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Lurper
February 16, 2007, 12:47 PM
Here's something I was asked to demonstrate yesterday. The good old Mozambique Drill. For those not familiar, the drill is: 1 target at seven yards, 2 shots to the body, 1 to the head. We only count them if all hits are in the "A" zone. Equipment used was Kytac kydex holster (I just got it and don't remember the model), Taurus PT1911, 178 gr swc @ 960fps, Wilson 47D magazines, C.E. Timer. I did 2 with my S&W 22A in .99 & .98, but that's from the low ready because I don't have a holster.

http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/Lurper/?action=view&current=PT1911mozambique.flv

David Armstrong
February 16, 2007, 12:58 PM
Can't access the vid (danged company firewalls!) but the times posted indicate an important issue. The Mozambique is not 3 rapid shots all together. The actual Mozambique is based on only going for the head shot after one determines the CoM shots have not been effective. Otherwise, one could just go for the head shot to start the festivities. So it should be two rounds Com, assess, then transition to head shot if needed.

Lurper
February 16, 2007, 01:05 PM
DA, as I was taught it by Ray Chapman more than 20 years ago, there was no pause because as he put it, stopping to guage the effectiveness will get you killed.

SundownRider
February 16, 2007, 01:25 PM
A long time ago, when I was in Oklahoma, I was informed by my friend who lived there that the police in Tulsa were trained to shoot in such a manner(if deadly force was necessary) Never knew it was a particular drill. Makes sense, though.

Hard Ball
February 16, 2007, 02:59 PM
I belive it was Ray Chapman who said "Two to the chest and two to the head and even the Jolly Green Giant will fall down dead!"

Mossy00
February 16, 2007, 04:29 PM
What relevancy does that video have when you can't see if he even hit his intended mark?

cochise
February 16, 2007, 05:49 PM
I saw it in my "minds eye".:)

Nice shooting Lurper!

oldbillthundercheif
February 16, 2007, 06:58 PM
If you were hitting well, that was some damn fine shooting.

dogloose
February 16, 2007, 07:31 PM
That's a great drill... and that's how I was taught... the two to the body may stop the goblin... but moving up to the head as rapidly as demonstrated adds a little insurance... or as my instructor told me... "Two to the body and one to the head... if you still see a head on the way up."

Lurper
February 16, 2007, 07:40 PM
Mossy, it has plenty of relevance. You are not the audience, the people present were. The video camera is used as a tool for analysis of technique. The best camera position is the strong side, not behind or in front. I just thought I'd share some of the video since most people here like shooting. When I get a second camera, I can focus one on the shooter and the other on the target. I will also get the digital display for the timer so everyone can see it (that is why I am calling out the times, etc.). Until then, you'll just have to take my word.

Thanks for the compliments, I hope you enjoyed it. I have a couple more I will post from the same session.

FWIW dogloose, I was taught to use that drill if there was a chance that the BG was wearing armor whether it had been confirmed or not (as you said, just a little insurance).

vanko
February 16, 2007, 09:54 PM
Lurper, the sooting is so quick that I can't figure out were they 2 or 3 shots?

Charles S
February 16, 2007, 10:16 PM
Very fast. I am impressed.

Tim Burke
February 17, 2007, 10:08 AM
The "assess" for the head shot does not require a pause. If the head is behind the front sight when you are ready to fire the head shot, then fire. If not, don't.

jhenry
February 17, 2007, 12:11 PM
Smooth is fast, fast is smooth.

swk314
February 18, 2007, 12:46 AM
Lurper,

That was some fast shooting. I really couldn't tell if you fired 2 or 3 rounds at the target.

FAL-schutter
February 19, 2007, 08:17 AM
Does anyone know why it's called the Mozambique Drill? Was it invented by the Portuguese? :p

Charles S
February 19, 2007, 08:43 AM
Does anyone know why it's called the Mozambique Drill? Was it invented by the Portuguese?

Yes, no.

It is called the Mozambique based on the experience of one of Jeff Cooper's students, Mike Rouseau, while on duty in Mozambique.

JDSnead
February 19, 2007, 08:47 AM
Jeff Cooper's Commentaries
Vol. 4, No. 8 July, 1996
…the classic Mozambique Drill, in which the student fires two shots as fast as he can at the center of mass, then, after pausing to observe the effect of his first two shots, he slows down and places one round carefully in the head. The idea is that if the first two shots do not quiet the adversary, this is either because he is not interested in the cartridge employed or he is wearing body armor. Speed is no longer a dominant consideration, but turning the adversary off is. The way one turns his adversary off is with a shot to the brain. A shot to the pubis, even if perfectly delivered, is unlikely to stop the conflict. It may annoy, inconvenience, or enrage the adversary, but it will not stop his shooting. Only a head shot will do that.

Thus we have the Mozambique Drill derived from an actual circumstance in Mozambique many years ago, in which the victorious contestant was one Mike Roussou, later killed in action in the Rhodesian War. The Mozambique Drill is a very definite addition to the repertoire of any qualified pistolero.

http://www.dvc.org.uk/jeff/jeff4_8.html

Seems like this is the answer, according to this posting.

Hope this helps.
JS

FAL-schutter
February 19, 2007, 09:25 AM
Thanks, that did help. I did some Googling; apparently, Roussou/Rousseau (spelling varies) was a South African (or maybe Rhodesian) who was in Mozambique for some reason during the either the latter stages of the war against the Portuguese or the early stages of the civil war (which started right after the Portuguese were thrown out), and encountered an AK-wielding "terrorist" (presumably a foot soldier of either FRELIMO or RENAMO if prior to 1975, or RENAMO after 1975) in or near Maputo airport, while Roussou/Rousseau was armed with a Hi-Power. He double-tapped the tango in the chest, and when that failed to have immediate effect, put an additional round in his head. Later, he recounted the incident to Cooper, who decided it was a good technique for a handgunner to develop.

(Note that Cooper's reaction was not "you shouldn't have been using a 9mm, you should been using a .45 ACP...")

Jeff22
February 21, 2007, 12:46 AM
Mozambique Drill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Mozambique Drill was added to the modern technique of gunfighting by Jeff Cooper based on the experience of one of his students, Mike Rouseau, while on duty in Mozambique. Rouseau was later killed in action in the Rhodesian War.

The Mozambique Drill considers the deficiency of the pistol round in stopping an adversary. Statistics show that reactions in gunfights are extremely irregular -- one must be prepared for the worst. Many times it is the case that after absorbing the trauma of the first shots, the enemy will disregard further ballistic insult. It has been pointed out that simply "more shots" are not the answer. The Mozambique Drill instructs the shooter to place a double-tap in the center of mass, followed by a carefully aimed headshot.
Contrary to popular belief, the immediate aim of defensive shooting is to incapacitate a target so as to render that person unable to attack. Unlike what is commonly seen on television and in movies, gunshot wounds rarely kill instantly. The incapacitation caused by gunshots is the result of neuro-circulatory shock. The trauma resulting from impact and wound channel after two shots to a target's center of mass will produce a reflexive nervous system collapse in about 96% of cases. In the other 4%, either an adrenaline rush or the effect of stimulant drugs will override this reflex, and further shots will not produce this instantly-incapacitating shock. Because of this, the third shot should be aimed to destroy the brain, ensuring that the target's nervous system will shut down and leave the target unable to attack. This third shot is most effective when placed between a target's eyes as a higher shot is more likely to deflect off of hard bone and a lower shot is unlikely to produce the nervous system damage required to instantly stop an attacker.

The Mozambique Drill is also known as the 'failure to stop drill' , "body armor defeat drill" or '2+1 drill', this drill is frequently a discriminator between the average shooter and the gifted shooter, especially when it is timed.

SeaMariner
February 21, 2007, 02:42 AM
In the video, the left hand travels cross the abdomen and then cuts sharply up and out to the weapon to join its fellow... Is that just how you practiced it? I've had my shooting described as mechanical in the spirit of style, and action. Yours seems very smooth in style, but close look reveals a very straight-line sort of mechanical action covered only by the speed of movement. Little in the way of arcs....

By the video, your shots were in a rough vertical line with the first two COM landing about an inch apart and the head shot landing alittle below horizontal middle? Would be interested to know how the string turned out. (First string)

PzGren
February 21, 2007, 04:55 AM
Looking at the technique employed and the control of the muzzle rise, my guess is that they were hits.

Lurper
February 21, 2007, 12:13 PM
SM:Speed = economy of motion.
Yes, that is how I train. You want to get your weak hand on the pistol as soon as possible, yet you want to be sure not to sweep it with the muzzle at the same time. Bringing the weak hand to the navel is what allows you to accpmplish both. You will notice that my weak hand is not closed. It is open with the fingers spread. This insures the proper positioning when the weak hand recieves the pistol.

Two other notable points about the draw:
You will notice that the strong hand does not "scoop" the pistol out of the holster, it moves above it and plucks it from the holster. In the same fashion as one plucks a pebble from another's hand.
Also, the presentation is not in an arc. It is up and out as if punching both hands toward the target. This allows you to acquire the sights very early in the presentation and even will allow you to fire an accurate shot before the arms are fully extended. Since the pistol (and sights) move in a straight line to the target, you can shoot much more quickly.
FWIW, .93 first shot is very slow for me, but since people were watching I wanted to be sure I hit the target! Also, with the last shot being at the head, I tend to be more precise and deliberate when doing a mozambique drill.

Lurper
February 21, 2007, 12:16 PM
FWIW again:
I was taught the Mozambique Drill in the context of competition shooting, not self-defense. Just like the "El Presidente", it was used as sort of a benchmark of skill.

SeaMariner
February 21, 2007, 03:07 PM
I realize as much... Just very odd... I dunno. Studying video from the last draw and shoot session I had (about two months ago), my left hand is already reached across the abdomen nearly to a place where the gun would be held a low ready before the the other hand even clears the weapon. In this session especially, I'm wearing a coat so the left hand preempts almost the right, drawing the coat away from the holster. Its probably largerly due to practicing off hand arm guard to ward away an attacker and give clearance for the weapon.


Since I don't have the video posted anywhere, I'll just describe. The left hand comes out, forearm parallel to the stomach and rising to be even to sternum. Right hand moves rearward, brushing aside clothing and grasps the grip. With the old holster and P99, which sat at the five o'clock, the weapon is collected as the arm circles back around to the front, drawing the muzzle clear of the 15 deg cant and pointing towards the ground in a sweep that comes to first present on target from a mid body shot, forearm parallel to the deck. If the target is fartherer away than five feet, the arm continues punching straight out. At this continuation, the left hand meets the right on the outward push, settling into a modified weaver or isoceles, depending on situation.

CrowShooter
February 23, 2007, 06:58 AM
That's just 3 unaimed rounds downrange and "FWIW, .93 first shot is very slow for me" is just silly. BTW, you missed your grip on the second string and you shouldn't move your head down to the gun. Way too much movement..........

Get real.

David Armstrong
February 23, 2007, 01:33 PM
DA, as I was taught it by Ray Chapman more than 20 years ago, there was no pause because as he put it, stopping to guage the effectiveness will get you killed.
Ray was probably doing it as a competition technique, rather than a combat technique. The Mozambique was coined and defined by Jeff Cooper following an actual incident by one of his students. The assessment is an essential part of the true combat Mozambique, as opposed to the competition version. Like Tim said, the true Mozambique includes the assessment stage, instead of an automatic head shot.

Lurper
February 23, 2007, 06:02 PM
Crowshooter,
Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful "critique" of my video. Allow me however to clarify a couple of points.
1. They are not just unaimed shots fired downrange.
2. .93 is slow since my average on 1 shot draw drills is the low to mid .8's
3. I did not "miss" my grip even though that was the first time I used that holster
4. Perhaps you are the one who should get real
5. Didn't believe that video? Check out this one.

http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/Lurper/?action=view&current=mozambiquerevisted.flv
Overall, I think your post was "just silly."

Lurper
February 23, 2007, 06:07 PM
DA, you are probably right. I don't remember the exact conversation since it was 1985, but I was not taught to hesitate.

CrowShooter
February 23, 2007, 07:46 PM
1. Sure they are. You're not shooting .13's at a 7 yard head shot. Please.
2. No way.
3. Yes, you did, corrected between 2nd and 3rd shots, you can see the poor grip in your video. You can't see it? Pretty obvious to me.
4. Perhaps, but anyone that knows anything knows that you are not doing low to mid .8 draws, unless they are 1 yard targets. Absolutely ridiculous.
5. No, I didn't, and FYI, won't.

OK, I'm done with you on this one.

CS

Lurper
February 23, 2007, 11:31 PM
CS
1. Are not. If you listen to the video, the splits are .19 & .16. Thank you.
2. Way. When I was actively competing, my draws were in the .70's.
3. Don't know what vision altering chemicals you are using. But, since your eye is obviously well trained, I must have.
4. Perhaps that means you just don't know anyone who knows anything. I can tell you 20 or 30 shooters off the top of my head that can do that at 10 yards.
5. Could really care less.

SeaMariner
February 24, 2007, 11:36 AM
Wow.... I don't know what you shoot crow, but maybe you should hit the competitive circuit and see just how fast some people are.

I don't practice enough to get that fast but with a light trigger, I've taken a Morini and dumped a complete 5-rd mag in under a second... that means that each shot followed the next by less the .2 of second... With my current 1911, that'd be dang impossbile on account that I'm currently set up with a 10lb trigger.

JohnKSa
February 24, 2007, 12:52 PM
CrowShooter,

Either here or on THR, I've seen a member named Ankeny post a Mozambique video that was about the same speed.

It's common for a person to assume that because they can/can't do something that same limitation or ability will transfer to others. ;)

BouncerDan
February 24, 2007, 03:38 PM
Something to remember here is that when you are shooting at a real target the first two rounds to the chest may not stop him but they will affect him. More likely then not he will drop some if not all the way to the ground. So it isn't a good idea to train yourself to automatically move from chest to where the head was. Because chances are the head isn't going to be in the same spot. So you should always take a moment to get re adjust. Readjustment can be done in a 1/10th of a second and will save you from possibly shooting a by standard.

evan1293
February 27, 2007, 08:54 PM
Hey Lurper, Great shooting my friend!!! thanks for taking the time to post with vids, its always exiciting for me to see folks at the level Im trying to get to. Keep up the great work. I think you made your buddy "eat crow" with that last video. :D

CrowShooter
February 28, 2007, 06:24 PM
I never said that it couldn't be done. I did some 1.40-1.50 Mozambiques Tuesday afternoon at 7 yards, and I haven't shot a match or practiced seriously in over a year. Some were faster, but not all the hits were A's. A lot were slower. I certainly did say that a .93 draw is not slow, because it's not. I can do some .7's as well, but they're not always A's. I can do some in the .8's with a better percentage of A's, but still not all there. When you get into high .9's to about 1.05, then I'm fairly consistent, but that is on close, open targets with no hard cover, and none of these are one shot drills. Not sure if I could ever do that from Kydex, but I've never tried, either. I missed your post about the one shot draw drills, with the comment about the .7's, but you know that those are very misleading, as a good grip is not necessary and you're not really worried about that next shot. Even so, you have to know what you're doing to achieve this, i.e., reaction to the timer, draw, etc., so I'm certainly not taking anything away from you there. Very rare to see anyone in any match doing anything under a .9, unless you are closer than 7 yards. .13 splits, or as you old timers like to call them, breaks, at a head shot are pretty darn fast, and if you're doing .11's consistently you're doing a lot of missing. Fast, even with an Open gun. Not impossible, mind you, but very fast. Very difficult to even shoot .11's doing a Bill Drill, and I can hammer pretty good myself. My point is, I don't want to take away anything from the guys and gals that work hard every day to achieve this by inferring/implying that .7's draws and .11-.13 splits are commonplace: they're not. It takes just the right circumstances to do this. If that offends you, then I apologize in advance, but it's still true.

A Mozambique is a pretty decent drill, because you are trying to shoot it very fast and get all A's. The transition to the head is the kicker here, as you have to really move the gun and stop it just as fast. The tendency at this level, M & GM, is to bring the gun down from recoil as soon as the shot breaks, so to get it going back up to the head shot can just seem foreign at times. You can try a rolling break here, but you're going to fail about 50% of the time, maybe more.

In the second string of your video, it appears to me that your support hand doesn't catch up to the gun until you are almost extended. I can see something there, perhaps it's a shadow. If that's not the case, then my apologies to you. I also noticed that you moved your head a lot on your draw. I didn't imagine that, did I? If I see something that you could improve upon, should I keep quiet? I would sure want to know if I could improve. You know that the correct way is to bring the gun to your face with no other parts of your body moving except your arms.

OK, enough of this. Brian, you're not the only M here and this ain't my first boat ride. Let's move on, I'm trying not to get off on the wrong foot with you, OK? Thanks.

CS

Lurper
March 1, 2007, 12:23 AM
CS
If you knew me (as opposed to knowing my name), you would know that I can do the things exactly as often and the way I described. Since you live in VA, it wouldn't be too hard to find out. There are enough people there who knew me when I was shooting.

Yes, I could shoot "A's" on demand in the .7 range all day long. I could shoot 2 "A's" in the .9's most of the time. At 10 yards, not 1. I could also do .11 splits without "missing a lot."

What I found offensive was you in essence calling me a liar. I understand that you don't know me from Adam and that I could be just another internet ninja wannabe. But that was over the top.

In reference to the video, it is a shadow or some other phenomena. I did not have a bad grip. As far as the critique of my technique goes:
I don't want to offend you, nor do I mean to sound arrogant, but there are only four people who I feel are qualified or who I care to hear critique me. They are: Shaw, Leatham, Enos and Todd. The first 3 taught me to shoot and Todd and I shot together for years. Do I lower my head more than I should? Yep, I raise my shoulders a tad too much as well. But even with those small bad habits, I was as fast as anyone and faster than most (in the words of one of my teachers). Fast enough to win stages (overall) at the Nationals for a few years when I was competing. FWIW, I quit competing before GM class was created, otherwise I would be a GM.

I don't hold grudges - don't believe in holding on to negative energy. I don't know you and if I met you would base my feelings toward you on our interaction in person, not on a forum. Having said all that, I agree. Bury the hatchet and move forward.

swk314
March 1, 2007, 04:27 AM
Lurper,

I was wondering why your shots were low on the abdomen of the target. Wouldn't a shooter be aiming at the center of the chest, and then attempt a head shot? I'm not critiscizing, just curious.

Lurper
March 1, 2007, 10:20 AM
swk
I shot low that entire day. Don't know why, but if the sights are in the "A" zone, then I break the shot.

SeaMariner
March 1, 2007, 10:22 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cY9CyA9s41c

Watch this guy.... in front of a crowd (so we know there's so watch acceleration crap). Multiple targets.... 8 shots.... one second.... reload..... another 8 shots..

Practice is what makes this possible... any more doubting is just people who want excuses not to practice....

Lurper, excellent shooting. Keep up the practice and don't slow down for others' criticism... Everybody else.... the avg human has a reaction time in the neighborhood of 3-400 ms.... some of us with more training (ex, sports players, gamers, well-practiced shooters, etc) have times in the the 1-200 ms range.... Sub-100ms reaction times have been seen. Why am I stating this... well somebody said why make the head shot so quickly, since the guy might have moved after being hit with the first bullet.... Popycrock.... with the bullets landing in a sub 500ms spread, the avg human whould not even have reacted to the first hit yet, much less have time to move sufficiently to avoid the third...


Human anatomy is a great topic. I recomend study in your free time.


(Btw... 8 shots in 1 sec with a revolver is just disgusting.... :) )

Charles S
March 1, 2007, 11:52 AM
Off topic but, SeaMariner the video is quite real, it is an excerpt from a history channel special. The gentleman (I do mean that in every sense of the term) is Mr. Miculek, an incredible world class shooter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek

I have seen him shoot 6 shots and reload with 6 more shots in person out of his S&W 625 in just over 3 seconds with all A zone hits.

Then on demand he shot 6 shots in under a second A zone, single target, with a Ruger Speed six with 2 3/4 inches of barrel, full house loads.

Mr. Miculek teaches at his place in Bossier City, LA. The name of his school is Bang and he can tailor a class to meet your needs. He is a great teacher and a great guy. His wife is an incredible shooter also.

His website is:http://www.bang-inc.com/

Lurper and Crowshooter, you are both well above my skill level and for that matter faster than the vast majority of shooters in the world. I am in graduate school so I am not shooting competitively now, but I know what I can do and I cannot shoot anywhere near your draw times nor your splits. I cannot shoot anywhere near the splits you are even if I am just shooting a bill drill. I just am not that fast.

Lurper
March 1, 2007, 12:42 PM
Charles
You are correct, Jerry is a first class shooter and a first class human being (Kay is as well). When I was competing, I shot with both of them.


You should really tell yourself that right now you don't have the skill to shoot that fast. However, you are capable of it. If I can do it, anyone can.
"Whether you believe you can or cannot, either way you are correct."
Henry Ford

Truer words were never spoken.

Capt Charlie
March 1, 2007, 01:03 PM
I shot low that entire day. Don't know why, but if the sights are in the "A" zone, then I break the shot.
Just a thought here, but I've seen shooters frequently shoot low when speed shooting from the holster. What happens is that a person will start shooting while the arm is still being extended and the muzzle isn't yet on target.

If you ever get access to a FATS system, the computer critique shows a slow motion, visible tracking of the muzzle from the instant you clear leather. Using FATS, I've learned that I often have a tendency to put my first shot low when I try to push the speed issue just a little too much. The laser tracking clearly shows that the muzzle hasn't completed its arc on my first shot.

Charles S
March 1, 2007, 01:45 PM
You should really tell yourself that right now you don't have the skill to shoot that fast. However, you are capable of it. If I can do it, anyone can.

You are correct. I just don't currently have the time to dedicate to practice to attain that level of skill and speed. I may in the future, but not now.

Jerry is a first class shooter and a first class human being (Kay is as well).

I have been fortunate enough to take classes from them both. Kay and Jerry are excellent teachers and are good at diagnosing problems. I am a much better shooter because of their instruction.

Covert Mission
March 28, 2007, 06:19 PM
re: the true Mozambique includes the assessment stage, instead of an automatic head shot."

The assessment is basically "Oh, sh*t, he's not going down (with the 1st two rounds)...a failure to stop, so you add the head shot.

The head being a small, usually moving target in this situation, some trainers advocate a pelvis/groin shot just below where body armor would stop, as ithat zone is bigger, moving less, and presumably would stop the attack. It won't, of course, "turn off the lights" as would a round to the BHU (brain housing unit).

I've no personal experience with using the Mozambique in real life, but I do practice it as a good measure of defensive skill (from concealment), along with the El Prez. FWIW