old 220s.

Art

williamd
April 5, 2007, 02:13 PM
Have hunted/shot both and consider Elk significantly tougher. However, a mad moose is as bad a Grizzly!! Climb a tree and the moose will try to knock it over.

rem33
April 5, 2007, 02:49 PM
penetration now with a quality 180-grain bullet is probably as good as with the old 220s.

I remember a deer I shot with a 60's made X brands 180 grain bullet in 30-06. It acted like you would expect one of the newer exploding varmint bullets to do. Unbelievable damage from a thru the rib shot.

Not going blast the brand as they make some high quality bullets now days or so I read on here. But they are a major brand bullet maker.

FirstFreedom
April 5, 2007, 05:02 PM
but if your looking for a reason to buy a new gun, I doubt a 06 would work at all

Tee hee. Thanks. Oh yeah, that's what I'm thinking now - contrary to all popular wisdom, the '06 would probably bounce off, so gotta get another gun! :)

Good points all - they may not be as tough as elk, in psychological terms (just will to stay alive), but being much meaner than elk - the bulls anyway - that's a good reason to want the shot to kill *quickly*!

Another option would be to get a second .30-06 and dedicate one to 165s-180s for elk, and dedicate the second (in terms of scope choice, zero, ammo selection for accuracy) to 220s for meese, bison & such, but then again, with modern bullet construction, as Art & others point out, it's not really necessary. Actually it's really unnecessary, since meese usually hang out in woodsy areas near water, so shots are going to be short, in which case the .45-70 can be the moose gun. Anyone EVER heard of a long shot at a moose?

And where do caribou fit into the scheme of toughness/ will to live? They seem to fall instantly a lot more often then elk on hunting shows when shot. That's the extent of my non-whitetail ungulate experience hunting - tv shows.

Scorch
April 5, 2007, 06:37 PM
FF-
I have never shot moose, but I had a friend in Alberta that said moose were easy to kill. He also said he never shoots them because you had better want to eat moose for a long time, since you would have a freezer full of moose after you shot one.

Caribou fall down pretty easy, BTW. The hard part of the hunt is getting where they are.

elkman06
April 5, 2007, 07:03 PM
I've killed them both w/ 3006 and 300 Win. 150gr out of the 06 and 180gr out of the 300. Shot placement still rules the show... However, a moose is a strange critter. Sometimes it goes right down w/ a vital shot and other times it takes it a while to realize it's dead. I shot 2 moose under 150yds. One folded, the other ran and hid for a while....
Long shots on moose, yep it happens. I put my Dad on a nice 6yr old bull, closest I could get him(oxygen tank) was about 500yds. I was glad he was packing his 300Win. Still took two shots to the breadbasket and the moose hung out for quite a while before deciding to die.
elkman06

Tomas
April 5, 2007, 11:59 PM
This year elk hunting, I dropped my cow with a .308. I used Barnes 180gr FB loping along at 2300fps. I was up hill from her and double-lunged her. She fell up hill...never took another breath, far as I can tell.

My buddy shot the herd cow about an hour prior to mine with a 7mm mag. 160gr Barnes XLC. Can't remember the velocity right now, but 2800fps seems about right.

Three shots in the furnace, one which broke her front shoulder, running up hill for a good 75 yards, trying to get her girls to safety. She was one tough lady, and I'm amazed at the punishment she took. She was still running when she slowed down just enough for my friend to end it with a head shot.

How she could walk, let alone run, with that shoulder, was a minor miracle. It was completely destroyed. Her lungs were jello and her heart had a huge hole it in. She was tough.

Tom

rem33
April 6, 2007, 01:17 AM
I think many Magnums are sold to guys that haven't hunted a lot but have read a lot or are not that good of a hunter in the first place. This is just a personel observation from guys you meet out hunting. I know this does not hold true for many good hunters but does have merit.

stevelyn
April 6, 2007, 08:52 AM
Most moose taken by Alaska bushkins and folks outside the gravitational pull of Los Anchorage are taken with .30-06s .308s and .270s. My nephew whacked one we were chasing with a .30-30 a couple years ago. On the rare occassion someone is toting a magnum, it's usually a 7mm.

I usually use Federal High Energy with 180 gr Nosler Partitions, but they aren't needed. You will have satisfactory results with regular off-the-shelf ammo. The only reason I use them is because I also have a grizzly tag with me in case a target of opportunity should appear...........or wander into camp.

I wouldn't have any reservations about hunting them with a .257 or similar as long as I had premium ammo and bullets.

We also don't waste meat by taking body shots either.;)

taylorce1
April 6, 2007, 09:07 AM
Most moose taken by Alaska bushkins and folks outside the gravitational pull of Los Anchorage are taken with .30-06s .308s and .270s
Same rifles most hunter use to take Elk, who hunt them every year here in Colorado. I've even hunted with a relative who has taken a elk almost every year for the last 10 with a .243, uses it because of bad shoulders. I've never seen an elk go far that he has shot, but he always takes the first one that will give him a good shot usually it is a cow.

Rangefinder
April 6, 2007, 09:36 AM
Lets not forget there could be a new rifle involved here. :D

Oh, moose are like swamp elephants! You'd better go with that new .35 Whelen--your '06 might just bounce off! LOL

For the record, my great-grandfather hunted just about every animal in N. America with a 30-30 with what I might call legendary success, and moose were no exception. Unless they're breeding 'em a whole lot tougher nowadays, an '06 will do a fine job.

Northslope Nimrod
April 6, 2007, 04:39 PM
Elk concern me more than moose. Elk are high adrenelin animals that explode into the depths of the fire swamp when shot...never to be seen again...alive. The moose hunts I've been on are quite different. You see a moose, it just stands there......You shoot a moose and they....just stand there....or they just trot a little and lay down.

30-06 is great for moose.

I myself, believe the 35 Whelan has the perfect ballistics for the areas I hunt. (for elk)
But, everybody should have a 30-06 IMO.

armedandsafe
April 6, 2007, 05:43 PM
I dropped my first moose with a 32-20 rifle, but had to finish him off with the .45acp. Every elk and moose I've taken has been with 30-06, 180gr Sierra BT at ~2750fps. I switched to 220 Barnes for the Grizzley and the Polar Bear.

A friend dropped by one time and flew me up to a pair of dumb-bell ponds where he had seen some carabou. We landed in the empty pond and sneaked up to the edge of the populated pond. Friend had 13 tags and I had 4. We agreed on the split in who would shoot how many, based on our respective magazine loads and started taking winter meat. After the noise stopped, I heard friend cussing. "We dropped too many!" I counted down animals and, yep, we had two more than we should. We both started gutting and I heard him yell again. He had grabbed an animal by the antlers and it stood up and took off. So did the one next to it.

We decided that those two had seen all the others lying down and decided to take a nap, too. :D

Pops

Tomas
April 6, 2007, 05:56 PM
Steve:

I shall endeavor to hunt like an Alaskan mountain man this year........

Tom

williamd
April 6, 2007, 06:21 PM
HEAR, HEAR!

I think many Magnums are sold to guys that haven't hunted a lot but have read a lot or are not that good of a hunter in the first place. This is just a personel observation from guys you meet out hunting. I know this does not hold true for many good hunters but does have merit.

Right on rem33

qajaq59
April 7, 2007, 06:20 AM
First Freedom..... Go BUY the new rifle. It doesn't even matter if you use it for moose. Buy it anyway. Just say we told you to do it. :) :) :)

pinotguy
April 7, 2007, 06:11 PM
Maybe this will give me a reason to buy a .35 Whelen or 9.3x62mm rifle.

Man, these are two of my all-time favorite calibers. I'm afraid a new rifle is in order, as your .30-06 just isn't going to cut it for moose. ;) I think I'd opt for the Whelen and a couple of boxes of the 310-gr. Woodleigh Weldcore loading from Double Tap. That would definitely leave a mark on any moose.

FirstFreedom
April 7, 2007, 06:44 PM
OK, .35 Whelen it is - but which gun? Converted Mauser 98, used Remington 700, or new Remington 750 semi-auto? Or should I just quit screwing around and get a CZ550 Safari in .375 H&H mag?

Thanks for the help - y'all are so understanding to a gun nut's needs. :)

pinotguy
April 7, 2007, 07:08 PM
OK, .35 Whelen it is - but which gun? Converted Mauser 98, used Remington 700, or new Remington 750 semi-auto? Or should I just quit screwing around and get a CZ550 Safari in .375 H&H mag?

Thanks for the help - y'all are so understanding to a gun nut's needs.

Not sure as to what your price range is, but the Remington 700 CDL in .35 Whelen is a sweet rifle. The 750 is a nice gun as well, but I tend to prefer bolt-actions in hunting rifles.

aaalaska
April 8, 2007, 01:08 AM
Buy the rifle,who needs a reason.As for moose I've shoot a few 1 ,20 ga slug 20 yds, 1 12 ga slug 65 yds[long shot] 1 308 50 yds a couple or more with 300 mag[definate bear country].1 bow kill.was with my son for his moose 1 cow 30-30 15 yards ,1 45-70 20 yrds,was also with my hunting partner for most of his kills all since we started hunting together over 15 years ago all were killed with a 300,mag 165 gr bt. We only had to track one my sons kill with the 45/ 70 shot on the run died about 50 yds in the brush.

jiminthecorner
April 8, 2007, 12:25 PM
I hunt moose every year up here near Thunder Bay. So far most of our kills were with 180gr 308 s.Also 338,6.5x54 Mannlicher(one shot!},3006,358 win and 303 Brit. And my first moose was taken with a #5 Lee-Enfield(jungle carbine)Some 29 years ago! All our Elk are a "protected species"and cannot be hunted,the fine is 25000$ and a 5yr license suspention. Regards to all you fellow moosers! Jim:D

FirstFreedom
April 8, 2007, 05:56 PM
After much thought, as much as I want a Remington, I decided that I will be getting this rifle:

http://www.czusa.com/product_detail.php?id=17

in 9.3x62mm. Reasons being:

-Handled a CZ550 yesterday and had forgotten how much I like them - how finely finished they are, etc.
-I want the controlled feed of the CZ550 over the push feed of the Rem 700 or the semi-auto 750, for potentiallly dangerous critters,
-Love that set trigger of the CZ 550, and finally,
-9.3x62mm splits the difference between .35 whelen and .375 HH mag, so it's fits both niches - can double as an african plains game rifle if I ever make it over there (not that a .35 whelen wouldn't; but a Euro caliber might be more readily accepted as a substitute for .375 HH over the .35 Whelen). Plus the caliber is just different, and I like being different (if it ain't .30-06, such that you can find ammo anywhere - i.e. .35 whelen - then may as well go REALLY different). And finally,
-the big kicker: I MUST have that beautiful turkish walnut mannlicher/bavaria style stock on a rifle soon, and this rifle kills 2 birds with one stone, so to speak. I'm jonesing real bad-like for a mannlicher style, and need the good stuff, baby! :eek:

My mind is made up, unless someone wants to talk me out of it. Still would probably just use .30-'06 for moose, though, so as not to scratch this baby up - ha. Take it as a backup rifle maybe - yeah, that's it. With those cool irons on the 550 FS, however, I may have to use a see-through mount, or go altogether scopeless the way god intended.

I want to thank you all for being massive enablers for the addiction. :) Maybe I'll come up there and hunt meese in thunder bay and take in a maple leafs game, jim - what happened today - Islanders win or Toronto in?

I still want to get a Remington to thank them for dumping Zumbo, but it'll probably be in .30-'06 or some other common caliber which I already have.

rem33
April 8, 2007, 08:39 PM
Looks good to me and I am a Remington fan. I keep reading how push feeds aren't as good but after a few thousand rounds, no failures yet.
I thought that was a good price on the CZ, and you can always beat MSRP.
All I wanna know is how it shoots and how you like it.
Gosh FF ya gotta kill the meese with it, dings in a hunt like that are good memories, and to me add to the rifle. Try not to get any but no big deal if you do a little one or two.

pinotguy
April 8, 2007, 09:33 PM
You know, it is a tough call between the two. The CZ should serve you well and 9.3x62 is a proven big-game cartridge. If you stop and think about it, the 9.3 Mauser IS the European .35 Whelen. Keep in mind that ammo for it will be more readily available in Africa AND a lot of countries over there allow it to be used on dangerous game.

QuillGordon
April 8, 2007, 09:47 PM
I don't know??? I've never been trampled by an Elk but I wish the same was true for the Moose... Tempermental sunsabeaches!!!
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