Sword Fight Ensues After S.C. Break-In

[TACHop&Pop]

I found this article on my local newspapers website and thought it was interesting and decided to share.


Sword Fight Ensues After S.C. Break-In
HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C.

"A man toting a 3-foot sword apparently met his match when he broke into his ex-girlfriend's apartment: The woman's roommate grabbed a sword of his own and sliced the intruder, police said.

The roommate, a sword collector, fended off the ex-boyfriend, who was cut on the arm, police said.

Elvis Javier Polanco, 18, was treated at a hospital and charged with burglary and aggravated assault, Beaufort County sheriff's Capt. Toby McSwain said. He said Polanco broke a window and climbed on his friend's shoulders to get into the apartment.

The roommate, Louis Delgado Hernandez, disarmed the intruder while the woman called police, McSwain said."

[TACHop&Pop]

I'm a sword a aficionado, but I would never think of using one for self defense unless it was an extreme situation and I didn't have my HD gun handy.

[SeaMariner]

I dunno... A suitable sword is just as deadly and it always works... Both come down to training. My brother has taken several years of training and is quite proficient with his. I certainly wouldn't want to be any closer than a dozen yards. Anybody remember that knife video posted on here a week or so ago? Most homes don't have the distance to employ a firearm before a edged-weapon. Given that a sword can be anything from 18-48 inches, a sword-armed individual as even greater reach.

Discounting an attacker because of his choice of weaponry is foolish. Beware anyone and anything.

[Samurai]

The offender seemed to be pretty dense, and it looked like the roommate knew it. The roommate probably also knew that a sword can make an an awfully big psychological impression if it's used properly, and can often be used to "convince" some aggressors into surrendering.

No need to use a global-thermonuclear warhead when a gentle slap on the wrist will suffice.

[Iceman12]

I don't consider myself nearly trained enough to keep a loaded gun on my person or in my home. (not yet anyway, CCW should be here any day now, but I still won't carry until I am comfortable with my abilities)

My best friend and I have always had interest in swords, and fairly regularly fight each other. No training, just discution and about an hour in my yard clanging away ( I have a 3 foot broadsword, he prefers a Katana) is a nice way to spend an afternoon, although blisters to hurt:p . While I wouldn't want to fight a gun weilding person with it (make that ANY person), I do feel that if I have a bump in the night situation I would surly grab my broadsword before even considering opening my safe and loading a mag (safe is downstairs). Calling the police and staying in the bedroom with it ready in my hands up against the wall next to the closed door ready for someone to open it seems fairly safe.

Of course that is all based on suprise for him and not for me, and hopefully VERY fast response time from my local PD. That is why I go to the range often and applied for that permit.

[Fremmer]

disarmed the intruder

Ha....disarmed....get it.....

[Samurai]

Yeah... I made the "slap on the wrist" comment on purpose.:p My understanding is that the roommate actually did cut the attacker on the arm to disarm him.

[V4Vendetta]

My best friend and I have always had interest in swords, and fairly regularly fight each other. No training, just discution and about an hour in my yard clanging away ( I have a 3 foot broadsword, he prefers a Katana) is a nice way to spend an afternoon, although blisters to hurt .



:eek: So let me get this straight:confused: . You each take REAL swords & hit at each other with them?:confused:

[TACHop&Pop]

I know one thing for a fact its hard to use a sword in a house, most houses are just to small or to cluttered to effectively employ one(if you don't believe me and you own a sword go get it and make some slow speed cuts like you were practicing, I guarantee you won't be able to get the full range of motion you would normally in less confined space, also its not my fault if you make nasty gouges or cuts in your walls:rolleyes: ). If I had to use a blade in a house it would be between 20" to "8. Also I'm not saying swords are not effective weapons, I know that they are devastatingly effective in the right situation. I love my blades and wouldn't give them up for anything. All that said if all I had was a broadsword or katana at hand to defend my self I would definitely use them.

[FirstFreedom]

Pretty funny...trying to discern the lesson to be learned - "Don't bring a little sword to a big-swordfight." ?? But I always get a warm fuzzy feeling when a stalker-ex-SO-nutjob (of either gender) gets what's coming. In fact, if he were over 25 yrs, I'd say too bad he didn't lose an appendage entirely. But being young & dumb (18), I'll just say, hope he learned a valuable lesson, and won't do it again.

I have lots o' guns lying around the house loaded, but for a backup, I have two swords in my bedroom - a chisa katana, and a one-handed "sword", that being a Enfield bayonet, model 1907 - they were looooong back then. Both of these are quality-made and ready for real use & abuse - katana is tempered 9260 silicon spring steel, and I'm sure the gummint of the UK didn't churn out pot metal bayos either, though I have no idea of the steel used in the 1907.

[stephen426]

Someone coming to my house with a sword will be facing the barrel of my shotgun. You guys talk about distance and the ability to bring handguns into play. Swords take some room to swing, especially longer swords, while handguns can be kept close to the body and "swiveled" very quickly.

It is far easier for a wounded person to use a handgun than a sword. While I fully acknowledge that swords are deadly, I'll take my shotgun and then my handgun over a sword. This is even more true since my swordsmanship is lacking at best and my shooting skills aren't half bad. When it comes to cold steel versus hot lead, I'll take the latter... thanks! ;) :D

[Doug.38PR]

They caught the incident on camera too;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n8Z_sR83oU

[Deaf Smith]

Sure that wasn't Betrix Kiddo?

[natjohnb]

Since when did "The Firing Line" become the ninja forum?

If you had to use a sword to defend yourself; how is it going to look in court when you have to explain the arterial blood sprays all over the wall?

I'll stick with good old firearms to defend my home...

[Blackwater OPS]

The REAL video about what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwXIarEpzI

[Samurai]

You know those JFK assassination analysts who say that it's impossible for Oswald to have acted alone, because NOBODY could have made three 80-yard shots with a scoped sniper rifle in just over six seconds? You know how ridiculous those guys sound? THAT'S how I feel everyone who writes about how impossible it is to use a sword indoors.

If you know what you're doing, it's not only possible, it's quite easy. And, using a sword indoors kept the guy in the news story from having to shoot some stupid kid. In a fight, I'd rather have a gun, too. But all I'm saying is, just don't dismiss the idea of swords for viable home defense until you've trained to use one.

[SeaMariner]

I possess a 48" (overall length) cavalry sword based off a design from something circa 13th century. It was a gift from my brother and having been instructed in its use, even a guy like me (5'6"-5'7" 145lbs) can easily manuever throughout the house. Sure its a massive weapon (weighing some 8-9 lbs) but wide overhand cuts are not all sowrds are good for.

[SundownRider]

Just an FYI for those considering a sword for HD. A rapier is likely you best choice since they were designed for quarters as you would find in your home - narrow hallways and not much room to swing.
They are light, fast, and fairly easy to learn.

Useless against a gun, but will easily deal with most longer edged weapons.

[Iceman12]

"So let me get this straight . You each take REAL swords & hit at each other with them?"

um.....yup. Well, not eachother, I would look like the Monty Python Black Knight by now if that were the case, we hit eachothers swords. :) When we go for a body hit, we stop short and discuss briefly how that could of been stopped/ improved. We have on occation draw a lil blood from eachother, but nothing much worse than hammer bite u might get from a Highpower.:D

I do have to say though, my broad sword is rather riddled with knicks and burrs, and looks like I just got back from the crusades or something. Who knows, maybe that ragged used looking sword may save my life one day. One can never tell. :cool:

[Samurai]

Iceman,

Two points:

Point 1: WOOD!!!! Get some wooden weapons to train with so you don't screw up and cut the bejezus out of yourself or your friend! Tell your friend to get a wooden boken, and you go get one of those wooden Tai Chi swords. The life you save may be your very own.

Point 2: Get a good quality, carbon steel blade (Paul Chen makes them) and keep it around for cutting. Don't ding it up practicing. Keep it in good cutting shape.

Other than that, have fun. I know a couple of guys who get together and do exactly what you do, and they have a lot of fun with it. Stay safe, though.

[mbs357]

I've always wanted to get a bokken for goofing off with and a sword from Nosyuiaido (www.swordstore.com).
But even the bokkens are crazy expensive.

That stabbing at the party video was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

[Silvanus]

I have several swords at home which I use to fight with a friend of mine. They are "real" - but of course blunt - broad and longswords. Armor and stuff is pretty expensive, so we try to hold back a little if we score a hit, but it's still fun. (after getting stabbed in the hand though I decided we need gauntlets :rolleyes: )

In my opinion, an edged sword (which I have too) is a very effective HD weapon. In such close quarters the "longer effective range" of a firearm is of no advantage and a sword is undoubtedly at least as effective. It's also very simple and easy to use. You don't even need to be very strong to wield it, they are not heavy at all. IMO they are also more intimidating than a firearm, if that is important to you.

[CobrayCommando]

I'm sitting behind my desk, which soon may have a loaded .44 on it (if funds permit). Its about 20 feet away from the door, which I keep closed... I would say that I could pick up the .44 and empty it into a sword armed attacker before they could get within range to strike me.

Granted, we've reversed the roles so that the attacker has a sword, but there are a bunch of places in every house I've been in where a gun has the ultimate advantage, range, and few where a sword would have a massive advantage.

I mean, if you have the element of surprise you can chop off the guys gun hand, but with a gun you could also blow his head off.

I just don't see them being on equal ground.

[Silvanus]

You're probably right, I exaggerated with the "at least as effective" comment. That's not true for every situation (like the one you stated).
But it's still a viable option for SD and if you are close enough to your threat, stabbing or slashing someone with a sword is very effective.
And I don't expect some sort of assassin who enters my house, firearm in hand, ready to shoot me. I'm speaking of defending yourself against an intruder (burglar) who - when he realizes that he's been heard/seen - wants to hit you with a crowbar or a knife at the most.

[mbs357]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

[BlueTrain]

Do you realize that arguments about what kind of sword was most effective were made in the same way there are arguments about which cartridge is most effective--and the sword arguments are still going on. To cover all the bases, some swords had built in pistols during the flintlock era.

[TACHop&Pop]

BlueTrain
Yup I know what you mean, heck go over to a well established sword community like swordforum.com and you'll see the same exact thing as the caliber wars and arm chair commandoes as everwhere. As for my last comment I mean no offense to the people above.:)

And something for all sword lovers( I love swords and own many so i'm in here too) who say that there the end all beat all weapon, think for moment why the sword was phased out of the modern army's. shhh it has something to do with gunpowder but I can't put my finger on it.;)

[Musketeer]

I still can't get over the fact that there are people with sharp swords intentionally swinging them at each other and stopping "just short" of hitting each other...

Hey , I love swords. I fence epee, have a nice rapier and a couple other pieces. I even have a "utilitarian" Indian Kuhkri in the trunk of my car (works as a hatchet, spade and other tools as needed. Finally I always carry a good lockblade on me; for a year it has been a German Eickhorn folding knife. That said I will be meeting any intruders in my home with either my Remington 870 12 gauge or my 10mm 1911.

I know all about the distances that can be coverred with an edged weapon at close quarters, fence against a world class athlete if you want to see distance coverred with a sword QUICKLY. I still would rather have a gun!

[banditt007]

i'd say a good plunge of a sword into someone would do FAR more damage than any .380, 9mm, .40, .45 ect ect

[The Body Bagger]

Do you think you would invite less attention if you utlizied a war hammer or tomahawk in self defense? I think I'll look into CCW'ing a Tomahawk.......

[Double J]

A sword? Now that's an idea. Use a sword on an intruder. When the cops arrive, tell them we "disarmed" the guy. In court the intruder wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[Blackwater OPS]

A sword? Now that's an idea. Use a sword on an intruder. When the cops arrive, tell them we "disarmed" the guy. In court the intruder wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Oh G*d stop, please!:barf: ;)

[Samurai]

Blackwater,

You're saying we ought to cut this off before it gets out of control?

[FirstFreedom]

Doesn't sound like the intruder really got an arm's length transaction. Any way you slice it, this discussion should be severed.

[Blackwater OPS]

You guys are bad.....

[Musketeer]

I wish you would all cut this out, and get to the point, Chop Chop!

[kiov]

does anyone throw hawks? I could pick up my .45 or scattergun when i hear a break in but then where's the fun? The guy wouldn't have a chance; if the double didn't splatter him, the 14 rds of .45 on follow up wouldn't be very sporting. Plus, using the hawk is quiet and wont wake everybody up. I think I'll start sleeping in my war paint to add to the effect.

armchair brave

[Hard Ball]

OR, AS THE JAPANESE SAY "HE WHO IS STRUCK OMCE WITH A GOOD SWORD WILL SElDOM NEED STRiKIMG AGAIN."

[Silvanus]

Don't forget to take his scalp afterwards:D (sorry...)

[Capt Charlie]

Very punny, guys. But to, um.... cut to the chase, this started out a little on the wild side to begin with, and any way you slice it, it just ain't what you'd call... cutting edge tactics ;) .

Closed.