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rb4browns
March 5, 2007, 04:16 PM
Hello Shotgunners

Like the title says, I'd like your opinion as to whether or not I need a shotgun. It's a subjective question I know. I currently own a SA XD9 9mm and an S&W 642 snubbie. I live in a rough city but I'm in a nice part of town. The truth is part of me just wants one for the fun factor of shooting them and I enjoy collecting guns and just owning them in general. So....what do you think? Am I set with the two handguns I own already? Scenarios that come to mind are home defense and breakdown of civil society in the event of a catastrophic earthquake, civil insurrection, etc. Don't laugh, it could happen - this is Los Angeles. Anywhoo, please discuss. Thanks in advance for your input!

rwilson452
March 5, 2007, 04:25 PM
Do you Need a shotgun? No, But I think it would highly desireable. After All everyone that lives in LA knows you can count on the LAPD to protect you. I don't know if you still can out there but I would be looking for some sort of AR too. I know your restricted to 10 round mags.

I solved the problem 7 years ago by moving out of that area to PA.

rantingredneck
March 5, 2007, 04:27 PM
A more versatile weapon was never invented than a quality 12 ga. pump shotgun. In my opinion you need at least 3...........:D Just kidding. Mostly.

Anyway a standard 28" removable choke Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 can be had for a little over 200.00 in most places. You can then upgrade to your heart is content with aftermarket accessories and extra barrels.

If you think you are just going to keep it as an HD/SHTF gun then you'd be advised to start with the Police or Tactical models of either. That way you get the short barrel/long magazine from the get go.

I hunt with mine so I went with the original configuration Rem 870 (28" barrel) which i then bought a 20" IC Rifle sighted smoothbore slug barrel for and added an 8 shot extension and 4 shot sidesaddle. I've got about 420-440 in mine all total and I can switch back and forth from sporting to HD configurations in about 20 minutes.

KimberDen
March 5, 2007, 04:29 PM
Yes, you do, if you take your self defense seriously.

The only reason to have a pistol is if you can't reach a long gun fast enough.

9mm:
1 projectile giving you about ~370 foot/pounds for some of the hotter loads.

00-buck:

9 .32" pellets with an energy of ~180 foot/pounds per pellet - so you're dumping ~ 1,620 ft/lb into the BG.

enough said.

punkkin
March 5, 2007, 04:54 PM
Why yes, you do.:D

oldbillthundercheif
March 5, 2007, 04:59 PM
Why not? They are fun and potent firearms.

The only problem is that once you buy one, you are going to need a clay-thrower and large amounts of orange disks for excursions out to the desert...

Once you start shooting shotguns, you will be hooked for life.:D

robc
March 5, 2007, 05:09 PM
How did that go in Pulp Fiction?

"How many guys are in there?"
"Three... maybe four."
"We should have shotguns."

Yeah. You need a shotgun. As pointed out earlier, the difference in energy dump is astronomical. Of course, if that's how we measure utility, we should all have a .700 Nitro Express.

perpster
March 5, 2007, 05:17 PM
Yes, you need a shotgun. And come on now, tell the truth, you really want one, too, don't you?!:)

skeeter1
March 5, 2007, 05:54 PM
Everyone needs at least one shotgun. For HD/skeet shooting/upland game hunting you might be able to get away with one. Go waterfowl hunting/trap shooting, and you'll need another. Or more. :)

Doug.38PR
March 5, 2007, 06:12 PM
Shotgun makes a good car carry gun for backup, home defense gun and Trash Hits The Fan gun. Shotguns are sometimes called Riot guns. They are an intimidating and effective weapon at close range.

I sometimes carry my Remington 870 18 inch Police Magnum in the back of my car when I travel or go out at night.

YES, get a shotgun. You never know when you may need it.

Also, a good rifle of your choice might be good to get too as a long range weapon for Trash Hits the Fan situtations (Even a bolt Action 30-06 Remington 700 will do fine)

THEN you will be set. Then you can just start collection for fun:)

RevolverLover
March 5, 2007, 07:05 PM
Yes, you do. :D

allenomics
March 5, 2007, 07:05 PM
No. Too hard to get around corners.

gdeal
March 5, 2007, 07:29 PM
When in doubt everyone should have a minimum of four types of firearms. Revolver, Semi-Auto Pistol, Shotgun and Rifle. Then go from there.

sanson
March 5, 2007, 07:36 PM
my minimum: 1 each: small pocket pistol(.380 or .38 minimum)
rifle .243 or heavier(food)
shotgun(20ga minimum)

Jseime
March 5, 2007, 10:15 PM
Well speaking as a guy who never had a shotgun around and just recently bought one i think that everyone should have a shotgun. Even if you dont want to use it for home defense take it out to the trap range and bust some clays with it its a hoot and a holler.

robc
March 5, 2007, 10:38 PM
It's not a question of whether you need a shotgun. It's a question of which one to get first. My vote goes to the 870. Awsome platform. I have two.

HiltonFarmer
March 5, 2007, 10:51 PM
I'm with robc. Yes you should own a shotgun.

They are an intimidating and effective weapon at close range.
Yes they are Doug.38PR

Pick this one - I wish I could own this baby! :p

HiltonFarmer

joab
March 5, 2007, 11:05 PM
Yes you do

Dave R
March 5, 2007, 11:16 PM
The truth is part of me just wants one for the fun factor of shooting them Good enough reason for me!

You also need a buddy with a shotgun, and a $10 box of clay pigeons, and a $5 red plastic throwing tool. Then you need to take turns throwing for each other and blasting the clay pigeons out of the sky.

It will improve your shooting skills.

And it is fun.

Maser
March 6, 2007, 12:26 AM
Mossberg 500.

Enough said. :cool:

jfrey123
March 6, 2007, 02:09 AM
It doesn't matter what you have now, what you're planning on getting later. Nor does it matter if you live in the ghetto or the richest of suburbias....


If you don't have one, you need one. That applies to all types of firearms, end of story.

rb4browns
March 6, 2007, 02:37 AM
Oops, meant to post this in the shotgun section but thanks for all the replies.

Yes, no secret, I do want one! :D With work, family obligations, etc. I don't see myself going trap shooting and stuff like that. This would be used at the range or in a home/self defense or crisis situation.

I 'm convinced but I need to bring the wife onboard, so you never know about that one....:eek:

I like the Remington 870 18". Not really interested in the gadgets and gizmos -I love the point and shoot aspect of a shotgun. The price is right too. I would feel safer having one - I definitely like the comfort of having my 9mm by my bedside at night. Anyways, thanks again for chiming in!

Sgt.Fathead
March 6, 2007, 02:55 AM
I love the shotgun. Specifically, I love pump shotguns and even more specifically, I love my Mossberg 500, my Remington 870 Express and my Mossberg 590, in that order. Shotguns are powerful, take a huge amount of abuse, are very simple in function and to clean and multiply force exponentially. They are fairly inexpensive compared to most handguns and give one longer, wider reach, too.

Someone posted earlier how a 9mm slug is one tiny projectile while one 12 gauge load of 00 buck, say 9 or 12 pellets, is like firing that many shots at once. I can crank out a ridiculous amount of rounds with any of these three shottys and make a paper target look like a perforated rag in seconds. The real world equivalent is that the meth addled home intruder is bleeding all over the place, multiple wounds, mucho trauma. I can buttstroke with them, I can smash doors and windows with them. I can mix 00 buck, rifled slugs and whatever insane, exotic rounds I might want in the mag tube of my 590 and blast the crap out of just about anything.

I spend a lot of time at the Shotgun World tactical shotgun forums. Give them a look and ask the same question:

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=3ad80ce1c857b66f23ec8576dfab8c1e

A final thought. In the dark, just woken from a sound sleep, the horrific sounds of someone breaking into your home...greet them with a couple jacketed 9mm rounds, shooting groggily in the dark, or an eruption of steel shot like a net around them? I'll take the big metal fist!

KimberDen
March 6, 2007, 09:37 AM
"No. Too hard to get around corners."

Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip is about 30" long. A 44mag 7.5" Redhawk that some people like for HD is 13". So the difference in size is not that great, but the firepower is incomparable.

Also, if you're ever facing the intruder who's pointing a 9mm at you while staring into a 12 gauge barrel of your shotgun, it's a good bet he'll be much more agreeable to putting down his gun and getting the hell outta your house once he calculates his chances in a shootout.

If I may suggest, read Ayoob's little booklet "StressFire - part 2, shotgun". A good way to make yourself comfortable with using a shotgun.

The only downside is if you have little kids around, then it's harder to keep a shotgun handy as opposed to a handgun.

EJJR
March 6, 2007, 10:18 AM
If I lived in L.A. I would have, at least, some type of weapon allowed by law, somewhere accessable at all times. :D

I Lived in Oceanside during the R.K. riots and for about a week I didn't go farther than a couple of block's from my apt. Still, in that time I was jumped once and shot at once because I was "white". It may be limited in scope, but on a personal level, S. deff. can H.T.F

It's all over the place: better to have and not need, than to need and not have....

rb4browns
March 6, 2007, 10:35 AM
Thanks EJJR. I actually grew up in Carlsbad and when I was 18 I ended up sharing a place in Oceanside with a bunch of guys and worked at a shop on Hill Street. That was the early '90's and definitely had my share of crackheads and gangbangers back in the day down there. I would have been well served to be a firearm owner then as I am now......

Smokin Joe
March 6, 2007, 10:42 AM
well, you got your two pistols, so what does as shotgun do, that a pistol cant ?


http://thumbsnap.com/images/kt6pTamZ.jpg

aside from that, there isnt much more to think about with a SHTF situation.

recreation is another story.

Samurai
March 6, 2007, 11:01 AM
Of COURSE you need a shotgun!!! :) :) So do I! I need another one.

You also need another pistol, and a rifle or two. (And so do I!) :)

The answer to the question "Do I need another...?" is ALWAYS, "YES!"

Now, go home right now and tell the wife that you must purchase more guns.

Average Joe
March 6, 2007, 09:55 PM
Yes !

KimberDen
March 7, 2007, 09:27 AM
:) nice post smokin joe. A picture's worth a thousand words.

rb4browns
March 7, 2007, 09:31 AM
Now, go home right now and tell the wife that you must purchase more guns

LOL her response was fine sure you can but that she must purchase more shoes :eek: :eek: :eek:

WeedWacker
March 7, 2007, 09:44 AM
Hey at least most shoes are cheaper than a ferrari :D

Yeah you need a shotgun if you don't have one. 12 ga is recommended for takedown but someone said that a shotgun is hard to get around corners. Well so is an AR but they still work. Mossberg 500 was mentioned but if you are going to use it for sproting puroses remington makes some good auto loaders and pumps too. I like my mossy 500 and my rem 870. The mossberg is a little heavier and isn't as solid in the slide wobbles a bit but you just can't beat reliability (my remington got snow in it once and it wouldn't fire :confused: But after thawed and cleaned it worked fine.)

bob k
March 7, 2007, 06:33 PM
:) More

DeathRodent
March 7, 2007, 08:40 PM
You live in LA - you definetly want and might possible need a shotgun.

Buy one they are great insurance and wonderful for piece of mind.

Remember March 1992 (Rodney King Riots) and the Korean store owners?

Since you are in LA Turners Outdoorsman and Big 5 Sporting Goods have shotguns on sale all the time.

marlboroman84
March 11, 2007, 01:31 PM
The well rounded home defense/carry collection should include the following...

Pump Shotgun 12 or 20 gauge
AR-15 or similar type rifle
Large caliber semi-auto
Small caliber semi-auto or revolver for light conceal carry.

I have a Remington 870 in 20 gauge coming in that is getting the full treatment.
Surefire forend, collapsible stock with Hogue pistol grip, side saddle, and eventually an EOTech or some type of optic.

Donovan655
March 11, 2007, 02:45 PM
I recently dabbled into the shotgun world after considering this very question (are two pistols enough?). You can get a good shotgun for less than 450-500$.

I got a Stoeger single barrel break open 12 ga for less than 100$ new. It is the most basic shotgun made.

EJJR
March 11, 2007, 04:16 PM
"Thanks EJJR. I actually grew up in Carlsbad and when I was 18 I ended up sharing a place in Oceanside with a bunch of guys and worked at a shop on Hill Street. That was the early '90's and definitely had my share of crackheads and gangbangers back in the day down there. I would have been well served to be a firearm owner then as I am now."



No doubt, I lived on Grant St. behind Oceanside H.S., had a crackhouse right across the street and can remember atleast 4 different gangs between where I lived and the boardwalk. Bad neighborhood, very bad.... Never knew that wearing certain baseball teams caps could land one in so much trouble before I moved out there. o.O

Though we did have a few neighbors from Camp Pendleton in the complex; though I seriously wonder why they would live there instead of on-base. Almost everynight gunshots could be heard in the vicinity. Ahhhh, the memories....



Now, go home right now and tell the wife that you must purchase more guns

LOL her response was fine sure you can but that she must purchase more shoes

Very fair compromise. Her happiness for your sanity. :D




Thnx MM, now you have me thinking of firearms I should have.... I was hoping to just get by with a handgun and SG... Just peachy... :p :D

Double J
March 13, 2007, 09:15 AM
Nothing wrong with a good scattergun. A comforting thing for those bumps in the night.

wolfdog45
March 13, 2007, 11:43 AM
I believe that all lawful citizens should own at least,
1 handgun.
1 rifle.
1 shotgun.

If they can afford more then they should get more. :cool:

WeedWacker
March 13, 2007, 02:14 PM
Get two. A M4 Super 90 sawed off to a 18" barrel, and a remington 870. That way shoot about 3 times with the super and then shoot once with the rem. Then show the rem to the police :D

shootingbuff
March 16, 2007, 06:50 AM
Any reason is a good reason to purchase a new firearm and you don't know until you try them (SGs)

Many good reasons have been posted but the best one is that you want one.

sb

tech4061
March 17, 2007, 12:10 AM
I recently bought a mossy 500 Security/Field combo. It comes with an 18.5" cyl. bore and a 28" multi choke barrel. It seems like a pretty good value.