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Shooter 973
February 11, 2007, 06:40 PM
I have never had the desire to hunt Elephant!!! I just can't get excited about killing some thing that large.:(

The Gamemaster
February 11, 2007, 06:53 PM
Seal, mountain lion, goats, antelope, giraffe, elephant, lions, tigers and allegators.

Rembrandt
February 11, 2007, 07:01 PM
...snakes....(I hate snakes)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0082971/th-IJ1_IA_142_R.jpg

auburnboattail
February 11, 2007, 07:22 PM
Never had a desire to hunt gators

Shane Tuttle
February 11, 2007, 07:48 PM
You want a completely stupid answer? Well, mine probably is. I don't have ANY desire for a buck with a HUGE rack. Please let me explain:

There I am, up in my stand several feet up with a view of the Rockies in the background, clearing in the foregound. That beautiful buck peacefully grazing...couldn't do it. The moment of nature would overcome my desire to do it. I have no qualms of anybody taking the shot. It just wouldn't happen with me.

rantingredneck
February 11, 2007, 07:52 PM
I've never had a desire to hunt Wolves. I think they are beautiful animals and even if they were plentiful I'd never be willing to kill one. I've shot coyotes and have no problem with that at all, but their bigger cousins are off limits for me.

robc
February 11, 2007, 07:55 PM
I would love to hunt just about any animal a person can hunt. I just think the idea of hunting ground-dwelling animals with dogs (by bringing the critter to bay) sounds yucky. I think it's mostly a bear, lion, coon thing. I'm sure there are other animals people hunt this way.

Fat White Boy
February 11, 2007, 07:56 PM
Giraffe- Even though I think the hide is beautiful, I wouldn't hunt and kill one.

Unless it was a rogue, of course...

stuckon308
February 11, 2007, 08:29 PM
I can pretty much hunt anything as long as I can eat it and it tastes good. Or if there are way too many. I might have troubles with rabbits because they're kind of cute and there aren't many of them around my area.

kickshot85
February 11, 2007, 08:37 PM
Anything where there is no chance for "fair chase", or if I have no intention of harvesting the animal for meat. I guess most African safari game would be part of my NO list. Moose would be one I wouldn't shoot either.

rem33
February 11, 2007, 09:17 PM
Far as I can remember I never thought about hunting hamsters or dolphins.

deerslayer79
February 11, 2007, 10:06 PM
yeah any thing that is cornered or tree'd doesn't strike my fancy :barf: ,I want it to be me against the animal,not me and 8 dogs or me and a fenced in quarry,I want a even playing field.well except for a deerstand or something like that.

ohen cepel
February 11, 2007, 10:12 PM
Not into hunting stuff I'm not going to eat.

remjeep75
February 11, 2007, 11:10 PM
i dont have any desire to hunt buffalo, for some reason i just wouldnt want to do it.

22-rimfire
February 11, 2007, 11:27 PM
My no hunt (no shoot) list includes whales, polar bear, ducks, geese and most snakes (water mocasins excluded). I have passed shooting bobcats, but that was because I was deer hunting.

I probably would not shoot a hummingbird. :)

AZGunLover
February 12, 2007, 11:17 PM
I wouldn't hunt anything I wouldn't eat.

Desertfox
February 13, 2007, 05:43 AM
I don't want to hunt bats. I would, however, like to know how penguines, Giraffe, Zebra, seal (various type), and Thar taste before I remove them from my "wanna harvest" list.
Your input would be appreciated.

davlandrum
February 13, 2007, 12:19 PM
DesertFox - I heard they all taste like chicken....:rolleyes:

Since the chances of me ever having enough money to leave North America are less than zero, The only game species I can think of is buffalo. The hunts I have seen on TV don't look very challenging or exciting.

oldbillthundercheif
February 13, 2007, 04:50 PM
Seals are tasty, y'all should try it.

I don't hunt "varmints"... seems like killing only for the sake of killing. Unless you have a real problem with them on your property it seems a little odd to me to sit around blowing up prairie dogs just for the hell of it.

Desertfox
February 13, 2007, 05:45 PM
Second on the sittin around blowin up prarie dogs. Seems a little bent to me too. I may be out of the loop, I know they are destructive, but you would have to kill thousands to cure that problem. Killin just to watch something die seems dangerously close to disturbed. Or may actually be the definition.

If I am missing something, I am open minded enough to listen.

FrontSight
February 13, 2007, 05:52 PM
Hhmmm...def not dolphins or whales, nor wild horses, nor chipmunks, nor wild dogs nor feral cats...and I think that's about it. Anything else I'd blast.

Socrates
February 13, 2007, 06:13 PM
I'm getting old. The joy of killing seems to diminish with age, since maybe you learn to value the creatures, and beauty created by God.

Also, the thought enters your mind that when you get to the gates, St. Peter might turn out to have tusks, and a trunk...;)

S

Bigfatts
February 13, 2007, 07:27 PM
I don't have any desire to hunt Elephant, Wolf, Seal, Giraffe, and the only cat I will shoot is a feral house cat.

sparkysteve
February 13, 2007, 08:22 PM
Anything that lives in Africa. Too hot for me there. Too long of a plane ride. And I prefer to hunt in locations where malaria vaccines are not mandatory. Not to mention the cost.:D

Charles S
February 13, 2007, 08:25 PM
I have never had a desire to hunt the bears. I know hunting is essential to game management, but I guess I will always be content to leave bear hunting to others.

In Africa I would be more than happy to forgo hunting the Big five or Giraffes. There is quite a bit of plains game I would be interested in hunting.

Capp35
February 14, 2007, 01:49 PM
Zebra

If I want to shoot a horse, I'm sure I can do it in the states.

DWARREN123
February 14, 2007, 02:17 PM
Anything that could ruin my day.

454c
February 14, 2007, 02:18 PM
Fox, some friends did a little pd shooting last year while they were out west. They said the numbers had to be seen to be believed.

Csspecs
February 14, 2007, 03:53 PM
Big game, I like small game like rabbits and game birds. Less stress on one shot and more enjoyable as you can talk with your hunting buddy walking vs. sitting in a cold tree stand by yourself.

I hunt deer mostly because the rest of the group does, often times I leave my tree stand and go small game hunting instead.

Fat White Boy
February 15, 2007, 12:19 AM
Scrap5000- Feral Dogs and feral cats are ferocious predators of just about anything that moves. They should be removed from the environment when ever possible...

jrfoxx
February 15, 2007, 08:05 AM
Anything that is easily capable of killing and eating me if I dont kill it first (read:lions, tigers, big bears, etc):)

dfaugh
February 15, 2007, 09:26 AM
Anything where there is no chance for "fair chase", or if I have no intention of harvesting the animal for meat.

Pretty much my philosphy too, except I WILL hunt varmints, if theyare causing destruction/problems.

Supertac
February 15, 2007, 12:29 PM
I will never again kill a seagull. I got arrested and was almost charged with a felony. Didn't realize that they were federally protected.

The only animals that I wouldn't want to kill are ones that could send me to jail.

Mossy00
February 15, 2007, 12:53 PM
As a hunter, I won't hunt any other hunter or predatory animal. It's a mutual respect thing. I haven't hunted in 8 or 9 years, but when I was a kid I did.

FrontSight
February 15, 2007, 02:20 PM
I hear ya, and 100% agree to take em out without hesitation...just never had the desire to, ya know? Like "gee, I really wanna go hunt feral cats" has never popped into my head...:D

FirstFreedom
February 15, 2007, 04:54 PM
I hate snakes

All the more reason to hunt them. I don't think there's anything that I wouldn't want to hunt, except maybe endangered songbirds or any endangered species for that matter.

But beyond that, within non-endangered species, I don't want to kill anything that I can't eat UNLESS it either (a) is a nuisance/pest, or (b) is interesting/beautiful/difficult to bag, AND I have the time and money to pay the taxidermist. But essentially everything is fair game from honeybees to whales.

rem33
February 15, 2007, 08:37 PM
But essentially everything is fair game from honeybees to whales.
__________________

I have to agree 100% with FirstFreedom here.
As kid we shot flys and bugs with BB guns or air from our pellet guns.
If I could go with the Indians in their huge canoe out of Neah Bay and hunt whales I would go in NY minute. I Enjoy hunting, I have since I was a small child.
My Father is 83 he got his deer last year I hope to at 83 also.

RedneckFur
February 15, 2007, 11:16 PM
I dont want to hunt:
Snakes. For the most part, they are harmless.
Horses (wild or otherwise). Thats next to murder, in my mind.
Wolves. I wouldnt eat it.
Coyotes. I wouldnt eat it.
African big game. Just seems pointless to me.

I do hunt white tailed deer, and on ocassion, racoon
I'd like to try hunting wild boar

I've got mixed feelings on bear, moose, and elk.

I've heard many older hunters talk about loosing the desire to kill... I'm already starting to loose mine, i beilve, and i'm only 24. The truth is, I uasually feel sad after i kill a deer. Even cried a few times. I dont say "harvest" because killing is what its, wether its politically correct or not. I love to hunt, and i see the remose that comes from killing animals as part of the price you pay. I dont have much respect for somone that can kill a beautiful trophy buck and not feel a little sadness for doing it.

Desertfox
February 16, 2007, 05:38 AM
"a little sadness" - For me it is greatfullness for the opportunity. The loss of the deer's life is part of the cycle of life. I always thank God and the harvested game. There is always a celebration for that harvest when I bring it home. I do say harvest because that game animal will be tablefare at my house. I harvested 7 whitetails last season and 6 this season. They taste good and are preservative, growth hormone, and synthetic steroid free.

I do not think ending any animal's life is anywhere close to murder.

Nothing pointless about a trophy Kudu to me.

In my opinion snakes for the most part are not harmless.

I have no mixed feelings about it. I am not cold blooded, I just understand and believe in what I am doing.

I have not hunted in 8 days. I will hunt soon.

Charles S
February 16, 2007, 10:00 AM
A little off topic, but....

"a little sadness" - For me it is greatfullness for the opportunity. The loss of the deer's life is part of the cycle of life. I always thank God and the harvested game. There is always a celebration for that harvest when I bring it home. I do say harvest because that game animal will be tablefare at my house.

Very well stated. I also have that moment of appreciate at the end of the life cycle. I have not meet too many other hunters who do. For me it is not overwhelming, and certainly not a reason to hunt. I only killed 3 deer last year, but I do and will continue to enjoy the meat. You articulated my sentiments at the harvest of an animal well, I feel the same way.

Congrats on a great year. Good luck.

Smoke Screen
February 16, 2007, 11:28 AM
I'd definately pass on things like Manatee, California Condor, etc...

I'm a varmint hunter so I take care of problem animals. Just to respond to the wolf question previously, wolfs are becoming more and more of a problem, not only attacking humans, but killing domestic dogs and the like. In Wisconsis for example, you can get up to $2500 for a dog killed by a wolf. The Govt promised when they reintrouduced them into the wild that they would have no negative effect on the enviornment. HA! I wouldn't want to just go out and shoot one, but if they continued to become a problem and permits were issued...I'd be all game. Idaho has a population of over 33,000 wolfs now. Some of those suckers get to be 185 lbs!!!:eek:

castnblast
February 16, 2007, 03:43 PM
skunks, opossums...:D

elephant, cape buffalo. It's Like shooting a cow that can kill you.

boristhebulletdodger
February 16, 2007, 04:18 PM
Sloths. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kTkOgHO4pA)

BrianBM
February 16, 2007, 06:43 PM
My cousins. Too ugly to mount and too tasteless to eat. Mostly their parent's problem, anyhow. :D :D :D

Leafs
February 26, 2007, 01:47 PM
I wouldn't shoot anything I wouldn't eat but I also wouldn't judge anyone as long as it's legal.

Why do so many not want to hunt seals? Are you afraid to get out on the ice (it's dangerous) or because they look so cute and cuddily?

Seals are the hogs of the ocean. I was fooled by PETA's full page ads in national newspapers. I didn't always feel this way until I seen the premier of one of Canada's provinces on the east coast own Paul McCartney and his ex-wife (anti-hunter) on Larry King. He provided the real facts and left McCartney speechless. I've since did my own research and it fully supports the sealers.

The seal heard on Canada's east coast has grown to over 6 million since a limited hunt was imposed because of pressure by over-the-hill celebrities trying to get in the spotlight. Scientists say the heard needs to be culled back to about 2 million like it was 200 years ago. The seals helped in the demise of the cod fishery and have put thousands out of work. Imagine telling farmers in the US there's nothing you can do to protect your crops from hogs.

Seals have been found swimming up fresh water rivers chasing salmon and trout. There's a video of seals in a bay feeding on a school of cod. The seals just bite a piece out of the belly and waste the rest of the fish. The whole bottom of the bay was littered with dead fish.

A very small portion of seals are killed just for their coats. The flippers are supposed to be delicious and the seal oil is used in many medicines and viatimins. Their only natural enemy on the east coast is the polar bear and inorder for the bears to control the seals scientists estimate we're about 75,000 bears short.

The biggest issue I noticed was the clubbing of seals. Again, after some research and not listening to some washed up celebrity talk about how cruel it is, I had a change of heart. Clubbing is actually more efficient than shooting and scientists recommend it because it's instant and most humane.

Yellowfin
February 26, 2007, 02:50 PM
I won't kill anything I can't eat like most other people, but have the further have absolute total disdain and repugnace for any use of dogs other than for pointing and retrieving. Unleashing a dog to harm another animal to me is in my mind cruel and completely unnecessary, and quite frankly lazy. I've had to put up with too many slimeballs stealing deer off my land by running dogs to even think about stooping to that level. Game theft is a very, very low crime.

Gewehr98
February 26, 2007, 04:48 PM
I love buffalo burgers and steaks.

I don't hunt snakes. I'm not paranoid about them, but after watching those rattlesnake roundup videos, I have to ask "why?" I've owned pet snakes, including a calabar ground python that was an absolute mild-mannered riot. I took her with me wherever I went and she was absolutely fine with it.

Farmers around these parts are getting wrapped around the axle about the re-introduction of the timber wolf.

I won't hunt them (wolves) either. I feel the snakes and wolves serve an important part in the ecosystem.

Now, our deer herd has exploded in the last 10 years, you can tell simply by counting the number of roadkill deer on a trip this last winter. If the DNR hasn't figured it out by now, at least some of that population explosion has to be due to the elimination of predatory species in the region. So until the wolf and bear population can rebound, I'll be more than happy to stuff my freezers with venison. :D

RedneckFur
February 28, 2007, 05:18 PM
Yellowfin, North Carolina allows deer hunting with dogs too, and my father has had alot of trouble with nearby hunting clubs running their dogs over his property when they think nobody is home.

Our solution to the problem was to load up some salt shot and every time we caught the dogs on our property, we let them have it. We have up plenty of no tresspassing signs, so it isnt as if they did this accidentally. On a few ocasions, we've even found our 'tresspassing' signs shot up or torn down.

Another tactic that works well is to catch and hold the dogs when you find them on your property. Make the offending hunters come and ask for their dogs back. Never hurts to have the local police or sherif present when they do.

Our neighbor chose to use a very high voltage eletric fence. Its efective, but i dont know how legal it is, so I dont know if I'd recomend that.

lockedcj7
February 28, 2007, 05:59 PM
Cape Buffalo or any of the African stomp-you-to-death animals.

Sorry, call me chicken if you want but I'm not into dangerous game. Maybe with a Ma Deuce from the top of a 113 but not with a PH in the brush or long grass.

C Philip
February 28, 2007, 06:29 PM
The only animals that I wouldn't want to kill are ones that could send me to jail.

Well said. I prefer to hunt animals that I could use for something like food or fur, but I wouldn't mind going on a hunting trip for something else as long as it's legal.

rem33
February 28, 2007, 08:45 PM
Why do so many not want to hunt seals? Are you afraid to get out on the ice (it's dangerous) or because they look so cute and cuddily?

Propaganda works is why so many don't want to. They are/have been devastating to salmon runs in some NW rivers and the fish and game depts. hands are tied. They will try throwing cherry bomb type of explosives to scare the seals away. What a joke, me and my '06 and a few more guys could help tremendously in a short while. Meanwhile Salmon runs in the NW are dwindling and the seal population isn't and from what was written here is or already has become a real problem.
Reminds me of the wolf situation going on as I write this.

Yellowfin
March 2, 2007, 03:38 PM
Are seals edible? I suppose I wouldn't mind so much hunting them myself if they are. What does one do with seal fur other than tie flys with it? (Which I LOVE to do.)

oldbillthundercheif
March 2, 2007, 03:57 PM
Seal are the hardware-stores and fast-food establishments of the far north. I had some seal-sushi with some native folks up in AK once... it was a great honor to be invited to the meal as pickings can be slim up there from time to time. The skins make the warmest jackets you can imagine, the fat is great for cooking and "medicine", the tendons can make a strong rope, the meat and some of the organs are so tastey that you can eat them raw with no problems, and some of the fatty meat makes for an outstanding plate of "seal bacon".

If you get a chance to try some seal, don't let the chance slide past. Just because they are "cute" does not mean they are inedible. Quite the opposite, actually...

EDIT- I think I remember the jackets were actually made of caribou hide. Oh, well... I'm sure seal skin has some sort of clothing use.

redhawk41
March 2, 2007, 08:24 PM
Idaho has a population of over 33,000 wolfs now.Where, praytell, did you get this information?

Art Eatman
March 3, 2007, 09:01 AM
Idaho is right at 84,000 square miles. Figure roughly 100 sq. mi. to support a mature wolf, year around. That would max out at around 840 wolves...

I've obviously ignored unsuitable habitat, developed areas, lakes, etc. :)

Art

rem33
March 3, 2007, 10:03 AM
Numbers I have read are more like 1200 to 1500 in the three states. Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Word is they have spread farther across the Snake River into Oregon But to my knowledge that hasn't been substantiated at least not in the newspapers. But then I have seen at least two flocks of wild turkeys were they aren't suppose to be on F&G maps.

Approximately 60 wolves were released with a target amount of around 300. We are way above the target amount and the fight is on to delist and let hunters have tags. Hopefully later this year but more likely next.

IMO more likely even farther out as the lawsuits are gonna fly over this for sure.

According to Fish and Game in some areas the elk calf survival rate is only 5 or 10%, F&G is blaming the wolf. Something needs be done before the damage to game herds is to extensive.

FirstFreedom
March 3, 2007, 11:50 AM
Figure roughly 100 sq. mi. to support a mature wolf, year around

Where did you get that key premise in your statement, Art? I should think, just off the top of my non-scientist head, that an entire mature pack of (7-10) wolves could be supported by 20-50 square miles......

Let's see....there are 3 thriving packs in Yellowstone, and Yellowstone is 3468 sq. miles. Hmmm, that is over 1,000 sq. miles per pack, and if a pack is 10 wolves, about 100 sq. miles per wolf - so looks like you are right after all - still, is there a source/link to that fact?

rem33
March 4, 2007, 04:13 PM
Wolf population in Idaho is somewhere in the 800's, if what I read is correct. No where am I hearing that the packs are no longer expanding, instead information seems to be the opposite.. But then a local joke is.

If you were to take all the mountains in Idaho and flatten it out we'd be as big as Texas.

Does this mean we can support more than 840? I sure hope not because that is right about where we are as I write this, and elk herds are already suffering.

XD Gunner
March 4, 2007, 08:39 PM
I don't hunt anything I don't eat...my list of animals I do hunt, is fairly small then...

whitetails, rabbits, and squirrels...

I will shoot a Coyote if I see one on my land simply because they are pests in my area, I do not consider it hunting...

superfast61821
March 4, 2007, 09:37 PM
I usually don't kill that which i don't eat. And I have eatten a lot of game and non game animals. So in a way there probably is'nt to much i wouldn't hunt given the opertunity however i am iffy on the Prarie dog stuff. I love watching the videos of exploding dogs however after a while... it's kinda repulsive but still entertaining. My votes still out i guess.

prime8
March 4, 2007, 10:46 PM
Only cuz my daughter would never forgive me....... Then again, If its a 10 point uni.......... lol

http://www.thejump.net/4huntphoto/trophy4.htm

Paul B.
March 5, 2007, 06:21 PM
Rem33 said, "According to Fish and Game in some areas the elk calf survival rate is only 5 or 10%, F&G is blaming the wolf. Something needs be done before the damage to game herds is to extensive."

You are absolutely right. Once the game herds are sufficiently decimated by wolf pack, the ecofreaks can nos state thatw e do not need hunters to keep game herd in check, so let's outlaw hunting. Once that happens, the anti-gun people will say, that since there is no hunting allowed, you don't need to own guns. Turn them all in.
While that may sound a bit far out. Many of those ecofreaks are already breaking laws in the name of animals. Animal Liberation front for example.As long as the wolf stays on a protected list, out hunting rights will go right down the crapped. They are vocal. They are loud, They have the money and they won't be stopped as long as we who hunt are kept divided.
To be perfectly blunt, we as gun owners and hunter had better get out heads out of our arses and join up to fight those who would take our avocation away from us. Join the NRA, GOA JPFO or whatever organiztion floats your boat. Join and all work together to put those who would deprive us if our right to keep and bear arms. Because when it come to where the rubber meets the pavement, the Second Amendment ain't about hunting. If they can lower the game population to where hunting is no longer allowed, how long do you think they will wait to collect all the guns? Sen. Feinstein has alrady stated that if she's have had the vote, we'd be turning them in.

What animal would I never want to hunt? I don't know. Never gave it much thought until now. Probably the great bears. I figure they're probably not all that good eating. I don't go out of my way to shoot trophy deer either. Probably way too tough to chew, and anyway I'm not into an ego trip on getting some poor critter into a "book". I'm that nemesis of the trophy hunter. I hunt to eat meat that hasn't been bastardized by greedy folks who own feedlots and pollute the meat with chemicals and hormones.
Just a thought to ponder. They say we have an epidemic of obesity in this country. Could it be that the chemicals they feed the animals in the feedlots don't cook out when we cook these animals? Could that be a main cause of the obesity?
OK. I apologize for getting off thread. It just seems to all run together.
Paul B.

Tadpole Starr
March 6, 2007, 11:21 PM
I consider the number of lives per meal, and draw a line with pigs being the smallest.

Don't have a problem with anyone else shooting small game though. It is a wonderful sport done right.

Art Eatman
March 7, 2007, 10:06 AM
FF, sort of a half-educated guess from what folks have said about mountain lion behavior and needs. Sort of a "so many pounds per day, average; there are just so many animals per unit area as prey, etc., etc."

The wildlife biologists guesstimate that it takes in the neighborhood of some 25 square miles of this Chihuahuan Desert to support a pair of mountain lions. Well, that sure varies, given how many there actually are around here on an occasional basis. But, long term average, it seems pretty reasonable.

It's a bit difficult to be really accurate in this sort of thing when predators are as highly mobile as cougars or wolves. If they deplete the food supply, they move on. The exit means a recovery of prey species; predators return.

There is more "seems like" than there is numerical exactitude. :)

Art

Taurus_9mm
March 7, 2007, 10:36 AM
If I'm not going to eat it then I'm not going to hunt it. :)

biglabsrule
March 7, 2007, 11:19 AM
feral cats ~ don't have the heart to shoot them down... (not a big problem here anyways to If I see a wild one I say, good luck surviving the winter..upstate NY)

I feel bad shooting squirls, I just read a local article telling of a groop of hunters organizing agains gray squirls.
Said that they needed to be greatly reduced in numbers, that gray squirls mimic deer to closely and ruin hunting, I find it to be the opposite. If I'm sitting in a tree stand for 6 hours I love to watch the gray squirls digging in the leaves while waiting for a deer to move through. I love animals and only kill one if it's getting under the floor boards or am going to eat 'em up..

Clayfish
March 7, 2007, 11:20 AM
I've never wanted to hunt goldfish. It's just not sporting.

rrj731
March 7, 2007, 07:48 PM
I don't mind shooting cats one bit! In my mind they are vermin and where I live they are everywhrere. I don't think I would shoot a bear or elephant, any kind of horse, or a geraffe- spelling? No canned hunts for me either

EJJR
March 12, 2007, 12:17 PM
I don't hunt.

It's not that I have a moral objection to it; (as in hunting for sustinance.) I just don't have the heart for it. Though if it was a matter of survival I would do what I had to and hunt whatever was in the region.

Sport/Trophy hunting; I don't comprehend it. A more apt term would be sport sniping IMO.

Unless it was done on a level playing field; where the hunted can just as well turn into the hunter. Now that would be sport hunting. :eek:

Charshooter
March 14, 2007, 02:51 AM
This is a great post, very interesting. I have hunted lots of bears, all kinds, but something happened to me about fifteen years ago, I killed a little cinnamon bear, less than 200 pounds and a sick feeling came over me. I have not shot a black bear since, not saying I never will, but it is not likely. Wolves are another touchy subject for me, my wife had a wolfdog and it was the smartest dog I ever seen and I have been around German Shepherds, so that is saying something.

As to Feral Dogs and feral cats are ferocious predators

I fully agree, they are perhaps the worst pests and feral dogs will not fear humans and might attack even if not provoked. I will shot feral dogs without a second thought!

So bears and wolves are animals I'm least likely to hunt. Mountain lions and bobcats I hunt, but I won't go out of my way to hunt them. I guess I do identify with some predators.

I will shoot skunks if they come around my place and I still call coyotes and have no problem hunting them, so that is some contradiction.

As to possums, I have hunted them and ate them!

As to using dogs, I have used them to hunt hogs and think it is the best way to hog hunt, good dogs and a 44 magnum revolver!

Kreyzhorse
March 15, 2007, 06:34 PM
Zebra. I've heard they are tough and mean, but to me, they are a painted horse with a punk hair style. Just doesn't do it for me.

arizona hunter
March 16, 2007, 03:18 PM
Elephant, Rhino, snakes.

Silvanus
March 16, 2007, 04:31 PM
I have a rather stupid question, but this thread made me curious...Do you not eat coyotes, wolves, bears, etc. because they taste bad or why are they considered inedible?
I'm not into hunting (yet), but I guess I couldn't kill anything I would not be able to eat afterwards. I don't like the idea of hunting, only for the sake of killing something.

chemist308
March 16, 2007, 06:19 PM
I'll hunt anything but pets. Pet owners tend to get a little upset when you shoot their dogs. Now hunting pet owners is another story, albeit I hear the meat isn't very good, and it's considered poaching anyway... :D

Rangefinder
March 16, 2007, 06:36 PM
Never been real big on the notion of hunting another predator--be it bear, cat, whatever. I like prey animals because they're real tasty and there tends to be lots of 'em. Bear IS tasty if cooked right, but I guess it's kind of a primal respect for a fellow predator type of thing. In the right situation--such as them looking at me as prey--well, that would be more like "BANG! B-b-b-b-bang! OK, now I gotta find a few good recipes..."

Garand Guy
March 16, 2007, 09:32 PM
You want a completely stupid answer? Well, mine probably is. I don't have ANY desire for a buck with a HUGE rack. Please let me explain:


I wouldn't call it a stupid answer. Here's another thought on any animal with a huge rack: You can't eat the horns!

USNairman
March 17, 2007, 10:05 AM
A skunk:barf:

cuate
March 17, 2007, 06:14 PM
Skunks, Polecats, Civit Cats or any of those Two toned kittys with a fluid drive !!!!!

aaalaska
March 17, 2007, 06:38 PM
Silvanus, coyote , wolf dogs as such are not eaten in this country but in much of the world are on the menu, as for bear bb in the freezer now as long as they haven't been in the fish bears are good eating even had one customer that said his family prefered bear over moose & cabibou

Silvanus
March 19, 2007, 05:13 PM
Thanks for your reply aaalaska:)

Benonymous
March 24, 2007, 08:14 PM
I would never get on a plane, fly to another country (Africa maybe) and shoot animals there. It's obvious from the word go that its pure killing and has nothing to do with real hunting. Hunting is part of survival.

I read a story about a guy who was traveling the Northwest Passage by kayak. Amongst his anecdotes theres one about a guy he saw being towed behind a snowmobile in an insulated sled. He was a massively overweight "hunter". The Inuit who was his guide simply towed him into the vicinity of a bear, he raised his rifle and shot it. As it wasn't his first bear, he left the carcass to rot. When questioned on this method of "hunting" the man admitted that there wasn't much sport in it but it was how he spent his vacation and so that was that :mad: so a bear dies for absolutely nothing other than for this guy to get his kicks and have a brag at the water cooler when he goes back to his office job.

I live in Australia and I never shoot native animals. If I want to eat Kangaroo (which is superb lean meat) I go to the supermarket and buy some. Ferals are a different story. All fair game as far as I'm concerned, and feral cats, you can't kill enough of 'em!

Art Eatman
March 24, 2007, 11:02 PM
"I would never get on a plane, fly to another country (Africa maybe) and shoot animals there. It's obvious from the word go that its pure killing and has nothing to do with real hunting. Hunting is part of survival."

According to the facts, that survival requires some serious hunting:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221076

When you say "real hunting", just what do you mean? As best I can tell from your own words, you apparently have a far more restrictive view than a whole bunch of other people--me included. Your right to have an opinion, of course, but I'd like to know more about your basis for your view.

Most of us here think of hunting in terms of free-ranging animals which may be difficult to find and which may not at all be cooperative. And we do have those who find it challenging to hunt animals which might also be hunting you.

Your example of the polar bear shooter and the Inuit is poorly chosen, insofar as what any of us here would consider to be hunting. And what's not at all condoned here is wasting the results of a fair-chase kill.

Art

multistage
March 24, 2007, 11:22 PM
Rhino. I don't think I could live with myself. I suppose elephant as well. Heck, I swerve out of my way on the interstate to avoid hitting jackrabbits out here in Wyoming. On the other hand, when I hunt, it's for real.

Maser
March 25, 2007, 12:24 AM
I would have to say all big game that requires you to get up early in the cold of morning. I went elk hunting once as a kid and I HATED it. I'm a huge baby when it comes to cold weather. :rolleyes:

Rangefinder
March 25, 2007, 01:07 AM
multistage>> Don't blame you! With the amount of damage I've seen a jackrabbit do to a new car, you'd swear it was the size of an elephant or a rhino! :D

rem33
March 25, 2007, 10:45 AM
I would never get on a plane, fly to another country (Africa maybe) and shoot animals there. It's obvious from the word go that its pure killing and has nothing to do with real hunting. Hunting is part of survival.

Your obviously not a hunter and I have no idea where to begin to even try and explain. We see the world thru very different eyes.

Don't blame you! With the amount of damage I've seen a jackrabbit do to a new car, you'd swear it was the size of an elephant or a rhino

Man oh man, have cars changed. When I was young I have seen guys aim at em at freeway speeds with no worry of damage.
In the late 60's us young guys and girls at times, would hit the boonies ( in the dirt) at night in dune buggies or cars and try to run down rabbits. It was a very rare occasion to get one but we sure had hours of laughing fun trying.

Rangefinder
March 25, 2007, 11:03 AM
Man oh man, have cars changed.
You can say that again... Once upon a time you could hit a deer and say "awe man, now I gotta replace a headlight--but I bet the backstraps are still good." Now the fix goes more like my grandfather once said... " Get out, unscrew the radiator cap, and put a new car under it, because that's about the only thing that might be left of the front-end."

mindwip
March 25, 2007, 05:27 PM
I could never hunt for "fun"/sport. I have no problem hunting for food, or to control a population that has grown to big and of course self defense.

Wolfs and dogs would be hard for me. Theres to few wolfs, and dogs along with wolfs are just too cute.

ojibweindian
March 25, 2007, 06:05 PM
If I'm hungry enough, I'll kill pretty much anything on all fours that's edible. Even 'possum.

Fortunately, I've yet to be that hungry.

Benonymous
March 28, 2007, 09:25 PM
What I am driving at Art, is that there is a use for hunting and that is to gather food. That is the primary use of hunting. My Mother always said "Don't kill anything you don't intend to eat" which I think is a good moral position. I have shot things I didn't eat ,ferals . There is a desperate problem in this country with feral animals cats, pigs, Rusa deer, rabbits and a host of others that while I sit here typing are multiplying and damaging the native species and environment. I have no qualms about dispatching these animals humanely (Rusa deer are good eating fortunately). So even if you call it a fair contest, stalking and killing an animal, if you do it just for that purpose ie. sport then you and I have very different opinions on what "real" hunting is. Ultimately killing animals for sport is a waste of resources. If the animal just sits and rots, even if a trophy is taken, it's still a waste in my opinion. I chose the bear hunter anecdote to illustrate waste. I was also disgusted with the "hunters" attitude. I have no argument with the concept that there is something attractive in the concept of the hunt itself, involving an "uncooperative" animal. Hunting is deeply ingrained in the Human psyche but it's a powerful motivation for survival, not sport, that put it there. And yes, it would appear that I have a narrow (focussed?) view of hunting.

Art Eatman
March 29, 2007, 09:40 AM
Okay. We're sorta in two different dictionariess about the word itself. In the U.S., "sport" hunting merely means that the meat is not a survival necessity. Separate from "subsistence" hunting, where one shoots or goes hungry.

I don't guess i've ever known a hunter who merely killed for the "sport", the fun, of killing game animals. And I've hunted with a bunch of different guys, these last forty-some years since I moved back home to Texas. They most likely exist, but they're (IMO) statistically insignificant.

Art

rem33
March 29, 2007, 11:38 AM
Undoubtedly being a young guy from another part of the world you don't understand what is happening here in my part, no more than I do yours.
To begin with "sport hunting" as I understand it includes the meat. Even if a fella wants and shoots a trophy animal the meat is not wasted. In fact it is illegal to waste the carcass or meat. A hunter that purposely does that can pay a large fine and lose his privilege to hunt.
Even in Africa, though I have never been from what I have heard and read nothing is wasted. The local population is thrilled to have the food is my understanding.

I would imagine the article you read was written by a anti-hunter, a PETA type of person and wasn't even true. I have never hunted in the far northern reaches of this continent, above the arctic circle, but if I don't miss my guess to waste the meat is a crime there also.

We had some fellas that killed trophy elk a few years back, using spotlights and only taking the horns, illegal of course. There were fined thousands of dollars, did some time in jail and lost their hunting privileges for a long time if not forever.

FirstFreedom
March 29, 2007, 12:47 PM
I would never get on a plane, fly to another country (Africa maybe) and shoot animals there. It's obvious from the word go that its pure killing and has nothing to do with real hunting. Hunting is part of survival.

I read a story about a guy who was traveling the Northwest Passage by kayak. Amongst his anecdotes theres one about a guy he saw being towed behind a snowmobile in an insulated sled. He was a massively overweight "hunter". The Inuit who was his guide simply towed him into the vicinity of a bear, he raised his rifle and shot it. As it wasn't his first bear, he left the carcass to rot. When questioned on this method of "hunting" the man admitted that there wasn't much sport in it but it was how he spent his vacation and so that was that so a bear dies for absolutely nothing other than for this guy to get his kicks and have a brag at the water cooler when he goes back to his office job.

I live in Australia and I never shoot native animals. If I want to eat Kangaroo (which is superb lean meat) I go to the supermarket and buy some. Ferals are a different story. All fair game as far as I'm concerned, and feral cats, you can't kill enough of 'em!

First and foremost, if "hunting is part of survival", as you say, then why do you shoot feral cats - is that necessary to your survival?

Second, define "real hunting" - what is YOUR exact, precise definition of that phrase, please?

Third, if the slob hunter shot a bear and left it to rot, then he's a scummy unethical hunter - but that has precisely 0.0000000% to do with whether it's ethical to go to Africa and hunt an animal (which involves far more than merely shooting it), where the animals ARE eaten by the nearby villagers, the hunters, the PHs & family & friends.

Address those issues first, benonymous, and then maybe I can try to understand where you're coming from.

I think you vastly misunderstand what hunting is, and what hunters do. In the case of ungulates, Hunters eat the meat, whether it's a trophy or not!, or at least give the meat to hunters for the hungry, or some such group. Actually, ungulates, omnivores, predators, and other groups/species alike, save nuisance animals. To do otherwise is DEFINITELY frowned upon, unethical, and thus quite rare, at least in the United States of America. EXCEPT for the nuisances such as you describe. Of COURSE leaving a non-nuisance animal to rot after shooting is wasteful and unethical, and not considered "hunting" in my book - but WHO DOES THAT? No one I know...thankfully. Whether the animal has a trophy to harvest or not has nothing to do with whether one eats it or not, among the hunters I know - you eat what you shoot, period, except for nuisances, and you even eat some nuisances, like feral pigs.

fisherman66
March 29, 2007, 01:41 PM
I've never wanted to hunt zebra.

jhgreasemonkey
March 29, 2007, 10:09 PM
Probably a monkey.

Benonymous
March 29, 2007, 11:59 PM
Obviously I don't eat feral cats. However, a good friend of mine mounted one as a trophy, good taxidermy on his part.

I have no compunction about shooting ferals and not using the meat but I'd rather shoot something I can eat. I was actually going over a list of feral animals in my head and this is what I came up with. Rusa deer, rabbits, foxes, goats, asian buffalo, cane toads, pigs, wild cattle, wild horses, wild dogs, cats and I have probably overlooked a bunch more. All of these animals are hunted and killed by recreational and professional shooters in Australia. I'm not sure if there's a bounty on all of them, I know there currently is on goats. There's also a limited number of them that you'd consider edible.

As you point out FirstFreedom, I am not up to speed with the laws/rules governing hunting in the US. I was certainly unaware that it was illegal to shoot an animal and not use the carcass. My impression was that, in particular deer hunters were just after "a good rack" and not packing out the carcass after killing the animal. I'm very impressed that such laws exist. I don't believe that any such regulations exist here in Australia.

my attitude to hunting is fairly narrow as has been pointed out. If I bowl a couple of feral cats over I call that "culling" rather than hunting. I guess it comes down to definitions. That said, I still would not go to another country and hunt there. It just doesn't sit right with me. But that's just me.

These are just my opinions, if you don't like them, I have others.:D

deanadell
March 30, 2007, 09:30 AM
Possums

Art Eatman
March 30, 2007, 12:10 PM
Benonymous, if I'm eating the meat from an African antelope and others of my camp are doing the same, what difference does it make if I'm a visiting American or a resident?

As far as the big-rack deel with Bambi, it's pretty much a reasonable assumption that bigger = older = smarter and wilier. Thus, more of a challenge to those hunters who want a challenge in the dictionary sense of "sporting" as fair chase, fair play.

My father phrased it thus: "If you want the biggest buck in the pasture, you have to check out all of them. How else will you know which is biggest? Then, you have to go back and find Old Biggy one more time. Now, big bucks generally only make one mistake a season. If his one mistake was when you first saw him, you have your work cut out for yourself."

One thing about all the antlers I've kept: The memories include the meals as well as the hunts. Backstrap. Inner tenders. Barbecued hams. (Makes me hungry, just yapping about it. :)) Keeping the horns makes those bucks immortal, at least during my lifetime. I can tell you the story behind each set.

I've never been interested in hunting Africa's "big four", but I'm fully aware that a village of natives would hug my neck if I provided them with the meat of a whole elephant. Their daily diets are low in protein. They'd consume a buffalo, as well. So, the "sport" gets his trophy; the locals benefit from a rise in their standard of living. Sounds to me like a good deal for all concerned. Is it not moral to help others improve their lives? :)

But I've never been much interested in hunting bears or meese*. Or going to Africa for other than a few of the plains antelope. Quail and doves, yeah, but little interest--dunno why--in ducks and geese.

Complex subject, ain't it?

Art

* If the plural of goose is geese...

Rangefinder
March 30, 2007, 12:41 PM
Great summary of the "sport" side to things, Art. I like the way you put it.

Dirty_Harry
March 30, 2007, 02:19 PM
I have never wanted to hunt an ant. :rolleyes:

Anything in Africa really, and any of the Big Cats, including Mountain Lion, Jaguar and Tiger.

jhgreasemonkey
March 30, 2007, 04:16 PM
Maby a south american tree sloth. They stink and taste like diarea.

zahnzieh
March 30, 2007, 11:08 PM
ditto on anything from africa! My philosophy is if you cant eat it dont shoot it - I hunt close to home and butcher my animals myself. Show respect for God's critters!:o

Art Eatman
March 31, 2007, 09:37 AM
zahnsieh, SFAIK, everybody here is strongly in favor of the meat of a game animal being consumed, not wasted. Now: Do you, yourself, eat all of your game meat, or do you share with friends or family?

If you share, does it really matter if they're friends or family? Can you happily share with others, as well?

"Close to home" implies at least some amount of travel. What's the practical difference--aside from time and money--between "close to home" and "Africa"?

I've hunted as close to home as the loading chute in the corral behind my ranch house, and travelled about 200 miles to a deer lease. Done both in the same season, if that matters. :)

I guess what I'm curious about is the issue of travel. Why is it an issue? (Insofar as the hunt itself. I'm not interested in the time/money thing.)

Just curious about the "why".

Art

rem33
March 31, 2007, 10:15 AM
Art, I envy your talent of saying the right thing at the right time.
I also would like to know why these fellas feel/think the way they do about hunting.

Glenn Bartley
March 31, 2007, 11:24 AM
Skunks.:eek:

fisherman66
March 31, 2007, 11:36 AM
I'll pop a skunk any day, them egg suckers...

but I wouldn't call that hunting. Maybe "habitat improvement".

jhenry
March 31, 2007, 11:56 AM
I have never wanted to hunt the naked mole rat. They look funny with no fur and buck teeth, there is not much meat on them, they live under ground and eat their own poop.

I would hunt Africa at the drop of a hat and never feel the slightest twinge of guilt. Long live Ruark, Keith, and Capstick and let the natives haul off the meat. It would not be wasted.

FirstFreedom
March 31, 2007, 12:52 PM
mole rat is good eats.

Capt Charlie
March 31, 2007, 08:44 PM
I've hunted as close to home as the loading chute in the corral behind my ranch house...
Here's the only way to do that, Art! ;) :D

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23696&stc=1&d=1175391842

oldbillthundercheif
March 31, 2007, 09:00 PM
Nice!

rem33
March 31, 2007, 09:42 PM
Here's the only way to do that, Art!

Beats any shooting I have ever done. How do you keep the scope from fogging up?:)

Slid the glass slider open one morning at daylight and shot a deer just to do it and say I did. Thats my closest to home. Normally we left the ones near the house alone but I had to do it once.

Art Eatman
April 1, 2007, 11:00 AM
Capt Charlie, that gives a whole new meaning to "Wet work". :D

Art

FirstFreedom
April 1, 2007, 09:39 PM
cap'n c, that pic is awesome! :)

fisherman66
April 1, 2007, 10:08 PM
Beautiful deer stand cap'n. I like the artic camo yer wearin'. You blend right into the steam.

Capt Charlie
April 1, 2007, 11:24 PM
Beautiful deer stand cap'n. I like the artic camo yer wearin'. You blend right into the steam.
Wish I could lay claim to that Fisherman, but that ain't me. You can tell by the bottle of beer. When I'm huntin', the beer comes out after the hunt ;) .

gunsrus
April 2, 2007, 08:45 PM
I don't like to hunt snakes and alligators as well.
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