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gunner16
January 18, 2007, 08:00 PM
What Is A Good Range For Shooting Deer With A .3030 Model 94 Winchester Good For Shooting Deer? Thank You For The Help!!!!!!

stinger
January 18, 2007, 08:04 PM
While it will certainly kill deer at a much longer distance, I think a good rule of thumb is probably about 150 yards. The cartridge is not a flat shooter due to bullet selection. Open sights might limit most shooters to much less than this.

YMMV,

Stinger

gunner16
January 18, 2007, 08:08 PM
How Far Can A .3030 Winchester Shoot Up Too. Thanx For Any Help.

kenneth owens
January 18, 2007, 08:16 PM
how far or how accurate? hmmm,I would say 150 to 175 yrds. I am guessing a lever action? are you shooting groups or hunting deer?

BIGR
January 18, 2007, 08:54 PM
Great brush gun that probably has its limitations, maybe good from 150 to 200 yards but not much more. 30.30 has taken alot of deer and black bear over the years.

Fat White Boy
January 18, 2007, 09:43 PM
I have seen a hog killed at 200 yds with a .30-30. I'm sure that something could be killed at longer ranges but the trajectory will resemble a rainbow much beyond 200 yards....

My .30-30 is a bolt action Savage Model 340 with a 4X scope...

TCman
January 18, 2007, 10:01 PM
look at the new Hornady LEVERevolution ammo.

tube_ee
January 19, 2007, 11:27 AM
That's the real question. The .30-30's inherent range limitations are probably farther than the average hunter should be shooting at game. It's not a 300 yard cartridge, but then, most of us aren't 300 yard shooters, either.

Find the longest distance where you, shooting from field positions, can put the first bullet into the vitals, every tiime. That's your maximum range. I'm betting that a look at a .30-30 ballistics chart will show the cartridge to be quite lethal at that range. if you're a better rifleman than that, then your range is gun-limited. If not, it's you-limited.

--Shannon

Jseime
January 19, 2007, 05:31 PM
The .30-30 should be kept inside your limits of proper shot placement, as should any other round be it .270 or .338 Winchester Magnum.

If you do your part and im sure that youll be able to the .30-30 should be limited to no more than 150 yards to have enough energy left.

Baba Louie
January 19, 2007, 06:40 PM
You've got enough energy to kill a deer with an exact placement of the bullet at 250 - 300yds. Questions you need to ask yourself are: At what range can you place 3 - 5 rounds within an 8" paper plate every time? An 8" paper plate setting 1 1/2 football fields away is a pretty dang small target, isn't it? How close can you get to that deer? Try to get within 50 - 75 yds, never more than 150 if you're a darn good shot.

At 300 yds you're looking at 16" - 20" bullet drop (or sight holdover), 1200 fps - 1300 fps and maybe 650 - 700 ft/lbs of energy... so things are getting marginal in a hurry.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/ballistics/30_30_winchester.html

Close in is a good thing.

roy reali
January 19, 2007, 07:00 PM
At what range does the energy of a .30-30 fall to that of a .22 long rifle at twenty feet?

Art Eatman
January 20, 2007, 09:28 AM
Way, way beyond accurate sighting distance, Roy.

:), Art

roy reali
January 20, 2007, 09:41 AM
Thanks! I was just recalling, as a kid, seeing a .22 long rifle drop a half ton cow.

Maybe some places have really BIG deer.:eek:

gunner16
January 20, 2007, 12:47 PM
Thanks Everone For Your Insight To My Question. :d

Jack O'Conner
January 20, 2007, 12:54 PM
The brush gun myth was shattered once and for all when Hornady introduced their widely accepted leverevoltion ammo. A scoped 30-30 rifle with this ammo is easily capable of 225 yard kill shots.

I've never hunted with this modern ammo. But I've taken many mulies in the Badlands which is semi-open country. Deep canyons, sage dotted prairies and steep buttes are common. Many of my shots were taken at 125 to 175 yards or so using plain Remington core-lockt ammo. None got away.

30-30 is a KEEPER!!

Good hunting to you.
Jack

UniversalFrost
January 20, 2007, 01:21 PM
The new leverevolution ammo is great, but some of my guns just won't shoot it worth a darn. I have tw model 94 winchesters (both 30/30) one a pre and one a post 64 and they love the remington 170gr hollowpoints or the federal 150 gr flat nose fusions. I just couldn't keep groups under 5" at 100 yards with the new leverevolutions. I did how ever have great success out of my marlin 1895 cowboy model in 45/70. They really worked great on that platform.

I gave my leftover 30/30 leverevolutions to a friend who has a marlin 336 in 30/30 and they work great for him.

Personally, I keep my shots with my 30/30's (both with tang peep sights) under 150. The 30/30 is my "brush" or up close round. The hollowpoints are very deadly and plow through the brush up close and have never failed me yet.

taylorce1
January 20, 2007, 10:43 PM
If ammo makers were to advertise a load guaranteed to group within a 10-inch circle at 100 yards, we’d all have a good laugh. However, if the manufacturer guaranteed that the same load would hit the vital zone of a whitetail buck all the way out to 260 yards, without any need to aim high or low or compensate for trajectory in any way, we’d certainly sit up and take notice.

As it so happens, the 260-yard figure used above isn’t for a razzle-dazzle new magnum caliber, but—get this—it’s the PBZ of none other than the old-timer .30-30 with Winchester’s 150-grain Silvertip bullet! But how can that be when we’ve been brought up to believe that the .30-30 is good for about 150 yards max? Check any ballistics chart and you’ll see that when sighted-in at 100 yards, the bullet will land nearly 8 inches low at 200 yards and twice as low at 250. So what’s the catch?

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/shooting/article/0,19912,1121726,00.html

I don't know if I could consistently kill a deer at that range but 150-200 yards could be accomplished with a little work. 150 yards or less if I was going after elk. It took me awhile to find the article again but I thought it was good reading.

trooper3385
January 20, 2007, 11:49 PM
I think the new Leverevalution rounds extend the effective range for the 30-30. They've advertised that they turn a 30-30 into a 300 yd gun. I wouldn't go that far. At least with the standard Marlin 336. Maybe the new Marlins with the 24 in barrel can swing that, but I don't have any experience with those. My Marlin 336 SS shoots about 2 in groups at 100 yds and 4 to 5 in groups at 200 yds with the Hornady Leverevalution rounds. I dropped a 200 lb hog with it this year at 170 yds and my dad dropped a doe at 150 yds with the same gun when he came down to hunt with me. If your gun likes them, they're excellent rounds, but I would be alittle hesitant to take a shot much over 200 yds.

Crosshair
January 21, 2007, 01:37 AM
When it was first introduced it was often used on game past 200 yards. It was very flat shooting for the day compared to black powder guns.

38splfan
January 22, 2007, 01:42 PM
I had a pre-'64 94 Winnie that I recently passed on to my brother as a Christmas present. I picked it up at a pawn shop pretty cheap 'cause she was ugly and they didn't know what they had:D

I found that, with original "buckhorn" style sights, I was limited to 100-150 yards, accurately. 200 yards would keep me in a paper plate, but I guess I'm just picky.

.30-30 is a fantastic round, with a long history of success, which is part of why it's still around, and being chambered in new guns. It has given way of late to the new super-short-belted-mega-big gulp-footlong-hyper-space rounds, but it is still a good, solid performer.

It still takes lots of game every year, and I doubt it will ever go away.