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One Inch Group
April 1, 2007, 06:55 PM
Hello !!




Zombies !

mcubed4130
April 1, 2007, 08:19 PM
Because last time I dialed 911 - I got a busy signal? :)

-M3

Deaf Smith
April 1, 2007, 09:50 PM
I've always been amused with 'tactical' weapons. That term is so much BS.

If we are talking about a 6 to 7 shot 12 guage, there is no big deal. A regular hunting 12 guage will hold 5 in the mag, and a 'tactical' 12 guage will hold six or seven (whoppeee!)

And 'tactical' shotguns with sights... well you can get sights on a plain 20 inch shotgun made for deer (like Mossburg and Winchster, and Remingtons.)

And except for Class II (short barreled shotguns) barrel lengths for 'tactical' will be 18 to 20.

All you are getting is a fast handling shotgun that holds 7 or so shots. The 'tactical' is just a joke of a name to get more bucks out of you.

As for it's use, tell mom that 12 guage will stop pretty much anything coming into your house and still a pretty good quail gun!

Rangefinder
April 1, 2007, 10:03 PM
That was pretty much the same as my dad's question as to "why I needed an assult rifle" (my Mak-90)... Why? Why NOT? It's a helluva lot of fun, and that's the only reason I need--everything else its good for is just a bonus.

Well, after he spent an afternoon with me (and it) at the range, he decided he "NEEDED" one too. For the moment he's settled on a Norinko paratrooper SKS with a detachable 30, but I see a Mak in his near future as well since he won't come visit unless we go to the range as part of the deal. LOL

Somehow I'm thinking your mom might not fall into the catagory of wanting her own "tactical" shotgun (maybe so--*shrug*), but the moral is... If you can successfully dispell the myths, they soon see it for what it really is---just another variation of the same tool that happens to go 'bang'.

chris in va
April 2, 2007, 12:26 AM
and a 'tactical' 12 guage will hold six or seven (whoppeee!)


Actually, my friend's Mossberg Persuader holds 8+1.

SpiritWalker
April 2, 2007, 12:55 AM
Besides the obvious need to prepare for the zombie apocalypse, because there are other monsters in this world that look just like real people. You can usually only detect them after they’ve smashed a window or jimmied your door to get inside.

NINE
April 2, 2007, 12:56 AM
Why? Because there are many things that would like to eat my flesh. Bears and zombies being top 2 on the list. Both of these flesh hungry ass biters will also attack you in your home or at night. A handy, short barreled shotgun keeps you happily assed, so you can enjoy your grande latte, sunny Wednesdays and puppies.

Lasers, tritium sights and flashlights increase your odds of ass prosperity.

Do you want a bite taken out of your ass? Well, do you?


That's what I would say to your mom. You may or may not want to repeat this to her.

RsqVet
April 2, 2007, 01:07 AM
Deaf Smith --

I love it, let's not forget tactical beverage holders and all of the other BS out there. .

kristop64089
April 2, 2007, 06:18 AM
why would I want to pull the trigger 5-17 times. when I can pull the trigger once, letting a HELLSTORM of lead FLY!

Coltpale
April 2, 2007, 08:31 AM
because were all still kids at heart, and we still gotta have toys. Except now our toys are big, expensive, and devistating - thats what I told my folks when I got into gun modification

but really...
-zombies
-robbers
-Micheal Bay

wolfdog45
April 2, 2007, 08:36 AM
My Mossberg 590 hold's 8+1.

Dave McC
April 2, 2007, 09:01 AM
Why?

Because not all werewolves need a full moon.

Because there are plenty of dark places on this earth, and some are inside people.

Because the ghosts of the Holocaust tell me what happens to unarmed people when madness rules.

Because a short barreled repeating shotgun in trained hands is a phenomenal weapon for preserving life, liberty and pursuing happiness.

And just because we can.

CALNRA
April 2, 2007, 11:24 AM
my regular 870 express with wooden furniture is tactical enough for me. if that's not enough my all black 500 is even more tactical with its 5 round mag and 18.5 inch barrel.

I like my shotguns bare so they don't snag on anything. with all those gizmos on shotguns these days I always wonder if the users have ever snag a drape or two while doing room clearing every night with teir night vision goggles on.

BlueTrain
April 2, 2007, 11:34 AM
That reminds me of the question my wife asked me after I had been going to the range religiously (I went on Sunday mornings) for many months: "Well, are you getting any better?"

fourtwentytexas
April 2, 2007, 11:47 AM
For protecting loved ones, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England outta your face. :cool:

huskylover
April 2, 2007, 11:56 AM
ask her why she needs so many pairs of shoes.

jhgreasemonkey
April 2, 2007, 05:23 PM
My "tactical" shotgun is a 1950 ithaca 37r 12 guage with the ducks engraved on the reciever and the corn cob pump. My grandfather had the gunsmith shorten the barrel to 19" for HD. That was tactical in those days. And shoot I still keep it ready to rock. If I cant stop the poison monkeys and polar bear invasion with 5 shots then I think I'll use one of my other guns. lol

'75Scout
April 2, 2007, 05:32 PM
My shotgun could be considered "tactical", although when I see what most people call a tactical gun it is usually a good gun with crappy stuff purchased off or ebay or at Wallyworld. I like to think of my 1956 Remington 870 as my dedicated self defense shotgun. It has been ceramic coated in OD Green, has rifel sights, extended mag, Knoxx Compstock, and Mesa Tactical Sidesaddle. The only addition I have left to make is to buy/install a Surefire weapon light forearm.

Arub
April 2, 2007, 05:32 PM
"That reminds me of the question my wife asked me after I had been going to the range religiously (I went on Sunday mornings) for many months: "Well, are you getting any better?""

Better at what?

Deaf Smith
April 2, 2007, 06:11 PM
Actually, my friend's Mossberg Persuader holds 8+1.

Chris, that's still just one extra round. But even my .44 magnum winchester 94 holds 10! And my AR.....

Now with that said, I have both 870 and Mossburge 590, both, er..., tactical. Both stainless (well not really but they LOOK stainless), both extend mag tubes, the Mossie has speed feed stock and tac-star 4 shot side saddle, but it still does not even hold the magic '10' needed for the liberals to wee-wee in their pants.

And like RsqVet points out, they have 'tactical' knives and 'tactical' scopes, and 'tactical' BDUs, and the like. Wow. Bet they have 'tactical' underwear to for sale somewhere.

I guess 'tactical' is a state of mind. For some it's serious business, for others, well it's a good gimmick. I'm not sure if it was Jack O'Conner or Jeff Cooper who wrote about jacking up prices of firearms and accessories with that magic 'tactical' label. But one of them mentioned it.

And notice Jim Cirillo's 'tactical' shotgun held 5 shots in his NYPD stakeouts. I doubt Cirillo was underarmed.

RsqVet
April 2, 2007, 09:51 PM
I know Cooper was more or less out of most teaching by the time this tactical everything craze got started (or was not teching the green level glasses) but I really have to wonder what he would have thought of some of the folks who feel the need to over do it.

Heck I shy away from one praticular gun shop just because they, and their employess seem to all be of the Uber Tactical bent.

Guess it's kind of like when I worked in a bike shop, guys would come in and drop a few thousand on a titanium frame, go counting grams differance between componenets and all the time it's obvious they are not performing anywhere near optimum and could themselves easily shed a few pounds rather than drop and extra grand to save a half pound on the bike.

rem33
April 2, 2007, 10:41 PM
My Mom asked..."why do you need a tactical shotgun"

For tactical birds or course.

One Inch Group
April 2, 2007, 11:07 PM
hilarious !!

the "zombie" answer was from a friend of mine, thanks for the replies.

Evil Monkey
April 2, 2007, 11:57 PM
Honestly, if my mom or any body asked such a question, I would simply reply with "Cause I want to and there's nothing you can do about it."

mcubed4130
April 3, 2007, 01:00 AM
A buddy of mine with the a "Tactical Mossberg 500 Special Purpose 7+1" and I with my "Mossberg 500 5+1". Both took a Defense Shooting class this past weekend. :)

The only thing that makes a shotgun Tactical, is when the operator is trained properly. ;)

-M3

Kilrain
April 3, 2007, 03:23 AM
"Because you(my mom) don't have one!"

V4Vendetta
April 3, 2007, 09:02 AM
My mom asked me this when she saw my AK. Now our family loves to sit & watch "Firefly" so without missing a beat I said, "Reavers".

That may or may not work with your mom.:D

weenis
April 3, 2007, 01:16 PM
1. The rulers of a "free world" should fear it's citizens.

2. Protection for you and loved ones against people who have no regard for human life.

Both of those points are pretty damn important if you ask me.

A good quote comes to mind, "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

shaggy
April 3, 2007, 01:39 PM
"Why do you need a tactical shotgun?"

Tell her its because the voices in your head said you did.:D

Either that or tell her your pistol said it was lonely, so you got the shotgun to keep the pistol company.:D

fourtwentytexas
April 3, 2007, 04:12 PM
The rulers of a "free world" should fear it's citizens.
Yes. "The people should not fear the government. The government should fear the people." Who was it that said that? Was it my favorite American good'ole Ben Franklin?

Edit:
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

Rangefinder
April 3, 2007, 04:19 PM
The rulers of a "free world" should fear it's citizens.

They do---which is exactly why we have so many laws on the books that essentually 'protects' the gov't from those who would question it.

bleirrot
April 3, 2007, 06:00 PM
The rulers of a "free world" should fear it's citizens.

Yes, but its citizens must be responsible, or it'd be called "anarchy" ;)

weenis
April 3, 2007, 06:57 PM
Uhm, there's a large gap between responsibility and anarchy.

-a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

-confused state of society in which there is no government and no laws.
www.historycentral.com/Civics/a.html

-Lack of rule, disorder
wordmentor.placementor.com/vocabulary_powerkit/02.htm

Keep in mind, it doesn't mean "Armed and irresponsible citizens can result in an anarchy."

The funny thing about an armed population is that the likelihood of an anarchist uprising and/or conflict taking place decreases. The reason being, the majority of the population would be like minded and see that the anarchist agenda isn't in the best interest of the people. At this point joining en masse with government authorities (if the forces were larger than that of the authorities) to combat the impending negative outcome, or just straight up g-style army of one.